Huge Linus Tech Tips Drama 

Agree, harassing might even make the situation worse behind closed doors

hi feller like your stuff

:D

hi luddy ♥

Okay

who??

Charlie owns Star forge systems in partnership with otk I believe

So no nepotism? Good. 😎

​@@arkain1that's not what nepotism means but you do you 👍

@@arkain1bro doesn’t know what nepotism is

Hence why it's probably best not to base your opinion on a product off of one review alone and gather multiple sources.

@mariyastoyanova31 moot point since I wasn't speaking on forming an opinion, merely referencing the information as a metric for discussion/comparison.

@@commanderjericho My bad, since the main example were the mouse feet protectors, I thought it was in that realm of their content. Even so, still not a bad idea to cross reference performance stats from different channels.

@mariyastoyanova31 yeah I'll definitely be doing that from now on.

Yep, this completely ruined the trust in all of their reviews.

isnt ludwig dead?

@@warmech0964thats what they tell you

nah it’s joe bartolozzi

it's the same person, mogul killed ludwig a while back

makes sense why ludwig suddenly also had a shaved head

here before this blows up

agreed

this has blows ip

these comments are getting reallllly old ngl

Please stop

Capitalist sigma grindset man. He has a commitment to all his fans to get videos out because all over the world people tun in and depend on him man. What are they gonna do if a video doesn't come out? Watch Big Bang Theory? Actually they could do that and it would be just as worthy of their time IMO

it is really just greedy mindset or rather as doclime said Capitalist mindset that most people have just produce produce produce money more more ore and quality goes out of windows

Because he should be responsible and prioritize quality vs just making videos pulled out of his behind, people make purchasing decision based on his reviews

💀

Also ludwig forgot to mention that Linus/LTT told the company two times they were gonna give back the prototype, but they never did and auctioned insteed.

@@hos3886 it was monetized on release, they changed that pretty quickly tho.

​@@hos3886it wasn't sponsored, but it was initially monetised with AdSense. They turned it off after feedback tho

​@@hos3886no they joked about it being sponsored but it was initially monetized

I think it's cause to him, LMG is still him and he is LMG. Guy built his empire from the ground up and is hella invested in its success. Bad way to run a business but it happens

I mean tbh if I created something and someone was trashing in any way or negative reviewing it I would be pissed about and take it personal. I think most people might. Hell some people might just take this Comment personal.

Well its expected since he founded LMG, its akin to a parent being told that their child sucks with reasons why.

Some reason? Gosh. I hope we figure it out. I mean, it's not like the business he built from 0 has his name on it or anything.

Linus need to hear Luke more often. Sometimes Luke try to prevent Linus doing/saying something bad but Linus failed to noticed it

You're so right! I'm a voice over actor, who wanted like many others to record from home because of the Covid. I quickly realised that I had a lot of things to learn, including the gears. And guess what? If you possess some analytics skills, you realize about all the idiocies that they all repeat because they all copy each others. I came to believe that their main source of income is to resale all the products they receive 🙄

@@LeSaff😂 voice over actor 😂

@@dirkdiggler9379 what is so funny? please share...

@@dirkdiggler9379 ewwww ur gross lmao

Reviews can act as ads but they rarely are intended to be. If you're looking for a new gpu, you watch reviews to make an informed decision. If you're being influenced by a review to buy something you were never interested in buying... I think you're the idiot then

The irony…

@@PerfectSense77what irony? He genuinely seems like a pretty chill guy based on his RU-vid persona. Doesn't mean we know he is. We don't lmao. But it's a fair assumption I'd say

It’s the opposite for me lol. I just want lud to shut up more every time he has a bad take

​@@thesnowman2509what was his bad take in this one?

@@thesnowman2509 then stop watching his mogul mails? Sounds like your creating your own problem

I think that's the solution to the problem he raised that he "doesn't know the solution to yet". give offbrand to the employees. He said it himself, a normal company doesn't need a ceo.

@@pedrogarcia8706it’s not even that a company doesn’t need a ceo, but at the very least the ceo and other leaders should be chosen by the employees

@@Ry_TSG at the very least. But honestly it's not needed. The people who make the company run know how to run it.

@@pedrogarcia8706 I think you may guys may be mixing up owners and CEOs. An owner doesn't actually need to do anything, they can just sit back and get returns (although often they do get involved). A CEO is a paid employee that manages some aspect of the company. The employees can jointly own the company, but they don't have to run it like a democracy - in many cases it's still better to have an experienced CEO making big picture strategic decisions so that employees can focus on performing in their roles.

@@deantan7538 I don't think a company needs either.

alienware prebuilt 💀

his partner in business literally co owns a pc building company 😂

Isn't he the same person who said something along the lines of "I don't care if I promotes gambling or p*rn to kids as long as it makes me money"

@@jellytwins1018yeah

​@@jellytwins1018fr? When and where?

this is mogul mail thoigh

@@jellytwins1018 wait where did he say that ???

This isn't Ludwig it's mogul mail

​@@HearMeLearnthis is ludwig

@@calculatormaster There is no way they are the same person they were in the same room

@@Dargon8959 trust Me it's ludwig not his clone

I went to a high school in northern England a poor area - everyone had this haircut

True

Billet needs to bear their own share of responsibility for what happened. LMG screwed some things up, but Billet also didn't take care to communicate their expectations clearly or take measures to ensure their investment was protected if it was so important to them as they claim. For example, they told LMG at one point "you can try it on a 4090," which is what they did in the video, and then got upset that they tested it on a 4090 and the numbers didn't turn out great. Then when LMG tried to send it back to them they told them "you can keep it," and then seemingly changed their minds after LMG put it up for charity auction because LMG didn't have any use for it. The ideas that the company was stalled because they no longer had their prototype (which Billet claimed was the case), or that the block could end up in the hands of competitors which could somehow reveal some kind of trade secrets (which I believe was purely speculation on Gamers Nexus' part), don't seem to fit with their treatment of the transaction on the whole. The fact that they've been so happy to be the center of a pity party in the wake of people finding out about LMG's mishandlings and process errors while they themselves have been about as sloppy as LMG is pretty questionable. If they're going to take part in scrutinizing LMG so closely they ought to take a look at themselves and their own methodologies as well because they either screwed up with something important or they're not quite being honest.

​@perfecthumaninterface I dunno man... sounds like a lot defending LTT. You come off as a butt hurt fanboy, but I could be wrong. I actually agree that Billet could have done better at communicating... but holy shit did Linus handle that entire situation wrong. I don't think GN came off as all high and mighty like you're portraying. I'm a bigger fan of LTT than I am of GN, but GN doesn't come across nearly as pompous as LTT. I wonder if you even watched the full GN video because they didn't make it just to harp on mistakes that GN makes too. GN admits their own faults as well, the difference is in how they handle the mistake. LTT won't reshoot things, they'll leave a pinned (or even sometimes unpinned) comment to address a major issue in the video, or sometimes you might get "lucky" and get an annotation during the video. You can't be doing that kinda stuff when your brand is "we're better than the other guys because of how vigorously we test things." LTT already acted like that, but to say it out loud, essentially calling someone out by name in a video is insane. The bottom line is that LTT has been getting worse and worse over the years with Linus being a massive reason why. I used to enjoy his channel a lot, but as he has grown in popularity he comes off more and more as a self righteous prick. Not to mention how rushed the videos feel these days as well. I'm amazed at how unprepared they are when doing some of these projects and then half assing to boot. I think it's taken a very obvious toll on everyone who works there.

@@mitakemiyao No shifting of blame required. LMG made all the mistakes that they did. Billet making their own mistakes has no bearing on that.

@@mitakemiyao I never argued what Billet said, so not sure why you're directing it at me? I'm not attacking Billet, it's just a fact of working in business where stuff easily gets miscommunicated/misunderstood. I'm not defending LTT for their actions... because regardless of there being some hiccups in communication, they still handled the entire situation poorly.

Really what additional information was provided to you in this video that wasn't available 12 days ago when he made the original video except you know the self promotion at the end?

@@Hanclok he made it concise without us having to keep up with drama at all through Twitter and other sites, he also gave his two cents as an observer and if he were to make it as the drama just started, he will be inaccurate and come off as an ignorant individual. Having all the context of a situation is a must, it's part of the critical thinking. It may have seemed that he only plugged his team, but at the start, he gave his two cents as a business owner on what Linus said about companies.

The sad thing is somebody need to report/publish this event. Imo the correct thing is just telling the "meat" and not adding any "spice" (read: comment) on top of it.

He literally used to do what you described, until a coulpe of months ago. Am I the only one remembering how both him and Charlie jumped on the Mizkif's stuff last year?

@@42isTh3Answ3rI think he recognized that that’s why he’s uploading less here like he mentioned. To have more context before jumping on the issue.

*Proceeds to absolutely cancel Ludwig and destroy his career*

LOL

@@Motowadcancel? How could he be cancelled for using an alienware

agreed

That's what I was thinking too. It could really show that employee ownership not only works, but works better than the other alternatives. I could really see Offbrand be a progressive business of the future.

I lowkey would like to join as a gamedev for offbrand

I thought this was Mogul Mail, not Ludwin

​@@WanderTheNomadcrossover

Hasan, and several other content creators, already do it. There's no magic formula, give your cooperative effort a % split of revenue. Can haggle over the %s, but the foundation is well established.

@@JStack how does hasan do it? I thought he just has free lance employees

​@@ayushdhar he pays them a significant cut, either allowing them to choose their own percentage (iirc he does this with merch?), take home all the profits (like his yt editors), or splitting equally (like the podcast)

@@ryanstardust_ that is not a co op. The whole point of a co op is that workers have a say in how the company as a whole is run. It's not just the percentage of revenue shared

To be fair though looking back at the original comment I didn't realize that op also doesn't get what a co op is 🤣

Exactly

Particularly in business. You can get away with a lot of shady shit, but as soon as you invoke the name of another it's open season on calling that shit out.

No wonder that guy who started this got fired.

@did he really get fired?

@@raynjpg can i see your feet

Also for a reviewer to not even read the product manual to know how to use a product correctly is wild and telling. Then said no time for corrections or awareness that it's wrong to do. Just doubling down 😭.

Idk, I think it was completely undeserved and out of proportion. He LITERALLY has been talking about how they have these issues and are looking to fix them for months

@@FweshPwinceJiff if you need to read a manual to use a product its a bad product, i dont know anyone who will read manual to use a common item like a computer mouse or keyboard.

LTT is entertainment tech. If you watch LTT for reliable statistics, you're doing it wrong. Similarly, if you watch Gamer's Nexus expecting drama-free statistics reviews that aren't hinged on taking pot shots at other channels, you're still doing it wrong. Linus needs to slow down and Steve needs to grow up.

@@eechee2979Then LTT should put a disclaimer on their videos saying they’re just “entertainment tech” and no one should trust their statistics. Otherwise, you can’t fault people for believing a channel’s reviews when they market themselves as a trustworthy tech review channel.

I kinda like the audience not really taking side and put what they have on their mind instead just follow the most popular opinion

There are a ton of good takes if you want to learn more; in the review creator space there is the Hardware Unboxed podcast, the JayTwoCents RTFM podcast on the topic of LTT fanboys and some social implications of these review mistakes. There has been some good take rebuttals of the language that GN:Steve used that made subliminally more incendiary. Some of these issues seem have been known at some level for a while... hopefully LMG/LTT continues down the path of actually addressing them instead of pushing stuff aside in the rush to push content out.

Are you all paid commenters? The comments under this video sound like marketing spiel. Who types like this outside of work.

LTT Definitely screwed up here, but if you only have one prototype you definitely shouldn't send it to someone else.

Legitimately. I never knew that. Granted, I don't watch RU-vid on my PC that much, but I do enough for that to be useful.

Lmao what? They’re right to do so

@@thesnowman2509 Who's right to do what?

Yes was going to say, made the jokey tone much worse

didn't they also put a sponsor in the apology? it felt really insincere

no, but they were joking around saying that they could have had a sponsor@@naurrr

@@moush5042didn’t she work for like 2 years

@@moush5042 she's definitely been apart of ltt/lmg for a lot longer than a few months, but she quit like two years ago without exposing any details about why. it was only until recently that she explained everything.

Ludwig’s setup was reviewed in a recent LTT video, and Ludwig reviewed that video.

Gamer Nexus is a weirdo. I dont rate that guy at all.

​@@WJeezushow is he a weirdo?

@@FardeenRiyadh16 bro made the entire video because he got butt hurt. It wasn't done because LTT are bad, but rather cherry pick fumbles theu had, and expose it as revenge. Hes nothing but a weirdo loser

He’s also against unions and his wife (49% owner) was head of HR until recently. His rationalization for being anti union is very strange and only accounts for his feelings instead of his employees well being. He has said he would take it as a personal failure if his employees unionized. One of those _“but we’re a family”_ types of bosses.

In their return video they show the statistics of worker turnover and just how much lower it is than both the national and industry average, if it was such a bad place to work people would leave.

Im not a fan of unions either, they start with good intentions then quickly grow corupt. But not allowing wirkers to discus their pay is scummy. Thats non of their hysiness what workers talk about, especialy off the clock.

​@@draginator6turnover alone doesn't reflect the culture or working environment of the company especially if workers are very attached to their jobs and don't have a lot of alternatives in the industry. they work in a very niche industry. the employees were clearly overworked and have said so multiple times. stop whiteknighting LMG they aren't going to notice you

@@lordfrz9339we do not need to know if you aren't a fan of unions

here before this blows up

Bro💀

ayo

Brain rot is a big problem I hope you recover Mr Mogul mail man

damn

They said that email didn't get sent to billet and the cooler got thrown in the wrong area. It's still pretty bad, but not nearly as bad as purposefully stealing it.

Hate how he danced around technicalities with we didn’t sell it. It was auctioned

​@@Hideyoshi1991 seems like the type of mistake that could easily happen.

@@mildlydazed9608auctioned for charity not profit, big difference. GN made it sound like they were trying to make a quick buck

to be clear, BL initially said in their email it was LMG's to keep and changed their mind after seeing the video

You must be new. Mizkif, Atrioc..

Wdym bro he's literally done it for so many people he has collabed with...

I'm a luddite to this

We love Ludwin and Mogul Mail. Don't waste your time at someone who said he's not our friend ;)

Who’s Lud? I only know Mogul Mail

the left click didn't work for me :[

@@younlok1081 Nor for me....

who's ludwig

I found it weird about when he was like "i dont think i can say sorry for not wanting to pay people to do hundreds of work for retesting". What a weird thing to focus on when concerned with your accuracy.

@@Tsukiru Because performance wasn't important to a conclusion "this cooler for last gen card is priced like an upgrade to a next gen card and could never live up to that jump of performance"

​​@@roumaaan he made the problem. He blows smoke up his own ass about how accurate their testing is and Labs dedication to accurate info, then doesn't want to correct results after stupidly using it improperly.

@@roumaaan That's not the point though. If I wanted a guesstimate any review on google would do. LTT is supposed to be accurate and thorough, which is why it's weird that they refused to retest it after finding out they did it wrong.

Yeah, this is important. And Linus' response was basically "we are making progress improving the processes," which is fair enough, but they've been sloppy for so long that it became clear that a shift of focus would be needed if they were going to deliver on their promises of Labs becoming a truly dependable source for product testing. That concept behind the Labs was really appealing to me and to a lot of people so I'm glad they got a bit of a wake up call to course correct so that hopefully they can ultimately and truly deliver on what they started.

and more $$ if you wait

We really shouldn't speculate on the madison allegations. There's absolutely no need to stir the pot any more. Nothing of value will be brought forward without any official word from LMG.

Madison told white lies throughout her post. The time frame lines up with the woman who was falsely accusing Linus of wanting sexual favors in exchange for a Floatplane creator spot. I think her name was Naomi Wu. Linus talked to Madison about the situation because Madison ran the social media accounts. This was proved false a long time ago and Madison knew it. If she omits facts about something so minor (impacting her personally), then what else is she omitting, twisting or lying about? I'd take her allegations with a major grain of salt until the third party investigation is over.

HUHH???

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Doesn't a lot of it sum up to Linus is a bad boss and massive asshole? I don't know how you fix that except not support them until the channel dies.

Just trust him bro