The Cheating Scandal Got Worse 

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We all know the chess drama is the good drama

💀 love your channel by the way, one of the inly that can make me audibly laugh 😂

yo i got ur e4 course its basically another form of cheating

thats the thing on putting the correct title to get the most views after you got a big following, cause alot of channels struggle with that, but lud has played the youtube algo through..... its just so crazy to me how simple but also difficult it is to get the right "name" for your video.....

Homelander is spot on lmaooo

Lmao

yummers

finally some real news

Homelander omfg

yeah when he brought it up, i was surprised to see he didn't mention more how it just SHOULDN'T be as normalized as it is and that this was morally the correct decision from the other try guys in general.

@@nbkarkat cheating isn't a trend you can spread lmao. It's an internal problem that could affect every human on an individual basis. If you truly believe cheating can become a popular trend that people will follow blindly, then maybe it's time to accept that you might be terminally online.

@@returnalnocturnal7729 my point flew over your head, methinks. the point was people have been surrounded by new cheating allegations 24/7 due to the internet and it's lost the true meaning and severity for some due to how frequently the news seems to repeat. not that cheating is like fucking, contagious?

@@nbkarkat it's also a coping mechanism, so many players in CSGO accuse the enemy team of cheating. I rarely agree to their suspicion, maybe 1 in every 20 matches in total. I think it's mostly used to explain their own performance and avoid having to be self-critical. Dynamically adjusting their actions based on the enemy is tough, thinking that they cheat is easy.

@@Rotwold oh i was talking about cheating on other people haha, but yeah i agree with you.

people really get blinded by power, unfortunately.

tbf the point of youtubers playing among us was creating content, the chess stuff was cheating over a money prize.

@complete video here F U man you got me 😂

@@pitythegreat bro don’t click those links they’ll get into your account. U should probably change ur password and shit now lmao Edit: Damn alright boys I get it. I'm wrong lmao, my b.

@@dankmemelord414 they don’t, it’s just to farm view, for some reason copied video links have the weird period

@@jenathica8769 it’s just a url shortener, they’re pretty common for social media sites.

Wait so does that mean they're still going to air the show? Just at the new timezone?

@@Shirley36 first season was only like 6 episodes since thats how it goes to test the water. Sending a show to friday morning is basically a death sentence tho

@@Shirley36 yes, still airing, different time. This definitely killed their chance at getting more episodes, which is extra bad bc breaking off of youtube onto traditional media is huge for a family friendly brand like them, and now that momentum is effectively squandered before they got any roots. This scandal has probably undone years of effort

jesus christ they quite literally slid them under the rug

@@SuperEpicme123 I see, that's unfortunate for the rest of the guys then

Hey when u said coop did u mean corp? I just never heard the term be used in that manner before.

probably also why the guys never said her name in the video and said to be nice definitely covering their asses to see how much people want her gone and if she'll leave

the fact that the bots are gettning self aware is really worrying

@leaked footage "making fun of bots" says the bot

You can NOT get fired for having an cheating on your spouse. But you can for having relations with an employee, which he did

@Yeehaw if she actually does that'd make things triple fucked cause then ned either forced her or she's gonna throw him under the bus after ruining her like 11 year long relationship by fucking him

I legit thought they were all gay but i only saw one buzzfeed video

@@lootmaster1337 i do get that regarding at least half of them tbh

@@lootmaster1337 one is actually gay, guess who is it?

@@sureindubitably3771 who cares?

@@Fwooperr I do?

Oh hey it’s the funni bee vtuber

I don’t think they are. This guys hair is a totally different colour than that of Ludwig’s

@@cdogdeluxe6037 actually ludwig dyed his hair not long before mogul mail did, im pretty sure hes just copying lud for views lmao

nahhh mogul mail did it first, lud is tryna copy him smh

oh hai ivy

Stupid bots. Fred already solved the mystery.

Literally burst out loud laughing at this one. Great joke, Kelley; seems unfair that the only replies so far have been bot scum so figured I'd chime in with a genuine reaction.

@@ShaunCheah Hey I am not a bot and you clearly see my comment.

Lmao! Poor Mogul Mail keeps getting beaten up over his hair

Thought I was the only one lmao I was about to make a comment about this

He might even surpass Big Guy too! Actually, yeah no. That's never happening. Schlatt at best, but not Big Guy

@@StarryxNight5 "Schlatt" and big guy are not on the same level. Big guy is 1000x better than "Schlatt". I don't even know why you mentioned "Schlatt" here.

Is this really journalism or just news aggregation?

@don't be surprised holy fucking shit, how is RU-vid so bad at detecting bots.

The worst was the Buzzfeed article that kept popping in my feeds that slightly hated on the Celtics coach and Adam Lavine who also recently cheated and got caught publicly, then WENT IN on Ned and the Try Guys just trying to bring them down completely. It felt like it was written by a kid who's desperate to impress and knows Buzzfeed management would love to shit on these guys that left and became more successful than Buzzfeed on youtube lol.

@Thank me later holy fuck I wanna die

@The TacoCat this is so dumb

Lmao when he said next cheater after Dream

@i better call ....Thats what a bot would say

Probably even faster than Tom Hanks changing accent in the Live Action Pinocchio

At first it was some attempt at russian or german accent, then it just went to american.

He got mind controlled by hormones

Horny, thought he could get away with it and how it's not a big deal because the sex was consensual... a lot of people just take something even worse to justify it so yeah cool it wasn't r@pe okay cool no big deal then. It really sucks for all the people involved.

Drunk on power

@@ayoCC Nope, they were fully aware the whole time. Stop trying to play this off lmao. "Mind controlled by hormones" is a disgusting way of taking responsibility away from them, and making it seem like it wasn't their fault. It was their full, conscious decision. They are an asshole.

According to Will Neff he was a shitty person back then aswell. Forcing interns to drink their own piss for "content" and forcing Will to film the same day he was in a car accident.

Lmaooooo I cant unsee now stooop

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No stop why did you say this I can't unsee it now lmao

Coldest comment on here HAHAHAHAHA

I CANT UNSEE IT NOW NOOO

Agreed. It was professionally done, but not so much so that it was robotic or off putting because they still showed their emotions

@im sacred fr fr?

Each of them gave off the vibe of a different stage of grief, Eugene was pure anger, Zach was depression and Keith was acceptance

@@liyre4189 when I was watching it I was like “yo holy shit Eugene’s mad” I’d never seen him like that so it was like “damn bro this is real”

Professional, maybe, but still way overdone & overly dramatic. This whole situation is one adult cheating on his partner with another adult who works at the same company...that's it. Yes it makes them both crappy people and they have certainly done a lot of damage to their respective families/partners, and yes it does mean those 2 shouldnt be part of the channel any more, but come on...going back and editing his face out of every past video like he's a murderer or paedophile? I mean did I miss something, did the guy actually beat up this other woman or sexually abuse her? Because if so, I understand why the Try Guys are making a sombre apology video, weeping & acting like someone has died & doing a Total Recall-style erasing of his past work. But as far as I know it's a dude having an affair with a consenting woman, which happens every day. Fire them & get on with your day, dont build it up into something else.

Yes

hype doomed him

tbh I'm not a fan of dream/minecraft but I would genuinely have a crush on him lol

@@chief_mourner and so did his fandom tbh, people hate dreamsmp fans and by extension, dream himself

@@madzie111 true

oh god the bots

@@kal-tsit they get worse each day

This is the clip u all looking for.: *Report spam*

Do we know that for certain or are you reading into it?

I still don't think he cheated over the board unless there is new evidence, a great chess title would be, "Cheater beats the best player, without cheating??."

Fully agree I think he needs to tone it to a more cool toned shade such as an ash-silver blonde. However, it could just be the lighting though, I know warm lighting always makes my bleached hair look so much more yellow than normal

Someone get Brad Mondo stat

He’s said on stream that he does use purple shampoo, but I think the saturation filter lud uses makes it seem brighter

A blue shampoo would probably be a little better, even just in the copper pieces

I also think he should have left the sides brown. With the dark eyebrows it kind of just looks like hes wearing a wig.

Fuck, now I can’t unsee it

@@serax126 Hahaha >:))

hey that aint lud, don't confuse him with Mogul Mail

Uhh... That's not lud mate I know they look the same but that's mogul mail

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Maby hes so ingenious that we cant comprehend the moves he makes because their so complex no human could umdeerstand it, so he cant explain it in human terms

He’s not the best chess player in the world. He never said that and nobody else ever said that. He beat the best player in the world in one game. That’s what they’re saying. Whether he cheated or not idk but the best player in the world (Magnus) doesn’t win 100% of his games

@@KKSportsKKS The chart shows that his strength score has had the biggest improvement within his age range by a fair amount even compared to the likes of Fischer and Carlsen... Can he be both the most prodigious prodigy as well as an avid cheater? yes, is it likely? you tell me.

@@JS-oh2dp fair enough

@@theshabbycommenter even tho he cheated he is clearly one of the best chess players in the world.

There is a universe out there where twitter doesn't exist. Sadly not ours.

How does ranboo not get yelled at on twitter?

mans could have been ryan reynolds and still "he's ugly" would trend

We’re lucky he was a very normal looking white guy, because otherwise the news would probably be talking about all the slurs he’s being called.

@@GrayCatbird1 more than the amount he probably already is?

Yeah I get it, but it's possible to get wrongful termination lawsuits if not done properly

@@turquoisemoon8453 yeah I'm not well versed in laws and I have no idea how it works for a small business and online businesses and shit I'm just talking from a public opinion perspective I guess

If Ned's branding is part of their contract, maybe they can fire him but if not, then I don't think they can. But thankfully, ironically, that isn't the case and the grounds for firing him is valid. The employee though, Alex, is a tough one, so I've read.

If he didnt cheat and his wife didn't eork with their brand.. why would he be fired then? I haven't watched the videos so thats maybe why im confysed by your comment. Was he always a cheater?

@@turquoisemoon8453 I feel like you don’t understand what’s a protected class and what isn’t. You can’t get fired in retaliation for certain protected activities (cheating on your wife is not protected), or if you’re part of a protected class and prove that you were fired for being a member of this class. The united states still has at-will employment, and they could simply state that he’s no longer fulfilling his duties or able to fulfill his duties (for example, even if he wasn’t cheating with an employee, he undoubtably would have taken some time away from social media to “focus on family” and therefore wouldn’t be producing content and interacting with fans per his duties)

Well its more of the idea of like Ive never cheated in the classroom but ive cheated on online tests because I dont think id get caught.

@@free3793 so you’re saying he would cheat if he could? Man you convinced me lmao.

@@sleepisthecousinofdeath7395 Yea probably tho I dont even understand how people can cheat over the board in gm tourneys like that

@@free3793 anal fish

@@free3793 Even if he was just given a sign for a single turn or two that is a significant edge, its not hard to imagine someone in the crowd give him outside information like this

I think it needs a little purple shampoo but that’s it

I think the main thing ppl were saying (at least from what I saw in chat and the comments) is that it's a little yellow, which it is, admittedly. But he said earlier on stream today that he was gonna do another round of toner and purple shampoo, so I think it's gonna look great after that! :) But yeah, hopefully ppl will stop being so mean about it!

Bro have been alive? Your lucky to get good news anymore

thats life, I would recommend giving news a break, good news is hardly popularized anyway but good stuff happens all the time, bad stuff too, it is what it is

Bad news brings in views, people like drama that doesn't involve them. Good news is out there you have to find it

welcome to the news business pal

I got a PS5 for my birthday today. I hope that's good enought :)

Man knew his angle lol

Dream looked in the camera and said "This angle is the one," and stuck with it throughout the whole video.

Why are u talking about this lud guy in a mogul mail video?

@@dalog9194 Don't you know mogul mail's real name is also ludwig? More evidence they could be the same person

@@pwilll really? Damn that's a crazy coincidence...

This, now that he is known for being a proven cheater and liar at the time something Magnus did that seemed odd or even a bit childish makes it make a lot more sense. I think people backed the wrong horse trusting Nieman at his word.

@@PedroAce Man, people calling Magnus childish really gotta apologize to him now that it's proven

Interesting. Magnus is a pretty level headed dude so that could make sense.

Fide is also investigating, I think?

There’s no evidence on him cheating in the game against Magnus, that’s the thing. Nothing found when they checked him, nothing strange about the moves. But what they think is suspicious is that he’s cheated before, which is what they’re looking into. In concrete terms though that means nothing regarding if he cheated against Magnus.

@@Decrupt I thought I read that the moves matched up with what a computer would do. And that Hans mentioned that he studied Magnus' previous matches, but it was found that Magnus had only done the same setup once in his career. I could be wrong.

Wtf are you talking about, there is no link between mogul mail and that copy cat

You have no proof that Ludwig and Mogul Mail are the same person

Nah, people are unreasonable about it. Of course he should be fired for it. Though, I remember this lily and albert cheating incident. Basically kids having a relationship and there's cheating. Everyone was just insanely up in arms about it , when it didn't even concern them, and it really wasn't a huge deal (They were not married, did not have kids, and their relationship had only lasted 2 years). It'd be dumb to him in that offline tv group, obviously, but the amount of hate and bullshit was way over done.

LMAO

Zach was sad. Keith was disappointed. I could feel Eugene's rage through the screen. It feel so horrible to watch them deal with it in real time.

my friend i think you've gotten too parasocial toward them if you wanna cry endlessly over something like this

Idk if this is satirical. Language feels satirical and not like what a real fan will writr

@@EspeonMistress00 I Hope it’s satirical lol and someone random they don’t know actually having the feels that way

a digital rectal exam would be fine for this case, whereas you’d need to be sedated for a colonoscopy (idk how a bead in your bowels would even work)

@@whatitdobaby5155 vibrations

@@Elijah-eg1xt the large amount of nerve endings of the rectum is why anal beads even exist in the first place, it's much more sensitive

It's also REALLY hard to believe the data shows him being THAT MUCH better than literally the #1 Sure it's not impossible, but it's so improbable especially when he has already been caught cheating.

He's already been caught cheating. Admitting it to the public is the better decision before it would've been dug up, thus making him look more guilty.

Maybe Magnus man just lost cuz he had a bad game and is salty af about it. If ur gonna take him at his word without evidence youre actually braindamaged. Lets see in what way he cheated (if he did) in his last face to face game against Magnus that set this whole shit of and than decide.

He didn't admit to just two times in the interview, I don't know why that keeps getting repeated. He said he cheated when he was 16 to improve his rating, do you really think that meant a single game?

@@Rakkoonn he also said he's never cheated on stream, which is a lie

I mean he has a major in journalism lol

The opposite of Hasan lol

Who is lud

Why are you talking about lud? Lud was not mentioned at all in this video

@@angelaaubreyvillanue he meant the guy in the video, Johnny bravo

No, they banned him before that interview - that's why Niemann brought it up.

Yeah and honestly I think they are covering their backs. His past being made public, it’s bull that he was ever allowed to be back in their tournaments to begin with… the only reason he was is because he was a public face… I think they revoked it because it probably shouldn’t have happened in the first place… they knew how much he cheated before but made an exception they probably shouldn’t have

@@aidenroy2569 They were lenient because he was a child and they obviously treated it differently to if a grown adult GM who is mature enough and can separate right from wrong did the same thing. Everyone's done something extremely stupid when they were young. They showed goodwill to Hans hoping he would reform but he took advantage of that. Nobody deserves to be chastised for their entire lives for a mistake they made in the past as a kid. Now if they don't learn a lesson from that and go on to repeat the misdemeanor like Hans did, only then should they be dealt with in a severe manner and be handed a more lasting punishment. My point is basically that everyone should have a second chance to right their wrongs. However if they do the opposite and repeat their misdeed the hammer will come down on them harder.

@@areebsiddiqui758 sure except he was 17 cheating repeatedly including games with cash prizes… I understand the leniency for a kid especially when he was 12-16 but once he showed repeated games in tournaments with cash prizes he should have been permanently removed from tournaments… not saying from the site all together or anything, or from otb but a repeat offender cheater online shouldn’t be in tournaments where it’s incredibly easy to cheat

@@areebsiddiqui758 I’m not saying he shouldn’t have the chance to write his wrongs, but that chance doesn’t have to be in cash game prizes that hundreds of people are playing for many studying daily for him to piss on that and cheat repeatedly in the past

I'd be curious how they detect "likely cheating". Perfect or near-perfect moves? If so then I'd imagine most of Magnus' games would get flagged for potential cheating. If it were you or me making these moves 100% it'd be cheating but these are some of the best of the best. Not saying he 100% did or didn't do it, but I look at these things skeptically until they make sense to me.

​@@Haruka_May I agree. More evidence is needed to determine either or. It's very difficult to cheat during an in-person match, especially one that is recorded and heavily scrutinized in real time. Chess officials even use metal detectors to check for prohibited devices before games. I don't see them missing any devices that would be on either players. So, I'm leaning more towards that Hans didn't cheat. But again, like you said, we can't be 100% sure without more evidence.

@@Haruka_May From statistics, even Magnus only had like 2 games with 100% accuracy since 2020. While Hans had like 10 of such games in the same time period. And cmiiw, I think they detected it with things like statistical anomalies, engine accuracy, time spent on a move, behavior on critical move, and also analysis by chess experts.

@@phoebea Yeah, it's just circumstansial evidence so far. Unless you caught them in the acts cheating, we can't really prove it for certain. But his behavior and also admission is giving people reasonable suspicions.

@@Haruka_May The measure of score being used is stockfish or similar, chess engines with ~4000+ elo, when the highest ever achieved by a human (magnus) is 3000; playing a perfectly matching game to one is insane if it lasted a significant amount of moves. So no, Magnus' games aren't "near perfect", and truthfully solving Chess is literally physically impossible so even the bots scoring isn't "perfect" its just way better then anything else.

Oh yeahhhh I forgot about that ! True good for him

Truuue 😅

dang it stole my comment before I could get to it lol

Me too. I fully forgot

facts loving both of their videos on all the drama going on

You're right! I thought he looked familiar 🤔