I'm a retired ASE Master Technician that was trained at the GM Training College in Atlanta by the experts from GM, engineers who designed cars for a living, and this is some of what I learned about oils there. NO oil is "good for" 20,000 miles unless it's in an engine running on propane and here's why. *_There are no filters out there good enough to filter out the carbon!_* Internal combustion engines that burn gasoline or diesel make microscopic clumps of carbon atoms that stick to the oil on the cylinder walls and get into the oil. They're like *FINE SANDPAPER* and they polish the metal parts, and polish them, and polish them... Until the clearances get big enough to cause something to break, either a lifter that can't hold pressure because it bleeds off too much oil too fast or a rod bearing that bleeds off to much oil from the journal so the inserts make contact with the journal... etc. etc. Even the best oils need to be removed before they get dark, it's that carbon that makes it dark. So the best thing to do is to replace your oil every 3000-5000 miles. This gives you another benefit. Modern oils have detergents that keep the sludge from building up inside your engine so when you drain it out to replace it, the sludge precursors drain out with it. These detergents wear out from heat after a few thousand miles so it's best to replace your oil every 3000 miles and you'll never have to "flush" the engine in the first place. NEVER! I've taken engines apart that had a half million miles on them and had good service records at the dealership they bought the car from. They brought it in there every 3000-5000 miles for an oil change, and this is what I found: CLEAN ENGINES with very thin layers of sticky old oil on the non-wearing metal surfaces; and the polished bearing surfaces were still within specs. Save your money on that synthetic oil and spend the savings on more frequent oil changes and you too can have an engine that'll go to the moon and back. Remember, unless you're burning propane which doesn't make carbon, CARBON is the real problem, not "cheap oils". Those "cheap oils" are just as good as synthetic for normal engines, they lubricate just as good as synthetics. Synthetics would be good choice for a propane burner, then you could go 10,000 miles, that is if they're using super detergents that don't break down, detergents they didn't have back in the 1990's. But in a gasoline or diesel engine, it's a total waste of money, and can lead you to do one of the worst things you can do: *_Go 20,000 miles between oil changes with worn out detergents and carbon particles slowly eating up your engine from the inside._*
Thank you for your thorough and masterful response. Those are very good points and imagining how the carbon works away like fine sandpaper on metal components is a good visualization. You provide enough reasons not to go beyond a 5K OCI.
Yeah, it's actually dangerous to simply flush. It's safer to avoid flushing, especially on newer cars. It's can simply abuse some damage inside the engine. The comment said it all, the chemicals that cause that thin layering on the engine act as a sealant for the long haul. Thank you for the comment 👍
Frequent oil changes are likely best but no matter what I do, my oils is instantly black on my Cummins. High compression will push that blow by past the rings into the oil. I added an oil centrifuge which has actually been removing some of that soot from the oil. I will likely flush the engine to see if I can get the rings to seal a little better.
Oil and filters are cheap compared to internal engine part replacement. I don't blame you for doing extra oil changes after the flush. Some might say it's overkill but it sounds like cheap insurance to be safe.
Yes, the cheap oil and filter flush is actually the key to getting all carbonized debris out. Little extra work - but the engine block is nearly factory-clean.
Having torn engines apart i n the past, that's a yes and a no. Pulling the pan and heads on a used engine is always interesting and at least a cup or two of old oil always manages to hide somewhere inside, the condition of which tells you everything about the owner's oil change routine. But it doesn't really matter, since just doing 2 or 3 short-interval oil change (say 100 miles) in a row you will get very close to "clean as possible" and that's close enough. My own engines upon getting torn apart were always clean and had minimum wear on timing chain and gears (the real test) and I flushed them maybe once every year or two. The flushing isn't nearly as important as short oil change intervals.
Great video. I just did it on a 2011 Volvo S60 T6 with 148k kms. I bought the car used with 113k kms a couple of years ago and after replacing the PCV/Oil catch and seeing some sludge I decided to do the flush. The oil is so clean now that I can barely see it's level on the stick. I'll do it on my '16 CX9 soon too
Good job, i did exactly the same on my Passat CC 3.6 V6 because Volkswagen use 5w30 long life oil and I don't like this oil. So I use Motul Engine Flush, after the first oil draining I put cheap 5w40 with a new oil filter, then I drive about 5 kilometers my car to drain a new time 5w40 oil. To finish I use Castrol 5w40 VW 502.00 505.00 oil with Purflux oil filter and my engine doesn't make the same sound as before, it works vert well without any oil consumption. Now I will replace oil and aller filters every year or every 10000 kilometers. Sorry for my English i'm French !
Your English is great! It is interesting to see the different products people use in Europe. Glad to hear your engine is running nice and smooth, may it run many more miles!
Logically, if you want to wipe your hands, do you use "a dirt or a clean" "tissues/wipes" ? The same thing goes to how to clean inside the engine. You have to use pure things to clean in general with a few good steps. Anyhow, I do believe that the best way to "flush/ clean" inside the engine is : 1- Drain an old oil and oil filter. 2- Add new oil & new oil filter. 3- Add engine flush liquid " any good brand " you trust. 4- Turn on the engine for 10 to 15 minutes . During the operation, don't move your car and don't even push the accelerator " gas pedal " at all. 5- Drain the oil and oil filter again. 6- If your car has "high mileage" , repeat the same procedure twice or even thrice, at the same time. 7- When you finish. Add the oil and oil filter. That would be the last step. NOTICE: Use the cheapest oil , while you do flush engine. I Mean cheap oil for engine flush procedures. The last step, use the best oil brand and original oil filter which would be last for a big while inside your engine. Make it the best, no matter how much does it cost. Pay a few hundred dollars, then you'll gain more life for your engine. By the way, some people do prefer add new full synthetic oil and new oil filter many times and do the same steps with no engine flush liquid at all. They consider the additives of full synthetic oil, enough to flush / clean inside the engine itself. I mean , they clean their engines by using good quality oil and oil filter many times at the same time to flush, with no engine flush liquids . They do believe that the engine flush liquids, make rubber and another stuff inside the engine,,, "dry / worn out" somehow. Maybe they are alright 🤷🏻♂️
I would add only one thing. Mineral based oils are better for flushing engine because they contain more dispersants and detergents. Why? Because they break down more and faster and need those additives.
It would’ve being good to see what the engine oil looked like after 10 minutes of running it and then drain that well compared to the previous oil change
nothing changed inside the valve cover 308,000 km driven audi a4 b5 which has once had a long life service nad dirty engine. the oil was black and had to be changed a few times, but visually nothing changed
I have done the last 3 oil changes every 5000 kilometers. Now the engine is open because of the valve lifters and the chain tensioner change, and at the same time the oil sump was opened. absolutely terrible condition all places, although I have been using cleaning oils recently (mobile1 5w30 esp) . surprisingly, the oil pump strainer was not blocked.
Fun fact from Europe - car manufacturers here say the oil should be changed every 20k miles - because it is good for the environment. I don't get it how eco it is to see a 3 year old car being scraped because it's 100k mile engine with only 3 oil changes seized LOL
😲 Those are pretty extreme cycles to recommend and they better have the best oil to last that long! I am sure it is possible on brand new vehicles but for older cars, not so much.
@@OwenLucas European oils are considered pretty top of the line. However, if I spend 10,20,50K$ on a vehicle, I'm not going to try to save $50-100/year on an oil change or two at the expense of my engine. 1-2 20K, 3-4 10K oil changes and you are out of warranty and SOL. Try and get your blown engine repaired out of warranty even if you had the dealer do all the servicing.
@kris kein Hersteller behauptet das ein Ölwechsel umweltschonend wäre!! Aber in gewisser Weise doch da eben der Leichtlauf wieder hergestellt wird sowie die hydraulische Abdichtung zwischen Kolben und Zylinder wieder besser wirken kann. Pro Auto also doch ein gewisses Maß an Umweltschutz. Aber die Ursache kommt aus den USA die am meisten voluminöse Hubraum Drecksschleudern fahren ohne die Effizienz ihrer 5-10l Hubraum Maschinen zu steigern!!! 2-3l Hubraum reichen völlig für Otto-Normal-Verbraucher das muß kein Doge Durango oder RAM1500 als Familienkutsche sein außer es sind Familien mit mehr als 2 Kindern !!! In Europa hat man immer nach Effizienz mit Kraft gepaart entwickelt was auch funktioniert nur sind die Kunden dumm gehalten worden und die Firmen haben Kontroller eingestellt denen Zahlen wichtiger sind als funktionierende Autos
I used to flush with new oil after each engine flush but I since learned that the oil flush solution is designed to evaporate after you add new oil and drive the car. The specific temperatures of the solution are way lower than the driving temperature of the engine. However, you do need to flush with new oil if this is your first motor flush as the video shows. I actually flushed multiple times until my oil came out looking identical to the newly added oil. Then afterwards, I simply flushed every 3rd oil change and added new oil without the oil flush.
I was thinking to try liqui moly flush on my father's car. Is it safe to use for old car? My father normally change his engine oil on time but is it safe to flush it? Any advice?
what i did is put haf a qt of diesel in the same engine you flushed ran it for 15 min idle and had great results...that was 3 years ago and still running amazing today...also noticed it got quieter over time
Good video, using Liqui Moly or Forte engine flush is good stuff. After the flush I always use cheapest oil I can get (even semi of non synthetic will do) , new filter, run for two minutes. Drain. If oil is still dirty, I repeat the procedure. Last oil and filter is high grade. Also I use Forte fuel additive for cleaning fuel system, fuel tank and add seal conditioner. Never had problems. Even with engines that had not run for years - use fogging oil prior first start up!
Totally agree - second flush with cheap oil - Warm the engine first (Diesel) - Don't forget to change your oil filter after you drop the fist oil&flush out the engine
Just purchased a used 2005 car.first flush at 100 miles 2nd flush 500 3rd flush at 1000 miles using marvel mystery oil.now premium oil and filters for a long happy life with no sludge!!!
I do the extra flushing by blowing out the dirty oil using a small leaf blower with moderate power plugged in from the top engine inlet with clean rags. I've noticed it was able to blow away almost half a quart of dirty oil that doesn't drain with gravity alone. The only downside is oil is blowing all throughout the ground.
That is an interesting approach! I guess if you tape a bag around the drain hole it could prevent it from spraying and catch everything for easy disposal.
Liquimoly makes a dam good product used one of their products on a corvette with a nasty lifter tick, made it run smooth as silk and never ticked again
Mechanic here 15 plus years. Use the BG brand EPR engine flush no need to do an extra oil change. Safe for enigne and seals. Good idea to flush newer vehicles every other service.
I appreciate the oil states could last 20k miles, I would never leave my next oil change that long. I don't flush my engine on my vehicles, I just do regular servicing at intervals given, both vehicles happy at 200k plus.
Thanks for sharing. The 20k oil will be analyzed by Blackstone Labs once it reaches that point to see if there is any life left in it and how it did overall. So well see in a few months!
For my cars, and for other people that they care about their engines in Poland, 10k kilometers is the limit. Compared to The high mileage 20k miles shit
Irv Gordans went 3,000,000 miles with oil changes every 3,000 miles. A good way to know when to change your oil is if you begin not to see your oil level lines on the dip stick through the oil. It’s time to change oil and filter. Over fifty five years using this method and never ever had an engine fail. When I sold the vehicles people commented my engines as being the best seen and heard. I would reply thank you I take care of my vehicles.
That was an expensive oil change! I do something similar every 4 or 5 changes because I buy 5L of oil each time and save whatever is leftover for the periodic second flush. I use a LiquiMoly flush, then I run the cocktail of leftover oils with a cheap filter for 500 miles before doing the proper change. I also jack the car up at all kinds of angles to get more out of the sump lol. Perhaps OCD, but I enjoy doing it. I've also tried the LiquiMoly Sludge flush which you run in the engine for around 100 miles.
That's a very good approach, you must have a super clean engine! I just got a can of the sludge remover, not easy to get in the US, it came over from the UK, can't wait to try it out!
I also get 5 L canisters and my car takes 4 Litres. I just measure out a litre and when the draining oil is almost all out I just flush the pan out by adding the litre with the drain plug out.
Probably not necessary to try to get every last drop of dirty oil. You can't do it unless you want to take apart the whole engine. I learned this when I took apart my 1988 Nissan pickup, it had 180,000 miles on it and only 100K of those miles were mine. I changed the oil every 3 months like clockwork and here is what I found when I took the engine apart to do in-car overhaul: the timing chain was like new (although the tensioner was chewed up but not all the way gone). The connecting rod bearings were like new, and no ridge at the top of the cylinder (as happens on under-maintained engines). The piston rings were still fine but I changed them anyway (after honing the cylinders). In short the engine had no sludge deposits and little noticeable wear, you'd need a micrometer to measure any. Changing oil too often is the better course of action, to me.
I’m currently trying to help out my 2006 GMC Sierra 1500 with 306,800 miles (5.3L L33 V8.) Put Seafoam in the oil, ran an extremely high concentration of it for about 20-25 miles in the gas tank as well (26 ounces to about 3 gallons of gas.) Did the intake spray as well. The past two oil changes I’ve done them 2,500 miles apart. I put Seafoam in at 1,200 miles and once I hit 1,500 miles I am going to add Rislone engine treatment and let it idle/low rpm drive through the neighborhood. After, I plan on draining all oil and maybe even pouring a quart or two through it just to get whatever’s loose at the bottom of the oil pan. After watching this video I’m going to buy cheap oil and a filter and let it pick up all the detergents and residual sludge/loose carbon. Hadn’t of done it if I didn’t see this. Thanks!!
Drain old oil first and then fill new budget oil with liquimoly for more flushing power.... Then fill as usual..... My old 2003 E320 wagon loves it...172K miles
If you drain the oil after flush whilst engine is still hot leave it for 5mins the chemicals actually burn off, by design of the product. You can simply flush again with oil to be extra safe but you don’t actually need to!
I change my oil every 3000kms since i did my rebuild. Barra 4L bored out to 4.1L and built for 1500kw. I NEVER USE ENGINE FLUSH. No carbon build up after 100,000kms... I run the correct temperature oil. For me its 10w50. If you run an oil thats not designed for the heat and runs too thin it WILL burn and go black. Inside of my motor still looks new. And if you want to decarbonise your motor... change the oil more regular and use a few cans of throttle body cleaner at idle through your intake (brief sprays so the motor doesn't stall). That will release carbon in your valve paths and clean up the pistons and clean your intake... Then drain your oil... Engine flush is bad on crank and rod bearings and ruins valve seals and main seals and eats away at silicon seals (oilpan seal etc)
i never had to flush the engine as i used to change the oil every 5000km even if the oil can be used for more mileage however im now using diesel engine oil which have more solvents.. the results are unbelievable at replacing the valve cover gasket the valve cover and cams were so clean
When I replaced the valve cover on my 2001 BMW at 170k Miles everything was sparkly clean in there. No oil residue build up whatsoever. I think modern engines, if oil is changed regularly, don't have as much gunk in there as people think. I replaced oil every ~8k miles
Top tip. You don't have to use engine oil flush if you change your oil regularly. 5k miles for regular oil and 10k miles on synthetic oil. Change your oil people.
My oil was changed regularly for the past 15 years, at some point gunk and sludge will form from heavy use. It wasn't too bad on my car but imagine a taxi idling all day or a work truck towing heavy loads day in day out.
@@barrypowell829 I usually go a little over 3K with regular oil or synthetic blend. 10K between oil changes seems to be temping fate. I assumed there is some small print that says "Up to" right before the 10K recommendation with synthetic oil. I probably change mine too early, a habit I picked up from my Dad. His theory was he never saw an engine fail because the oil was too clean.
Got a 2006 Corolla and have 260k miles on it. Never had a problem aside from a worn out clutch had to replace it on 190k. Modern oils have detergents that will clean your engine. Please stop using engine flush, you will scar the bearings and crankshaft. By the way I forgot to say it's 5k and 10k highway miles. If you live on NYC or LA with traffic you should change your oil early. Try to check the dipstick every week to see if it's already black. Drive safe everyone.
Can't argue with that. I watch a lot of these videos and read a lot about car maintenance. There's a lot of things i wanted to try including engine flushes just to make myself think i was doing something amazing to keep my car tiptop. After consuming so much information, i came to realise no, it's actually just that simple. The best quality oil does all the work for you. You just got to keep it there fresh and clean every 12000km in my case. Anything beyond is just trying to do something to tell yourself damn I'm so good at maintaining my car, look at all this these things I'm doing
Used to do this with transmission fluid , drain out a qt. Of oil add transmission fluid run to operating temp let cool down repeat , always worked good for me , old timers method.
Be careful using these chemicals It could knock off sludge and if it’s a chunk it could get caught in a very small clearances of the engine. Instead use something like Castrol GTX ultra clean oil. It’s not a harsh cleaning. Change the oil every two thousand miles a couple of times. That way it’s slower but safer. Just my opinion.
Have you seen hot shots secret stiction oil treatment? What that does is turns the sludge and chunks of carbon back into a liquid for the car to easily expose of them. I'm waiting for some to arrive to try out as many people are talking about there products
Wow! Finally someone uses his brain lol! I always said this is the best way but ppl always say it's ofc a bit more expensive. Few ppl really LOVE their car or cars in general. Perfect mate!
The final oil fill was with Mobile 1 Extended Performance High Mileage Synthetic. Designed to last 20k miles or 1 year. If I notice any issues I'll change the engine oil early but I think it will be fine. I'm going to complete an oil analysis once the 20k is completed so stay tuned!
@@OwenLucas why not do an analysis at 10k and then again at 20k? If the oil isn't doing its job well, then you'll know sooner before doing more damage than just letting things go.
Nice explanation. I have a Mitsubishi Lancer 2005 with 100k miles and I was planning to treat it with the engine flush, for the first time. However, I've seen other videos in which they suggest avoiding the use of these additives because, according to them, they can mess the seals and carry aggregates to places where they should not be. However, I see you used it on a similarly aged engine ...
I have not experienced any problems so far, runs just fine. Liqui Moly's website states: "Neutral to seals and other materials installed in the engine".
I agree also if you didnt build the engine i wouldnt recomend flushing it unless it is pivital to fixing a existing problem. I found after flushing a engine that where prior mechanics had used black rtv silicon that the silicon became soft elastic mushy and started leaking oil permanently where there was a good seal before the flush. I recomend not doing it unless you know all the engine parts will be able to handle it..
Unless you have a problem, just throw in seafoam, marvel mystery oil, or another such product a few hundred miles before the change. Its not as aggressive and people have done it for half a century with no problems
I get the engine hot and put in a quart of diesel then let it idle for 10 minutes. It gets way more stuff out than a normal drain and doesn’t cost anything.
Back in the 50s, people would drain the oil and add gallon of kerosene (was cheap then), run the engine for one minute, then drain and leave the plug out for l can’t remember how long to make sure it’s all gone . Then put the new oil in. I saw my dad and the man who ran the gas station do this.
Engine flushes were especially important back in the day when oil filters weren't standard and oil technology was basically crude dinosaur stock. Thank you for watching!
Open You Secret! You can use diesel fuel mixed with cheap oil 50/50 instead of LM and pour this iMIX nto your empty engine 4-5qts. Idle for 10-15 minutes.The temp should NOT exceed 70 degrees when you idle motor Turn off. Now change filter again and put new normal oil! This solution is lot cheaper and cleansing engine with same effect as LM but in much cheaper way! You can't mistake, because you MIX diesel with clean new Oil Diesel has nice cleaning ability and will not distroy rubber gaskets and s.o.
That’s a good practice but not necessary unless the engine oil changes been neglected. On regular oil changes you can use flush and then replace the oil and filter and you are good to go 👍
I flushed my 2017 Hyundai sonata with over 130k miles. Flushed it twice with a new oil filter each time then added the right amount of oil. My car runs fine and no problems at all. I do change my oil regular every 4k miles. No big change at all but just wanted to test it out and see if I can tell the difference.
I'd put at least 2k miles on intermediate oil. Still strong cleaning power. A short change interval would keep cleaning the engine instead to throwing new oil out. That's waste!
Especially in this case. Mobil 1 to flush. That flush isn't even needed, since the remaining is so little contaminant, that I'd go a full interval on the intermediate Mobil 1.
Change your oil every 5k and this shouldn't have to be performed unless you really like the car and plan on keeping it for a long time. As a dealership tech I can tell you that MOST do not care this much about their vehicles. If they did I'd never have work.
I own an 05 Civic with oil consumption. Would this be reccomended to do on the engine? I've been told that flushing the engine could cause more oil to be dispursed & that'll create an even bigger problem. I plan on using the Liquid-Moly Anti Friction, but would the flush alone protentially cause more problems? Thanks. V-TEC engine @ 170k btw
@@dbzownz12345 in your case I'd think possible piston ring issues, they may be worn and there were issues around your year range with blocks leaking from the factory and head gaskets blowing. The block leak was a recall so I'd doubt that's an issue and a blown head gasket is pretty noticable so u doubt it's that. So I'd focus on sealing any leaks and then see how it consumes. If it still a serious issue after that I'd recommend piston rings.
@@alleyesopen7776 What's the best product you'd suggest for sealing the leaks? I've ben told to use Rislone (yellow bottle) or their Compression Ring Sealer or Liquid Moly Anti Friction. Also heard Seafoam HM formula could prevent blow by as well, thoughts? Thanks.
I would never extend oil change to 20k miles because it means problems. Many cars in Europe that have extended intervals (30000km) experience problems with bearings or timings chains. 10k is long enough and doesn't hinder engine life.
Everything you did was right, you are close to perfection but you should remove the crankcase or sump at the bottom after draining the old oil with liquid moli , to assist the secondary cleansing with the cheaper oil before you go for the final oil
You are correct about flushing the engine with clean oil. 10-20% of old oil and solvents will remain after a regular oil change. Some think all those chemicals will just evaporate, but they are wrong. If you want to see if the flush helps, you need to do two clean oil flushes first to get a 99.9% clean sump, sample the oil using a lab. Then add the flush detergent/solvents, run the engine as directed. Sample the oil again for particle count test. The second drain in your vehicle the mixing of old oil with new, and not the result of the flush. Flushing with clean oil works far better.
If you flush for the first time in a high mileage engine= add the flush in the old oil, empty, put new cheap oil + another flush, empty... And put new good oil, you are done.
Used to do all this fancy shmacy stuff, great feeling but i didn't seen any change even on quite used cars. Now i just suck the oil out, change all the filters, suck the oil out of the filter assembly(top mounting filter) and the diesel from the filter assembly. I do this every 15k Km even that the long life interval is 30k km and i dont get any issues what so ever. Its fast, cheap and quick. Full oil and all filters change takes about 30 mins and it costs less than 50 euro. The old will get degraded anyhow and diesel or water may get into it anyhow. Changing it on regular basis with even cheaper brand and the filters is actually much much better than using 'high' quality stuff, conditioners, cleaners and all that show. The oil is not just lubricating but also cooling the engine, the oil filter is catching all the gunk, do that often and you dont need to worry for years.
Agree, unless the condition of the car is unknown. I picked up a 2006 BMW 523i with only 68,000 miles on it last December. I did an oil change and realized when seeing the oil coming out that it needed to be flushed as the oil change intervals were clearly too long. I did this twice and now I'm confident normal oil changes is all that will be required from now on.
@@readmycomment4696 You will eventually have some breakdown / sludge in oil over the years and thousands of miles of driving, especially if its in a hot climate or under heavy use. This was my cars 1st oil flush and I might just do one just for fun after this 20k life oil is finished.
If you do an oil flush and you get much more gunk out with your fluid drain, then the proof is in the pudding that the oil flush created a benefit worth doing. Some cars are better candidates than others. Some cars burn a lot of oil and may leave behind more residue, while other cars may not have been well maintained by the previous owner.
It sounds really weird but I actually use royal purple after chem flush due to how many specialized conditioners and aggressive detergents it has. Run it a hundred miles or so and then start your cheaper flushes, or just stick with the purple if that floats your boat, I'm an amsoil guy myself. It's more expensive, but it's the way to go.
@Highlights Unleashed I never use true aluminum LS's buy only iron block lm7s and sbc and LA chrysler and Magnums. I have NEVER seen white sediment from royal purple and I have no problems talking trah on royal bc I an AMSOIL guy. The shit works fine and actually concerned why you're getting white chalk in your builds
Not talking shit I have aluminum upper intake manifold and I tried using it as a degreaser and it caused it get this chalky white powder all over it. I was like you got to be f@@in kidding me 😂 I trying to clean it not get it dirty.
@@-OokySpooky- That 'chalk' is the cleaner eating the aluminum... Those types of cleaners have to be thoroughly rinsed off raw aluminum or this is the result. Scrub the snot out of it with hot soapy water, that probably won't remove all the oxidization but should prevent it from getting worse. So be careful where you put the Purple! That's all I'm saying
Frequent oil changes should be all you need. Just use good quality oil and filters and dont go over 5K (synthetic) or 3K (non synthetic) and with modern oils with their detergent packages, you should be good to go.
You missed one very important step just at the beginning: before pouring the LM, make sure, that after adding it to the oil, the oil level on the dipstick is still in norm level! It was written on my LM bottle/can... So if You have your oil level topped to max norm level, better suck some out before adding LM. That step wasn't mentioned in this material, but interestingly LM doesn't say anything on after the flushing another flush with the fresh oil before pouring the good oil. Maybe market dependable?!
I’ve heard that too but I’d be careful, who knows what it does to seals over a few days. Some people have used diesel fuel successfully, only for 20 minutes though, idling only. I’d rather do that than ATF.
There are some other methods to prevent blow by gases from entering the combustion chamber like adding a catch can and cleaning intake valves. It would be more logical to prevent gunk entering the engine and then clean the engine with engine flush.
On my 2002 V6 Camry, I installed a generic universal clear plastic fuel filter, into the PCV line that goes from the valve cover into the throttle body/air intake system. The amount of oil it catches is tiny but it adds up, maybe half a teaspoon of oil inside that clear filter per year of operating the car.
Save money, flush with atf . I've worked as a ASE Master Mechanic for 20+ years, always used atf. It's great for flushing, or you have a stuck lifter, just use some atf.
What I would do is to drain the old oil (without Liqui Moly Pro Line Engine Flush ®️) then fill it in with a cheap oil but still has the right grade and a cheap oil filter, run it idle for 15-20 minutes then add the Liqui Moly Pro Line Engine Flush Pro Line®️ then drain. I wonder how the color of the new oil would look like
I own an 05 Civic with oil consumption. Would this be reccomended to do on the engine? I've been told that flushing the engine could cause more oil to be dispursed & that'll create an even bigger problem. I plan on using the Liquid-Moly Anti Friction, but would the flush alone protentially cause more problems? Thanks.
@@dbzownz12345 bro I flushed my 359,000 mile CRV and added Ceratec and it literally transformed the car and made it run 10 times smoother. Don’t listen to all these dorks- just do the flush and add Ceratec or MoS2 and enjoy the great results
@@mcdoob What if the engine's burning oil? Just changed my PCV valve with recent oil change. Seems to have helped a bit, but burning oil can't be stopped unless I tear down the engine. Thought? Thanks.
Idk if I would ever want to go 20k miles on an oil change even if it said it was good that long. I use synthetic and change every 5k miles and my engines are like new inside. LiquiMoly is a great product I use their ceratec once in awhile and I try to use the mOs2 treatment at every OCI.
I drove new Ford Transit van at work (European version). Factory oil change interval is 25 000 miles. Van is 1 year old and still haven't had his first oil change. It's been used almost everyday on highway. On top of that it had stu*id start and stop system. This van will have new engine and turbo in it in just few years, just in time when varranty on it expires😉
What’s interesting is that after taking out the oil with the flush chemicals, what’s left is minuscule. 10% of the oil and this 10% of the chemical. And being hydrocarbons and alcohols, they actually have a low flash point and will boil off completely from the new oil in a matter of hours. So I doubt the low concentration remaining and then evaporating will cause any damage to the engine. And manufacturers of flush chemicals would say that it must be flushed again if this wasn’t the case 🤷♂️
Try the same thing without the Moly and you'll see similar results and you won't have to worry about a cleaning agent diluting your oil. Run the fresh oil, pull a sample out, then ad the Moly and you'll see it's about the same when you drain the Moly. Unless the car is really gunked up, mostly the flush agent is a waste. The only real question is do you want to remove all the residual dirty oil with cheap oil before you add the good stuff? Another option is do a 1000 mile slow flush with Marvels or a RX auto type product. This way you are not damaging seals nor expecting all the cleaning to be done in 15 minutes. Then after 1000 miles you can change to the expensive oil and filter. These thining agents give us this quick fix, but do you really think thining your oil is a good thing or that solvents and oil seals go well together? Why not just use kerosene, diesel or La's Awesome Degreaser if you want exciting results that might damage your engine? What manufacturers manul recommends flushing your engine with thinning agents?
Those are good points. I think LM recognizes the thinning action of their flush which is why the instructions only ask to idle the engine for 10-15 minutes. They state not to drive the vehicle or rev the engine. I believe this is because, like you say, the oil is thinned and any load beyond idle would damage the bearings.
I was considering running liqui moly with new oil and an old filter, then follow your procedure to flush and fill with new oil again, let it run, drain and then refill and replace the oil filter
20K miles is outrageous. Why cant people just change the oil at a normal schedule like the old days. Use Mobil 1 but change it every 3K, and you wont have a problem. Premium synthetic oil and filter but much lower mileage, that will win the day.
20K Miles for an oil change interval? Isn't that too long dude? For me, 8000 - 10000 Kilometer interval is safer, depends the road and traffic you drove everyday.
I'm trying out Mobile One's 20k mile extended performance oil for high mileage engines. Its rated for 20k. I normally do 5k intervals and have since I owned the car from day one. So this is more of a test, if it starts to feel or sound weird I'll drain it early. I'll send a sample of the used 20k oil to a lab for analysis and let you guys know what they say so subscribe to stay tuned!
@@janisb5522 true. But also depends on the oil too. The oil he used is high mileage rated, just like there are oils for 3k, 5k or 10k intervals. Even those oils need to be drained if driven under harsh conditions.
As my number one mechanic with over 40 years in the industry taught me use good quality gasoline change your oil every 3000-5000 miles using good quality oil and filter and flushing isn’t necessary at all I have owned several vehicles that have gotten 500,000 miles plus non Diesel engines
The Toyota 2az-fe engine in certain Toyotas have a high oil burning issue. It’s notorious for this. Unless the oil was changed every 2k-3K in the beginning, most of these engines are consuming oil at a high burn rate of 1 quart every 500 miles or 1 quart every 1K miles. Sometimes, it’s worse than that and nothing wrong with using an engine flush to help alleviate the oil burn rate. Not everyone can tear down an engine and repair the defective piston heads in these engines
I have very little oil burn at this mileage. By the time I get to the usual 5000 mile oil change interval, the reading on the dipstick is slightly above the low oil mark but still within the safe zone.
This can happen on very old and dirty engines. How many miles did it have? With older engines, it is safer to do a flush with only half a bottle of the flush or even better 1/3.
Don't use oil cleaners they will hurt engine components.just oil with higher cleaners already in it will be the best Plus change oil every 3000 to 5000 miles not 20000 .and if you don't beleave that then look up lake speed jr he's a oil analyst.dont use seafoam and other cleaners they will hurt the engine. But check with lake speed jr he will aim you to the right oils that will help. Remember oil film is critical for your engine if you take that away it will scuff bearings clyder walls hurt rings valve guides cams ECT ECT....
You could if the budget permits, use the flush with a new oil and filter, Since the old oil has already lost most of it's ability to transport sludge etc (by keeping it in "suspension"), and the old filter has also lost it's ability to effectively filter the oil (trap the sludge and stop it from being recirculated in the engine).
From Liqui-Moly's website: "Suitable for all gasoline and diesel engines with and without a particulate filter (DPF/GPF). Ensures the perfect hydraulic function of oil-controlled systems such as VVT, VANOS and similar. Can be safely used in vehicles with toothed belt running in oil. 500 ml sufficient for up to 5 l of oil. Tested for use with catalytic converters and turbochargers."
Excellent view point. While adding the flush. Should i need to remove existing oil by the volume of flush we are adding. My engine oil is 3.8L capacity. Planning to use Liqui moli flush
Guess I am not delaying my engine oil change and engine oil flush anymore. Currently, I have an engine oil additive helping prevent serious issues for a few more weeks. It keeps the engine extremely cool. So in coming weeks, I need to definitely buy: 1. 2 oil filters 2. 4 liters of 5W-40 3. 4 liters of 10W-40 4. 250mL Engine oil additive 5. Liqui moly It is crazy how dirty the engine oil is even if it is brand new suggesting I definitely need to flush off the dirt soon.
The “overkill” comment makes me laugh. Here’s video proof that a ton of sludge was removed from the first flush and more residual sludge was removed from the second. It’s only overkill if performed on a fairly new engine. This particular engine was well over 150,000 miles
I like to clean the throttle-body and idle stabiliser while the flush is running in the engine. Gets all the blowby gunk from around the outside of the injectors off.
If you change the oil filter before you pour in the LM , i think it will have the same effect as what your try’s too do , run at idle for 15-20 mins. , drain oil , change to a brand new filter , put in new oil , and Ceratec it , if above 100,000 , good to go
Think of it like doing laundry with soap and doing laundry with soap and bleach. One is likely sufficiently clean, the other is very clean. Not the most accurate comparison, but easiest to visualize.
@@christopherconard2831 also outside isn't the same as inside. There are so many moving parts inside an engine that after 100000km, the materials are completely different vs a brand new engine that you expect to be clean inside. Imagine a baby's digestive system and a 50yr olds. No one should ever think they need to "clean" their 50yearold insides when there's colonies of bacteria there. So don't drink bleach. And don't flush your old engine