You can’t be friends on track, friendship is on hold once the race begins until it ends. To be the best you can’t assume your friend will give you any quarter in wheel-to-wheel racing. Lando has now been introduced to the real Max Verstappen, with his if I can’t win then you won’t either mentality despite being so far ahead in the championship, he could just take the 2nd place and go again next week but no he has to ruin his and his rivals race.
@@matthewbarber13 well lets say he takes it to the max when defending or even too far. i dont think he wants to chrash with norris in this case. And 2nd is better as 5th its not that he came back to the pit to retire...
The friendship will only survive if Verstappen remains on top. As soon as Norris and McLaren are faster it’ll be over. Max and the Red Bull team are such poor sportsman… zero class.
@@mollyandmaxx😂 show me a team that doesn’t whine about every little thing. Zack brown and McLaren have cried over a lot less. Lewis cry’s every time he get a track limit warning. It’s racing baby any time a team doesn’t get what they want they go cry to the media. The drivers do the same
Why are we talkin about his. Look at the facts last week there were no talks when Norris pushed Verstappen of during the start in Barcelone? No one is talking about this were is the consistency in here!
Once upon a time F1 had racing without 100's of penalties per season. Just let them race. It's supposed to be about racing. Not micro managing. evrything
Once upon a time, Max would've gotten a 10 second stop-go for his antics. Modern F1 are too scared to punish reckless drivers like Crashstappen. Shumi got disqualified from an entire season for caused a crash. Verstappen as done WAY worse in his career and not even got a race ban, which just enables him.
Max joins Schumacher in the club of people who will drive other people off the road all day long and go absolutely fucking bananas if it happens to them.
@@encinobalboaPerez has the ability to perform better than this. But obviously when Redbull rewards him with a multi year contract for getting knocked out in Q1 he has no reason to perform.
IKR. At least he doesn't complain about other drivers moving under brak ... oh, no, wait, that's common too. In fact, he also runs others off the track, but also complains about others running him off the track. It's almost as if he's a bad sportsman, who believes himself entitled to victories.
@@ChrispyNut drivers do this all the time, theyre racing at a top level and have to endure insane conditions, so of course they arent thinking rationally and with a cool head. last time in austria hamilton kept complaining about others going off track limits when he himself went off the track limits and got penalized but no one called hamilton a "bad sportsman", its just that verstappen is dominating now so the narrative is that he's a bad person
@@hhhhhh-vi6sq What the hell you talking about, they're super rational and calm in the cockpit. A good sportsman acknowledges their mistakes and tries to do better. A bad sportsman hide their mistakes and seeks to blame others. A bad sport is one that rewards bad sportsmanship. The sport is primarily to blame, but given the global economic system it operates within, it's entirely normal.
@@hhhhhh-vi6sqyou can’t argue with fair weather Sunday fans. They are just agreeing with the loudest ones out there. If the FIA would’ve given Norris the penalty earlier then this accident would not have happened. Just a couple turns too late😂. You are 100% right; over the decades time and time again the best racers get into racing incidents and it makes the racing great. Loving these RB haters in the comments tho. Coming from a fan of neither but a fan of racing… when you dive bomb 3 times and push the leader off the track on 1 of the 3 and completely overshoot the 2nd and in the sprint run into the title holder and to not expect ‘payback’ is naive. The end result is RB had two cars make the points and McLaren only one… sooo the points speak for themselves
Nah I’m not British and this was clear as day. Love that we’re getting some close hard racing finally but this one can’t find a defence for it from MV. To be clear I don’t support either team or Mercedes…
You're not Dutch by any chance? Ah - you're a zealot, then. You may think it's a racing incident - but the race authorities (who are experts) disagree.
It's situations like this that Red Bull want Perez to be where Russel was and pick up the pieces, yet Perez got beaten and overtaken by a Haas, this guy won't be in Red Bull next year if he keeps this up, that new contract will be ripped to shreds.
People have always complained that Norris is not aggressive enough to be a world champion, and finally when he shows some aggressivness, people complain that his wheel to wheel combat is bad, he is too impatient etc. Come on people, pick up your poison 🤷♂️.
@@MWARIS1 "no one seems to complain about that" So.. are you ignoring all the hubbub in 2021 or do you just not remember? Max was assaulted for basically the entire season because he was driving Lewis off the track basically every corner. The only reason Max hasn't been getting shit for this for the last 2 years is because there simply hasn't been anyone close enough to properly race him.
@@andrewb378 exactly what I am saying, Max might be a good driver but never seen person as seflish and ignorant as him in any sport. Would rather kill someone than let them pass.
Agree, but if it hadn't been for the crash, he'd have been lapped by Verstappen - he finished 54s behind Russell, who was 13s behind before the crash. The RB is either a phenomenal car with a piss poor second driver, or Verstappen is working miracles with it. Seemed like a no-brainer to me to stick Sainz in the second seat. I can only assume Verstappen's contract has veto clauses in it, like Prost, Schumacher (and probably Hamilton, too) had, or Carlos wasn't prepared to be second fiddle.
@@SIXITHS the issue continues to be this. Perez is out of position, Perez continues to be out of position. So when anything additional happens(which is often the case with Perez because he’s out of position) then it compounds the pace/position he’s in… Because he’s out of position
@@SIXITHS Yes but with a tight grid qualifying P7 for the Sprint at 1.322 s. behind and P8 at 0.888 s. behind your teammate for the GP is a sure thing that you can't help out with strategy in the race.
Leclerc pushed Max way wider on this corner and he still made the overtake without any contact, it’s almost like he’s a way better driver than Norris and British broadcasters and fans ruin the sport?
Funny how FIA was quicker to penalize Max many laps after Lando clearly breeched another final "Track Limits Warning"! Great JOB FIA ! They could have avoided this Crash but clearly decided not to do the right thing!
Its not a misjudgment. He's purposfully putting his car in places that force his oponent to concede or crash. Max knows Norris is his only rival and even if they both DNF he still keepd the advantage. He knows next time Norris will now think twice because he has more to lose
People act like max is the only driver that does this. Every driver does this to a point. Lando drove max off the road in the last race at the start and if that caused a massive wreck people would be freaking out even worse… They will shrug this off and be fine next week
He doesn't force the other driver to take evasive action every time, he's far better judged when he divebombs, something you're allowed to do under the rules. That Norris didn't get a penalty for his rather ridiculous divebombs just proves that the stewards are ridiculously bad at their jobs.
Divebombs are OK if they are done right, Landos ones where quite desperate. He was going in two hot on two occasions, and in the first instance when he accused Max on moving under braking he waited too long to jump on the inside and gave Max the excuse to stay on the racing line. Lando could still commit to that and Max would probably give him enough space but Lando would miss the apex and Max would take the place back on the exit of that turn. The attempt which lead to collision was also Lando not taking the space Max left him on the outside. The 10s penalty for Max ws given without much investigation since they new it will have no effect on his result. If they bumped wheels and continued the fight I doubt there would be any decision taken.
Peter Windsor explains it very well on his channel. Verstappen has NO steering input before the turn. It’s the track bending to the right. Furthermore the penalty for track limits was handed to Norris AFTER the race. A five seconds penalty during the race would most certainly have meant Verstappen winning. Facts are friendly.
Ricciardo and Verstappen had many incidents (quite famously) and they, too, have said their friendship survived in part due to Ricciardo leaving Red Bull.
I'm surprised no one else is talking about this. Max took Ricciardo out of the race two times when they were teammates and because Max always got protection from Horner and Marko, Daniel decided to leave.
@@Euclides287 The final straw for Ricciardo was being apportioned some blame for Baku, when he was forced by Horner to front up with Max and apologise to everyone at the factory like a naughty boy.
@@mikespearwood3914 Sure... Verstappen and Ricciardo our fine, maybe not best friends or as close as Max and Lando are. In contrary to the fans, most drivers get along. Lando and Max will also be fine after they have cooled off a bit. But off course the media will do everything to milk this and make this much bigger than what it is.
one guy stayed on the track and the other was off the track to a point he had a track limits penalty which came 1 minute too late. Im not sure how a guy taking the racing line is the problem. Its the guy who was all over the shop driving erratically (Norris). Your image at 7.14 proves Norris just shunted from behind.
It start with Norris saying the unsafe release and want to close the gap to ver, doing divebomb while overtaking off track then pushing max offtrack while he complains to much. Norris is such a whining boy
Max didn’t crack. If Max had really cracked he would’ve just refused to bail out at one of the dive bombs. Max defended very calculated. If Norris expects Max to back out of his divebombs he should also back out when squeezed.
I think Max had a brain freeze and quit thinking completely. But I place a large part if the blame on the officials. Norris had been black and white flagged for track limits and then went off again. All race long the officials were quick to issue their rulings but not on Norris. He should have had a 10 second penalty and it should have been handed down quickly. Had that been the case, Max would have let him go and stayed in touch. There was no way Norris could have pulled a 10 second lead in the remaing laps.
@@sheldoniusRex Formula doesn't have rear-view mirrors? And what I know, if you have a problem in F1, you should turn on red blinking light on back. And what I see Max didn't do that.
I mean, F1 needs to sell the sport. The collision itself was pretty small; Lando could have use a little bit of kerb and be safe (like max did vs Sainz same track 2023) or Max could've left 1 inch more.
@@ghfsd786fa yeah, I think if we have to pick 1 person, Max is at fault here since forcing someone so wide they have to turn in with their outside wheel on a kerb isnt the most clean move. But at the same time it was an overtake for P1 in the closing stages of the race, so 10 seconds penalty seems a bit harsh. But Lando also has to learn to keep his cool in these situations. I feel like he can become a bit desperate in the chase for a win and take unnecessary risks which hurt him in the long run. But good luck telling a racing driver to stay behind his opponent for a bit longer when he sees an opening haha
I think Peter Windsor gave a good explanation of what happened there was more than enough space for Lando. Sainz did the same to max and max slowed and avoided contact and overtook max on the over under. Lando is diving like a rookie
It’s sad that Peter Windsor is making excuses for bad driving behavior on Mad Max’s part. But in his defense Max has been doing this crap forever and it was allowed. Why stop now?
Max has always reminded me a lot of schumacher in that he’s always a happy Chappy and relatively respectful to everyone up until he gets threatened by another driver who could beat him and will proceed to throw every toy out of the cot until he gets his way - he really hates taking full responsibility for problems he causes, unlike other drivers like Leclerc who don’t take almost any issue owning up to their mistakes. Max has the biggest ego on track, it just hasn’t been as present as you’d expect in the last couple years because he’s almost always winning every race easily so there’s no need to show it. This second half of the season is gonna be spicy af.
Agreed on Schumacher. Dude's overrated and half the reason is because he liked fucking people's shit up the moment it looked like he might lose. Damon Hill is a 2-time World Drivers' Champion.
This is spot on. Max is happy when it's all smooth sailing. But when threatened goes into child mode. Norris was faster and should have won, max took him out. Pretty simple.
Hi Im Dutch so immediately hit that thumbs down button before you read this please.. but I have a question: Why didn't Lando simply move to the left when Max was squeezing him? It seems he could have avoided a collusion.
This is how Verstappen drives. He settled down a bit since he first appeared in F1, but more than that other drivers simply learned to give him room in order to avoid crashing. Even Lewis would tend to give way to him because Lewis understood that it wasn’t worth the risk and he didn’t have to battle that hard with Max - until he did. As soon as Louis stopped being willing to simply give way, they started coming together. We haven’t really seen it again since 2021 because Max hasn’t really had to race anybody due to that car being so dominant. The more he has to fight, the more we are going to see collisions - because, as Norris just learned, Max doesn’t fight cleanly, and the stewards rarely intervene when he does things like moving under braking. I feel badly for Norris - He was trying to be respectful, and he really didn’t expect Max to pull the sort of things on him that he had pulled on Lewis. If he was travelling on Max’s plane this weekend, that’s going to be a very uncomfortable trip. And Norris is going to have to learn to fight fire with fire. If you want to beat Max in anything approaching equal machinery, you have to be willing to race like he does, or he will steamroll over you.
Lando completely shot through the turn two laps before and should have thanked Max over the radio for not ending their race then and there. Max is mega aggressive and should tone it down a little, but the way Lando tried to overtake him was amateur like. You can’t dive bomb from 50 m back and expect the guy in front to give up P1 and wish you a pleasant day. He should have taken a different line and go for the overtake in Turn 5. That would have made Max unable to counter him anyway. I think it’s a poor showing from both guys and knowing Max this will keep happening as well. Lando is a fantastic driver that clearly gained some pace and understanding of how to use his tyres, but he doesn’t have the same skill level and decisiveness when it comes to overtaking. He’s just not very good at it and he’s trying to overtake the hottest head F1 has seen since Michael Schumacher. He needs to be smarter
Lando has one win. One. He was only able to challenge Max because of a bad pit stop. Also, watch Max’s onboard. He clearly didnt turn into Lando to purposely wreck his own car. Also, every racer knows who owns a corner. The man on the inside
The difference between a Verstappen 'divebomb' is that he does it once and makes it stick. Other drivers desperately try it multiple times and don't make it stick. Max always only needs one commited and agressive move when he attacks someone to overtake. I guarantee you that if it was Max in that Mclaren and Norris in that RB. He would have passed Norris at the first possible opportunity.
This incident reminds me of the Schumacher days when he was dominating races. In those days he always crashed into other drivers who were about to beat him.
Exactly. Schumi had the proper mentality, not the "we're all friends here and we sing kumbaya" shit we see these days. 100% Max is the new Schumacher and we love him for that
@@lancealvarez1009 That is not the point. The main issue is not about moving under braking. According to the telemetry, he didn't actually move while braking. It's allowed to move left without braking, and he didn't receive a penalty for that either, he would if he did... What's more concerning is that Max should have let Lando pass. He exceeded track limits four times under a black and white flag, but the FIA reported this penalty too late and AFTER the race. If the FIA had addressed this earlier, Max could have won even if Lando passed.
There was no misjudment by Max. He admitted that you yield or we crash. Please stop giving him the benefit of the doubt when he has clearly stated his intention.
Lando could have shifted to the left and avoid contact, let max get the penalty and carry on racing. He refused to go on the outer stripes leading to retiring his car. Lando still has some maturing to do.
@@virtualwanderer that's the problem with moving under braking. Lando can't just turn to avoid contact, because he's braking! That leads to horrible shunts. Trying to force someone to take avoiding action in the braking zone is super dangerous. He can't just "shift to the left," and it has nothing to do with his maturity.
Perez gets a penalty for dropping a few small bits of carbon on the track a couple of races ago. He was given a 3 place grid drop for the next race. Lando and Max completely cover the track in carbon shards and the FIA say nothing? I find it strange when a rule is applied randomly like this.
@@garbage2882 Norris damaged most of his floor and rear diffuser. He was next to Max on track and so if he had rejoined after a tyre change, he would have scored around 5th position - but it was clear his damage was terminal.
@@JakeM218 it wasn't clear, that's why they continued, for Perez it was clear that he couldn't keep going, but he still kept driving so he got a penalty
These interviews are so silly. Look at the first still image at 7 seconds of Verstappen and Norris side by side and then at the next still image at 10 seconds of Verstappen slightly ahead. Edd Straw has the cheek to say "nowhere for Norris to go". What nonsense - he had so much space he could have been driving an Oshkosh truck and there would still be space left before there was nowhere to go. I appreciate that the British fans/press/experts will support their men but FFS, dont just make stuff up to support your argument.
Well, maybe after the 4th attempt of doing the same exact thing into T3, Lando could've tried a different corner? But let's not mention his divebombs right?
Norris his comment is strange. If you immediately say their friendship is at stake because of an incident in the race then you are really frustrated. Max was smart by saying of course we wil talk it out but he first has to watch back the replay. It is also short sighted because of what happened before the incident. First Lando dive bombs, goes off track, also forces Max off track and then the incident happens. Lando was also not really correct in the duel. Then looking back at the duels between Max and Lewis. Max was then blamed for dive bombing, got cut by Lewis in similar ways. Back then it was Max his fault by the British media and fans. Now Lando does this to Max and now it still is Max his fault. In my opinion this is being blown up again by Lando his emotional reaction and the British media and fans.
LOL Lando wasn’t dive bombing when this incident happened. It’s Max’s tactic of give way or we’ll crash which has always been criticized, and that is exactly what he pulled today. Very disappointing, as it puts a very unsportsmanlike end to what was a great battle.
@@valerierodger Peter Windsor explained it perfectly. The DRS is too blame. Alex Brundle also was absolutely spot on that the FIA penalizes the outcome then the action. Many cars in that corner collided but no punctures and no penalties. Max gets 10 sec because of the outcome. Other drivers already should have gotten penalties because of similar actions. The other point Max is going into a corner. He might have looked in his mirror but then needs to focus on the corner and exit. He leaves a cars width or at least he thought he did and then Lando with his DRS drops the car on Max his outside. Peter Windsor said it’s the fault of DRS but after that more Lando his wrong judgement then Max his fault. The other thing he mentioned the rules don’t make sense because every driver goes in and out of the corner differently. They all have a different apex. Peter Windsor is always great because of his neutral point of view. He said this is part of racing if you don’t like it go watch waterpolo. Max or any other driver will not open the door and say sorry I’n in the way I will leave a lot of space so you can overtake me. They will always defend their racing lines. It was not the smartest overtake attempt from Lando. In my opinion there was a lot of frustration in his attempts and he kept failing. He tried to force it too much. At the end it was RB’s own mistakes they put Max in this situation that Lando was able to come back.
If this is going to be like watching two gamer mates fall-out over who wins and who doesn’t - I do think Max is more mentally resilient to be able to handle it in all honesty. He seems to have a detachment from the track that Norris doesn’t have - even though they both can become extremely animated and emotional when it’s not going well
It's a racing incident. Stop making it bigger than it is. It's on the limit, but thats racing. They have to be on the limit. Do you want them to have a gentlement aggrement do let somebody space who will overtake? I hope not....
The divebombs are a bit ridiculous, either the defending driver gets forced off the road or they crash. Also after initial contact Lando clearly turns into max’s rear tyre on purpose after initially turning away to leave space
The first time we saw the double move in the braking by Max was in Azerbaijan 2018 with Danny Ric. It's just ridiculous. He has been doing it for years he should have a proper reprimand.
@@thorodinson7467 That's why he's been getting away with it. He got a reputation for his style of "yield, or we crash". All the other drivers need to have a meeting and decide that every time Verstappen chooses to play this game, he's gonna crash. He'll quickly stop doing it when he DNFs in 20 races in a season.
That's how Dale Earnhardt got 76 wins. He made it very clear "I will crash myself out of second to crash you out of first. Or, let me slide on by you can keep second.". That's how you get the nickname The intimidator.
Oh the-race, as Peter Windsor analyzed, Max didn’t actually moved left, it was the track that is shaped that way. In all honesty the blame is like 60-40, Max actually left a significant amount of space as Landos tire is barely on the rumble strip when they collided, he is not even off the track, Lando’s idiotic dive bombing is party to blame, he is too fast to correct or make avoiding action.
I was fascinated to hear Andrea Stella's comments. He owes Mercedes and Hamilton precisely nothing, and so his callout about the racing standards changing then seems even more pointed. Particularly because Red Bull have not had to put up this stiff of a wheel-to-wheel fight for a while.
Except it's all nonsense. He's defending his driver and preparing for possible future incidents, which is fine. George Russell defends by moving in the braking zone at almost every GP and it doesn't get called a penalty. The FIA is at fault for not enforcing standards properly and for only enforcing them when there's an incident.
@@n.b.5258 what? Neither Russel or anyone else on the grid defends the way Verstappen does, when they do they don't get away with as they get penalties. Verstappen has been doing this since he joined f1, go watch his antics against Kimi weaving left and right when about to get passed, Issue is, everyone around him will say he did nothing wrong, FIA will let him get away with it as long as he doesn't cause an accident like today, so it's just a sad spectacle.
@@unknownapp6347 Not true. Sainz did the same thing at Monza last year, everyone loved it, and he got DOTD. The only difference was there was no incident, which isn't supposed to matter. Drivers do it all the time. Doesn't make it right, but that's why we still have it happening.
Nowhere for Norris to go? Loads of space for him to go, the kerb, the blue painted tarmac behind it and the runoff behind that. Unlike the grass he pushed Verstappen onto in Barcelona. Could've well ended in tears as well. Norris must have decided he wasn't going to be bullied into submission by Verstappen, held his ground and lost out. Could've still scored some decent points, like Verstappen did, but drove back to the pits way too fast and destroyed his floor and what not. I agree that it was a tiny misjudgment. He probably thought Norris had bailed, focused on the apex, moved to the left and at the very same moment, Norris went for it. Kind of how Mass moved over for Gilles and then Gilles decided to pass Mass on the inside at Zolder 82. Had neither of them had a puncture, it probably wouldn't even have been investigated. I feel sorry for Norris. I like him a lot, after Verstappen, he's my favourite driver. He was obviously hurt. But he was maybe being a bit naive in thinking Verstappen would treat him any other way that he would another driver. Verstappen is a ruthless driver who will try to win at any cost, exploiting the rulebook to the full extent. Whether he finishes second because he's overtaken or because he's received a penalty for defending too hard is all the same to him. He only cares about the upside. Norris still has to get there mentally, maybe he will, like Rosberg did in 2016, maybe he won't like Hill did against Schumacher and will have to bide his time and wait until he has a superior car. And by the way, up until the incident it was all fair game. Hard, but fair. The stewards didn't penalize either driver for the alleged moving under braking or the divebombs. Verstappen got penalized for the collision. By the way, last year, Sainz squeezed Verstappen way worse than Verstappen did Norris this year. Verstappen was almost all the way onto the blue tarmac. Yet Sainz did not receive a penalty. So even if Verstappen did squeeze Norris intentionally, he was doing so, expecting not to be penalized.
Stella and the whiners need to f'off. If we sanatize driving to the extend mentioned we'd never have had Shumacher, Senna, Hamilton, or many of the other champions. Let them RACE!! Max is nothing different, or has done nothing different then other drivers did in order to win. Champions have done worst things before to win a race or a championship. And it has created memories we'll never forget. It makes the sport. Do we really want to destroy that? This was a racing incident, and it was also the highlight of the season so far, dont f'ing whine about it, this is what we want to see. This is 2021, in 2024, these rivalry's shape the most memorable seasons in history. MORE plz!!
Max calling Lando unpredictable when he's behind max making the move is comical. You're not supposed to know how Lando is going to attack. You pick a line and stick to it. You don't get to just be in front just because you want to 😂😂😂
Norris was behind, the same situation happened between Leclerc and Max. Max was sensible, Norris knew he was getting the penalty he was doing exactly what he wanted to make Max do something which would get him penalty or cause an issue. Max was ahead, following the racing line and of course he has the right to be on the racing line and get an angle for turning. Blaming this on Max is stupidity and an agenda.
At last, Lando grew a set of balls and didn’t shy away from max and just look at what happened! Let’s hope this makes it game on for the future now and no more jumping out of max way every time is along side each other.
So wait wait one minute. So Lando will lose respect for Max cause of the way he raced him today? Max raced Lewis like this in ‘21 and Lando was a Max fanboy back then, so what happened? Oh I get it it’s ok he does it to the guy that was winning all the time in Lewis, but since you want to start winning races now, Max is a dirty driver?? I didn’t see anything different in Max’s racing today compared to ‘21 against Lewis. The double standards in this sport are amazing!! No one had anything to say publicly in way of support for Lewis with the way Max raced him, but have a lot to say when it’s Lando, including himself. Next time speak up for the right thing to happen, even if it’s against someone else or someone you’re envious of!!
Are you fukking high? No one had anything to say when it was Lewis???? Were you even there in '21? You couldn't get a word in edgewise against the chorus of British pundits calling Max the literal fucking Antichrist over how he raced Lulu.
2021 vibes about max' driving which isnt good and Norris' lunges were a bit too much. In the end they both paid the price. I think one aspect is also that the +5s verdict for Norris was so slow to come. I think if the penalty came earlier, it wouldve made the battle a little different with max maybe not defending so hard or norris realising he need to pass more definitely. The stewards were really waffling.
Norris only got that penalty after they realise they have to give max one hence why it came so quick after the collision. F1 is shit, 2021 Brazil, RBR 2019 no penalties. Like redbull said back then let them race. Well let them race because max is leading already so he will happily crash lando without thinking twice. Am loving this season now
Max and Red Bull never take any responsibility for any kind of incident. I can’t recall a moment since I started watching F1 when a hand was put up and responsibility accepted by anyone at RBR.
I see Hamilton rosberg vibes here competing ruining relationships I don’t think it’s over yet but another coming together could tear this relationship apart like Hamilton and Rosberg just without a championship battle but still race wins are big for lando right now in his career only having one and getting wins taken off him it seems like at every race atm
While everybody world wide LOVES THESE HARD ON TRACK BATTLES, there are still some (coincidentally mostly British) race’fans’ that watch races with the rulebook in their hands. Meanwhile some Silverstone dude is blaming Max for declining ticket sales while all other races are sold out….(???!!!) That dude should be thanking Max on his bare knees after a cracking race weekend in Austria. But what will actually happen is Max being booed at Silverstone next week, just like last year, while on the other hand during f.i. the Dutch GP (with loads of uneducated racefans according to many Brits) Lando will be respected and applauded. Now tell me…. Who are the real race fans…?? 💩
Ironically when alex brundle said max was already focused on making the corner and looking at the apex, probably not expecting lando to be on the outside, and buxton laughed at him, brundle was right as leclerc took the exact same line in 2019 as max did, the only difference being max backing off before trying again later on. Also norris didn’t have a point the first time as max didn’t move, he chose a line and kept to it… hence no penalty!
So absolutely nothing wrong with Lando doing ridiculous, desperate, "Dive Bombs" in BOTH races, risking wiping them out ? Ant Davis analysis...."little bit of a MISCALCULATION from Lando".... hilarious🤣
@@adamjones6252 Watching for 45 yrs, seen them all, seen it all...unlike yourself. Lando didn't because Max has skill and experience. The tight lines he was taking on late brakes was never going to happen. Basic car physics to those of us that understand it. Stop watching the media driven Drive to Survive crap👍
@@ironbutterflyrustedBeing old doesn’t mean you know it all And FYI those “tight lines” where he wouldn’t have made it? Go watch 2019 Austria, Verstappen did the exact same thing to Leclerc and won the race Remember, every days a school day
The dive bombs were perfectly fair moves. The sprint one was completely fair and legal, made the corner and caught max by surprise (like max did this to others). The race one, Lando misjudged it and went too deep but also Max’s racing etiquette of moving under braking played a part in why lando had to go for a move like that. If max had been given a black and white flag for the moving under braking, perhaps lando doesn’t make that move.
Very simply put, if Max doesn't hit Norris, there would never have been a penalty for "forcing another driver off the track" because there was TONS of space for Norris. Norris took them both off track before the accident, and got no penalty for it, even though it VERY clearly should be based on precedent. The only reason Max got a penalty was because a collision occurred, and the reason it looked so weird is because usually we see Max and Lewis do this to each other and the driver on the outside is smart enough to turn with it. They just have to admit that they don't penalize actual driving, they penalize the outcomes.
*Impatience & poor decision making from Lando sending it around the outside* Go back & watch Max vs Sainz Lap 26 of Austria 2023. Sainz moves under braking, Max backs off, puts his wheel 'off track' Uses DRS to pass on the next straight for a clean overtake.
MAX Pulled a SENNA v. PROST on LANDO -- IF He'd Let Norris Pass, their Standings Gap would've got Smaller -- But This way, Max further extended his 2024 title Chances. Max.V = Dive-Bomber !
I am personally more of a Norris fan over Max. I understand that Max was ultimately at fault for the final collision but I think Norris would have totally had Max beat by the end if he had just stayed calm. I think the frustration started getting to Norris, leading to his track limit penalty. Then he probably thought "OK. Now I HAVE to pass him AND make up that 5 seconds."
Opposed to what Norris says, they both raced dirty - and that was completely unnecessary, from both sides, with Verstappen still comfortably ahead in the championship and Norris with his 5 second penalty. The McLaren's tyre-slicer front wing didn't help too.
Just like with Lewis, welcome Lando fans. Now you will see that we weren’t just complaining. On a good note, at least Max considers Lando a threat now.
Really? How about you go back and look at how many incidents Hamilton has had since 2021. (Hint, it's in the double digits) This is only Verstappen's second. Before Verstappen, everyone used to complain about Hamilton being the most aggressive driver and not giving an inch. It really doesn't matter who you root for, there's always going to be something.
@@valerierodger False. Through the first half of 2022 he was fighting LeClerc, and behind in points for most of that period. It wasn't until after Spa (which was after the summer break that year) that he started winning without much challenge. He's been fighting Norris since Miami this year without incident until today.
This "Max matured" over the years argument doesn't really stand up. Clearly what's actually happened is Max's car was so far ahead of everyone else over the last few years he's not had to race like a petulant child. Now that there is a car challenging the red bull again he's just reverting to the way he really is. Heck, even after they touched and Max clearly knew his car was damaged significantly he still tried to push him off on the way down the hill. That is flat out dangerous driving and I've no idea why more folks are not talking about that post contact incident.
Of course it's Max's fault because if you look at the standings there's 81 points between Max and Lando for 1st place. Lando was a shoe-in to win the Austrian GP which would have closed the gap from 81 pts to 56 pts. Max didn't and doesn't want anyone that close to toppling him from 1st place. This was a dirty deed on Max's part and once again Max plays dirty to get ahead. He pulled something similar with Charles back in carting days and Max was at fault then too. I would love to see Lando win the Silverstone GP and Max come in 4th. In addition, I don't think the grid penalty is enough. We have all seen Max get away with other incidents and I honestly think that Max should have gotten disqualified or dnf + the 10 second grid penalty.
A) their friendship will get over this _if the blooming media drop the subject_ before next week. That's unlikely to happen because it's clickbait territory. B) the best way to deal with this sort of thing - when it comes to how various rules are interpreted, which leads to on-track behaviour - is to have a group of 3 professional stewards that travel to each race. Alongside them should be a local expert on the track and its quirks, and an ex-F1 racer (if possible, also a citizen of the country where the race is being held), both of whom should give their expert views for the stewards to make their decision. That's the only way to keep the application of the rules consistent. (No, I'm not getting involved in apportioning guilt; just like the huge majority of talking heads on numerous channels and in the more traditional media, I am not, nor ever have been, an F1 racer. I can have an opinion, but so can everyone. They're like @r$h0les - everyone has one and a ton of sh!t is produced by the vast majority of them.)
I think Max and Lando were both right. Landos early moves were ridiculous, Max’s responses were not great either. Lando did dive to the outside after trying the inside the time before. I think to penalise a driver for defending isn’t right, Max needed to swing wide to make the corner. Lando could have moved a little wider as he had room. Racing incident. However, the steward situation is RIDICULOUS
It seems to work though, definitely rattled Norris for a few laps. It's why Norris went off track and had to give back position on one of his attempts.
Everyone in the paddock and anyone watching who has any knowledge of F1 is not surprised by Max’s (illegal mostly) tactics when battling anyone who is a real threat. Anthony Davidson did an excellent review on Sky showing what Max was doing and as a former F1 racer was in no doubt about Max’s culpability on multiple occasions. Unless strong action is taken this will inevitably happen again.
@@tompeters6656 He didn’t make the corner once and that was because Verstappen moved under braking and had to take action. The other time Lando made a perfectly legal move but somehow Verstappen wasn’t deemed to give the place back.
@@ajgooner6728again. that 'perfectly legal' move was Max being pushed of the track to not get hit by a storming Lando... its not hard to see if you are a neutral spectator.
You both need to watch the entire footage from all angles. Norris caused the collision. Max was middle track, leaving norris the inside or outside, Norris collided with max's left rear tire straight away. Then footage is shown of max's car muscleing Norris to the left as Norris comes alongside, at that point Max's car was out of control from the puncture. Not only was this a racing incident, but get off Max. If anyone was to blame more in my opinion, it was Norris. I like both of those guys, but watch the entire footage from all angles before you jump on Max.
Max has been doing this since he started in F1. People didnt care in the Hamilton era because 1. Hamilton had dominated for so long and 2. Enough people dislike Hamilton to act like what Max was doing was valid. Now Max is doing this to Lando, who is very likeable, the people are finally pointing the fingers at the cause of this all along. The rule that max broke was created because of max ffs.
Lando escalated the fight and was totally impatient in his attempts to overtake max. If you actually look at past similar evidence, Lando could’ve avoided this by moving to the left just a bit and probably would’ve gotten past into T4. Just a dumbass sequence of laps from Lando honestly
Good point. That’s sad to watch this happen. I think this is unfair calculating thousands of people paying expensive tickets trying to see a true race, a true winner. You don’t have to be a pro driver to discover how all the racing cars are running on different paces. The only way that you could “win “is crashing with the “ leader” if you have a chance, like happened in this ra😅😊ce.
I've been saying this for a decade now, when max entered the sport. To beat Verstappen, you have to let him wreck you. Drive your line, don't give him a single inch, and he'll end both of your races right there. Max will consistently wreck enough that he will face consequences or learn that he can not race you the way he does currently. He is the only one that drives this way his whole career and everyone pretty much puts up with it. When someone is the first to give you disrespect, you then have to equal that amount to continue being respectful. Clearly no one ever did this to Max on track in his karting days, whether that's because of his pace or what ever the reason. The fact he carried into formula cars is scary but, even worse it went on as long as it has. To elaborate on 'let him wreck you': You move to the inside for a dive-bomb (as DRS lets you), if he swipes in front of you and slams the brakes where you either rear end him, or evade and stay behind, ram him. He didn't have to cut you off dangerously. Like he did here in Austria (multiple times) and loves to do as a defense of turning back into you when going into a corner, just pin him to the smallest entry angle and let him out drive himself into you. I'll gladly take 24 DNFs a season from him when I guarantee he DNFs with me. 40 years ago he would have gotten a soap sock for the shit he has pulled.
