Two months into leasing a 1958 and I am very happy with it. I've always wanted a LC but the previous generation was way too expensive. I know it's a Prado, however I love the way it looks, it's super smooth and quiet, and the mileage is the same as I'm getting with my 2013 Rav4 with the same commute. I'm also okay with the cost, as if you're really looking at what things cost, there are plenty of SUVs that get up near 60k that I wouldn't touch with a 10 foot pole. Plus, it's completely made in Japan (and I really love the cloth seats). Just one guy's opinion as a long-time Toyota customer.
The price is outrageous. It's a 45k vehicle max. The horrible ride, poor quality, limited interior space and awful ground clearance are all hallmark features the TNGA-F platform. They are breaking sales records on legacy products, not these. It's because they still make cars and fuel efficient vehicles, something other brands abandoned.
Love my LC mid trim with the premium package after 2 months of ownership. Paid MSRP and no regrets whatsoever. Sufficient power, getting 23mpg overall. simple and functional interior with physical buttons which I prefer over the GX interior. Worth every penny. The GX is awesome but with 20-30% worse fuel economy, 20-30% higher insurance premiums and 20-30% more expensive service/maintenance, the overall ownership cost still heavily favors the Land Cruiser. Keep in mind the GX overtrail and overtrail+ are the closest comps to the Land Cruiser and the overtrail starts at 69k with less features than the Land Cruiser mid trim premium at 67k.
I grew up idolizing the old LCs, and I'd love to own one of the new ones, but at that price there's the GX 550 as you say. Great video pointing out the differences between the two and the comparable costs. Also commenting to please the gods of the algorithm!
It seems like they were onto something great with this form factor but the GX just makes so much more sense. I'm happy that Toyota still makes both as high quality, body-on-frame offroad boxes! Thank you for feeding the algorithm
@@Realistick 1 of the 2 Toyota dealerships where I live tacks on a $9k USD "market adjustment" to the LCs they get, and people are paying it. GX 550s don't suffer from that adjustment at the Lexus dealership, which makes the choice even easier at least for the time being.
No. The 1958 is the model to get. The GX550 is a LOT more money. And what people are missing here is the 350 extra KG the Landcruiser has. There is a lot of differences from the Forerunner Hybrid. Steel drive shafts instead of aluminium and a lot of other small items that add up to a much stronger machine.
@@charliemcawesome5012 The 1958 does undercut the GX nicely and I think there is a niche market for it, but it also feels incredibly cheap in comparison. I'd feel like I was lying to folks if I recommended it to more than a small subset of Toyota fans. Also, the new 4Runner weight hasn't been specified yet but the previous Limited 4wd is about 90 kg lighter than the hybrid LC.
In Europe we don't have 4runner, so it's easy to select either a Land Cruiser Prado or Lexus GX. Base Prado is around 48K USD with 2.7l naturally aspirated petrol, steel rims, plastic all around. And you can get 2.8 Turbo Diesel from previous generation. But with 4Runner being the most popular in US, Land Cruiser (Prado) seems really redundant and out of place, especially with its starting price. Let's be honest, very few will buy Lexus GX for the off-road use and who really want off-road should prefer 4Runner for it's lower base price and configurability options. So this leads to a question: who's going to buy Land Cruiser?
Nice looking vehicle! Needs the Toyota legendary 3.5L V6 or 4.0L V6 or the 5.7L V8 without hybrid system! Maybe as a second option for who wants a hybrid! $72k here in Ontario, Canada for the cheapest "Base Model" 1958 ... Highest is the "First Edition" trim at $102k (MSRP) Nice vehicle and everything ... No V6 or V8 which really kills the deal! With that price tag, I personally would just look/shop for the Lexus version
Price isn't the issue, the powertrain has no benefit in this platform, Toyota should have used a version of the 2.4 Turbo, tuned for more torque. The hybrid battery pack adds weight and comprises the cargo space.
Id agree that the hybrid is a little underwhelming, I honestly think id prefer the regular 2.4 turbo and a lower price or full insanity with the 3.4 turbo from the GX!
What isn't being talked about with these hybrids is that they are using old Nickel Metal Hydride packs, not the lithium ones being used in the Prius and almost every other modern hybrid. Their lifespan is only 80k-120k miles which means you're looking at a guaranteed $4000 maintenance item every 5-10 years. They will never be worth the minimal fuel savings they offer.
As I said months ago they took a limited 4Runner gave it cloth seats and a turbo 4 and more retro body style and made it more expensive 4Runner limited. Leather seats Full time 4wd 4L V6 5spd Slide down rear window Proper rear wiper 50 grand Landcruiser Cloth seats Full time 4wd Turbo hybrid 4 2.4L Aggressive front styling 8spd Budget Crossover rear wiper and glass Half ass tow bar setup 56 grand What is one getting for the 6 grand premium except image and possibly an inferior product? If one compares it to the SR5 4Runner base then comparison gets just ridiculous 12 grand difference 😅 What a con this is It’s shameful
The LC250 isn’t for everyone. There is always the new 4Runners if price is too much for folks. I don’t mind the price and I think the LC250 is better built than the new 4Runner as it actually has durable bump stops made for off-roading, no gimmicky trim levels, no cumbersome isodynamic seats, overpriced Bluetooth speaker and laptop screen infotainment display and gives you everything in the 1958 for off-roading.
@@JordanMadera you are comparing it to tacomas and the supposed new 4Runner and that is not the point This should be as good as a stripped out Lexus gx460 and it isn’t as it is the new Prado in other markets They had 14yrs to get this right and they didn’t and I am not even talking about the turbo 4 which is probably the least worst part about it That I see these available at dealers says it all I know someone who were in a dealership and they said an older couple were looking at a 1958 and they pointed to the sales guy and said what about the one outside , there was a limited edition landcruiser outside The sales guy said that one isn’t for sale the couple said no that one pointing towards the person telling recounting own vehicle a 4 runner TRD sport 😂
Love this video! Wild, I never thought I’d say this, but it seems like brands like nissan, kia, Hyundai are killing it and not just on interior beauty. The Armada can tow to 9k lbs, kia has pretty interior and i guess hyundai is doing a lovely job. I’ve owned a 4runner, rav4, highlander, moving on after the new wrx runs it’s course lol
I’m so happy I purchased a 23 Lexus GX 460! 💙 the V8 engine. These small hybrid 4 cylinder engines will never out last the aspirated V6 and V8 engines. Toyota should at least offer the same engine that’s in the GX 550!!! Toyota is out of touch with its current generation of customers.
Love mine so far but I agree it is not a good price point and doesn’t make sense for most people. I just really liked the styling and the retro cloth seats lol. The LC is a little torque monster too. Surprisingly quick and at 21mpg avg so far over the first 2000 miles it’s way better than my old 4runner was in every way. I think when people are financing the majority of a vehicles price, a few thousand dollars isn’t going to make much of a difference or be a dealbreaker if they really want something and the land cruiser nameplate and styling is definitely cooler than the new 4runner in my opinion
Feel free to disagree with me on the LC but I'm a big Toyota truck fan. It's been over $50k since the turn of the century. For longer than I can remember, It was priced more like a luxury SUV and it placed an emphasis on quality to justify it. My beef with this new one is that the 4Runner and GX make much stronger arguments for themselves due to the price of the new LC.
No roll down window, cheaped out with the rear window wiper just hanging there instead of tucked under a cover, cloth manual seats, cheap plastics, thinner glass and metal and paint, cheaped out on the head unit, and the bad engineering with the battery location/size. I'm not sure if they are just that stupid or think their potential customers are. Nobody will want a used one if these in 10 years like they will an FJ. Nostalgia only takes you so far
The new land cruisers have nothing in common with the revered older landcruisers except in name. Only time will tell how they will hold through the years.
I agree that the LC was never about value and never really made sense compared to the GX or 4Runner. I did notice in the first segment of the video, the GX550's price was never directly mentioned, and a quick googling shows that the base GX cost about 6-7k more than the base LC. I think there're some people who'd prefer rather get the LC specifically because it doesn't have fancy features that might be considered unreliable or difficult to fix in 10 years, like KDSS, etc.
I put the price in there at the 3 minute mark when I brought up the Lexus interior!🥸The LC could be a good value in 1958 form to people who will never set their gaze on a 4Runner. A niche, but one that I think I should have hit more here outside in the conclusion! Though I do disagree with the notion that LC is more straightforward. Most GX models don’t have KDSS (which used to be in the LC) and they also don’t have a big, expensive battery to worry about either.
@@Realistick base model GX vs mid-LC (at MSRP) is wild. the GX feels like the better value. I think it depends on what people are using them for. with word the 4 turbo hybrid is coming next year to the GX, it should be interesting. my assumption is most of these will still be parking lot queens and conquerors of curbs.
Why doesn’t anyone talk about the new 4Runner being a butt ugly vehicle?? Also the higher trim 4Runners are the better comp and they will undoubtedly be 60k +. Not great considering they look like a remote control RC car which I’m sure will be appealing to teens in 10 years when they can finally afford one
@@cheintz091 Style is the biggest reason to buy the LC (something I talked about in the first minute)! Even if a fully loaded 4Runner TRD OR hits 60k, a Land Cruiser goes past 70k. If the swagger and name is worth 10k, go for it!
The new Land Cruiser will help drive the older ones even higher in price. 👍 The 70 and 80 Series are the last real Cruisers. Not sure what’s going wrong over at Toyota.
The last generation LC was a big bland box that cost $80 k. This one has so much presence in its design and ruggedness appeal. I want one and I’m not really an SUV type of guy
Valid, if you’re sold on the LC style but don’t quite need the Lexus experience, the 1958 will save you money. However, if value is a concern at all, Id argue that the 4Runner is a MUCH better option and the only one of the three that doesn’t recommend premium fuel😎
Admittedly I really like the style, but I just don’t understand this car. If you are going to pay that price why wouldn’t you just get the GX. This just doesn’t look like a 60k car. Toyota does have very good hybrids so I guess we will have to wait and see how long it will last.
I doubt Toyota would bring it here with how saturated their SUV lineup already is. I suppose if they made it slot well below the 4Runner then people would be excited (I'd probably want one too). At the same time, North American Toyota continues to move further and further from making entry level stuff like that :(
People, what the hell is wrong with you? This looks exactly like a Ford escape. There’s nothing retro about it and sure as shit ain’t worth the price that they’re asking.
I’m curious…what SUV’s would you recommend in this segment before this LC? Nothing really comes close in value. This is much more sophisticated & long lasting than a Bronco or Wrangler. This just proves that no matter what, people will find something to complain about. Toyota finally delivers a “base” version, something not available since the early 90’s & this guy complains that it’s not “base” enough 😂 Too expensive? Yeah naw, inflation sucks bad….but you probably voted for it. The 1958 will absolutely be the one I choose.
I think you missed 95% of the video but it’s no biggie! I’d recommend a Toyota 4Runner or Lexus GX550 well before this. The LC is a good vehicle and I think a stripped down LC is a great idea, but not at damn near $60k (hence the thumbnail). Also, Toyota has made a stipped down Cruiser since the 90s, the FJ, and that was cheaper than the 4Runner✌️Take it easy.
I can see everyone’s clearly disappointed. So where’s your “naveens a Toyota hater who owns a Toyota” comment now huh?😆🤣. You guys failed miserably (as usual) to shut me down and prove me wrong. Because it’s you who’s getting schooled on the internet by me. 😂
@@Realistick 😆😂 No one bets 100% yet it ends up being a 100% disappointment Just look at nearly every new model from them. They’re all super underwhelming when compared to rivals
I still think the LC is a nice rugged SUV, just horribly priced and hard to recommend as a result. You already know I disagree with you on the rest of the lineup so I’ll save us the time today😂 Have a nice Tuesday🤟
Another Toyota and lexus owner here and after seeing how subpar are Toyota products I can confirm that no manufacturer is price gouging like Toyota. No value in this Prado.
The last generation LC was a big bland box that cost $80 k. This one has so much presence in its design and ruggedness appeal. I want one and I’m not really an SUV type of guy
