This is sooo helpful. Thank you. And can anybody tell me what game the little animations before each segment comes from? They seem familiar but I might be experiencing a Mandela effect.
SSJ4 was a much better transformation the either SSJG or SSJB. It wasn't just a recolor. I'd like to see them give "SSJ4" to Broly. He still has a tail. It could be the TRUE SSJG transformation.
i like ssjg way more then 4 i will say blue is stupid but god is just how a saiyan looks in base with god ki also ultra instinct and ego are my favorite transformations way more then ssj4 it just ssj4 has too much going on i felt when goku went ssj3 was rediculous and 4 just took that to the next level for me less means more that’s why i like those transformation more but hey u have your opinion and i respect what u feel is better
broly has a small sense of what ssj4 would be like containing the power of an oozaru but staying in human form so if he managed to combine it with his super saiyan which i think is how goku got ssj4 in gt he would unlock it
I'm glad we can give GT at least just one thing, The show was always unfairly judged and it's clear that because of Super and it's somewhat hit or miss reputation has made people give GT a second look
I'd give it far more than just one thing. I think it's a decent Sequel and Ending to the Original DB Anime. Could it have been Perfect with the ideas at hand? Sure, close enough. But it's decent.
@@SaiyanScholar I love gt and I would love to see a "remake" ...that being said I'd have preferred ssj4 Vegeta show up to help Goku during the fight with nuova and eis that I feel would have been a tremendously amazing fight
Saiyan Scholar must love the word "Truth," because that's all he speaks. Also, Vegeta in the Saiyan Arc violently shook the Earth while powering up and was able to destroy it with a Galick Gun, and Goku was able to casually ragdoll multiple universe-sized dimensions with his aura, so... a Kamehameha should be able to at least destroy the Afterlife, right?
I’m gonna headcanon that the Dragon Fist is more of a reversal technique than a multiplier one. He can only use it while at a minimum of battle reserves or it condenses the power of a total battle that Goku was in, including power that Goku used and was hit by.
Man, loving the haters found in this comment section, living in denial, believing GT doesn't compare to super in power. They'll likely never see the truth. But we do, and that's all that matters.
I'm pretty sure buuhan is the strongest buu in Z. Kid buu was just the most evil one. But you're still right that goku was talking about kid buu power level.
All throughout Dragonball, Goku's shoes have never broken. Not even when attacked by Baby's Revenge Death Ball, or Omega's Minus Energy Power Ball. When will you scale the power of Goku's shoes?
For any nerds wondering what ssj4 gogeta's power level would be. (I know gt is connected to the Z anime not the manga). His power level is 271 trevigintillion, 31 douvigintillion and 250 unvigintillion. This is what that Number looks like: 271,031,250,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000
I'm almost positive that we have seen Goku not only using the full power of his "change state", not only combining it with his Super Saiyan forms, but going far, far beyond it. This is because I believe that after Goku underwent a complete permanent change, killed Omega Shenron, absorbed the Earth's Dragon Balls and trained with Shenron for a hundred years, he was found and chosen to be a protector of not only Earth, not only the universe, but all of time and space - Xeno Goku.
At 2:04:17 you used the formula A + B x 100 = C for fusion strength, but what you meant was (A + B) x 100 = C. Otherwise you are multiplying person B's power by 100 and adding person A's power, and not adding A's and B's power together-after which multiplying by 100.
@@TheSuperGoober Just because he didn't specify an order of operations doesn't mean he didn't folllow them. The math adds up using PEMDAS in the video's examples.
It’s crazy because me & my lil brudda were literally talkin about this a few weeks ago & saying GT would simply one shot Super because logically speaking, there’s no way a Super Pan can beat a GT Pan 🤷🏽♂️
Super did one authentic thing right. It made me appreciate gt on a deeper profound level, that I might not of had, if not for how disappointing Super is. Did Super do the same for you?
I had never considered that they were already near universal in dbz. It makes so much sense though. It makes the statement in super more like their reactions were because it was a side affect rather than an attack. It also explains why all the other figters were able to catch up so quickly. Also god ki might be more capable of affecting the universe or something
It's completely ridiculous. The 1st confirmed universal feat in DB hapenned in super. Anything prior is ridiculous wanking based on dimensions mumbo jumbo. It's got nothing to do with having the raw power to literally disintegrate everything in a universe, which is what universal should be.
One could argue that vegeta needed the 1000x Brutz waves to transform into golden oozaru because without his tail to control and initiate the transformation, the excess power was needed to be the catalyst, and that without the tail, the brute(no pun intended) influx of Brutz waves was no where as efficient as the same amount of Brutz waves being absorbed by a Saiyan with a tail. So I dont think your power scaling in this area is as accurate as you stated. Also, with goku's golden oozaru and also ssj4 transformations being caused by the earth and not just a moon, it could stand to reason he was receiving roughly 4 times as many Brutz waves as a standard moon/energy ball transformation, and could be said to be a stronger transformation than normally would occur. So again, I think your power scaling might be a little skewed here as well.
It would be reasonable to assume he got the 1000x amp, as he still absorbed the power. Sure, it was needed as a catalyst, but the fact remains that he still absorbed that 1000x amp into himself, and we know brutz waves grant power, as later on, he gets that exact same power again after passing out and gets regenerated to full power. Needing the 1000x amp to push him into an oozaru doesn't mess up the scaling
about the whole kidd bu vs buuhan thing, ssj3 goku knew he had no chance agaisnt buuhan but he was on par with kidd bu until he ran out of energy so by that alone buuhan is way stronger, kid buu i just by far the most dangerous thats for sure.
Yo can you post that photo that like says the arc’s multiplier since Buu saga? It appeared around (ima insert it when I find it) Edit: couldn’t find it but it like showed an image of full grown Gt Goku with like to his left side (GT arc: (number) x stronger than Buu arc self) and to the right it gave like form multipliers?? Idk id like to have that image tho
i'll never understand why people find it confusing that SS4 vegeta is in the same realm of power as UFPSS4 goku. before king kai's training, vegeta was almost 54x stronger than goku in the saiyan saga, and that was with barely any training at all on vegeta's part. is it really shocking then that a transformation that's said to bring out all of your potential gives vegeta a much greater boost than goku?
This is the problem I have with GT and Super in general. All the new power levels for Big Bads made sense in Z: aliens arrive. Then theres their emperor. Then there's a man-made series of enemies, which is also great writing. Then you have Buu, a magical, near-indestructable being who even the Gods feared... But then it turns out those weren't really the Gods at all in DBS, and in GT, the Kais are still the Gods, but they don't know about Rildo? So why didn't Buu ever accidentally land on Rildo's planet and get his clock cleaned? Why didnt his dimensional tears end with him accidentally bumping into Broly/Jiren/Hit/etc? And Goku trained on Yardrat, can use instant transmission, but never once goes "Hey btw, I felt some random power level out in space that makes Buu look like a jobber?" Love all the DB stuff, but in my headcanon, the true timeline ended with the fall of Cell, and everything beyond are "what if" scenarios.
Good stuff. The scaling is ridiculous. I can follow your logic for most of it but it was a bit of a stretch to say that parasyte baby gets a 50x multiplier as well as his host during super saiyan. It makes more sense if his power is a seperate addition regardless his hosts modifiers or abilities. Him not powering up with Trunks the first time he attempted to possess him being a indicator to that point. It also explains why he would force a transformation before attempting a new takeover. He was completely blindsided by Trunks' power up back then. Vegeta or Gohan might've been able to shunt him out in the same way if Baby hadn't drawn out and assessed their power before going in. Just my 2 cents.
So, I would like your input on something I had just came across. When promoting Battle of Gods back in 2012, Toei Animation had stated that Battle of Gods “takes place between the blank period of Z and GT”. From what I can put together, Battle of Gods happens before the End of Z, then the End of Z happens, and then GT, as the “blank period” would be the times of piece. But it gets VERY confusing when you think about it more, imo. What do you think?
I'm pretty sure Toei is comparing Battle of Gods to both the anime and the manga in terms of timeline placement. They said Battle of Gods takes place "between the animation series Z and GT" (or the Majin Buu and Black Star Arcs to make that statement make sense) and "... in other words from the blank decade between the end of the battle with Majin Buu in chapter 517 of the manga and chapter 518" So I think they're just trying to explain the timeline placement by comparing it to the episodes of the DBZ and DBGT Anime and the original DB Manga.
I think what happened was the dragon balls themselves have goku their power. Think of it like this, When goku blocked the minus energy ball perhaps Shenron himself became a part of goku somehow hence why goku had to leave with Shanron because the two of them had become One. That would explain goku's power up because Omega Shenrons power was probably added to goku's after shenron did this.
My logic for why buuhan is stronger than kid buu is because ssj3 goku couldnt hold a candle to buuhan however he is able to fight kid buu on almost equal footing. Goku needed the potara to beat buuhan, however he denies the potara for the fight against kid buu because he felt like he didnt need it.
Yeah, logically it should be like that. But, like he explains in the video, the writers for the anime just didn't care about logic. They changed the rules for plot convenience, basically. That's why he considers Kid Buu as the strongest in this video.
1. Uub's potential could reach Kid Buu's. He's not there yet. There is no evidence of that. 2. Buuhan collapsing pocket dimensions is not a universe+ feat. He could destroy the universe over time, not in one attack. We can use this to say he was multi-galaxy at best, but he's more accepted to be powerful enough to destroy one galaxy. Portal hax doesn't equate to being universe+. 3. No. Destroying the support beams would be a wall or wall+ domino effect destroying that house. This doesn't mean you can destroy the house without targetting a weak point. 4. Black Star Saga is not multiversal. 5. We can't take claims of being able to destroy a universe seriously unless feats and power progression back that up. Otherwise, we'd have universal Second Form Frieza. 6. Rildo might be stronger than the weakest version of Buu, but there's no evidence to say he's above Kid Buu. In fact, Goku in a child form defeated him in without even needing to go SS3. 7. Why would Goku compare him to Mr. Buu? Because he likes comparing the power of his enemies with the power of his friends. 8. There is no evidence that Pan is powerful enough to take on Kid Buu while in base form. 20 minutes in, and I feel like I'm wasting my time.
1 hour into the video and the numbers are already reaching heights I never imagined possible...2 hours remain still and I am just...wondering how big will the numbers get xD Jesus Christ, those are unimaginable numbers, imagine if you could turn these into Battle Power, it would be in the range of the Quadrillions Googol o-o
@1:29:57 [maybe a few hundredths of a second after the fact] it shows you completed the level with full health. (Hopefully properly I'd presume) but whatever the case, you had a time of -5200 totalling out your overall score [for the level] to -200. So now correct me if I'm wrong, did your actual overall game score lose 200 points or, [which i believe is more accurate] was your final health and time subtracted from each other to show how much zeni you earned?
I think between the time Goku goes to Purgatory and when Goku turns golden ape, his Zenkai occurred. 1) he ALMOST died in purgatory 2) he ALMOST died in his rematch with SSJ3 Baby
If I blow up the support beams to a building, I am not building level. You have to be able to destroy the thing in question entirely by yourself to be considered on that level of destructive ability. If I broke a window by throwing pieces of glass at it, I'm not window level, the guy who punched through it is.
Honestly I love both Super and GT and wish we could have gotten both of them together in something other than heroes because heroes is not as good as the mains series
@@de606returns6 Super Vegetto was using much more effort than you want yourself to believe, else he wouldnt have needed any energy blasts, in which he used several, also he seemed to put everything he had into stopping him from distorting the universes.
ssj Goku and trunks were extremely powerful. At that point Trunks could have one shotted any form of BUU. I like to believe the Grade 4 lvl of ssj was achieved in GT.
I wonder how goku or any of the other guys never sensed any of the opponents from gt power levels or ki during z. They could sense each other from kais planet during the buu saga, if the power level was raised enough. You would at least think the kais would mention there was way stronger people than foes like cells all throughout the universe, but they make it seem like buu was the only powerhouse outside of cell.
@@TheSuperGoober they should of at least gave an excuse like have a scene in any of the gt episodes where goku openly says " I had no idea my ki sensing could have blind spots like this.
i like to think of it as something that aizen in bleach mentioned: the power of them is so far beyond what anyone else could comprehend to the point where shin and co can't sense the power unless the badies would activly weaken themself
Baby Vegeta pimp slaps Beerus into oblivion. Edit: Though never fully stated or confirmed, Perfect Cell's inability to Instant Transmission out of Hell may be confirmed by inferring Supreme Kai had ordered King Yemma to strip Perfect Cell of his Instant Transmission and Super Perfect Form. In other words it was a unanimous decision to prevent Perfect Cell from becoming another Majin Buu causing universal extinction.
In 2023 people over 12yo are still saying Kid Buu was the strongest Buu? If true, Goku got a hidden Super-Saiyan-God-equivalent powerup to fight him 1v1. For context, it's way more than the gap between Kid Goku and end-of-Z SS3 Goku...
For example, ssj4 change state dragon fist goku would have a power level of 229.6585 sextrigintillion, or, for those of you that like big numbers, 229,687,500,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000
@@Anony7528 saiyan scholar did a dragon ball super power levels series, where he found power levels, not multiples of other characters. All of these numbers where multiples of kid buu, and kid buu had a power level of 4,593,750,000,000. Also theres nothing i can do about the scaling, im just giving the numbers he implies.
Your essentially saying that they had to turn Goku into a child because if he is an adult then he plucks the multiverse in GT Adult Super Saiyan form. damn
@@Drumicall I mean, I think one of the great feats Super has was when Goku and Beerus was fighting that their shockwaves were destroying planets far out from where their battle was happening. If it had continued, they would’ve destroyed the universe. That level of power, however, has NEVER been brought up again in Super and is just “I have a different hair color, I’m stronger than you now”.
@@Ninjaguy3128 In the anime Goku surpassed jiren Who surpassed both goku black and infinite zamasu Goku black was stated to be the strongest person they had fought at the time and infinite zamasu consumed the entire timeline and even escaped into other timelines
Next time a Super fan boy wants to says that SSJ Blue Gogeta can beat SSJ4 Gogeta, respond with this, “Sooo basically what you sayin is that Pan from Super can beat Pan from GT? Or Gotenks from Super can beat Gotenks from GT?” & wait on the responses 💀
1. Blue one shots SSJ4. 2. GT Pan wins over Super Pan. 3.Gotenks GT would win over Super Gotenks. Don't know why you brought Gotenks and Pan into this. Pan is Pre-GT young. And in Super Goten and Trunks have become so rusty they can't turn SSJ. Can't really see why anyone would argue anything about those characters. But Blue one shots SSJ4 like throwing a baby into a airplane propeller.
I’m grateful for channels like you who shed light on GT & it’s power scale . I’ve been saying it but if GT was cannon they’d be farrrr stronger than super . I still like to believe in my own head canon that SS4 is the strongest form .
Change state goku after a 100 years could possibly be far far far more stronger than what you suggest. The dragons might of had their own God form for him that's closer to ultra instinct , but takes 100 years to master the form instead of a bunch of transformations and pallette swaps like in super.
SSJ4 Goku and even base Goku in the Super17 Arc both make claims that basically already give him UI, as he claims he "...only needs to see, or hear about, a technique once for it to no longer be able to effect me..." the only question is how much stronger is the UI power boost in the long run compared to Change State (assuming that both UI and CS has a limit)
@@ValorGlory for me personally I always took the change state as breaking the max ki allowed in physical universe, so I'm sure at some point by the 8th UI he will be up there. Maybe he will get a phase ability like obito stuff going.
@@ValorGlory "...only needs to see, or hear about, a technique once for it to no longer be able to effect me..." has nothin to do with ui... base super goku solos.
Converting to Power Levels (only highest power level of each arc) Base EoZ Goku: 4.59375 Trillion SSJ2 Goku (Rildo Arc): 2.296875 Quintillion FPSSJ4 Goku 10x Kamehameha (Baby Arc): 86.611155 Decillion Base Goku 10% Dragon Fist (Super 17 Arc): ~500 Undecillion Change State Goku 100% (Shadow Dragons Arc): ~2 Septendecillion SSJ4 Change State Goku Dragon Fist (100 Year Timeskip): ~229 Sextrigintillion
Pan isn't above buuhan bruh. A character can be off guard/underestimate their opponent while still looking at them. Pan getting Rildo doesn't mean anything, because she later hit Super Rildo down, despite base Rildo showing that he was far more powerful than her.
@@SaiyanScholar Nah it's not about what I want, it's about it not being an actual scalable feat. Again, Base Rildo showed that he was far more powerful than pan. He literally laid her out after her initial attack, meanwhile base Goku was able to keep up the whole time. So you can't even say that pan scales to Super Saiyan Goku, which you gave the impression you were trying to imply by bringing up her knocking him down later. It "happening" doesn't mean she scales. Sometimes characters that are astronomically weaker than others can do impressive things to them depending on the situation.
Rildo was ready for pans attack he wasn't even off guard and even if he had underestimated pan's power it shouldn't have affected him? Just like super 17 vs majuub, 17 wasn't even recognising uub's power, that's super heavy underestimation but did it changed anything? No uub's attacks didn't made 17 even flinch. So your sorry ass reason isn't valid here
Couldn’t buu technically lift more by legit lifting an intire city’s population up with his mind like let’s presume it’s a city like New York with the population of 8.36 million let’s assume the average person weighs 170 pounds buu would have been lifting 712300 tons into the air without breaking a sweat so I feel like at this point in dragon ball they should at least be able to push planets or moons or something lol
Damn the statements, the power Uub showed didn’t require Kid Buu levels of strength in the tournament. The Goku/Uub fight just showed us there was definitely more than meets the eye with Uub. Not that he was on that level yet. Once he started to show a little bit Goku was satisfied.
I like your video but I think you messed up. You don’t really give any good reasons why you think power levels after an extended time or peace would increase so much. You’re also basing your theories off of bad info. Uub at the end of Z was no where near as powerful as Kid Buu and base Goku is no where near SSJ3. Goku wants to train him to bring out the real power. Also there’s no reason to assume training Uub would make Goku significantly stronger than he was in the Buu saga. And the biggest thing you missed is that Goku is intentionally NERFED in GT when he becomes a kid and has to relearn how to use his transformations and abilities as a child. It’s not until the Baby saga do powerlevels start to return to Buu saga levels and finally surpass them. A more accurate representation of power levels Buu saga through GT would be to use the old score CCG/TCG cards.
He totally botched Goten's statement about Baby's power being above the possessed humans that Goten just defeated (a common mistake, granted, since this pseudo-fact is parroted an awful lot in the community) and just assumed it meant that teen Baby > Boo. So he ended up with Goten a bazillion times stronger than everyone and everything, including Goku. Which just doesn't compute. Then he forgot to mention that Goten needs to be saved by Trunks against Yakon in the Super 17 arc. I felt like Gordon Ramsey in one of those TikTok videos in which he comments on cooks slowly turning normal ingredients into glorious messes. Video would work great if it was a thought experiment titled "what numbers do we get if we consistently apply the most hyperbolic spin possible on a few selected statements", though.
x400 increase in 10 years? That's ridiculous. By that logic Planet Vegeta would be full of ssj2's and 3's that could swipe away Frieza's blast with zero effort.
I think it’s the way people train to get stronger, also I don’t think Sayia-Jin’s before they were destroyed, trained much, maybe practice, but not to an extent.
Goku, after a zenkai and training for 3 days went from a power of 8,000 to a power of 90,000. Not to mention Goku and Gohan went from being weaker than the androids to being near the power, or even surpassing the power of perfect Cell in less than a year. Keep in mind, they stepped out of the time chamber early. Another thing of note, Vegetas statements in the Saiyan Saga mentioned that once a Saiyan was born at a certain level, that could never change no matter how much you trained. Vegeta didn't train because he thought he was the best around. Freeza didn't train because he thought he was the best around. Cell didn't train because of the sake thing. And the same goes for: Zamasu, Baby (stealing a body or becoming immortal) Moro (didn't need to) Omega The most dangerous opponents thus far in the Super Manga are so dangerous BECAUSE they found the need to train. Jiren. Freeza. Beerus.
It's nuts to you GT fanboys yet all the bs power scaling this guy does for nearly 3 hours is acceptable, The double standards are unreal with you GT fanboys , If cabba is relative to base super Vegeta , Cabba slams. Cope!
@@Marvel_vs_Capcom84 If cabba was relative to super base vegeta he wouldnt get molested by frieza, not to mention GT outscales super goku and vegeta lil bro
@@ot4viotv773 GT does not out scale super little bro only GT fanboys think that way. Battle of gods ssj god Goku is capable of soloing your little universe.
@@Marvel_vs_Capcom84 Even if this bs was true super vegeta must be pretty weak cuz some random universe 6 saiyan reached his level even though vegeta trained with an angel for months
I was just watching the og dub, and something that came up. I have noticed on some of your other videos. When Dende made new dragonball's didn't that reset everything? How was the dragon arc even possible? The specifically mention all the wishes back to dragonball. Maybe just more inconsistencies.
According to what we know SSJ is x50. I proposed that it should've rather been a (mostly) flat increase, big enough to make the first SSJ fight still work normally. I think Goku had 3m base back then, so SSJ could've been around +147m (or round up to +150m, doesn't change much), just not a x50, because as seen in this vid this escalates to stupid levels later with all the other comparisons. Or maybe x2+120m or something less insane than the cannon x50.
22:58 Yeah it’s implied he went SSJ2 temporarily out of pure desperation. This would explain why he never did it again as it was imo the last time he was truly fighting for his life
and the main reason goku can climb like tht, is cause he was turned back to a child lmao he has the potential of a kids growth is what it all adds up to, which is awesome!!
