A GameCube classic for many, Metal Gear Solid: The Twin Snakes has a good bit of controversy surrounding it, both now and at the time of the release. Let's talk about why.
Twin snakes was my first foray into metal gear series. I completed both endings and loved every second of it, still looking for another copy for my gamecube collection.
@@califaern3sto Sounds like it depends which one you played first. I can understand why those who played the original would have gripes with Twin Snakes. As somebody who played TS first, those gripes don't bother me at all, and it's probably my preferred version.;
The best way to look at twin snakes is pretend it's a retelling of the events by someone else. Word of mouth. You know how stories over time keep getting exaggerated more and more. That's what that game is. Its amazing
I liked both versions. Played the OG first. The only complaint I had was that MGS 2 was on the ps2 and the controllers had pressure sensitive buttons so you could draw your weapon in first person but you didn’t have to shoot if you let off the button ever so slightly. Wasn’t the developers fault just what we had on different consoles back then. Wish I had kept the copy I had on GameCube. $40 at launch, it’s expensive now lol.
never liked the pressure sensitivity face button concept as much as analog trigger in a 1st and 3rd person shooting game much. for me it just add too much frustrations. i think in mgs2 - where you suppose to use a enemy as a human shield and force him into the eye scanner to unlock the door to progress, i end up choking them to death instead. why can't we hold him while hold the circle button (i think) from behind while crouch, force him to scan his eyes to unlock and let go the button for solid snake to knock him out (kill him while he already knocked out - if you want too with a suppressed weapon or knife).
i thought the gamecube has analog triggers? anyway yeah, man, sucks not knowing wether or not your games will be valuable. the one regret i have is trading in my copy of paper mario for a 360 game. i lucked out on my copy of twin snakes cuz i bought it for 20$ at a local video store before they stored their gamecube collection. so whatever gamecube games you get, even if its not expensive at the time, just buy it. you never know.
The way the dialogue turned out on the PS1 Metal Gear Solid was mostly the work of the localization team. I think they took some creative liberties which didn't fit with Kojima's vision for the game, so the changes were made for Twin Snakes. Mei Ling is voiced by the same person in both games, but rerecorded in a regular American accent in the latter.
I'd had someone point out to me a theory of the differences between the two versions. The original MGS1 is what really happened, but Twin Snakes is Otacon telling the story to Sunny as the two of them are raising her. All the bombastic additions are Otacon embellishing the facts for the sake of sounding more interesting.
@Protomat nah headcanon is stupid. Nice try. The real answer was the director who Kojima told to do it in his own style was just trying to make Otacon look like a bumbling fool when he isn't.
Nice to see RGT share some knowledge, rather than just (1) passing along the rumor of the day or (2) denouncing those passing along the rumor of the day.
Mei Ling is voiced by the same actress, Kim Mai Guest, but they dropped her previously used Chinese accent because her backstory didn't really support her still having an accent. Also, ALL of the dialog had to be rerecorded, so every actor needed to do their lines over again, plus some additional dialog. Fans had a big issue with Naomi Hunters performance in the Twin Snakes. It was done by Jennifer Hale, and she has always done a fabulous job, so many fans speculated that whoever did the voice directing wasn't the same person, so they didn't get a performance that matched the original. Some say it was early on her career, so she may not have even remembered much about her original performance. There are even other lines that fans said were better in the original, which has led to many saying the overall performances were better in the original. That where much controversy comes from, along with the new over-the-top cutscenes.
Damn played Tha game a few hours ago randomly on dolphin (yes I had it back then on gamecube) and now see you uploaded this video. for me personally twin snakes was better even though I grew up with the original and people complain about the voice or the over the top scenes but let's be honest every metal gear had over the top scenes I love twin snakes and I wish they would put it in the collection that is coming soon.
So no mention of the music? Mgs1 music is legendary and has feeling. The only thing that twin snake did that sounded decent was psycho mantis theme. People have shown cutscenes from Twin snakes that would have been better with the mgs1 soundtrack. Hell they could have made cover versions of the mgs1 songs.
@@riony6955But he IS super human. That's the point, he, Liquid, and Solidus are supposed to be clones of Big Boss, who is the world's greatest soldier.
we can't even jump with Snake on the game but on the cutscenes he can jump 20 feet and step on missiles. It's stupid. the original is somewhat grounded, it finishes with a high speed car chase and an accident. Super human stuff, right?
The Revolver Ocelot fight is not an issue at all since, in both game, you can just sprint behind him and shoot at the same time and you kill him super easily regardless.
Thanks for including the Snake throwing the grenade down the gun barrel of the tank scene. I laughed so hard at that on my first play through. Like that wasn’t in the original! 😂
I love the original and I love the Twin Snakes. Both are excellent and both have their strength and weaknesses. btw Twin Snakes cutscenes have been made by a japanese director who is famous for this sort of cutscenes so it had nothing to do with the hype around matrix (which was already years old when twin snakes came out)
I played both. twin snakes is my preferred version, however for nostalgia I was a young kid playing the original and having fun with the vr missions was awesome and now I have the master collection for switch. But gameplay experience I truthfully enjoyed twin snakes and I appreciated the facelift it received.
So this game, I loved it. I loved the OG Metal Gear Solid. The updates of game were great, now the decision to take the route of adding over the top anime type comedy/action was its biggest set back. I think if they stayed true and just remade it with the updated graphics and game play I feel that this would be the go to for anyone wanting to go back to play MGS. But they wanted to do Nintendo things lol so most people I know go back to the PS1 version due to it being more serious in nature. Just my 2 cents, I love all things Metal Gear (up to MGS 4) lol
Having played both I much prefer Twin Snakes. The biggest letdown was no VR missions but the increase in quality of the rest of the package negates that.
There were originally plans to include VR. But due to the limits of storage space on the GameCube disc format, made it a tricky situation. It would have been a 3 to 4 disc set instead of 2.
The differences really aren’t a big deal to me. The ocelot fight can be easier but if you really want the challenge it’s not like you have to use first person. Everything else is such a minor thing. The graphical upgrade given to the entire game still outweighs that. It looks so much better than the original and I like the added mgs 2 mechanics. I think they’re just nice qol improvements over the original. Outside of the option of using them against ocelot there’s nothing about them that really changes or ruins the game play. You’ll still get the same story and experience of mgs1 from playing twin snakes.
I don’t know what people expected - the dude that directed the cutscenes was the same one that did the Japanese movie “Versus” (Ryuhei Kitamura). Obviously Kojima loves film and working with individuals in the space…and also, knowing that, the style would be different.
You failed to point out the BIGGEST difference and iconic things that made the whole aesthetic of the OG version come together and that's the OST. Twin Snakes destroys itself by this single handed move
I played the OG when it came out and Twin Snakes when it came out. Both are excellent games, it's just a shame the later has never seen a re release for whatever reason.
I don’t know why the switch wouldn’t have this version of MGS 1 wouldn’t be part of the collection. It’s a GameCube exclusive. It should be there for sure.
Keep in mind that the idea of remakes wasn't as big as it is nowadays. Back then we only expected cooler graphics and music. So my first impressions with TS were amazing because I didn't own a PS2 at the time.
I loved Twin Snakes too because it was the way I first played MGS1. I couldn’t go back to the OG MGS1 because I could never get used to the OG’s controls.
I thought another change with TS was the soundtrack in some parts. Maybe that’s wrong but I thought I remembered that. I do like how they added the main theme song from MGS2 into the remake (forget the name but is from the main MGS2 trailer). That was the one music change that I jumped up and down for. That theme song is just so good!
So to answer your question about Mei Ling. Yes that is the original actress. Fun fact: Snake’s Voice Actor David Hayter gave up half of his salary so Konami could afford to bring the original actors from the first game back for the remake. While that did happen. One character got Recast. Gray Fox who was voiced by Greg Eagles is now voiced by Rob Paulson. Who is known to voice 80s Raphael and 2012 Donatello from the Ninja Turtles Franchise. And THE MOST POWERFUL FICTONAL CHARACTER EVER….. Carl Greg Eagles does still do a voice in the game but as the much smaller role as the DARPA Chief
So the whole accent thing has been explained before. The actress for Mei Ling and Naomi dropped their accents because Kojima never wanted them. He wanted everyone to speak perfect clear English. But, the localization director decided to add these details. When they got back together to rerecord the lines in Twin Snakes that localization director was fired. He changed a lot of lines and disagreed with Kojima on a lot of things. Guy sounded like a prick they way he messed with things during production like arguing over villain names and such. But Kim Mai Guest (Mei Ling) and Jennifer Hale (Naomi) were the original voice actors. They didn't change her voice from a chinese to white woman. It's the same chick that had used a fake accent at one point and they decided to drop it because it was never a part of the vision.
The OG is great. Twin Snakes is awesome. I suspect much of the gripe of that time came from the fact that it was a ‘ hardcore’ exclusive title on a ‘kiddy’ console and beautiful to boot. MSG 3 Snake Eater certainly didn’t pull back to a more ‘realistic’ MGS (as if it ever was) Twin Snakes now is one of the Gamecube’s crown jewels.
I loved both. People always bring up FPV with the Ocelot fight, but they forget to mention you can shoot the pipes, which adds a new way to play. Regardless, I think bashing TTS while holding MGS1 up on a pedestal is wrong (not saying you are doing that). I do think you added good points, nice video!
Thanks for explaining that. Always wondered why this game always seemed to get the side eye when talking about GameCube exclusives. (Or maybe just indifference.)
For people who prefer the Twin Snakes cutscenes: check out a movie called “Azumi” by Ryuhei Kitamura he actually directed the cutscenes in Twin Snakes which is a fact I never hear people talk about.
One of the greatest game experiences I ever had got it used when I was just a kid my pops didn't really wanna buy it cus he thought it was a shooter like GTA but I convinced him it wasn't and he bought it mainly cus it was cheap and this would be my first Rated M game and it went from me being skeptical and bummed out about the gameplay then I realized how violent and the first person in it was I realized I was playing a whole movie I loved the experience especially with all the badass characters
I've been a huge fan of metal gear since I was a very little kid and it confuses me why people are mad about the tonal shift when I feel like that is the tone of the rest of the games
MGS: The Twin Snakes is one of my most favorite GameCube games as well as one of my most favorite games overall in the Metal Gear series and I would really love to see an HD port or something of this game next hopefully for the Nintendo Switch, if possible, which would be so awesome.
I'm hard-core about MGS1, and I can say that when I played twinsnakes I was in love with it. I even loved that there was a game cube in the office room where you meet Grey fox. Yeah the cut scenes were a little over the top, but who cares. He'll look at mgs 3, 4, tell me those cherishes and cut scenes aren't over the top. I prefer a darker more serious tone. But certainly after playing this and going back to ps1, that camera angle is horrible. It makes the game way more difficult than need be
I mean Vamp did some crazy stuff like this in MGS2, and in 4, along with Raiden. The Ocelot fight didn't bother me, as it made it an easier fight, as it should, given it's the first boss battle in the game. As for Mei Ling, its the same voice they used for the rest of the series, probably to get rid of the accent they gave her in the OG PS game. Overall, the changes didn't change anything tone wise, other than showing off how bad ass Snake was, and why he was chosen for this mission.
With the exception of the graphics I have honestly always thought this version was the interior one due to the tone change. However after noticing it missing from the upcoming Metal Gear Solid collection when I think this volume would have been the one you put Twins Snakes on. I’ve found myself fascinated with this game recently and wanting badly to get my hands on it again. Then out of the blue my favorite Nintendo RU-vidr up and does a video on it.
I lived in Korea, where we didn't get jack shit for American games. I ordered a used one complete with manual for 120 bucks from Amazon, it was the only one online at the time, and when it finally arrived at the post office, the package was ripped open and replaced with some lady's heart medication. I just wanted to share my Twin Snakes experience.
Nice summary. To add to the style of action, the action director was renowned action director Ryuhei Kitamura. He is known for his b movies in Japan which feature action design close to HK cinema's. I used to think the cutscenes in TTS were lame but they are indeed like how HK movies or even Hollywood would design their money shots. I like it as I played the game.
I had a Gamecube, but never played Twin Snakes. I did not know it was a remake -- thought it was a spin off or something -- when I saw it as a kid in stores.
The fact it was released on gamecube only and not PS2 hurt it, pri.e example resident evil 4 was exclusively to the gamecube however when it was released for PS2, sales sky rocketed....
For better or worse I only played this version of the game. Loved it but yes I also felt it was kinda ott in some places but thought that was just the overall tone of the game. Planning on picking up the trilogy later this year so will be interested to see how the original game plays
I loved both version. Got a ps1 for Christmas and on the demo disk was a video for mgs1,i thought it looked amazing! Bought a playstation magazine a few months later, i think it was issue 42 in the uk, which had a playable demo..it blew my mind! A video game which was basically a playable movie. Before hand video games were playable cartoons in my mind, as a kid a least. Needless to say i got the full game when it released, and it was unparalleled at the time. A masterpiece. I have it on ps1, pc and gamecube ie. Twinsnakes and i will buy the new remaster collection version when it releases. Maybe its a case of you had to be there at the time to fully appreciate its ground breaking impact but nevertheless i recommended playing mgs1 whatever way you can.
I can actually respect that. Acknowledging the issues with TTS but still enjoying it despite it's faults. My favorite version is still the original. But I never thought TTS was awful. It's fine. Hopefully you do the same with RE and the remakes. One I'd like to see is Classic TR going against it's remake, TR Anniversary. Not many people like the Anniversary version. In particular a RU-vidr I know didn't like Anniversary. She's the ultimate TR fan girl.
I originally sold my PS2 to get a GameCube to play the Resident Evils. I was glad when they ported this. As many know, the GameCubes library is pretty small. So getting a mature game like this was great. Exclusives were still a big deal back then.
I think we should have the option to play either version for the master collection volume 1, or give us PS1 version for volume 1 and GCN version in Volume 2
