You must be psychic... 🤣 I was just discussing this over the weekend (and my trepidation) with an experienced fancier. He gave me some excellent advice, and now you've just put the icing on the cake! I now have a plan 👊💥
Is it worth mentioning that the chicks have red eyes so you'll know when they hatch that they are cinnamon regardless of how their feather colour appears, i.e.the visually clear\ordinary colour but in reality a cinnamon.
Good vid Matt. Just a wee note on pairing two white ground birds, say 2 fawns like u did last year. While this will produce viable youngsters. It will produce young with a fatal gene, typically 25% of the clutch and won't be viable. Therefore, it's not best practice to pair 2 white ground birds. I'm sure you know this but it skipped your mind. I'll send you something over FB that shows you what expected results are of certain pairings that I find useful that you can pass among your subscribers.
Hi, I put a post on about pairing two dominant whites together but had to amend it and I lost it in the process. I do appreciate that most UK fanciers still believe that the dominant white gene is lethal in its double form. However, if you read the article in this link you'll see that breeders outside of the UK carried out test pairings, and the conclusion was that the double dominant white gene is not lethal. This was proved by the fact that clear white birds appeared that showed no yellowing of the flight or rump feathers, and if two such birds were paired together they produced nothing but visual whites. Continental breeders were able to produce clear whites that judges could not tell from recessive whites by their appearance, and the birds had to be handled to check their skin colour (recessive whites have a purple skin colour). I know that people will believe whatever they think is right, but the facts are all here:- www.spanglefish.com/whitecanarygenetics/
Hi Martin, I noticed that Matt was wondering how he ended up with a yellow ground cinnamon when he had paired a blue to a fawn. If two single factor dominant whites like a fawn and a blue are paired together, the theoretical ratio is 25% yellow ground, 50% single factor dominant white, and 25% double factor dominant white. In a stud of mainly variegated and self birds you wouldn't be able to tell a single from a double factor visually, and as there are no known recessive whites in Fife canaries then the part in that link that applies to them can be disregarded. To be honest it seems that most UK fanciers still just wouldn't pair two dominant whites, as the old books told us it was a no-no. I have no idea how repeat white pairings might affect feather quality or type in non colour breeds, and that isn't mentioned in the text. I kept colour canaries briefly and that's how I came across that article, which is actually on a Lizard site. The jaspe mutation is also dominant, and operates in a similar way, but double factor jaspes can be visually identified, as the mutation causes a double dilution of melanin, so the double factor birds are lighter in colour. I recently noticed that "new colours" have started to be catered for in Glosters, but whether they will catch on with other type breeds remains to be seen. No red factor Glosters yet, but they have red factor Lizards on the continent, so I suppose anything could happen.
Thank you for the info. I have Frills, the hen is a visual cinnamon, male is a green color (presumably carrier for cinnamon gene) . Out of their 3 clutches last season, i had 1 cinnamon chick in each clutch. I was wondering whether i can use a visual cinnamon male with the visual cinnamon hen and have more cinnamon chicks? I was gifted 2 canaries for Chistmas 2 years ago, as pets. The breeder told me i should breed them and see what i get. The cinnamon color birds are quite sought-after in my area in South Africa, hence the original question. Any advice would be appreciated.
Thanks for the message, yes if you pair visual cinnamon to visual cinnamon you will only produce visual cinnamon birds. As you say the cock you have must be split for cinnamon as you’ve produce visual cinnamon young, all of the cocks, because you’ve paired to a cinnamon hen, will be carriers for cinnamon
