The Chronic Lies of Elyria Part 3 

Dude should have just gone into politics.

@@dardo1201 XD

politics 101

PR 101 never answer the actual question if it doesn't benefit you

_Zootopia_ taught us that if you encounter a difficult question, then you should answer by asking the question you *did* want, and then answering _that_ one, instead.

Lawyers.

His imaginary friends

Arya Realty Investments, his investment advisor

While I appreciate Kira saying 'he's not a scammer', he just mismanaged 8 million dollars, I still maintain that cocaine is a hell of a drug.

Long live the king! (caspian)

I don't think it will until either Kira or Caspian dies or a band of rogue elves complete the game in the middle of the night one Christmas.

Im not a disappointment. Mommy calls me special : )

I miss earth 2 :(

Me either! It's a marvellously entertaining soap opera.

Yeah, Earth 2 was hilarious

I was just going to post this. The Earth 2 stuff was hilarious. Chronicles of Elyria is just a dead horse at this point.

Oh man I miss earth 2 content 😂

I watched Earth 2s newest video from a few months back recently and it is completely batshit. Reminded me of the Turboencabulator joke, the needless complexity and terminology. My assumption is that E2 has been using legal threats to reduce criticism on RU-vid otherwise I'm know Kira could do an amazing hour on their latest stuff.

Forreal earth 2 updates were great! Because Kira made videos on em hahaha

It's my favorite soap opera.

I cancelled all my streaming services for this

Isn't that what the news and the democrats do to you every singel day? And you still believe them don't you?🙃

Haha omg, nice catch

@@roserevancroix2308 Isn't that what the documentaries and the republicans do to you every singel day? And you still believe them don't you?🙃

​@@AlphaGarg World is full of lies, don't believe anyone and just eat vodka and drink borsch.

@@JustDeichan real

Caspian prostitute was the lead developer last I heard. Her field of expertise was milking Caspian.

^ 💯

As a programmer, 100% of the projects I've worked on has had their frameworks and technologies decided upon or at the very least explored or toyed with before they're agreed to be used in the project(s), This was, painful, I need a drink

I'm a software engineer as well. I agree with you. Choosing the right tool for the job is very important, and every tool has its use cases. That's why one should have many tools in one's belt, and have the ability to use any of them when it's appropriate. Another very important skill to have as a developer is humility and to be able to quickly toss bad ideas. Failing fast is very important. If the NodeJS idea doesn't pan out, don't wait several years and spend millions of dollars before realising it. Scrap it, go back to the drawing board. As I said in a comment on one of the previous installments of this series, Caspian has got to be the most extreme follower of the worst implementation of waterfall project managment possible.

I'm a complete moron when it comes to technology, and it sounded stupid to even me! XD

Aha, yea it's all fun and games when we grill men isn't it. Buuut when it comes to grilling women all of a sudden it's hate-speech and discriminating and bullying and bla bla

@@roserevancroix2308 The fuck? She was pointing out his lies and making him talk about them and the promises he made. I don't know how you made this about gender but I don't care. Go back to your cave, incel.

@@roserevancroix2308 Whoa! Why do you bring gender into it? I don't think @ectothermic meant anything more by "lady" than to specify who they were referring to.

​@@roserevancroix2308 WTF, even? Dude, take your meds. XD

The real Chronicle was the lies that were told along the way.

Dude never made a game but he's made kira some top tier content for years

This and the Day Before stuff is so good, along with all his other stuff but this is some other level quality of entertainment

think even calling these "games" is a bit of a stretch. I'd say they were mostly more just proof of concept/vertical slice projects that probably never got much further than just being able to render what we've seen.

You’re absolutely right.

And I have a sneaking suspicion Caspian was the one to insist on using nodeJS. Why else would he push through with it for years, esp if he was so sure it was wrong? 😂

This is likely the case, sounds probable. He made all kinds of individual .exes as features, and they never amounted to anything and ate all the resources very quickly. What a nightmare.

He didn't have anything to release dude, developing an mmorpg takes hundreds of millions and hundreds of programmers. He had like 3 programmers for what 6 months? And a budget of 8M total that will get you no-where bro.

@@roserevancroix2308 We know. That's why Caspian is completely deluded, and scammed his backers. Because he could have told them what you just said. He didn't say that he would be unable to release Chronicles of Elyria. He said (and continues to say) the opposite. Nobody forced him to crowdfund a MMO on a comparatively shoestring budget. He was the one asking for money to build CoE. If he knew he wasn't able to make an MMO, he shouldn't have fooled people that he could.

I don't believe that he did. I think he's lying to put the blame on somebody else so he doesn't have to admit he messed up.

I know a couple of people who always find a way to blame others. I think deep down such people are extremely critical of themselves for their mistakes, and in order to get rid of that crushing feeling of guilt, they project onto others. Some people I've talked to think that people who blame others are carefree and think they're perfect. I think it's the opposite. Things like others wouldn't even think twice about are eating these people up inside, because they demand perfection from themselves, but they think they're worthless. Listening to Caspian makes me feel sorry for him, because he just can't let this trainwreck go, but at the same time he's incapable of steering it right. The more he digs down and blame himself for his many failures, the more he projects onto others and the farther he comes from being able to dig himself out of the hole he's in.

@@oliver_twistorAccurate, I have a tendency to blame external factors when I’m not straight up self-deprecating, because I feel terrible about my shortcomings. I can see his behaviour from that lens easily. Except I don’t take 8 mil from people and proceed to take every bad decision possible for years.

@@duntemdraws310 Yes, it's important to keep in mind that regardless of what one is dealing with, there is no excuse for taking millions of dollars from people and not deliver on what's promised.

​@@oliver_twistoryh this, without getting into the full breakdown of costs and exactly how this project was managed, we may never know how much is malice and how much is incompetence. One thing of note is how much was this guy paying himself through salary and dividends, and how many team members were possible friends / relatives. While I agree that 8 million is not that much and the scope of this game was so large no amount of money would hv ever been enough. 8 million should give something?

He's not a wizard bro he cannot control everything and take responsibility for every singel thing that went wrong. Developing a game and having a studio is not a small task - it's a team-effort, and it was his first attempt. Do you think this is easy=? Try starting your own company and hire people and maybe you will see things different.

@@felixader Storrry!

You're exaggerating a bit, it's not that amazing. It is the story of a failed company which is very very common. You know companies fail every day right?

Kiratreu: “Who are you, REALLY ?” CaspiGmork: “I am the servant, of the Power behind The Nothing (project) !” 😅

​@@roserevancroix2308 Yes, but crapfests like this are _fun._

I love how at one point he's bragging about being a team lead at Microsoft, and then says Camelot Unchained was able to overcome challenges because of their industry connections 🤣

@@scabbynack Him being a former team lead at Microsoft explains a lot.

What's the state of Node and multithreading these days? Anyway, him being salty about his programmer: honestly that's on him for not researching this on his own or sticking to his guns. But I don't trust him to know anything about game backend programming the way he spole about all his achievements in that barebones demo, and how cool it is to use git and version control...

I could see node working for caspiens type of mmo, of course he would had to have committed to it and take on it's limits and strengths. Without experience with it though why start?

@@jimpaek multithreading isn't even the only perf issue. off the top of my head: no control over allocation (stack/heap); all temporaries would likely end up on the heap unless you use a JIT compiler that loves you you're at the mercy of the GC; nothing like RAII; you're less able to manage when resources load and free, and a GC pass at the wrong time could cause lag no const references; the only way to grant read-only access to whole objects (think of passing an event struct to several listeners -- the sort of thing a large, complex game would do often) is to pass copies, Proxys, or some custom getter-based wrapper that's basically just a worse Proxy, and this indirection will have some overhead all math is double-precision floating point by default no SIMD, unless someone else writes native-code bindings for you; this may limit how performant things like matrix math in a physics engine can be no operator overloads, so anything in physics or rendering -- vectors, matrices, quaternions -- is gonna be unreasonably painful no compile-time metaprogramming (i.e. constexpr) unless you roll your own i use JS to prototype (heh) ideas all the time, but using it for anything that needs to be high performance is just such a bad idea. it's mindblowing that caspian would actually agree to use JS/TS for an MMO backend, reluctantly or otherwise

Narcissists will say and do just about anything to avoid blame.

Not even "these people". To me it sounds like Caspian thinks everything was going well (minus having too few programmers?) until this one new hire messed up his entire 8 year project. Not even by hijacking and deleting all the data, documentation and backups, but by turning the project around for a few months and then somehow forcing Caspian to sunk-cost himself into continuing with this apparently shitty toolkit.

It was $8M?

I would like to know how he intends to get funding. Like, he keeps talking like he expects people to just give him more money out of pity with the constant "I have depression" and "I just need the funding". It's like, I get it. Depression sucks. But you need to _provide proof_ that anyone should put anymore financial faith in you. Either that, or drop the project. I suggest the latter. Partly for the sake of his mental state, partly because this project will not be completed to ANYONE'S satisfaction.

Add to that, he would rather stay with the JS stuff they barely can work with, rather than salvage what they can and go JS free also says a lot. Yeah, it would be work, but it would mean a much smoother experience afterwards.

Seriously. Even on ten million the cost to unreal would've been 500k. I get it. It's a lot. But what a severe waste of time to make your own engine that'll never be able to compete with unreal. Not even close.

I was blown away before even that. He let a lead dictate the programming language even as he knew from his vast experience and knowledge (TM) that it wouldn’t work. And blames it on… being a “director”? If he was a lead and had IC, would he have been fine with the IC going off and doing his own thing? No?? Then why would you let a lead do it?! It also goes to show he had no set vision, no whitepaper, no internal guidance for his employees. Something as ground level as your language and engine should not be a debate or something you flipflop on a whim. And now that he doesn’t like it, he won’t look at the code!!! So is the game going to magically manifest out of the pile of spaghetti that your lead left? And make no mistake, it’s not the leads fault. He was given permission and support but an utterly incompetent “director” to go ahead.

Why sacrifice 5% of your income, when you can sacrifice 100%!

He doesn’t want to pay the 5% YET still chose to use Unreal and then used a non standard scripting language for it. Then trashed it all. He should have bit the bullet and just rewritten the game logic HIMSELF in C# years ago, and not wasted time writing a single dev journal about it.

For a lil background I'm a software dev of 4 years; but I think I made a little platformer parkour area when I first started to play around with UE5 after watching all the tutorials, guides, and docs. I used all the stock textures and there wasn't much but i managed to add a double jump feature, a slippery ice texture that would make you slide when running on it, a kill zone with a checkpoint so you would respawn right before the platform as well as a win zone, AND a section where the platforms would start to move back and forth only when the character was within a certain range all in about maybe two, three days at most? Absolutely boggles the noggin to see that's the progress they did with 5 whole years.

A bit of an over-reaction don't you think?

Right? It has the hallmarks of everything being *completely* mis-managed behind the scenes.

There may be some statute of limitations, if he keeps this act up long enough eventually people cannot sue him anymore

Hilarious comment. Thanks for the laughs, fellow "sick in the head" audience member.

Amen

@@oliver_twistor he keeps repeatedly mentioning we don't want to watch this. But looking at the stats clearly we do. I'm all in

Speak for yourself kid

Even more Caspian: "WE decided to stop crowdfunding! That was entirely OUR choice!"

Yes I noticed that too

these two things feel like they go hand in hand tbh "let's write the backend for an MMO in an interpreted [or _at best_ JIT'd] language" feels like the kind of decision that would be made and approved by folks who just... aren't used to thinking about how anything should actually work under the hood. MMOs are expensive to run and have to simulate and sync data between huge numbers of players at once; every bit of efficiency counts, and if they're not even properly _considering_ that, then they ain't the type to consider much

This made me think of MLM's, where everyone is a recruiter of other people, and very few are actually selling any products. Because the big bucks aren't made by peddling crappy products nobody wants, it's made by having people under you.

Leading 6 imaginary friends

Since Caspian is from the computer world he should 100% know how this works. If you come in with an idea, like upgrading the systems in your company, they expect that you do your research, wright a report, and explain to them why it is cheaper in the long run to upgrade the systems. "Upgrading will cost us 25k now but with a faster system for our workers the less time they wait per loading request which means they will be having a 10% increase of requests done per day. More requests done for our clients means we can handle more clients and will gain a XX% increase during our next quarter of profits." - quick example. Sounds like he just completely forgot about that fact that he should have been doing himself when he worked for Microsoft as a lead. Honestly, I think he likes to talk himself up when confronted with hard questions like that to boost up his ego since no one else there will do it for him.

🤣

Reading pop philosophy books lol

It's even worse, he could have completed a Masters in Computer Science and almost be done with his Ph.D by now. EDIT: eh, "could" have

Replying to questions with questions.

Working on his latest dev journal

Crying about how Typescript is the enemy, of course

To be fair, a game cannot be made without any funds. It was simply people nolonger trust him. Asking for money to continue the project is basically not wrong.

@@iloveanothermanswives4278 "a game cannot be made without any funds" Someone should warn Caspian then And of course, crowdfunding a game is not wrong on its own, but context is important. After $8 millions and 7 yeas without delivering fuck all, it would be, at best, very irresponsible to raise more money with promises of releasing the final game. I refuse to accept Caspian is that delusional, and the fact he didn't asked for more money is a hint.

@alanrcastro8580 you need to consider other elements, too. First of all, his vision for the game is simply too unrealistic for 8 million dollars. Second, he tried to develop a custom engine and third, his employees were bad at the job and other expenses in game dev that require money. Basically the entire thing was a disaster and Caspian was only a percentage at fault.

@@iloveanothermanswives4278 if 8 million is not enough, maybe asking for only $900,000 in the Kickstarter original goal was a very bad idea. I think we can increase Caspian's percentage of fault a little bit.

​@@iloveanothermanswives4278Bruh, if the people he hired were so mind boggingly incopetent and he decided to develop a custom engine (which is in itself a dumb idea) that's 100% his fault. Those are terrible decisions he made on his own. Refusing to blame him for it by saying it as if they were outside his control is nothing but copium. And, regarding the cost. Yeah, it's not enough for a top tier MMORPG, but it's 100% enough to fund a minimum viable product. He should have something decent to show given the money and time he took.

You must be some kind of super aware person who is just an expert at recognizing a liar then. Thanks for telling us Walsh is lying, we were all expecting him to just release the game because we all believed him bro. Thanks again!

@@JuliusCaesar888 Haha, chill man. Just said that he's a textbook example of a criminal.

Why would it....what?

I think its less than that, or he count stuff thats actually didnt count toward how far along the game is that is playable

i think all programmers are naturally bad at estimating timetables and some of us just learn to double our estimates as a quick hack lol i always round my intuitive guess up to the next span. think it'll be a day? it'll be a week. think it'll be a week? it'll be two. think it'll be two weeks? it'll be one to three months

@@DavidJCobb a few week to a month is one thing,being off by half a decade is another story

@@poonpoon1604 oh i definitely agree

Well if you watched previous videos, Caspian was too humble and let his employees took payment without hardworking, bought them movies and held parties. His biggest mistake was hiring the wrong people and spent the money poorly. What he actually needs is a group of employees that actually know what they are doing and do the job in steady pace with no parties, picnic or any of the wasteful corporate practices.

He doesn't know when to just call it quits. His ego or whatever is making himself dig a hole deeper and deeper.

That must hurt a lot, realizing that you're just too incompetent to realize your dreams. Many people never pursue their dreams and many that do fail.

He's literally putting his kid through college on an entirely failed endeavor with literally nothing to show. Feel bad for someone else 😅

@@im_cart8656 How is he putting his kid through college on a failed endeavour? I don't think his kid is working on the game with him. If anything the kid has more of a future than Caspian and Caspian is juggling a failed game and putting his kid through college, which is actually pretty hard to do, especially if you're running low.

Plus, it's a pretty standard language, especially with TypeScript. I think you'd have to be a pretty junior programmer not to be able to pick it up. Or locked into only one language (even then tbh)

I mostly agree. What I think Caspians main issue with the JS UE bindings is the paradigm shift idiomatic JS can be to someone who may have used C/C++ as their bread and butter for years.

No way it could handle a massive MMO. You're definitely not going to be doing anything that is required to be performant. JS is for websites and cute little 2D games not an $8m MMO.

Why feel bad for him at this point? His whole argument is relying on that "i have the game its almost done" but i wont show it tho trust me that i can do it when he probably can resolved all these doubt with what he actually got so far

He did fire the staff, I believe it wasn't technically illegal because he's still on the hook for the debt? Like he's not eligible for PPP forgiveness so as long as he pays it back it's 'fine' (how he's going to do that I have no clue). That's just based on my memory of previous vids.

To be fair, the unity license is a per install license. So, if he never provides anything to install, there's no fees.