The Climate Revolution

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Climate Emergency Forum welcomes Roger Hallam, co-founder of Extinction Rebellion. The discussion delves into the framing of climate change as a political issue rather than a technical one, requiring systemic change to address the crisis effectively.
This video was recorded on May 15th, 2024, and published on May 26th, 2024, and represents the opinions of the discussion participants.
Hallam argues that the term "climate change" was created by the corporate class to downplay the political power dynamics at play, and he stresses that the real issue is the control and influence of carbon industries by powerful elites.
Hallam advocates for a revolution, not just in the context of climate but as a broader societal change, to shift the decision-making power from the elites to the public. He highlights the importance of building coalitions across various social movements, including those focused on democracy, social issues, and climate, to challenge the governing class's failure to protect the public from harm. He also underscores the need for public figures, scientists, and intellectuals to be more actively involved in social change movements, as they were in past significant societal shifts.
The effectiveness of different forms of activism, such as civil disobedience and mass demonstrations is discussed. Hallam points out that while some actions may turn people off, they can also inspire others and bring attention to critical issues. He emphasizes the need for a coordinated strategy that includes various forms of protest and public engagement to create structural changes necessary for addressing the climate crisis.
Hallam emphasizes holding policymakers accountable and pushing for legally binding citizens' assemblies to ensure that the public has a say in climate-related decisions.
Links:
- Roger Hallam's Website
rogerhallam.com/
- Extinction Rebellion activists glue themselves to European Commission HQ
www.politico.eu/article/extin...
- NASCAR - National Association for Stock Car Auto Racing
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NASCAR
- Just Stop Oil activists throw tomato soup at Van Gogh's Sunflowers
www.theguardian.com/environme...
- Increase in concerns about climate change following climate strikes and civil disobedience in Germany
www.nature.com/articles/s4146...
- Peter Kalmus
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_K...)
- This Scientist Was Fired for Her Activism. She Says It's Not Going to Stop Her
gizmodo.com/rose-abramoff-sci...
- Chaos in the Climate Casino (CEF Video)
• Chaos in the Climate C...
- Designing the Revolution
activisthandbook.org/resource...
- Global Tipping Points Report 2023
global-tipping-points.org/sum...
- Huge Moment for Justice
www.commondreams.org/news/201...
Special Guest:
Roger Hallam - is a British environmental activist and co-founder of Extinction Rebellion. He was previously an organic farmer in South Wales, where his business was severely impacted by extreme weather events attributed to climate change. He studied civil disobedience at King's College London, where he researched how to achieve social change through radical movements. His methods often involve non-violent civil disobedience, including hunger strikes and mass protests, aimed at compelling governments to take urgent action on climate change. Hallam has been arrested multiple times for his activism and continues to advocate for systemic change to address the climate emergency.
Regular Panelists:
Dr. Peter Carter - MD, Expert IPCC Reviewer and the director of the Climate Emergency Institute
Paul Beckwith - Climate Systems Scientist. Professor at the University of Ottawa's Paleoclimatology Laboratory as well as at Carleton University
Regina Valdez - Program Director, Climate Reality Project, NYC. GreenFaith Fellow and LEED Green Associate
Video Production and Panelists:
Charles Gregoire - Electrical Engineer, Webmaster and IT prime for FacingFuture.Earth & the Climate Emergency Forum; Climate Reality Leader
Heidi Brault - Video production and website assistant, Organizer and convener, Metadata technician, COP team lead for FacingFuture.Earth and the Climate Emergency Forum; BA (Psychology); Climate Reality Leader
Our Website:
climateemergencyforum.org/
Attributions:
Background Music:
- Title: Through the City II
- Author: Crowander
- Source: Free Music Archive
- License: CC BY-NC 4.0
Image and Video: climateemergencyforum.org/ass...

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@OscarBernhardt Месяц назад

Great to see Roger Hallam on the program.

@TennesseeJed Месяц назад

Thanks for having Roger on!

@heidibrault1313 Месяц назад

You're welcome!

@terencefield3204 Месяц назад

This is presented as a mechanism to allow this man to prosecute his social economic cultural and political preferences. That is counterproductive for those of us who wish real intelligent radical efforts may be made to slow the acceleration to a hot house earth condition where most life is expunged, or greatly diminished. Add to that that Hallam seems not the sharpest knife in the draw. Please do not do this again.

@brianwheeldon4643 Месяц назад

I totally agree with Peter, Paul, Roger and Regina. It's a no-brainer, way to go.

@bingbangboom1239 Месяц назад

@@terencefield3204 Seas are NOT rising and CO2 fertilization has increased global vegetation by 20%. Deserts are shrinking and vegetation increasing in hot and cold deserts. 2.24+ million square kilometer of NEW forests have grown (over and above deforestation) globally in the last 50 years. Our biosphere is growing and Earth has more plants, animals, fungi and bacteria than any time since humans are walking the land. We should celebrate CO2, instead of hyperventilating about it. There is no crisis.

@BombusMonticola Месяц назад

Well done Regina great hosting. I could see the wheels turning within your mind as you considered the framing and possibilities it brings us. Let us never forget the power of networking women with compassionate hearts enabling change in homes and society across our lands.

@russtaylor2122 Месяц назад

Fantastic presentation, all of you! If there's anyone chronicling the events happening now, in the future, you will all be judged with respect and foresight. Thank you all.

@Lyra0966 Месяц назад

Gotta lover Mr Hallam. How to call for and try to bring about the downfall of the entire system of governmental exploitation and control with a smile on your face and a hearty chuckle.

@mrrecluse7002 Месяц назад

Agree. Lose your sense of humor, in these circumstances, and one may lose the ability to deal with the problem.

@ReynoldsAudioProduction Месяц назад

It is astonishing how assiduously climate activists avoid the term overpopulation. While political and economic disruption are certainly required, it is naive to imagine mitigation of the multiple threats posed by ecological overshoot with a population that is quadruple capacity.

@TobinMiller-el6yk Месяц назад

Two comments: I believe only one country in the world (Israel) has a fertility rate above 2.1, so the population will trend down in the near-term. Also, if you want to address overshoot, begin your spay/neuter program with middle- and upper-middle-class Westerners, who consume a greatly disproportionate share of resources. Barbie can live, she just can't have children, vacation in the carib, drive an F-150, live in an outsized house, drink bottled water, etc., so that 20 Burkina Fasian farmers may live.

@achenarmyst2156 29 дней назад

@@TobinMiller-el6ykYou are wrong with the global fertility rates. Especially in Africa there are several countries with fertility rates exceeding 3.

@achenarmyst2156 29 дней назад

What do you mean by „capacity“? Capacity depends on individual ecological footprints. Our planet has a carrying capacity for 10 billion humans provided Americans reduce their living standard by the factor of 5, Europeans by the factor of 3.

@PhantasmalBlast 20 дней назад

There’s good reasons it’s avoided: because overpopulation rhetoric often leads to suggesting frightening authoritarian actions that severely limit human freedom, often disproportionately targeting disadvantaged groups. Secondly, it is not the primary drive of all this. Even if you reduced population growth but stuck to an economic model that demands infinite growth and resource exploitation, at some point you would run into the same problem, just with fewer people but still using massive amounts of resources and causing pollution.

@anthonydavies6021 Месяц назад

Well done for giving Roger this opportunity. I know from a limited involvement with XR that he doesn't sugar-coat the pill, also that he is prepared to make serious personal sacrifice for what he believes in. As he and Peter say, our political, economic (and social) structures are designed to facilitate absolutely unsustainable and criminal levels of growth. The spread of the class of the mega-rich in the 21st century exactly mirrors extreme climate jeopardy and growing impoverishment across the globe. Established news media (with honourable exceptions like The Guardian) are in the hands of the elite, so only serve to obfuscate or deliberately contradict the economic and climate realities on the ground. There's no getting away from Roger's insistence that coordinated mass action by citizens is the only way that fundamental change will occur, however challenging that process may be for us as individuals, especially in the face of sometimes brutal opposition from the established political elites.

@kiwifromnz1953 Месяц назад

In the last 100 years hundreds of millions of people have moved out of poverty but you claim that impoverishment increased

@achenarmyst2156 28 дней назад

@@kiwifromnz1953 hundreds of millions escaped poverty mainly in South East Asia. In other parts, esp. Africa, poverty and hunger are on their way forward again.

@lesterdalley5993 Месяц назад

Revolutions have never achieved much. Once the revolutionaries win their leaders slot into the remains of the old economic/power structure and replicate the old order.

@PhantasmalBlast 20 дней назад

Is this an expression of doom and futility? Or faith that the current system will figure it out?

@tamlynmcdonald8312 Месяц назад

Thank you for platforming Roger!! You folks are doing a fantastic job!

@juliebarks3195 Месяц назад

The best most informative place to be. Have an award.

@heidibrault1313 Месяц назад

Thank you so much for your support!

@cbromley562 Месяц назад

As everyone agreed, more of this interaction and discussion, with people from all disciplines, is what's needed. Along with down to earth language and imagery. One of the best episodes!

@heidibrault1313 Месяц назад

Thanks for your support.

@maggieadams8600 Месяц назад

He's so good at encapsulating the problem and solution, thank you!

@heidibrault1313 Месяц назад

Yes, he's excellent.

@terencefield3204 Месяц назад

No he is not

@elainebraindrain3174 Месяц назад

Sad the monkeys dying, falling out of trees, from heat😢

@dion8962 Месяц назад

The brown pelicans of sf bay starvin to death

@thunderstorm6630 Месяц назад

@@dion8962 really?

@globalwarming382 Месяц назад

2021 In Australia hundreds of bats died from heat

@PhantasmalBlast 20 дней назад

This is almost a haiku, a terribly sad one.

@benbashore8561 Месяц назад

Bravo. Good fit with Roger.🌝

@NeverCryWolf64 Месяц назад

This is the most important show this channel has ever produced. All future shows on this channel must always integrate discussion of how we begin the revolution, and also of the kind of world we need to create post revolution.

@bangelos1380 Месяц назад

A not insignificant part of society sees things the other way around. The efforts to combat climate change, which in their eyes does not exist, and which the elites are demanding of them, are threatening citizens. Is the danger of a revolution from this side not greater at the moment than the chance of a revolution as you describe it here? I have concerns in this direction, and am afraid of it. That would be a question for the sociologist Roger Sallam.

@bangelos1380 Месяц назад

To clarify, I don't want to be misunderstood, I don't belong to the part of society I've described in my comment. I've only described it. For me, combating climate change is the most pressing task of the coming decades. Revolutions aren't my thing, I'm a physicist. When it comes to revolution, I have a gut feeling that we can't afford a revolution that destroys first. We have to get by with the system we have, somehow. But that doesn't mean that I'm against activism, on the contrary. Anything that helps more people understand the urgency is good.

@russtaylor2122 Месяц назад

I guess we can all only do the 'right thing' as we see it, not being able to make anyone else understand our truth? Look at the divisions in the US, people in the cult of trumpf think he's the new messiah! How don't they see the truth?

@PhantasmalBlast 20 дней назад

It certainly is incredibly dicey, the other thing I fear is that long protracted violence and warfare vastly increases emissions and destabilizes climate mitigating systems. Like if a country is collapsing over the span of a decade, chances are it’s not also still conducting climate research, building renewables, or maintaining levees, at least not to the degree it would be with stability. But if that stability comes from the current status quo, idk it seems like a no-win situation.

@trulyaghast9712 Месяц назад

What an incredible cast of characters, and tremendous discussion. Thank you, Regina!

@user-tv5ic7hu9d Месяц назад

Revolution or collapse ? Another banger Roger Hallam and team ✊🏽🏴‍☠️🌏 THE PEOPLE UNITED WILL NEVER BE DEFEATED 💖

@louishennick6883 Месяц назад

Thanks for having Roger on your show. He really has the right idea. His perseverance should be a contagious example for all of us to follow Reform is either just too slow or completely stagnant. Revolution is the only way

@BombusMonticola Месяц назад

Excellent. Many thanks for letting Roger explain himself. Many thanks to your positive reactions. We are all in reality all in this together. We must try to ensure a humane future for us all as a collective. We can't do this alone.

@chris4973 Месяц назад

Something to reflect upon… humane. When have humans ever been ‘Humane’ in the sense you obviously mean?

@louishennick6883 Месяц назад

Sure I’ve seen people be humane. We are capable of that just as we are capable of committing atrocities. It’s just that what an ‘everything-up-for-grabs’ society defines as “success” in is hardly achieved by humane acts

@BombusMonticola Месяц назад

@@chris4973 that's precisely the point I am trying to make. That we need to consciously plan for a humane way of dealing with each other within the community and by community such as the inevitable wrangling over resources and humane ways of collectively trying to avoid suffering and protecting each other when under the enormous inevitable stress and difficulties we don't descend into a survival of the fittest and fascist version of events.

@user-lw6qj1yn7h Месяц назад

You need more mainstream celebrities to directly communicate your message

@RobertJohnson-gj3cl Месяц назад

The situation of a high energy technological society controlled by a political money price system results in disorder suffering and death.

@user-pv9tl4wz5l Месяц назад

I am of the opinion that people will carry on working like dogs until they "see for themselves" the horrors that Nature is very capable of. Wisdom used to be sought and revered so you could guide your Children Wisely. How many parents today would state "I am going to be late for work" in a calm manner and be quite relaxed about being late. It does happen when you have Children but these day parents are more inclined to get irate, stressed and drive in an unsafe manner to avoid the unavoidable. That is why we Humans will not "Avoid the Avoidable". That requires wisdom, thought and prioritising the essential from the unnecessary. We could all live comfortably on 1 Ton of CO2 per year, 50 Grams of Protein per day, and indeed non essential travel. That would cut emissions by 80%. But there is no such leadership, no such care for the future of our children, let alone the other millions of animal that we refuse to share this Earth with.

@mrrecluse7002 Месяц назад

And the Stock Market still parties like it's 1999. They will go down with the ship, as the band did on the Titanic. And yes, I'm also partial to the countless, totally innocent species, paying the price in this mass extinction event.

@StabilisingGlobalTemperature Месяц назад

Why did he have to drive all the way to London from Wales to deliver vegetables? That is at least 280 miles round trip. Surely some people in Wales eat vegetables too?

@compostjohn Месяц назад

Roger is a great thinker.

@brianwheeldon4643 Месяц назад

Wow, thank you everyone. This is the most productive video I have seen integrating and including the science of social tipping point reality with the hard science of climate, physics and geobiological science. This is a clear and important step forward to regime and system change including the simultaneous deliberative democratic process of community assemblies. Putting the people in charge, giving people the responsibility for the life of their communities and nature.

@timeenoughforart Месяц назад

Citizens panels is an interesting idea. We feel hopeless in the face of corporate capture of our governments and our very lives. I don't have any real choice about purchasing products. Amazon or Walmart both sell Chinese garbage designed to break. 70% of the US supports reform of our medical system, but every laws just makes corporations richer. We face massive upheaval due to AI but the corporations see no choice but to go full steam ahead. Our governments act powerless. Another change I would love to see is giving nature "Rights". The Colorado river should have the right to see the ocean. The Columbia river should have the right to have Salmon spawn. It is just a shift from human centrist to life centrist. It might take another few hundred years, or just maybe we could do it next week.

@voltrevolt8731 Месяц назад

Good stuff. Couldn’t agree more with Peter’s assertion that scientists need to be more involved, as some scientists have been involved in social movements in the past - Marie Curie’s daughter and her husband, for instance, were active antifascists in the 1930s, and were also strong advocates for women’s equality and feminism. Marie Curie, of course, attended an underground university in Warsaw, when women were banned from higher education. Being a good scientist and being involved in social struggle ado not have to be at odds.

@petrlonsky2332 Месяц назад

We should adress this problem with fossil fuel industry as the problem with tobacco industry. They are killing us! All of us, not only those who are addicted, this is big difference with nicottine. We should call fossil fuel industry right name, nobody will replace water with oil. 🌍🕊 and those addicted should be reminded, in how big illussion they have been lived. Thank you for this show. You have to go on TV 👍

@mrs.seaturtle66allen78 Месяц назад

Have you parked your car and shut off your heat?

@chris4973 Месяц назад

Do please read Power, by Heinberg (referenced above in another comment). You will then understand why Hallam will never be permitted to speak on MSM (main stream media). MSM is owned by those who have a vested interest that things not change. Hence, they put out the (propaganda) message that things are fine

@OrianJamieson28 Месяц назад

such a good episode! thankyou for discussing how to make social change a reality

@heidibrault1313 Месяц назад

You're welcome and thank you.

@simonBailey-dy3qy Месяц назад

Keep fighting

@mariaamparoolivergarza8933 Месяц назад

One of your best episodes!!!! Thanks!!!! Here in Mexico very little resistance yet, but working on it.

@christill Месяц назад

Exactly. I’ve been saying this myself for maybe 5 or so years now. That only a revolution can change the course we’re on at all. Democracy has failed, and is still failing now. For example the Dutch general election, the upcoming EU elections, the upcoming UK general election. All of those have or will backslide on climate change as a central issue. I was exasperated in 2010 when this wasn’t the case, and thought it would change for 2015. It did very slightly. But since then it’s been backwards more and more. The longer we go along, the more obvious it becomes that democracy as it exists now cannot, and will not do anything to help our situation. It can only make it worse. A total system change is required.

@GoingSouth Месяц назад

Hola! 💚

@JimmyMarquardsen Месяц назад

I'm just saying that Gaia is a conscious being. And I don't care if you believe me.

@treefrog3349 Месяц назад

It is easier for me to believe in Gaia consciousness than all the other-man-made wack -a--doodle belief systems put together.

@rinnin Месяц назад

Would be great to have a podcast version of your interviews to go alongside the videos. I know you might have graphs sometimes too but people can always come back to the videos to see these. Much better to be out walking, planting etc while listening on headphones than being stuck indoors watching a screen that uses up more carbon. Worth a thought? 🙏🌍🌱

@ClimateEmergencyForum Месяц назад

That's a great idea!

@ErnestOfGaia Месяц назад

Can we deny and revoke corporate charters from corporations that polute the atmosphere?

Месяц назад

Thank you! Spreading news

@ianboreham7669 Месяц назад

Thanks for this

@ClimateEmergencyForum Месяц назад

You're welcome.

@StabilisingGlobalTemperature Месяц назад

The problem is that these protests are alienating ordinary people from the cause. It is really important that those concerned with climate matters are considerate of the needs of others. Blocking ambulances is seen as beyond any rationality. And in some cases protesters blocked electric cars too.

@PhantasmalBlast 20 дней назад

Yeah blocking ambulances feels like taking it out on people who are in their worst moments. It’s hard because quiet and unobtrusive protest is by definition ignorable. Ideally they’d target people at the top but that’s incredibly difficult and risky. I’m not sure what the right move is. Cause I’ve been calling my representatives and posting online and let me tell ya it doesn’t seem to be working.

@chris4973 Месяц назад

Absolutely! While I don’t agree with everything he writes )I find him overly optimistic and likely blinded by his own privileged position to reality) Richard Heinberg’s book Power: Limits and Prospects for Human Survival is an important read on this topic

@HeatherNokes Месяц назад

Thanks Regina. On the subject of people reaching their limits, what do you think about the volcanic situation at Campi Flegrie in Italy? It seems people are only just really waking up to the seriousness of the situation they are living in. It feels like a parallel of the climate situation, where the seriousness is being downplayed or not acknowledged by the authorities, and even in the worldwide media. The issue is so potentially large and catastrophic, and people are just living anxiously in that uncertainty. If it happens it sounds like the world would experience a fast forward of climate chaos on many levels, throwing all existing climate change predictions out the window. Is this a subject worth looking into? It's on my mind, interested to hear what you all make of it.

@Silks- Месяц назад

✊

@Silks- Месяц назад

I’m looking forward to the big march in London next month so see like-minded people and put a bit of pressure on the powers that be. I have a lot of respect for Rodger, the books/podcasts/debates by him (and Rupert Reed) were great. The movement gave me an escape from defeatism and offered me something to dedicate myself to (the first time I’ve ever been compelled to do so). Unfortunately in recent zoom training sessions I was pushed away from the group due to questioning some concerns about the recent additions in the ideology of the movement which is a massive shame and has made me more aware of the real concerns of this movement if it managed to take power. My concerns stemmed from the reaction I received when I calmly questioned at the end the purpose of being told we had to put our pronouns before our display name, I stated that it doesn’t bother me personally however it sends a strong virtue signalling that many get annoyed with (and I can see why). They also set rules that we weren’t allowed to drink or smoke because it can trigger people. So I mentioned these and questioned whether this is their own personal rules, have the organisation made it policy higher up, does it extend beyond the zoom call, and if they took power would this all be enforced and how far will it go? They responded by dismissing the concerns and saying “if you don’t like it you should leave, we don’t want the far-right with us anyway” and so I left. I’m a Corbynite so far from right wing. My concern is how far will they take these rules? How strictly will they enforce them? How unbearable will a society be if they adopt/enforce all of these far-left ideology, and will it continue to become even more detached from reality? I was planning on joining the march under the XR banner, but now I have to go with the National Trust. It was a huge blow to me as I’d read the XR books, seen all the podcasts, watched Roger’s debates and talks, finally thought there was something worth fighting for then pow I became disillusioned by it so suddenly. This comment isn’t to try and persuade people against joining, I still believe it’s better than the alternatives that will become more clear as the catastrophe worsens, just keep in mind what I’ve said and don’t think it’s a prefect alternative. I’m now back to defeatism but I’m just focusing on myself now. I’ve quit my job, staying back at parents on benefits, spending my days going on long walks/whittling, cooking, Patel tennis, staying up-to-date with climate effects and just chilling out. We don’t have long left and I’m content with my new path. It’s not an exciting path like XR offered, but I’m okay with that. I couldn’t live with myself if I was involved in a movement seizing power that turns authoritarian. I (possibly selfishly) choose to live peacefully and mindfully in the end times.

@kurtklingbeil6900 Месяц назад

Robespierre worked out a solution centuries ago. A decentralized distributed pre-emptive re-enactment without the performative public spectacle must be engaged ...

@nonearlylove Месяц назад

Paul Beckwith is definately my 'Go to' guy..! Really really appreciate his work..!

@platklump 24 дня назад

Excellent talk! At various points I wanted to make a comment but Roger always beat me to it. The capitalist class knows that the capitalist economy would tank if we prioritise people and the planet above profits. That's why people don't have a direct say about fossil fuel subsidies. Here in Europe we vote for a policitian to act on our behalf for 4 years, with no way to directly influence them, let alone recall them. They will decide on their own that our taxes will be going to wars, fossil fuel subsidies or to help out too big to fail companies that have wrecked the environment for decades. The politicians themselves will never bring about positive change unless it fits in the existing system somehow, which is why climate change will only be adressed very slowly and only if profits can be made. You can´t vote in prioritising the planet over profits because the current system is working as intended and the people don´t have a say in the matter. Therefore either the capitalist system has to change which has never happened, or direct democracy will ruin it by accident. In Europe we´ll probably end up with the far right at the helm because all this anti-capitalist and direct democracy talk is too socialist, which is scary to most people because the red scare never ended.

@snowjoe43 Месяц назад

Great session!

@heidibrault1313 Месяц назад

Thanks!

@manfredmarth5825 Месяц назад

this conv' was overdue thanks

@ErnestOfGaia Месяц назад

#XR

@johnkintree763 Месяц назад

We are at the threshold of building a global digital platform that can have conversations with millions of people around the world at the same time, and merge the knowledge and sentiment expressed in those conversations into representations of the collective will of humanity. Then, tell elected "representatives" to go home.

@Muddslinger0415 Месяц назад

I can not wait to abolish wealth

@alan2102X Месяц назад

Please say a few more words about the "global digital platform", and how it differs from (or exists as part of?) the current internet.

@johnkintree763 Месяц назад

@@alan2102X My hope is to have a conversational language model running on my smartphone that can extract knowledge and sentiment from my public statements, and merge those entities and relationships into a decentralized global graph database. The software becomes a tool for language translation, fact checking, and deliberation for citizens assemblies and direct decision making from the local to the global scale.

@treefrog3349 Месяц назад

The collective will of humanity was captured by the global plutocracy long ago. They have already created a population of sheep on auto-pilot. They will own and control information and belief systems as they arise. Democracy is already dead, transformed in to orchestrated political theater. Look no further than our up-coming election.

@dion8962 Месяц назад

Aint gonna happen.. we love our cozy lifestyles waaaAy to much

@JoeCoxJodo Месяц назад

Certainly more than a techno-feudal dystopian tyranny, we do....

@TheDoomWizard Месяц назад

Boom. We're done.

@EmeraldView Месяц назад

The problem is if we are successful in convincing people that we face a VERY dire situation and manage to turn things around to keep the worst happening, people will believe that all the actions and changes we embarked on (MAJOR societal and global level changes needed) weren't actually necessary and we can go back to business as usual. How do you convince people that a terrible event that DIDN'T happen, didn't happen because you took some difficult and significant action that many already don't believe is needed.

@ReesCatOphuls Месяц назад

??? Terrible events are locked in. They are happening as we speak. ~50C in Pakistan and Mexico this week. We have plenty more lags, feedbacks and faustian bargains in the pipeline. Economic growth ain't stopping by choice any time soon. One hell of a ride incoming.

@PhantasmalBlast 20 дней назад

The other frightening thing I’ve been seeing is how quickly some folks pivot from denial or apathy straight into fascistic fear spirals. Going from “Climate change isn’t a big deal, we don’t need to do anything” right into “We need to lock down our borders and protect our interests. Refugees are not our problem.”

@treefrog3349 Месяц назад

Roger Hallam just happened to be DRIVING back from delivering organic vegetables. Our collective conundrum in a nutshell. To be intellectually oblivious to that paradox defies rationality. The humane heart and intention of this podcast is admirable. The self-delusional assumptions of it are much less so.

@Silks- Месяц назад

Modern agriculture relies on using some fuel. To keep your head above water in the modern age we have to use some resources of some sort. It’s not hypocritical to call out the fact we use far too much fossil fuel while using some yourself (as long as you limit use to necessity). A different example could be that you can acknowledge or even speak out against the dangers of social media whilst using it yourself. It wasn’t a paradox. You clearly don’t have a good understanding of his views and the movements manifesto. The way you write’s pseudointellectual and I reckon you’re not as clever as you think you are.

@wegder Месяц назад

Coal-fired power plants in China generate over half of the world's coal-fired power and a significant portion of China's electricity. In 2023, coal accounted for 39.9% of China's electricity supply, while non-fossil fuels like nuclear and renewables accounted for 53.9%. However, China is responsible for 95% of new coal power construction in 2023, with 70.2 GW of new construction underway, which is 19 times more than the rest of the world. As of August 29, 2023, China has 243 GW of new coal power approved or under construction

@TheDanEdwards Месяц назад

And yet the per capita CO2 emissions in China are still much less than say in the US.

@TobinMiller-el6yk Месяц назад

Here's the problem: The US, Great Britain, and Europe based their economic success on fossil fuels. The US, in particular, is the largest historical emitter of GHGs. How can these countries go to China--or any other country developing its fossil resources--and say, "we have a very big problem, so to help us fix that problem, you can't do what we did. You have to have "clean hands" to make such a request. The only alternative is to pay to help countries like China wean themselves off of fossil fuels more rapidly.

@PhantasmalBlast 20 дней назад

@@TobinMiller-el6yk Not to mention that a non-insignificant amount of china’s emissions comes from the manufacturing of goods for U.S. companies and consumers. We offloaded a lot of the more intensive production processes for many industries onto China, it makes sense they are going to burn energy to meet that demand. Not saying that doesn’t need to change as well, but usually the “what about China” argument is just an excuse to say that western countries shouldn’t have to do anything.

@treefrog3349 Месяц назад

America's top-down governmental indifference to the blatant human atrocities in Gaza are not very encouraging as they pertain to humanitarian issues. What bigger humanitarian issue is there than "climate change" which is the conscious destruction of Earth's "life support system". As Dr. Davide Suzuki aptly pointed out : "A human can live three minutes without breathable air, a few days without drinkable water, and a few weeks without food". As a species we are knowingly jeopardizing all three. Where is there ANY wisdom in that?

@psikeyhackr6914 Месяц назад

So where are climate activists talking about Planned Obsolescence. How much CO2 is the result of unnecessary manufacturing due to planned obsolescence? Then there is the depreciation of all of the garbage products. What is Net Domestic Product? Our brilliant economists only put the depreciation of Capital Goods like industrial robots and 18-wheel trucks into there equation. Where is the data on the automobiles that have been trashed since Sputnik? There were 200,000,000 motor vehicles in the United States in 1995. Where did the depreciation go? Ever heard an economist sat that accounting/finance should have been mandatory in high schools since Sputnik?

@PhantasmalBlast 20 дней назад

I don’t understand, ending planned obsolescence and waste is pretty key to a lot of climate activists positions. Every person concerned about climate I have ever listened to is also on the side of Right to Repair laws and banning single use plastics (which are basically just planned obsolescence for containers, utensils and packaging when you think about it). Not to mention the idea of designing products with an end of life recycling plan in place before they can go to production. Industrial CO2 emissions are a huge problem and climate activists are very aware of that. It’s why there’s a ton of conversation about the right implementation of electric vehicles, because without rethinking the way we produce, repair, and retire vehicles, it’s basically just kicking the can down the road.

@SeventhCircleID Месяц назад

The biggest concern I have is with the language used, it's getting extreme, and it's bordering on conspiracy theory nutballs raging on about elites and revolution and whatnot... the reality of the situation is that we have an older generation who never saw this as their problem to solve, and still don't. I would agree, not all of them followed this path, but the majority did, some going as far as accepting there was nothing they could do or no solution to it so they simply focused instead on making their lives as comfortable as possible before the big collapse came. That generation own most of the resources, they own most of the assets, they hold the majority of political power which steers the direction of the economy. It's been that way for fifty years, and the hard truth everyone needs to accept is that they were the ones that steered us here, collectively under a democratic process, not some faceless evil elite. It's all well and good raging on about the evils of capitalism, but the reality is our economic system barely looks like a capitalist system at all by any traditional definition, society is sliding backwards into a post-truth dark age, and our economic systems have gone exactly the same way, regressing into a mercantile/feudal array of waring monopolies and corporations which -as they've always done in history- means the extraction of rent everywhere, from everyone, employed purely in service of supporting the very same older generation that have left us in such desperate circumstances in the first place. Unless you have some way of breaking that diffuse power base, altering that collective social inertia, my advice is buckle up, because it's going to be one wild damn ride... and it makes me so damn sad to see it happen... it would have been so easy to solve fifty years ago.

@Encephalitisify Месяц назад

Are the effects waned because the corporate news isn’t showing it?

@Coniungere Месяц назад

We called the human race because we are in a race, it is between common sense & nonsense, you choose a side, this earth has reservations for huge complacency, but draws the line if its indigenous population is just too fickle & stubborn to do something other than tolerate & accept its demise under a cloak of fear, earth has its own survival mechanism to which no one knows at what point its activated. If you don't care then what happens is well deserved, but everyone knows the consequences & all this can be seen in what is happening right now, the way things actually are & the way we as a species actually feel. If all this needs explaining, then it's a shame. We cannot stand idle carrying on the same o expecting any other a different result other than global warming, & don't look for an excuse when its obviously insanity, its irrelevant, we have to do something before something happens because we done little to nothing, brothers & Sisters, may I introduce you to real common sense, its actions & if you don't do it now, we all do it together June 22nd 2024, the day we made them realise that earth is not anyone's possession & we ain't working like tools looking like busy fools while this planet prepares our own fate because we chose 2nd best & to lose this race, surely we not that stupid, nature does not chose losers, it allows it to become part of the food chain. ❤✊️🌍

@robaire.b Месяц назад

Too often, unfortunately, scientists are leaned on or have direct requests to desist, from their professors, departments (or hospital administrations if they are healthcare professionals) when they overtly engage in action that is deemed political or critical of the economic structure, fossil fuel industry or agribusiness. Corporate/institutional interests are seen to be damaged or tarnished by ‘maverick’ activist employees who should stay in line and stick to their science or clinical practice or lose their credibility and, of course, career prospects. Perhaps a social tipping point will be reached when expressing concern and activism is no longer seen as radical

@cityofwelland634 Месяц назад

Excellent video. It is so true that there will be a tipping point in patience and then the crap will hit the fan and people will demand change. I personally cannot stand Donald Trump but his bull crap may have a serious impact on accelerating this change. He totally doesn't give a rat's ass about anything but his rich buddies and to hell with everything and everyone. Our future will be interesting.

@dougsherman1562 Месяц назад

It's an ancient, amazing human story: the high priests tell the village that people must offer a sacrifice to the gods to ensure a good harvest. Nothing changes in human behavior, just the scary story.

@pack54956 Месяц назад

Think we have a little more science at our fingertips these days , if I understand you're angle you are saying this is much a do about nothing? I need a quickie shut down denial clip, maybe ice melting, smart scientist like the Russian woman crying about the methane bomb.... Elon almost crying about our, "experiment", before Fn up what could have been a great message piece, compromised to hell by smoking a J for 1 second... guess character assassination would still occur...

@mrrecluse7002 Месяц назад

This time it will be more than a story. It will be more consequential than the worst events of history, if we continue to take it so lightly.

@treefrog3349 Месяц назад

So true. So true.

@anamariacarvalho6738 Месяц назад

Tô build a protocolo like this is complicado, however, I thonk we are able

@karlad4082 Месяц назад

Americans have an option in 2024 to vote differently to save our planet and stop wars for profits. Jill Stein for President 🙏🏼

@kiedranFan2035 Месяц назад

Hey man, We are on time and will get things done on time if you just accept that the lives of most people will be in the hands of nature. There is just one change to make, and that is to creat a system that can function while that is playing out and dont let the emotional hysteria of most people to casue a colapse. In short, dont care how things get done, only care about that it does get done and the more nature does it the more it shouldnt our business to care what the fate of the human indiviguals are. Our focus should be the collective and to ensure civilization continues despite the pain that will come and not the other way around. embrace darwinian sacrifices as i have. Thinking like a human has become a liability.

@PhantasmalBlast 20 дней назад

This is pretty evil thinking, tantamount to saying “Let poor eat eachother, as long as some of us wealthy make it I don’t care.” Because at the end of the day that’s what “let nature take its course” means. There are billions of people in countries that have been brutally exploited for centuries, and then to say that it’s “nature’s call” that they are the most vulnerable is ridiculous. As far as I can see, if you’ve benefited from the labor and minerals of exploited people, you have a responsibility to try to help them.

@VideoconferencingUSA 21 день назад

Nice job

@ClimateEmergencyForum 21 день назад

Thanks!

@Yorkshireasaurus Месяц назад

Very interesting interview. Insightful.

@ClimateEmergencyForum Месяц назад

Thanks for listening

@anamariacarvalho6738 Месяц назад

You know us impossible tô not contributo tô The taxas. However my will is tô stop paining taxas. Onde us useless tô pay it ....

@RajendraTayya-rh9mk Месяц назад

Perceptual issues are originally at the personal level prior to how we think the physical world can be leading to the climate change emergency we are facing today.

@HopeForPeaceNow Месяц назад

I listened in on the recent XR national call, the theme seemed to me to be that they are not political. mostly they like to dress up and do actions that annoy voters.

@rogerlong6969 Месяц назад

Save the Earth, don’t give birth!

@publicdomain1103 Месяц назад

ShakeUp XR

@HopeForPeaceNow Месяц назад

Imagine you are on the way to a drs appointment you waited months for and you miss it because of aq protest, or you traveled thousands of miles to see a museum that is impacted by such a protest and you miss the chance ... screwing up people's lives is never going to work. ever. stop doing it. YOU make it worse.

@timwmartin17 Месяц назад

Imagine no drs appointments or museums on a dead planet. What's wrong with YOU that you can't see this, denial?

@user-qd1zm6zm2m Месяц назад

I don't know why they are not telling people, climate change is here and I know what going to happen. more Earth quakes and droughts and tornado wildfires flooding volcano now !! we need to start thinking about growing are own food !! 3-5 years left so go home and be with family and stay safe, sad it doesn't have to be like this. tornado like f-15 f20 think about it,.

@davidhilderman Месяц назад

You perfectly exemplify climate alarmists in listing volcanoes. Thanks for clarifying.

@Corrie-fd9ww Месяц назад

@davidhilderman and you perfectly exemplify people who know nothing about ecology and earth’s interconnected systems, all of which are in a state of collapse (not just climate) Of course earthquakes and volcanic eruptions increase with rapidly shifting weight on tectonic plates and fault lines.

@davidskudder2869 25 дней назад

Earthquakes are caused by climate change, hahahaha

@PhantasmalBlast 20 дней назад

@@Corrie-fd9wwI don’t think there’s any science to support that earthquakes or volcanic activity are related to climate change. When people refer to increased frequency of natural disasters they mean the kind that are related to severe weather, atmosphere and water, so hurricanes, tornadoes, droughts, floods, heatwaves, etc. These are all based on weather patterns that are sensitive to atmospheric temperature which affects pressure and evaporation and things like that. As far as I know plate tectonics are kinda fully separate. Like I’m sure there’s some amount of interaction with the chemistry of the atmosphere and oceans but probably on the scale of hundreds of millions of years. Like I know volcanoes can affect the atmosphere, but I don’t think it goes the other way.

@anamariacarvalho6738 Месяц назад

Polícia makers should be sue

@monkeyfist.348 Месяц назад

The stated dynamics of good vs evil, is all wrong. We really need to do better to understand social situations that create opposition. Evil, as we see it, is the interests of individuals over the interests of the whole of humanity. We should onsider that those called evil, are simply individuals doing as they were instructed by the system that exists. We are all victims of inherited systems that have not changed much in thousands of years. Our systems change and adapt to crisis in a reactionary way. Our various systems promote those that can make "the hard choices." Decisions over life and death are made by the psycopaths, sociopaths, or narcissists, because they are proficient at removing the emotional components to the outcomes. Since our history is one of conflict and war, our leaders make choices about how we regard the interests of others. Our leaders, exist in a world of conflicting interests, often becoming evil to those who are adversely affected by their decisions. You might wonder where I am going with this. Our challenge is to form up under the banner of Team Human. One for all, and all for one! Well, if we engage in a good vs evil tactic, inevitably we force a portion of the population to the side of evil. Therefore, we can never form up as a functional team. We will always be divided. Each side thinking themselves as good, and the other, as evil. We must do better than that. It is up to us to frame the situation so that no one is left out. We have to be able to work together, or all is lost. Forget the past and create new language to express our concerns. Religions betray us now, enslaving us with the inherited language of hate and opposition.

@treefrog3349 Месяц назад

Well said. But few people are as perceptive as you are. Religion and political propaganda have stunted their brains.

@anamariacarvalho6738 Месяц назад

If polícia makers were mot sue the pronlrm will not solve, they should be called tô responsabllity

@chris4973 Месяц назад

Tax Strike!

@JoeCoxJodo Месяц назад

Agreed 👍

@MiltonPapaioannou-qd7tf Месяц назад

You guys need to talk directly to your cousins in Australia 🇦🇺 who pretty much couldn't care less about emissions I call litter as far as idling car epidemic in plague proportion because it's an issue that goes totally ignored.. If our government can't oversee its own peoples careless neglectful ways then I can't understand PEOPLE.. We must drive cars trucks it's a given but when idling your engine for leasure and comfort then obviously the people couldn't care less... Idling your engine is now the plague in every major city and beyond... So do the Australian people spare a thought for there enviroment ? NO there actually busy creating there own... And clueless to it as well as the government..!! Australia needs a kick up its backside and should be exposed to the world and any other country exploiting a resource for nothing...

@mrs.seaturtle66allen78 Месяц назад

We are having coldest springs ever right now and I pray that things warm up.

@mrrecluse7002 Месяц назад

If I was a praying man, I'd pray that in order to understand this predicament, people come to quickly know that it cannot be understood by just looking out the window, so to speak.

@ChickpeatheTortie Месяц назад

I suspect that it is safe for me that there will be no mention of meat meat meat and more meat - we can do without meat we cannot do without transport, lighting or heating.

@JoeCoxJodo Месяц назад

Agreed..... ABSOLUTELY!!! LET US EAT CAKE INSTEAD!!!! 👍

@PhantasmalBlast 20 дней назад

I think the meat industry will be one of the first to collapse, as it will quickly become incredibly expensive.

@mareewalks1238 Месяц назад

Religion is a big problem...weather it's prosperity Christian with there belief that are blessed by God by how rich they are and that his will save them or Islamic fossil producers really not caring as they will receive all those virgins in heaven anyway or Hindu with a passive believe of it was meant to happen.

@PhantasmalBlast 20 дней назад

I disagree, I am not religious but corporate greed is pretty universal. There are religious people who condemn wealth and opulence just as much as there are those who praise it. There’s also a lot of secular greed.

@anamariacarvalho6738 Месяц назад

If we can call our clleaguez, enginerrs , math. Médico people, lasers, economics , ....and meterologist. We xan reste the protocol, we can find a m a y o r s, which are sensitive tô it, we can test the protocolo in some cases at some cities

@Uup9xn Месяц назад

If you guys insist on doing it, can the activists/cultural terrorists here please switch your attacks on oil paintings to more modern ones? Abstract, cubist, etc. Leave the good old ones alone.

@Uup9xn Месяц назад

Or better yet, leave them all alone, and find a way of protesting that doesn't make people hate you even if they broadly agree with you.

@PhantasmalBlast 20 дней назад

@@Uup9xnagreed let’s brainstorm some effective alternatives they could use. You go first.

@scottmears7490 Месяц назад

Use physics first 😊

@bingbangboom1239 Месяц назад

Due to increased CO2 levels global vegetation has increased 20% in the last 40 years or so. This is causing increased precipitation, low altitude cloud formation and the associated global cooling effect.

@PavelDatsyuk-ui4qv Месяц назад

Lmao block nascar and not a broadway show 😂. Come on that cant be a serious question. Id try convincing people tha actually fell for the fraud themselves to