This is the best video essay on moshing I've ever seen. Most of the coverage I've seen about moshing mostly covers Metal and the more mainstream scenes, but not underground punk/hc. And the 7A7P shirt helps 😂
Not only an insanely good video about moshing history and styles but this is honestly one of the best documentaries on Hardcore and Metal music and culture I’ve seen in a while.
A lot of d bags would stand around the pit and push and punch people in the pit, like they wanted to get violent, but they didnt want to get in the pit and risk their own safty and thats why crowd killing become prevalent and it was often directed toward the d bags that were pushing/punching from around the pit. At least that what i saw.
@@rustyshackleford735 Wow that’s really insightful and makes a lot of sense. Even at shows today if you get too close to the side of the pit, people will just hit you for no reason. Crazy that crowdkilling was just a reaction to those d bags
Bro, fantastic video and sick 7A7P shirt! This was so well done and covered a whole lot really authentically with a lot of nuance. You really were thorough as much as you could. Even your observations about the subtle differences in moshing especially later in the video around metalcore & deathcore and even the pushback is just spot on. Even the psych part was 100. This was DVD release docu level worthy. Since it covers so much really well, I'm using it as a mental reference for the projects I'm involved in. On a personal level, I got in around 2008, right into the Myspace deathcore era, which at the time felt a lot closer to hardcore culture and the shows here in Chicago were so mixed in many ways; funny going to church / community center basements hearing & watching some absolute br00tality by kids looking straight out of an abercrombie & fitch catalogue; I could go on and on about it but it was awesome! I didn't even take a break watching this, I was glued. Awesome work again. Take care.
I was 13yo when i got into the boston hardcore scene and it was very rough in the pit, but people would pick you up, i dont think the pigpile was that common, i only sawpeople get that rough with boneheads.
I’ve always been fascinated with this subject. I’m old enough and lucky enough to have seen pretty much all of the OG death metal bands in their earliest days and most of the hardcore bands from that era. I was too small to be in the pits but I would stage dive as much as I could and with my size, I’d be up for half to a full song in packed venues. I stopped doing it as I wanted to protect my hands for guitar but I never stopped watching them. Often more than the bands themselves. Especially on the East Coast. The Stillborn Fest in ‘04 is where I saw the most, and the best, pits. Playing in front of a few thousands kids and seeing complete chaos… There’s nothing like it. The craziest was on that same tour with Hatebreed at the Worcester Palladium. The most violent thing I ever seen. Our pits were sick at that show, but Hatebreed was miles beyond. It was genuinely frightening and amazing at the same time!
@@GreyJ47that was my life growing up in New England😂 it wasn’t looked at as cool as it is now back in the day not just listening to both genres but people hated on bands like E Town, Candiria, downset etc. because they were ignorant and just associated rap with nu metal😂
1:06:00 i was at a punk fest at FDR skatepark in Philly back in 2012 where a bunch of kids started wilin out with their spin kicks as well as shit being thrown into the pit. Pvc pipes, random trash and bricks started flying till one kid caught a cinder block to the head which resulted in a pretty serious concussion. I'm all for moshing and mayhem but godamn, be careful yall
We called it "slam dancing" at Black Flag shows in the late 70s. As far I know, I never heard it called "Moshing" until I saw D.R.I. in 1983. Mosh existed in crossover long before thrash metal. I've seen video of a Discharge show in 1981 or 1982 and the pit was huge. When you get your information from Wikipedia, written by poser canoes, don't expect it to be accurate.
moshing is primarial feel, it hits the most inner savage feel of us human ,i went to shows since the 90s from Cro-mags, to STRIFE, to even death metal , obituary, carcass, DEATH spiriutual heraling it's a grate album, by the way bro, that 7 plague isd an amazing shirt!!
Nah, crossover/thrash pits from '88 to "92 were the most insane shit. 30-40 people stage diving off of speaker stacks, barely any assholes ( mostly the people with X on their hands),small, packed venues. Great times. Some crazy lineups too, Biohazard, Internal Bleeding, Leeway, Demolition Hammer, Strife.
It's a "war dance" or "toxic waltz" Proper moshing is done by going around in a circle, today you got the kung-fu kids literally and PURPOSELY hurting one another and that is 100% unacceptable, there is no fun.
