Personally, I think the biggest problem with this commander is the flavour. It makes a given tribe waaaay better by actually diluting your commitment to that tribe.
i think its very on point, shes a scientist who tinkers with different species and encourages you to try out different tribals and experiment with them
You don't understand the card. You're supposed to choose slivers, implying that every other creature becomes a Sliver. The flavour is that no matter what you are, eventualy slivers will overtake the species and turn all other creatures into slivers. Very on point for slivers
One fun way to build this might be to pick some of the best tribal effects from tons of different tribes along with a bunch of blink effects, so depending on what you draw & what the situation demands, you’re constantly switching what tribe all your creatures are to change the abilities they all get. In other words, you’d be radically changing the nature of your board from turn to turn (or even within a turn).
I did a build like that and it's really fun. only threw in a few slivers for utility. hibernation sliver to blink, misinform sliver to change creature types, quick sliver to flash in my ally's ( lots of tribal ebt cards for the blink theme) scuttling sliver to untap, gemhide and manaweft for ramp, threw in intruder alarm, aluren, sneak attack and roaming throne to get whacky.
@@juice17776oor only kills 1 player, realm breaker or World tree put as many creatures as you want so it can easily become an OTK for all 3 with how many ways slivers can buff their power
@@Oxygen1004 Door + rings of brighthearth + lithoform engine or any activated ability copies would kill everyone. Obviously neither a very good, but silly if you are able to
Basically every suggestion for this deck that focuses on slivers is almost immediately worse than just playing slivers by themselves. I think there's a reason all the brews people are discussing online know that the sliver inclusion was only for the token it makes to work with the main effect.
I think this card could be great for adding spice to a sliver deck, but it's basically the weakest option. This might be my new Zirda companion deck. Haven't decided.
@@eeen4570 no, cuz that wouldn't work FLAVOR wise. If they went with another legendary, yeah, could've been anything from human to zombie. But the character is related to Slivers. And had it said Shapeshifters? Still would work with nontoken Slivers the exact same.
Yeah she's just going in the 99 as a Sliver generator for me. Everything else just kind of relies too much on drawing into what you need, and if she's removed then it makes your deck immediately go to shit, moreso than most other commander decks.
I believe that the best way to play this commander is to fuse tribes. For example, you could play merfolk and choose goblins as the tribe so that you could use all the tribal stuff from the goblins into merfolk. You don't even need to go into 5 colors, just play a 2 or 3 color deck. I believe that elves/zombies would be a broken combination. Imagine having down Rooftop Storm and Noxious Ghoul. Every elf costs 0 and gives -1/-1 to your opponents' creatures. Add Maskwood Nexus as a backup plan and you are ready to go.
I am surprised. I would have thought of all people, this channel would love a new sliver commander that allows so many unique types of builds in all directions. Slivers by their nature, are quite unimaginative decks (as you said, you just add all the best ones and some staples; If anything, there are too many good slivers and you have to make tough decisions on which slivers not to include) so this really opens up the options to take slivers in all new directions. I don’t see it being too OP as a Janky commander like this really stands out as ‘kill it and shutdown what the deck does’.
i love the unique directions sure. but i also see the potential that makes this commander busted and inevitably a target. it's no different than a korvold, atraxa or muldrotha that enable janky themes but are also super powerful.
@@edhdeckbuilding … and one more will make a difference ? There are plenty of broken combos if that is all people want to do. I’d put this about on par with Urtet.
Hey Demo, I really thought you would like this commander. You really don’t need to put any slivers in it at all. I thought it would be cool to combine two existing tribes zombie/dragons, elf/eldrazi, wizard/fish etc. I think it opens up the door for a lot of cool tribal strategies that have nothing to do with slivers.
Tbh, sliver decks can often feel repetitive due to the inherent nature of the tribe, Rukarumel at least gives you an option to take a sliver deck somewhere else, which would be hard, again, due to the inherent nature of a tribal deck and of slivers in particular. Also, sorry but there's no sliver commander that's reasonably affordable (at the very least in the country where i live) so having a couple of options at least makes me able to brew a few different deck ideas. Complaining about backup commanders in a precon also just doesn't make sense.
5 color players: Having access to all colors allows me to be creative and use janky cards Also 5 color players: Ewww why would I ever play super inefficient cards?
I disagree with this. I have multiple 5 color decks and of the 7 I have only one is optimized. The others are full of jank and cards that people always tell me I should pull out of my deck because there are better cards that are much more efficient.
@@Wyrm7774 Well tbf, Ur-Dragon does basically everything just through its tribe. You have a dragon for everything just about, and Ur-Dragon himself just wins the game the moment he swings.
I was giving that a thought, and I think there's a better path to take there: golems, but only in a token form. Running a set of Splicers, and the small handful of golem token generators, and type fixers (conspiracy, arcane adaptation, and hivestone), and you have an interesting drop-in that doesn't necessarily take up too many slots in the deck, with the added bonus of having enough slots to hide the sliver subtheme until you can go off...
This is THE arcane adaptation commmander that you can flicker in order to have multiples tribal payoffs in the same deck. You can choose zombies and play Gishath off rooftop storm for 0, flicker rukarumel, choose dinosaur and reveal whichever creature you have in the top 7. Sounds extremely fun
Demo, I get the reaction. That said, she is actually a cool Jank Tribal commander. Giving Slivers that type enables the tokens she makes to fit into any archetype. Seems like a 5 color commander that can be built an inifinite number of ways. Seems good
But unless that tribe already had decent synergies that doesn't really accomplish anything. Like if you made an elk tribal deck around this and every turn you pay 3 mana for a sliver token that's also an elk I guess eventually you'll have a board full of elk but then what? Where's the payoff?
@@ilikeapples1 There is a lot of generic tribal payoffs. (Shared Animosity, Distant Melody, etc) Even if the tribe isn't highly supported, this card can make the tribe more viable.
I disagree this is going to be a Sliver commander. It synergizes with Slivers, sure, but really the "nontoken creatures you control" overpowers Sliver tribal for me. I am viewing this as an Arcane Adaptation in the CZ to create a synergy deck run by a small subset of cards (e.g. a deck that wants to use Leaf-Kin Druid can turn all ancillary creatures into Druids, a card like Sygg River Guide could benefit from having a big beater become a merfolk, a Rooftop Storm Zombie deck, among other ideas.) It also enables 5 colors of tribes that struggle to get support outside their "normal" colors, it can turn all the non-tribal creatures into that specific creature type to help keep synergy going (e.g. 5 color Yuriko support)
I think the problem with this commander is that there's no payoff for the 2nd tribe that you're playing. For example sure you can hit some sick dragon synergy but you'll want to limit the amount of dragons since they don't benefit from slivers. I think it's a cool way to diversify slivers because they have a super linear play style.
And the best part is that it is flexible. You can chose slivers or the second tribe at will when you cast your commander. So if the situation calls for everything to be slivers you can make the dragons pumped up. But if the situation calls for you to turn your slivers into zombies you can use gravekeepers call to get two of them back from your graveyard with ease.
Built a modular morophon tribal deck a few weeks ago and I've been trying to look for alternatives that can play well with the system of tribal modules I built for that deck. This honestly fits the bill so well that I think it's genuinely ridiculous. Now I get to play a random tribe each game AND bulk them up with general sliver synergies to make them more cohesive? This honestly sold me on the deck more than any of the new slivers they introduced.
I see this as anything BUT a sliver commander. Slivers are by far the most synergistic tribe, they are the strongest by default as a tribe. You are not playing this mediocre "sliver" commander to enable 3-5 cards of additional synergy, you are better off with other commanders. I think this is more a synergy of the moment tribal, have the druid guy? name druid, have magda? name dwarf, krenko/muxus? name goblin. Play a few flicker effects and it sounds fun
I think this might be a little bit of an overreaction. Its an interesting card that allows a solved boring tribe to branch out in literally any direction. Sure there will be people who make absolutely disgusting decks with it, but that is no different than any other powerful commander that gets printed. A lot of people will steer clear of it because a decent mana base for a five color deck costs as much as a car, not to mention the precon itself was way overpriced if you didn't preorder.
Stop thinking about slivers. This allows you to play rec sage in your vampire tribal, and still have it gain the various lord's benefits. It may as well tap to make changelings.
Exactly! Although I don't think I would ever play this over Edgar Markov. Maybe in Merfolk or Goblins to change the game-plan from 'protect the commander' to something more interesting.
I think you're focussing too much on Slivers. If you took the text off that said "all slivers" and just left the text that says "all non token creatures," it would still affect all non-token slivers. Basically that first line of text about slivers only matters for sliver tokens. So it really doesn't reward you that much for playing a sliver deck over a non sliver deck. This has some really cool ways you can build it. For example, I imagine that you can make every single creature in the deck have a different creature type. Why does that druid only break sliver decks? It will win with seven storm crows. So play a bunch of payoff creatures then put a bunch of blink or flicker spells in your deck so that you can reset your commander based on what payoff you want active. That sounds really cool, and it has nothing to do with slivers. I think the bigger problem with this deck is that it encourages goodstuff creatures to go along with the payoffs, so I don't disagree with you completely about the power of this commander, but the sliver aspect is a red herring that only matters for sliver tokens.
Um this is not fully a sliver commander thats because after the "Slivers you control" it includes "and nontoken creatures" which means not just slivers will gain the type so really this is Arcane Adaptation on a commander. the reason it said slivers was because of the token maker and personally im speculating this for dinosaur tribal because when you look at the creatures with dinosaur lord effects most of the creatures are not dinosaurs. and now this will make them dinosaurs
Nah I think it’ll be fun for the format. The only bad 5 color commanders are the ones that aren’t specific to a play style. So like the rainbow bridge kinda sucks, but this one cool. I think This is the new “lords” tribal commander instead of that changeling lol.
Agreed. Morophon never truly interested me, aside from an elder tribal deck idea I had years ago. I've got so many ideas for this one already, and I think some of them will actually be fun.
I love slivers, they were my first deck ever. I can totally agree with you. Sliver didn’t need any more support or another commander. This commander is good and interesting but wasn’t needed.
You’re wrong. Name sliver. Have a bunch of Pegasus in your deck. Now your Pegasus get the benefits of slivers in addition to their own things. This card is awesome.
Most people will build sliver, but you really don't have to with this commander, the thing I like about it is that there's so many ways to build interesting stuff, wierd interactions and givibg underwhelming tribe some relevance. Now mercenary can tutor for any creatures in the deck.
It's major flavor from a lore perspective though. Go full Riptide Project and combine Slivers and Wizards. Hivestone makes all your Wizards a part of the hive, although using Rukarumel to also make all your Slivers into Sliver Wizards is just funny.
Totally agree with the comments of too many 5 colour commanders, it’s all people seem to build at our LGS now, as why restrict? I think Wizards may be damaging the format long term by their inclusion. This could have been narrower- eg Temur - and still have been powerful but balanced and interesting but with access to a good percentage of cards. Instead it seems they took the easy option again to sell more decks short term
I actually really like the commander. Many of the sliver commanders are prohibitively expensive and it gives slivers a new build direction with “Tribal Tribal” type synergies. I do agree that it didn’t need to be quite so abusable.
But that's still not the same as having that in command zone and access to it as all times. Plus, those pieces don't benefit from the protection and buffs that Slivers naturally grant each other.
i honestly think this card is the most interesting card in the precon. i can now play two interesting tribes together and see how they play with eachother. How would a dragons approach deck work if instead of a dragon i get to dump a massive demon on the field instead? theres so much room for interesting play here.
I completely agree. Demo was so close to the point at the end of the video and then completely blew past it. I’m sure a lot of people are going to use this to add cards to their sliver deck so they still get the buffs for being slivers, but I would bet an equal share use this to do some really interesting things by combining tribes together. I love your idea of a 5 color Dragons Approach deck that lets you pull interesting creatures that you wouldn’t be able to pull otherwise. I think this is much closer to Morophon as an enabler of cool stuff than something that makes Slivers stronger.
Huge overreaction imo. I'm not a personal fan of 5 color or sliver decks personally (in that I probably wouldn't build one for myself) but this seems like far and away the most interesting 5-color sliver option available. All the other ones are just "play all the good slivers and I'll make them better" and there's literally no other direction to take them in. But I can think of several directions you can take this one in (many of which you mentioned yourself): -Name slivers and make other good creatures into slivers -Name another good tribe and have them help out your slivers -Build a generic sliver deck but throw in one or two other really powerful tribal payoffs in -Put lots of tribal payoffs of various tribes in there and wait until you draw one to name a creature type -You could still build around a somewhat janky tribe. Not something like Pegasus's or crabs that have practically no support, but something with moderate support that still might not have enough decent cards to fill out their own deck or don't have their own dedicated commander (oozes, shamans, etc.). Agree that 5C commanders are a bit boring and that there are a lot of sliver commanders already but this one actually seems interesting and can give you a few directions to go in without necessarily being generic good stuff. Tbh this looks like the most well designed 5C commander in quite a while to me.
Honestly building a commander like this excites me. Because you can now build a sliver deck with none of the big giant slivers in it. You could go with any tribe that's low CMC that has good totem effects and make it bananas without having to play other wooberg slivers. You could easily make a $60 sliver deck with this commander
I find it absolutely amazing how Slivers are a tribe that has 7 commanders, yet the deck will always play the exact same way every time. All of them being 5 colors is definitely the biggest factor, since they all allow you to play any and all of the best Slivers ever made. If there were Sliver commanders that were 2 color, or even mono colored, then they'd be more interesting because people would be more likely to play some of the less utilized Slivers. Heck, that might even be a somewhat interesting deck idea. Play a 2 color or mono colored Sliver deck. Finding the appropriate commander could be an interesting challenge since there are no Legendary SLivers that aren't less than 5 colors. Maybe a Mono-Green Sliver deck with Yisan the Wanderer Bard, since he could tutor up your Slivers and act as the tool box for the deck, getting the Sliver abilities you need. Or maybe a Golgari Sliver deck with Gyome as the commander. Gyome loves it when you play creatures, and Slivers love to swarm the field with creatures
I think this card is actually exactly what slivers needed, it's a 5 color sliver commander that's very jank, and a lot weaker than other sliver commanders, so it enables much weaker and much jankier sliver decks, which I think is very nice.
Another point, you can name "sliver" as a creature type, then the other creatures will gain all the sliver benefits, because they will then be slivers.
You could also name Slivers, now whatever creatures that aren't usually slivers gain all the sliver boosts from your slivers. Crystalline sliver giving shroud to all creatures because they are all now slivers? Sounds fun.
I agree with you about the 5-color commanders overall, but I don’t see this as nearly as threatening as people think it will be. Did we forget about Arcane Adaptation?
I don't see this commander as problematic as much as I do just ugh. The difference with arcane adaptation, consipiracy, and maskwood was it either forced a color or took a deck slot. this is just in the command zone now and is just a narrower tribal tribal commander which is what changelings were for.
I'm excited to play 5-color giant tribal for no reason other than it sounds fun. I'd be surprised if I had more than two or three slivers in the 99 because they don't assist with giants in any way.
I disagree with the first notion that this is a Sliver commander. There is no benefit to ever using this card as Sliver commander or playing slivers in the deck. I agree with the idea that we didn't need or want this card though. 5C any tribe tribal commander is silly.
Nah For Gilt-leaf Archdruid I wouldn't use that as the head of a Sliver deck but an Elf tribal deck. Blue now allows you to play intruders alarm which is insane with mana dorks like elves who easily make 3+ mana and then tap the commander to make a Sliver Elf, untap every creature and go like that forever. Next combo will be Wirewood Symbiot and BG Elf decks already use that with Conspiracy to go for infinit mana and infinit tap effects of all the different elves. Another reason to name elf even though most creatures are already elves would be Skyshroud Poacher. The worst part about poacher you can get any creature out of your deck which is either one of the off tribe cards (like Wirewood Symbiot, Gilt-Leaf Archdruid, Scarblade Elite, Ohabi Caleria or Greatbow Doyen) or a random good creature that happens to synergies with elves or even worse... Spark Double or one of two Sakashima. You can even get Ratadrabik at that point and sacrifice your commander to change to Druid or Archer. But the clones would allow you to switch or add another tribe too. It is worth noting that the tribes mentioned already are a lot among elves like many elf archers or elf druids arround. Only Sliver I can imagine making the cut for the deck trying to abuse Archdruid would be Hatchery Sliver because the Sliver token exception would let the replicate tokens count for Archdruid and the other way arround naming sliver and then replicate e.g. lanowar elf should be insane. Which is also what I expect from this new sliver commander people just putting random cards in the deck because they synergies with a couple of slivers. Like giving Replicate 0 to Ornithopter. Or using Basal Sliver with Reassambling Skeleton to get infinit trigers of Lavabelly Sliver, Dormant Sliver, Regal Sliver or Harmonic Sliver.
You walked right into jank tribe support and scoffed at it. Instead of naming sliver and simply playing all the goodstuff, name sliver and play your preferred jank ass tribe with low support. Now all my Pegusus have sliver abilities. Now all my Horses can gain trample and +9/+9
maybe im a bit slow....but you would want to name slivers everytime right? so your none "slivers" are now slivers and can tap into the buffs. aka play an elf, its not a sliver elf and can get the boons if im understanding it correctly.
I know this video was supposed to say why this commander was not needed or to kind of bag on it but instead this video is one big endorsement to play it over other 5 color commanders.
Ooooor you go the fun roud and clone rukarumel. So you combine two tribes. If you like you can also donate a rukarumel and punish an enermie for having a specific creature type like zombies. Yes most will play it as a sliver + tribe but i look at it and my brain is starting to think of options :D
The crazy thing is they don't have to even include slivers at all. It just gives all your creatures a secondary type. You could have a Hydra/Goblin deck. Its like Jump Start as a commander. Now some tribes work better together than others but you could have a Dragon/Rat deck if you wanted. Name whatever type you want as your subtheme and go nuts
I feel like it should have said to pick two types, and made each of them both types. So you could stitch two together, maybe limit it to less colours... I dunno, this is a weird commander so it's hard to bring it into interesting territory.
This is a tribal fusion commander. You take a tribe with cool creatures. Then you can combine it with another tribe with lots of interactions with itself. Examples would be dragons and cat
Eh, I get where you're coming from but if anything she's less of an issue than the existing popular five color sliver commanders. Yes it means you can tack on another 'good stuff' tribe or say sliver and include random good creatures. But that's still going to water down the synergy that slivers rely upon. So you'll get new combinations and interesting interactions but less raw stacking power. I think that's a solid trade. Did we 'need' this, no certainly not, but as the backup commander in a sliver deck (and we knew there'd be a backup of some sort) I think she's a solid design.
I'm a huge sliver fan. And this is a slam dunk card for ME. I do agree with you though. This is a bit obnoxious and they are trying to widen the gap between 5c and other 3c or lower decks. This does have a great floor and ceiling as it does enable some silly decks to use something other than morophon and it could go in the 99 or lead that deck. Combo potential is real though. I didn't think about making non slivers into slivers. I shudder at the thought....
I fear the biggest issue might be that if they remove her the deck will just be underwhelming and disjointed so needs a few backup conspiracy effects. Mercenaries and rebels seems strong, im gonna try minotaurs. Honestly would be fun with like a modular package commander where the base is the same and depending on mood can put in the tribe of your choice, i think she is really fun and great.
This is a great opportunity to play Sliver Knights, Sliver Humans, Sliver Dinosaurs… and help your Zacama, your Archons, your Adeline… get all crazy powerful :)
tbh i really like this card for my tribal tribal /changeling tribal tap untappe.... deck. just makes all my stuff tap for every kind of lord. it's basically an arcane adaptation from the command zone.
Personally I don’t view this as a sliver commander whatsoever, I feel like it does nothing for silvers besides make a sliver token. I see this as an arcane adaptation in the command zone that’ll allow you to miss mash tribes together.
Yeah, I feel like you missed the "nontoken creatures" part. It just takes a tribal deck and makes the 20% of creatures you want but arent the right type into that type. So yes you can put esper sentinel in your elf deck. This is like only 5% better as a sliver commander because the tokens it makes stay the right type after it dies in that case. But otherwise, it's exactly as good for knights or himans or elves as slivers.
I have no idea why people think of it as a sliver commander. Sliver tokens makers are rare and not really efficients. The most important part is "nontoken creatures", the sliver part is just for the activated ability. What I don't really like is that, if you want to play a janky tribe, you will just fill the gap with staple creatures and that will make decks pretty boring.
I think this just makes sense with humans and wizards. For any other tribe the effects don't protect the commander and chosing a different commander to play sliver would be more powerful.
Even more OP: Choose creature type Changeling, "a characteristic-defining ability that grants the object it’s on every creature type". Now ALL your creatures get boosted by ALL bonuses granted by ALL lords.
I don't have any issue with 5 color commanders, because I like to make decks around some (like my 5 color Goblin deck with Korona the false god) but I do agree that they've been going way to ham with them in the last few sets. Also this commander will be very strong with Hivestone, because it will make all your tokens slivers, this making them the creature type you chose as well. Since it exists if it's cheap I'll probably pick it up to make a janky "tribal tribal" deck with Hivestone and Helm of the Host as the key cards, and a bunch of Tribal buffs from different tribes mashed together. It's a cool card, but I agree they should have taken it into a color combo of like 3 colors or something instead of WUBRG.
I've never seen someone staring at everything that makes Tribal Tribal go boom, and sit there like "but slivers..." This commander is not here to support slivers. It is there to BREAK the jank but really good tribal lords that were over stuffed with power because they're in tribes without support. Or just the broken lords anyways, like Rick Steadfast Leader. You just toss all the dumb pieces in, and whatever game winning effect you draw into you have arcane adaptation in the command zone to throw off and make use of it. Slivers tend to be apart of that, but you have hivestone. So slivers can exist simply to support combos (displacement sliver goes brrrr, who needs Hakkan,) as well as be a creature base to make your changelings go brrrrrr. But acting like this commander design is _only_ a problem because "ugh SLIVERS didn't need more support" is missing the whole freaking ocean for the tide pool. (also, support slivers more please. I like cool tribal lords for my tribal tribal deck that I will not be replacing the commander of. Rukarumel is a mistake, and I do not support a design that breaks my pet deck so openly.)
I played vs a sliver deck and you know what...I actually might have been able to win it. I have a potentially quite powerful pillowfort/tokens deck that builds quite steadily and powerfully wherein the sliver deck couldn't really hit me and despite his side of the board being massive, not being useful when he a) couldn't attack me, b) didn't do non combat dmg to me and c) since I could creature a ton of blockers and then boardwipe while making my own creatures indestructible. However, this is just a niche area where that deck performs well vs slivers, most decks would just be super annoyed by a slivers deck because they DON'T have reliable ways to turn-after-turn prevent damage or creatures smacking them. I will say tho, good lord are slivers generally pretty busted...it was a fun challenge but it wasn't a fun deck to play against because most of the cards are pretty OP...this is just one reason I'd recommend ppl bring decks with a good amount of interaction...make them sacrifice their slivers...exile their board....and DEFINITELY have counterspells ready to prevent them giving all their slivers flying or giving them all shroud.
I'm not sure i agree with the take here. This commander does do some unique things, but the idea of "slap a few off-tribe elements into a well supported tribe to gain power" isn't going to be the best bet over using an actual tribe member to be the payoff in your command zone. His Haakon example, (for example) misses that haakon doesn't himself become a sliver if you're using the commander to make your slivers a knight. He therefore misses out on all those sweet, sweet sliver synergies, and really isn't any better off than any number of black enchantments that do similar things, like a phyrexian reclamation, or a tortured existence. Basically, if you really want off-tribe synergies to be slapped into an existing tribe, there's usually off-tribe options already available, and using your commander to unlock those things seems like a lot of extra work over simply putting those options in. I think that the way to build this commander is going to be as follows - You're going to need to start with an on-tribe base with good tribal synergies, (such as elves, or zombies) drop the commander once you have that base set up, and finish with off-tribe finishers. You won't really be able to go the other way around due to the commander's somewhat high mana cost. (i.e. using her to make your kobolds a dragon won't have the same effect as actually dropping a dragon, for example) Whether that's better, more on theme, or more in the spirit of commander is than just going straight tribal is up for debate i guess, but it does enable a couple tribes that don't necessarily have strong synergy bases, or another way to put some interesting stuff in Elfball deck #493.
i gave a few suggestions for this commander. not all of them. certainly being able to cast your slivers from your graveyard in a sliver deck is really handy.
@@edhdeckbuilding I agree that that kind of stuff is indeed really handy, but i find it a little tougher to think that people will gravitate towards going too far outside the sliver box when the box is so good in the first place. People tend to take the path of least resistance, and slivers are pretty straightforward as-is, and i think people doing the amount of build-around needed here to make it shine more than say the hivelord may be few and far between. I do think this commander will shine brighter with certain non-sliver decks though. I saw the "ally" tribe mentioned, and really think this could be a good one there, as most ally creatures REALLY like other allies, but the tribe has neither the commander, nor the ground-level support to really shine. Stuff the deck with 25-30-ish "spell on a stick" creatures to turn into allies, 20-25ish allies to trigger, and the commander to make them mesh? not bad at all IMO.
I dunno, I like it. It provides you a commander that allows you to play weird tribes that might not have many support. You should pick slivers as the tribe every time, even if you’re playing knights, for example, so the knights take on the slivers abilities. Or you could do it the way you mentioned. But it is capable of both, which I think is cool.
The beauty of Morophon is that he basically only exists to enable jank tribal decks. You're not going to choose him over other commanders for much more established tribes because he sucks in comparison to the options already available to you. You're not going to play Morophon elves because you already have super top tier options for elf commanders. Same with zombies, goblins, merfolk, etc. Morophon outshines literally no one and just lets you brew jank and that's great. Now we're gonna see a table full of this commander trying to be interesting but surprise, its all slivers trying to disguise themselves as something interesting. I'm down with slivers but this is just going to homogenize tribal decks.
It can allow junk tribes, if you play a druid deck and name human, your druids will be buffed by human lords You can easily play it without any sliver Won't be that good because when your commander is removed they loose the bonuses, but still realy fun i think :)
The obvious problem with this is that as soon as you start playing a multiplayer EDH game with slivers, you're the insta-target. Cast your commander? Boom. Gone. Do it again! Boom, dead. Hey do you know what your slivers aren't right now? Knights. They aren't knights. Hope Haakon is having fun hanging out with bugs.
That is clearly the intended way to play this commander, and arguably stronger as well. It's an Arcane Adaptation in the command zone that discourages using tokens other than the one made with the ability on the commander. Just because slivers are mentioned on the card doesn't make that the best synergy for it. Some examples: Rebels can suddenly pull any appropriate cost creature out of your deck (Mercenaries as well, but they are generally worse due to pulling lower, rather than higher cost creatures). This includes synergistic creatures like Biomancer's Familiar and Zirda, to get more expensive things for cheaper. I will be updating my Zirda Rebels deck to have Rukarumel as the commander because of how powerful this can be. Allies have several effects that care about more allies entering the battlefield, which the token will be. Choosing Zombies lets you cast any creature for free with Rooftop Storm. Dinosaurs have several support creatures that aren't dinosaurs, so you can let them have the buffs your dinosaurs are getting.
Well, you could use Pegasus creatures in the same way you can add good stuff creatures. Just name slivers and all your Pegasus' will get a massive bump.
We're sorely lacking in commanders for tribes like Slivers that aren't five colors, would have loved a Volrath in Dimir that did something with slivers, or a Selesnya sliver commander. I think The First Sliver is probably ultimately better in five color and this will be a fad commander for a bit I'd like to see more commanders focus on a dual tribal theme, but less noncommital five color stuff like this. I'd love to see a commander that rewards me for playing creatures that are both Goblins and Wizards for instance
Regarding playing 5 color is no limitation, I gotta disagree somewhat. Because especially with budget restrictions the limitation quickly becomes to include somewhat equal shares of each color, so that your mana works out. Unless youre playing golos that is, but I guess he's gone for a reason.
What's the point of "slivers you control and nontoken creatures you control"? I feel like maybe it's trying to include token slivers but would the nontoken part then void the ability to token slivers? Could it just say "nontoken creatures you control" and cover the same on board creatures?
It's two different conditions that you need to meet at least one of to satisfy the effect. "And" is used to combine the conditions because it's essentially two very similar static abilities in one (Slivers you control are the chosen creature type in addition to their other types and nontoken creatures you control are the chosen creature type in addition to their other types). It's worded like this so that the sliver tokens she creates still benefit from her ability. Other than her token, or the other very rare sliver tokens, she doesn't particularly care about slivers at all and just benefits whatever creatures you already have.
Do you think a deck has infinite cards in it? Youre not taking into account that Slivers 1. ONLY have benefits from themselves..there are basically no cards that arent creatures that help slivers. And 2. For EVERY alternate tribe card you put into this deck, you lose a sliver. Youre going to get to a point where you weaken your Slivers and have to compensate with different tribe positives. This is the BEST thing to happen to slivers, and is 100% what it needed. A way to diversify slivers and make their playstyle unique and flexible
Best 25-30 lords across all tribes, zero Sliver cards, name Sliver? Or--hear me out--build out the 70-75 cards that are the land base and "veggies", then create a ~100 card "sideboard" of creatures (no Slivers) that, each game, you randomly pull the remaining 25-30 cards. Could be fun.
Tbh it is just an arcane adaptation in the command zone... it doesn't feel particularly strong nor impactful unless you are already playing tribal tribal... and morophon is the best for that imo.. one extra way of doing that in the 99 is nice I guess... and she is tutorable with wizard cycling which is relevant.
You absolutely dont have to play slivers, it says slivers so that it encompasses the tokens she makes, it applies to any nontoken creature. You could make your halflings into humans if you wanted. All this card does is allow all of your nontoken creatures, of any type, and make them cohesive. This card ONLY says slivers so that it counts the token slivers. Which still count for whatever creature type you choose. Read the card carefully. It is not a sliver commander, it just says the word. Yes, most people will make it a sliver deck because they read it like you did. This card will make sliver decks better, but really, its just making all tribals better by letting your general creature board state be a tribe, i wouldnt pick a janky tribe like pegasus, i would take a tribe with support, like human, and boom, my human tribal cards are working on my ghalta. I will be building this commander, but im not going to use slivers, and it will still be a fun deck. This card is scaring people because they think its a sliver commander, read the card, it isnt sliver support, if it didnt say the word sliver people wouldnt care, the word sliver is only there to count token slivers because she makes them, and because its flavorful with the set
@vovlasc9817 what he said after it was that it wouldn't even make janky tribes good, and thats true, because that's not what you want to do. You want to take good creatures and provide them with the anthems, protection etc. that comes with playing an actual tribe with support. I love this channel and his hot takes, but on this one I just think he saw it was 5 colors, only gave a surface level read, and then made a video before thinking about it. Any tribe with support, elves, human, goblins, dinosaurs, wizards, cats, dragons, whatever can now be applied to a motley crew of creatures, or, another tribe that youre also supporting so that you can take advantage of 2 tribes at once
Oh, it's a Sliver Commander. Yeah, you can go jankey a forcibly weld other tribes together but they'll never get the payoffs that you would get if you use Slivers as the base and foundation.
I don't see this card being played as much as the other 5c slivers. Problem I see is that you can turn off all non-sliver buffs/benefits just by removing the commander. I always think slivers are like cancer cells, where you need to remove them all to fully deal with them. Anything left would still be an issue.
This sucks. My small group already has two sliver players. This is only going to encourage more. They may have been trying to encourage variety in sliver decks but I agree, its just slivers with even more trial spice.
it makes for a lot of broken and janky things, and its another commander that is building most of the deck for you, i would toss it in my reaper king deck with maskwood nexus, magda and clock of omens to make even more crazy busted jank lol
