The Chinese Navy: A New Goliath 

135：paper tiger, 246: goliath

Let the confusion begin

Well you can't parade your expertise by simply agreeing!

Made in China, cheap and quickly produced crap. Their military will be the same.

China put sea water in their missiles. Nuff said

Its almost like that's exactly why we've focused so much on stealth aircraft that make even those massive shore based radar stations useless, and are entirely capable of flying in from out of range and dropping ordnance on radar, air defenses, and land to sea missiles. Or longer range missiles that are harder to detect, smart enough to fly around early warning and interception threats, then coordinate with each other on final approach to maximize kill probability. Meanwhile china is still stuck on "surely we can break the laws of physics to make a missile go faster than a top of the line computer can move a few electrons and calculate an intercept! What do you mean the faster something is the less maneuverable it is?"

Awww look at the two Chinese bots find each other. How cute.

@@amorphousavocet1210 All you need is quantity, you can intercept 1-10 missiles but if a 100 come at you at the same time....Its kinda like how the Israeli Iron dome failed.NEVER underestimate your enemy,especially when you never fought him.I am pretty sure the pentagon is taking the issue seriously.

@@amorphousavocet1210 Ha! Some random radar operator in Serbia back in the Kosovo war, figured out how to detect our stealth F117 with Soviet gear from the 60's... we didn't even know the plane existed until the Serbs shot one down with 60's era Soviet AA missiles. Guess who collected that downed stealth plane... Russia. Just because the US claims that our stealth is undetectable, doesn't make it true. Flying sorties, untouched over the middle east for 30 years means nothing... especially when you consider that the US still lost. China and Russia have most certainly figured out how to detect our stealth, why else would the US need to be constantly designing new stealth tech?

@@havocgr1976this ridiculous myth needs to die already. Neither Russia or China has the industry or expertise to make that many missiles. Even if they magically did they utterly lack the ability to actually target ships at sea, and US aircraft have enough range they are under no obligation to let them shoot back. It’s not underestimation, it’s demythologizing

Yeah, and it makes me angry so many people do underestimate China. They have the population and resources. They have motivation and their government for all its woes can swivel faster than any Democracy. Anyway we shall see soon won't we? One thing China doesn't have is competent allies.

@@dianapennepacker6854...you do realize they're sitting on the verge of a massive unavoidable population collapse right? the long term consequence of the one child policy meeting their cultural bias for male children. Made worse by their current godawful conditions for citizens disinclining many to having children at all even if they're some of the few that could. The fools keep making it worse too, statistical predictions have reached a 50% decline by 2100. Long before then most of their population will be elderly, past working age and needing financial support. Less than useless in any conflict, and liable to cause a financial or social collapse.

@@dianapennepacker6854chinas wealth and power is gilded. In 25 yrs they’re gonna have a population crisis because they’re more old people than any other age cohort, plus there’s 30 million + single men who will never have a wife because of the effects of the one child policy. In regards to morale or motivation, the Chinese people have been made, for the most part, willing slaves to the party and system. If anything china should focus on improving the quality of life & infrastructure for its people before the whole nation falls apart at the seams. China is a joke. it counts on people believing its strong when it’s rly a house of cards

@@dianapennepacker6854 Yet, but it is working on it, especially through its Belt and Road Initiative.

​@gumpyoldbugger6944 no offense but I don't think that any of the countries targeted by the belt and road initiative can be considered "competent allies" atleast not in the militaristic sense.

他们确实都是迷一般的自信，keep going

U guys dont have reverse engineered ufos

Maybe it was something of a moment thingy...

That quote really triggered you lol 😂

Well yeah who cares about an ominous warning that doesn't apply to a time you'll be around to see? "A meteor will strike Earth in 500 years." Nobody will care in that moment. ✌

​@@Phearsum See also the bible

@@Phearsum If the meteor was made in China nobody has to worry. 🤣

USA navy is weak because USA has to much enemies.

Thats a little bit of a stretch if you really consider the two stories. Godzilla couldnt be meaningfully harmed by a human of size from 6 to 9 feet, even a muscular behemoth of a man. China could reasonably harm the US navy. They wouldnt win----weve got vastly better planes and missiles and drones and torpedoes-- but they could def put up a fight. Thats what makes the entire of the conflict terrifying. At some point one side will be too far apparently losing and nukes will be authorized.

The strikethrough is a misrecognition of an emdash, ignore it. Two '-' make a strike through here i guess, instead of an emdash, whereas on all reasonably programmed chat/forum/comment spaces its two '~' to do strikethrough/crossout

The war in Ukraine taught us that modern day wars arenot about sheer power anymore. Russian Navy could not defend against tiny drones and tiny kamikaze boats and we laughed about it, but our navy would suffer the sane faith if we went at war. Modern day technology can't really defend against those. Its not about size anymore, hopefully the U.S military adapted to this new reality and does not rely only on powerful warships. I mean i'm sure they adapted, if a dude like me is aware of it.

​​@@StayPrimal Nah because we have functioning CIWS. You have to understand three things to make this comparison. One, the Russian Navy is almost entirely composed of soviet ships and with the loss of Ukrainian assistance they've lost most of their naval repair assets. Imagine that. Two, the US has been watching the Ukrainian war. They saw it. They aren't blind to what it means. Three... Who knows what corners the chinese cut? They have more "boats" technically but a third the tonnage, and doing it that fast has costs. Just ask the 1,000 or so schoolchildren who died in shittily, QUICKLY made schools in 2023 when an earthquake hit

No reason for it not to. Since WW2 has been the longest period of global peace EVER. Was never this peaceful at any other point in history. It's a matter of time - not if, but when.

oh yeah for sure, probably best to gain some new skills to defend yourself and what not, at the very least some survival skills who the hell knows whats going to happen soon

It already is

War is (unfortunately) a part of human nature. War will exist as long as humans exist if you ask me.

Have you been checked out of Russia/Ukraine, Israel/Palestine? It’s already happening.

Yes indeed. 😊

Truth

To be fair I don’t think they really have the desire to operate globally either. They project force around the world purely economically.

You forgot United States has India to block China's trade routes

Yes they were never built to operate far, even their airforce isnt built for that.I woudnt be so sure who would go along in a war with em though.And thats for a simple reason, WMDs.

*cannon

@@shawnhoebeck7784 well that’s what happens when the it auto correct

“An army marches on its stomach.”

China had several times more men than any other country at the time he said that, so...

Canon too. lol

China also doesn't have to build a global navy like the US. They only need enough to dominate one region.0

Secondly you can build a million ships. You can't just build a competent crew, with years of experience, or a history of naval traditions and understanding. China was never a naval powerhouse. Truly they are like Spain in the 1500s. Their lack of knowledgeable leadership and training will show.

@@DEC3TheWokeProject You can copy the practices and training from your rivals. I think no one, including China itself is aware how good or bad its sailors will be in a real fight.

@@masaheimoi what's the time of "practicing and adopting foreign battle plans?" Who's running the naval academy, who's orchestrating the training exercises, what real experience do these men have at sea, and with open water maneuvers. You can read a manual but yet not understand how to build off the design. Doctrines and ideology plays a huge role in these matters, and the Chinese approach is to force themselves into being a naval power without earning their stripes and taking their fair share of licks. No nation is invincible, the US can tell you that, but the strategy of one's nation could be. China will cripple itself investing so much into their navy, without needing to even go to war. China will fall to ruins due to its navy if it does go to war.

Not even that. Their steel quality is so bad their infrastructure is crumbling, never mind how crappy all the rest of it is. Lord concrete should not crumble in bare hands. There's already been multiple attempts to draw attention away from how much they're struggling to get enough decent steel to make a single knock off of one ancient outdated russian carrier. The US's strength isn't in its hulls or weapons, but in the industry and technology and experience needed just to build and maintain all that shit. The only real competitors are in Europe and elsewhere in Asia. Russia and china have basically neutered themselves via kleptocracy, while everyone that matters has figured out its far more profitable to just not fight each other.

VIETNAM FIGHTING! OOO OOO OOO!

YOU ARE REMINDER TO THE CASUALTIES PLA SUFFERED. THANKS ANYWAY.😂❤​@@sirgaz8699

..and China is this case is David

​@@jmjones7897 Not really, Vietnam see both China and America as equal partners.

@@protato911 You are correct, particularly in light of the basic 4 no's policy. The 2 nations have greatly improved relations in recent years, sincerely hope such efforts continue

David was Jewish! There as foretold by the prophecy, the isrealis will be the one to defeat China

David died of old age

You're welcome

I bet you feel smart

The US is Goliath!

There is truth in this statement.

Like every navy.

@@team3am149 No, the US navy is as strong abroad as it is at home. Just ask the Japanese or any enemy of the British navy in the 18th and 19th century. Any navy worth its salt is a threat no matter what part of the globe they are on

@@arwing20so you’re saying only one navy in the world is worth its salt

@@canine555 Well the 3 blue water navies are. USA, UK and France. Everyone else just doesn't have the capability to strike at all places on the ocean with their navies.

A sad video. We've become such a short sighted and arrogant nation, squandering our wealth and overlooking all the things that make a country succeed.

What are you talking about? We have at least 2 dozen canoes in our fleet....and I'm pretty sure one of those Victoria class submarines we bought from the UK (after Pakistan rejected them) has finally been made watertight by now...or at least mostly watertight...as long as it stays on the surface.

I heared that Canada air force is particularly powerful... Is it right?

​@@hosmerhomeboy maybe you all can stop hosting separatists from other countries and do something for the real Canadians

That would be the correct measure for commercial Navy (shipping things around the globe) not the military..

@@djgeorgetsagkadopoulos that's literally how you judge ships in fighting navies, which is why things like The Washington Naval Treaty dealt with ships being certain tonnages, as well as how we classify a carrier from a super carrier being based on tonnage.

@@djgeorgetsagkadopoulos So all I have to do is take a million canoes and strap a gun to each one and suddenly I'd have the largest navy in the world? that makes no sense,

@@DarthTrazyn I didn't claim that, but then again if I built one single MASSIVE ship, the size of Japan, that displaces double than all the ships in the world combined, and I stick a dozen of canons on it, do I have the biggest navy in the world ? After all, it's ONE ship :P

@@djgeorgetsagkadopoulos You're completely confusing biggest with best. Yes, China has the biggest Navy as they have several more ships than the USA, but the USA has the Best Navy, since it's more than twice the tonnage and three times the battle force missiles. Yes China has a bigger Navy, but the US has a better and more powerful Navy. Which leads to your comparison question, yes, if you build one singular ship the size of Japan, which makes it literally unsinkable in any possible way, and it has exponentially more times the battle force missiles and tonnage than every Navy in history combined, then yes, you would have the strongest Navy on earth.

As Ex Royal Aus Navy I agree. Having a fragile amount of targetable ports is a scary prospect for any nation with a war on it's doorstep even if they are the aggressors.

China have hundred of shipyard that can build gigantic ships. I bet they could be used for warship in war time. US shipyard is like an old man waiting to die

Spot on

yep, especially if you have no supply cap IRL

​@@royk7712 Literally the same tactic the US used during ww2 against Nazi Germany and Imperial Japan

chinese military cost about 1.6%GDP

just a friendly reminder, China is a Socialist country, most of their shipbuilding companies are state-own

“It takes 3 years to build a ship, 300 years to build a tradition”

@@doujinflip and who got 309 year of experience? Not USA lol

@@user-uy9zm8sf2y China's army and Navy is the laughing stock of the world , There Navy is full of untried and untested pampered mummy boys from China's failed 1 child policy who will Wet there pants at the first sign of conflict , there army is also full of fakes and copies of American tech , they would be Wiped out in any war with the West and They know it that's why they ain't gonna do SHIT !

He’s busy snorting lines right now in Denver, he’ll freak out tomorrow

Peter Zeihan has been predicting the "Chinese collapse" for the last 20 years, I am pretty sure what he will say for the next 20 years.

The Chinese coast guard probably has the largest and most modern fleet in the entire world. Their navy is building so many ships so quickly that just between 2013 and 2021, they build SEVENTY FIVE 1,500 ton corvettes for the navy, quickly realized that's way too many, and transferred over 20 to the coast guard before they even turned 10 years old.

In which case the fact that the PLAN commissioned 8 Type 055 Destroyers in a span of just 3 years (2020-2022), each packing some of the most advanced radars on the planet plus 112 VLS cells shows they mean business. Also in that 3 year span, they also commissioned 12 Type 52D guided missile destroyers, each packing 64 VLS cells. That's not even counting the dozens of Type 054 Frigates they built/are still building with 32 VLS each. That's a lot of VLS launch capability in a very short period of time.

Tonnage used to signify armors, which became irrelevant today. Even a drone can take out heavy cruiser nowadays pretty much negated the size advantage.

The Chinese put in way more money and maintenance compared to Russia. The PLAN's biggest problem is that they are playing catch up, while Russia is speed running military decay

There’s a reason Ukraine (who owned the ex-Varyag which became the Liaoning) decided to sell the hulk to China for scrap.

Building a ship is one thing, but maintaining it is far more important. Even the US is having trouble keep up with maintenance these days as the American domestic ship building industry has withered away. China on the other hand, now builds over 50% of the world's ships by tonnage, so they have plenty of capacity and manpower to keep up with maintenance.

China only talks big except where it counts.

@christophermarriott1681 how insightful. Unless you are the one at sea, on watch and providing the blanket of freedom.... enjoy the video games kid.

Don't fuck with the US Navy. That is the paramount lesson in World Affairs since the dawn of the Age of Steam

When did USA underestimate their enemies? In fact USA always overestimate their enemies just look how Soviet propagandas of mig 25 lead to creation of the most deadliest jet fighter ever the F15.

Quantity is a mathematical fact while Quality is always debatable. Quantity always mattered and always was above the so called "Quality".

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China's goal is to dominate in its own back yard. The US is not going to send all its assets to the SCS. With the support from its land based assets, it is though to say whether the US has a winning chance at all.

Carriers fight against missiles, not other carriers.

@@elmohead I wasn't comparing them for purposes of carrier vs carrier, I was comparing them in terms of actual power 1 carrier can exert in a theater of war. 1 US supercarrier has more firepower than 2 regular chinese carriers and even more than 1 chinese supercarrier. So when you hear "11 to 3 strength" .. it's more like 20 to 3 strength when you compare the amount (and type) of aircraft each nation can bring to bear at sea.

China is also going to maintain at least 1 super carrier construction going until 2040. They’ll soon catch up & they have no real interest in fighting anyone until then

On paper it looks like that but in reality... You cannot defeat a shark in ocean and a shark cannot defeat you on land. The place of battlefield and geography plays the most important role in outcomes of a battle. US navy cannot win against China in it's own backyard that is South China Sea. Those tiny ass so called allies of USA will be toast against full military might of China. And the same for the Chinese navy. The farther it is away from the mainland, the weaker it gets in support and firepower.

没必要较真，都被假新闻忽悠成脑瘫了。这些人从没想过一个世界工厂和拥有全球51%份额的造船工业转化为军工的战争潜力多么恐怖。就像二战前的美国，全力开动可以每天有上百万枚导弹走出生产线。他们甚至都不知道，俄乌战争的炮弹产量不足也跟制裁中国新疆棉（硝化棉原材料）有关。这些人把一个能在太空建立空间站的国家看得如此弱小，是如此的傲慢。

Even better: Kraken

Ah but the Leviathan is destroyed. @@coconutsmarties

Ah but the Leviathan is destroyed. @@coconutsmarties

indeed. they are a green water navy but trying hard to go blue. if they are unable to secure ports theyll never go blue...thats the real purpose of their BRI.

You might want to stop relying on imaginary spies then…

The Chinese Navy has maintained a constant presence in the Red Sea/gulf of Aden since 2008 with their Naval Escort Task Force (NETF) even with (at times) their older and crappier ships like the Luda class destroyers and Jiangwei II frigates (both of which are niw mostly decommissioned. When you include exercises and the ships doing their world tour after NETF, only the US and British maintain more ships on mission far from their coast. Additionally, China is one of only 3 countries operating cruisers ( by US NAVY and ONI classifications) and the only country building new cruisers. They don't HAVE to operate far from their coast, but they are perfectly capable of doing so at a small to moderate level

China is not planning to invade some oil-rich nations far away like iraq, so I guess the trigger happy US navy doesn't need to worry much.

Smaller navies here in Europe can do that. They are all patrol boats and amphibical craft and missile boats with little aspiration abroad but decent at detering others.

It is very confusing in a way with Chinese geopolitics that they have been highly antagonistic toward nations that have the ability to easily disrupt (if not close) water trade routes that are heavily relied on for said food inputs and energy.

True. While Russia, North Korea, Cuba and Venezuela are closely cooperating with the Chinese, going full in support during a war with Nato is less likely. Though I am more interested in their attempts to buy, charm and bully African countries and Pacific islander countries into possibly establish long term maritime bases to extend the Chinese naval reach

@@cynthiaherbst3909they falsely believe they are superior and can treat others negatively without consequences. It's cute to watch. When they have a real crisis, they'll get nothing but laughs from us.

Instead, China is surrounded by enemies.

​@@NoNeedNoGreedwithout going into detail China is basically in the German Empire position during the scramble for Africa pre WW1 or Japan before WW2 they need a strong navy to secure resources abroad and challenge their enemies supremacy over water trade routes. Without it they can be choke to submission and as such a war is inevitable.

Word up.

Because it doesn't matter in the age of missiles and satellites.

Okay, so I know I wasn't tripping 🤣

What, "Mine Countermeasure Vessels"?

The difference is the U.S. can crank out far more ships than Japan could during that era, whereas today China’s shipbuilding capacity is more than 10 times that of the U.S.

但中国人不是日本人😂

​@@shixunliu1457That provided nothing substantial to the discussion.

Everyone has nuclear weapons now.

​@@TubbyBubbleLove42 Japan is a kid compared to china.

He's a secret multi-millionare. Alas none of millions will bring him what he wants the most, his hair.

​@@joeclaridy LMFAO

You can’t even Google basic information 😂

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You haven’t even look this up have you? Most of the US ships are Cold War era glass cannons.

@@OCS-vr7my How ya doing Vlad? Yeah, all 10 Nimitz class aircraft carriers are from the cold war, of course they are carrying 70 generation 5 stealth aircraft and their escorts include nuclear attack submarines. Russia has no air craft carriers and China has former USSR (cold war) carriers. lad, please continue this conversation so I can hand off your information to the Russian Bot killer Ryan McBeth

​@@OCS-vr7my lol. Glass cannons why doesn't China show us by firing on one of them then? Oh I know why... because they know better.

@@mrmitchell11 go look it up?

Leaving aside the fact that 100% of your comment was complete made-up bullshit, I wouldn’t, nor anyone else, take your opinions and worries seriously.

im wondering about that ,,,

Could u imagine being asked to go down in a Chinese sub? Lol

Your chinese boots

@@chaosinsurgency4197 lol. Mine were made in England, thank you. Solovair. I avoid Chinese crap. Except the food. The food is awesome.

For that tofu dreg navy america is gathering almost all the countries around it

Who does have experience using warships in combat vs a peer threat

@@brooklyn560 Anything resembling that .... British in the 80s?

China's nuclear weapons have not experienced wars either, and when they are launched into your country, you don't need to fight back, because he has no combat experience

@@brooklyn560 US, France, UK maybe not even France

China navy experiences are harassing south east asians small fishing boats.

The word is frenemies*

Yes😂 But don't underestimate looks weak military

Haha, the Soviet Union has never supported the Chinese navy and even prevented Ukraine from selling abandoned aircraft carriers to China in the early stages. As far as current naval technology is concerned, the Soviet Union has lagged behind for too long. The only thing that may be helpful is the technology of nuclear submarines.

@@user-ce5hj1te9h the video were commenting on literally mentions how they started to help then stopped because of ideals in conflict.

thought the same thing haha maybe hes late o.O

Seems so

​@@Saturn_2138 Yes, agreed

he is a voice actor, he doest write any scripts just read them.

Sure, however, China's shenanigans in the 'West Philippine sea' have made negotiations with Xi difficult. While the US has its problems. They are a bit more reliable in that they wouldn't just take whatever land they see fit. Heck 'Balikatan' is basically the country strengthen it's defense due to the growing worry over there. Same goes with Japan, and other southeast asian countries. As for Taiwan, I think they have credible reasons to not trust the CCP nowadays. With a possible invasion looming over their heads and all that. Lastly we don't know what will happen if war break out. Ukraine showed that things that could go wrong, will go wrong. While underestimating China is a fool's way of thinking, trying to be friendly with them after numerous amount of geopolitical and dimplomatic issues is stupid at this point. Until they stop with their agressive wolf dimplomacy, neighboring countries will continue to look Westward.

A paper Panda would come closer to the mark.

I'm thinking of a different bear.@@HarryWHill-GA

wish everyone thinks in your way

"The running paper tiger chases its own tail" - GWAR

​@@johnwethekylow Honey?

Yeah, maybe in the 80’s.

@@team3am149 China has yet to demonstrate capability to force project beyond their own local areas.

@@team3am149 China can't even blockade Taiwan literally right next door. How in the heck do you think it would do against the U.S. assets in the Pacific like Guam? With the full force of The Pacific Fleet? Don't lie. Lol

@@thecoon3193 China has yet to demonstrate anything lol.

​@@team3am149 someone doesnt know about tofu dregg construction

Only half the tonnage of the US is still miles ahead of anyone else. They have less outdated warships than the American navy, most of their ships are brand new. They have more shipbuilding capabilities than the rest of the world combined and outputs the equivalent of the entire French Navy every four years, including 3 aircraft carriers in the last 12 years. If China’s ten-thousand tonne destroyers are small fishing vessels, then what are the smaller American vessels? Typical ignorance, most Americans are far from adequately educated.

Tonnage matters less since the two powers have different strategic goals. USN tonnage is high because it is a blue water force designed to project power anywhere in the world. PLAN is a green water navy whose primary aim is to defend coastal waters. Any conflict between the two would be fought off of the coast of China, where the aircraft carrier discrepancy is at a minimal impact. This is assuming that US can knock out key steps in the kill chain for the PLARF's hypersonic missiles - otherwise the US may not be able to risk its aircraft carriers.

@@user-ip8pi8ve5w If the PLAN isn’t a blue-water navy, then no navy asides from the American one is.

@@user-ip8pi8ve5w Stop regurgitating the outdated 90’s green-water navy crap, the PLAN has more blue-water capability than anyone asides from the US.

@@user-ip8pi8ve5w China has a full-fledged blue-water navy.

in Baltimore we just had an example of murican one

@@piotrswat169 you would be right, if it didn't just get nailed by a ship

@@piotrswat169and in China y’all’s electric cars can’t stop catching fire !

You wouldn’t survive experiencing American workmanship, like what comes out of Boeing’s factories.

@@Hackattack7 building in Miami collapsed on its own.

Ten-thousand tonne destroyers are now fishing ships according to this knowledgeable armchair expert 👏

They are compared to the 100k tonne super carriers of the US.

@@kyodairiker I guess China’s 80K tonne carriers are also fishing boats by your standards then.

​@@team3am149 Weak effort at whataboutism.

@@team3am149 yes, because they are not nuclear powered carriers. Non-nuclear powered aircraft carriers are basically like small fishing boats when compared to nuclear powered ones. Perhaps you should get an education before you comment lmfao

How do you know they don’t invest in damage control or logistics? Especially when they have the second largest at-sea replenishment fleet in the world.

中国海军是你的敌人？还是中国是你的敌人？需要防范？还是你们打算在东海和南海对中国发起侵略，因此需要防范中国的反抗？😂

Incorrect

😂😂

Tell that to the American navy.

@@team3am149 What about it? We've got 4x their tonnage with fewer ships. Aint no fishing boats in our fleets.

@@team3am149 someone did and the us navy pulled up next to China’s aircraft carrier group in the South China Sea. China’s Carrier group got violated and took it 😂😂😂

Florida Man's navy, assuming the kayak also has a rod-mount and beer can holder

I'd agree with you if it was 20 years ago.

You clearly don’t understand the Type 55 Destroyer - Best in the world by far and the US knows it

Does it involve a bridge as well?

@@dexlab7539 That's beside the point though. Sure the type 055s look like they're probably very good, probably pretty comparable to modern Burkes, Ticos, Sejong The Great etc. classes. Whether that's actually more capable or less isn't really answerable by anyone alive with how much about them is classified, but it's reasonable to rate them highly. Those 055s are still currently only 8 out of the ~500 commissioned ships in the PLAN right now. The rest of that count includes hundreds of corvettes, missile boats and auxiliaries. In tonnage and total weapons the PLAN is still only something like half the size of the USN, and even with the incredible rate of construction it'll be behind for years.

And China has plenty of everything! Missiles, drones (literally millions of drones) etc. Drone warfare is the future.

It's meant to scare the western audience. 🤣

The VPN in China actually prevents you from looking at us. Instead of blocking Chinese people from understanding the world, we are all watching what you are saying, thinking, and preparing to do....... You know nothing about us. Unidirectional transparency.

😂真有趣

@@user-zb1eb5nw2t Taiwan is REAL CHINA.

Well thats true but I really misses the point. A Navy is only about as good as the economy. The Navy really is a fragile thing to maintain. Right now China is only building new ships but one thing China hasn't adequately addressed is what to do when those ships come of age. Also another thing a Navy is normally an Expeditionary force means it's meant to operate globally however most of those ships China built don't have the adequate range to be able operate more then a few hundred miles. The US Navy spends alot not just on ships but forward bases such as Japan, Italy, Bahrain, Singapore Guam, even over here in Hawaii were I live it's totally devoted to logistically supporting Expeditionary warfare. China doesn't have that capability not by Longshot yet so they are still limited to their own coastline roughly. They have sent ships to the Indian Ocean buts it's been highly restricted because they don't have the logistical capacity to operate abroad for long term.

On the other hand, if you compile a list of nations in possession of multiple CV's, SSN's, SSBN's and the logistics to deploy them globally you will find it to be an extremely short list... and the UK is on it.

Paper/armchair admirals

First you "launch" a ship, meaning the hull is largely complete and the ship can float in the water. Second you "fit out" the ship, meaning installing the power plants and other key machinery. Third is "sea trials", which means the ship can actually move on its own power, but perhaps many weapon and sensor system remain uninstalled. So you might spend a year or more sending the ship to do multiple sea trials to test each major system as they get installed on the ship, and also to train the crew in operating it. Only when all that is complete do you "commission" the ship. A commissioned ship means it is fully operational, has a fully trained crew, and is ready to conduct regular deployments. Unless you are India and have rather limited ship building industry, but will claim to "commission" ships which are not combat ready. That's one notable thing about the Chinese navy. With the size of their ship building industry, the Chinese navy can build ships faster than anyone else. As a quick comparison, India laid down their 45,000 ton carrier the Vikrant in 2009, "launched" it in 2013, but didn't start sea trials until 2021, and even though they say the ship was "commissioned" in 2022, didn't actually manage to do fighter launch and recovery until 2023, and the ship remains not combat ready. China laid down the larger 70,000 ton Shandong carrier in 2013, launched in 2017, sea trials in 2018, and the ship was fully combat ready and commissioned in 2019.

@@tren133 do you happen to have comparisons to how quickly the US in WW2 was building ships by comparison to modern day China. I heard the US was pumping out ships like crazy near the end of the war

@@mollysmoshingtankcrew9441 Well nothing compares to US (or even USSR) production near the end of WW2, because that was total war economy production. For instance in 1941, Detroit based US auto makers produced 3 million cars, then WW2 broke out, and the US went from making 3 million passenger cars in 1941 to making just 139 passenger cars during the ENTIRE 4 YEAR WAR. Imagine all that industrial capacity switched to building fighters, ships, tanks, Jeeps etc. Chinese navy build up is during peace time, so nothing crazy, but still they can outbuild any other navy currently, including the US. For instance in the 3 year pandemic period between 2020 to 2022, the USN commissioned: 1 America class amphibious assault ship, 1 San Antonio class amphib transport dock, 4 Virginia class attack subs, 0 guided missile cruisers, 3 Arleigh Burke guided missile destroyers, and 6 of the smaller Littoral Combat Ships. In the same 3 year span, the PLAN commissioned. at least: 3 amphibious helicopter landing docks, 2 amphibious transport docks, 1 ballistic sub, 1 attack sub, 8 type 055 guided missile cruisers, 13 type 052 guided missile destroyers, 3 guided missile frigates, and at least 25 smaller corvettes. And the Chinese are accelerating their ship building program including more of the massive 055 cruisers, more 052D destroyers, a new nearly 6000 ton missile frigate, the type 004 nuclear powered super carrier, 077 amphibious assault ship/drone carrier, plus increased submarine production which is not made public, while the USN is falling behind on both ship building and maintenance as well.

Nope... that's surely Napoleon

We have good bit of a lead on China, but they are closing that gap faster than we are increasing it. They will be the first country after the US to field more than 2 aircraft carriers, a impressive feat considering many countries don’t own one and those that do tend to only have one. China’s j20 is probably the best stealth fighter after the US’s F22 Raptor and the F35 lightning II. China has hypersonic missiles, a technology that we are actually behind on and we do not have. We also lack a means of protecting our ships from hypersonic missiles at the current time. If the US and china had a naval battle right now, we would definitely win, but the losses would be more severe than anything our navy has suffered since ww2.

Hypersonics we haven’t yet admitted to field, in line with our habit of actually waiting for it to be practically ready for production before publication. We just finished a successful test of an ARRW off of Guam, which hints at how confident we are at striking targets in the Western Pacific. And unlike Russia’s nuclear-based deterrence or China’s “carrier killer” concepts, American hypersonics when they do get deployed are meant to be fired off regularly.

China now has 200 times the shipbuilding capacity of US. In a normal year，China just bulid a whole British navy.

Why don't u try if u can???

@@user-mx9fo8wv1w wooosh

@@user-mx9fo8wv1w Vietnam 😊

@@user-mx9fo8wv1w I'm not david, weirdo

I think they are asking for it. Bullied by Genghis Khan, then humilated by western power during the opium war, then conquered by the Japanese, even defeated by Vietnam. They have a long history of defeats.