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@General.Knowledge , it's an interesting question. Now, if I were to analyze it from a purely cold, calculating perspective as a Democrat who theoretically did not want Republicans to have more power, it's possible to game this out. Theoretically, both Floridas would be Republican, and each would have two Republican senators. So, on the surface, good if you're Republican. But there's an old saying about Florida: "the more North you go, the more South it gets." Politically and culturally, the Northern part of the state and the panhandle are more similar to the Southeastern US. Now, if the panhandle were largely its own state, it would no doubt be Republican. BUT... would enough Republican voters be left in East Florida for it to still be solidly red / Republican? Hard to say. Not all that long ago, Florida was still a "swing" state: look at how close the Bush / Gore vote was. Without the panhandle the East might just be blue / Dem, Cuban exile descendants notwithstanding. Interesting to game out!
Andrew Jackson was not a founding father, he was born in 1767, he was too young to fight in the Revolution, but was actually a courier for the American forces. Unfortunately, since he was in the Southern theater, he was captured and taken prisoner. Anyway, the point is, he was a teenager during the American Revolution and can not be considered a founding father because he wasn't very influential to American politics until around 1812
Tallahassee is midway between Pensacola and St Augustine. Old maps show Tallahassee as “Central Florida”!! The rest of Florida, the peninsula, was a forsaken, uninhabitable swamp!
@@rayhume1971 There are also American crocodiles in far south Florida. However, they seem to be much more vulnerable to the occasional colds snaps, and so they remain confined to the far southern part of Florida. Alligators can tolerate the cold snaps, and so they range all around the Gulf Coast and up the coastal and near-coastal (like the Okefenokee Swamp) areas along the Atlantic, reportedly up to North Carolina and maybe occasionally to Virginia and Maryland.
As a Floridian who spends a lot of time in the Appalachiacola River area (which functioned as the border between east and west florida) I have been consistently fascinating by the history of small petty polities of florida, and especially the pseudo-states established in the area like the State of Muscogee. The history of west florida is so peculiar.
Something of note, if you ever travel between Alabama, Georgia, and Florida frequently you'll notice that Florida has the roads that are in the best shape out of the 3. I assume it's where our tourism profits go towards. 😅
Pensacolian here, West Florida will rise again 🔥🔥🔥 In all seriousness, I would say we’re very much governmentally and politically integrated with the rest of Florida, and it’s hard for me to imagine West Floridians wanting to join Alabama. Culturally, West Florida remains as part of the “old south” outside of urban areas whilst East Florida (especially peninsular) has largely lost that culture due to migration from the northern US and Latin America. West Florida is now being subject to heavy migration from the northern and western US, so I honestly foresee us also gradually losing that southern culture, therefore closing any remaining cultural gap between us and east Florida. So in my opinion Florida will remain unified for a very long time. With such a drastic shift in the population center though, Tallahassee now seems like a strange place to have the capital.
That culture is still there. It's just been relegated to the gulf coast from Homosassa to at least Apalachicola if not all the way to Pensacola. There's also areas of it around Kingsley Lake and Ocala. Any further south and it starts becoming more Metropolitan before transitioning to a Caribbean/Latin American culture around Jupiter Inlet on the Atlantic.
@@1TakoyakiStore For sure, if you go to any rural area north of Ocala you encounter true southerners. But I'm saying it's slowly fading away starting from the coasts and populated areas. I'm talking over the course of maybe the next 100-200 years.
I live in that Panhandle and there is no urban areas. It’s all Alabama-like culturally. Florida is Spanish, Ponce de Leon arrived from Puerto Rico where he lived and was Governor. So Spanish-Florida is actually the normal Florida. (Post-colonial).
Florida is pretty much split in two currently but not East/West. Ideologically Florida is part of the south in the parts north of Orlando. South of Orlando, the state is more in line with the Northern parts of the US given the Midwest/northeast transplants and Hispanic communities of Miami. There are some outliers to this generalization like the rural parts of the Southwest Florida Everglades (less diverse) and Tallahassee (more diversity due to the colleges and capital) but for the most part North and South Florida differ drastically.
I remember reading that the residents of Mobile Alabama were against Alabama acquiring the Florida panhandle as there would be economic competition against Pensacola. I think that's a loss for my home state of Alabama.
@@General.Knowledge A lot of pronunciations in the States, especially the southern States, can be weird. There is a small city in the northern part of Alabama named Arab, but it is pronounced AY-rab.
As I resident of central Florida, south of Ocala (in the former East Florida), I'm convinced that this part of the country is used as a dumping ground for obsolete Yankees and other northern castoffs. Old farts in golf carts...
That old map used at the start is pretty bad when it comes to New Orleans - New Orleans was specifically kept in Louisiana (marked as the "Isle of New Orleans" on the map) when the remaining part of east of the Mississippi was given to Florida. The border ran through Bayou Manchac to Lake Pontchartrain. The map at 2:58 is much better.
To this day, we still learn about the West Florida Parishes (counties) in Louisiana. They had a super cool blue flag with a white star that Texas stole lol
Little known fact unless you visit there: Castillo de San Marcos, still standing in St. Augustine, FL--you can visit--was used as a British stronghold and prison during the Revolution. Three founding fathers--Heyward, Middleton and Rutledge--were actually held prisoner there for a while. The Spanish also actually declared war on GB in 1779, preceding the attack on West Florida.
As someone whose lived in west florida and florida i can confirm theyre vastly different places and cultures and west florida operates its counties and lively hoods under a phrase known as florabama
FUN FACT: When you compare that far western border of Western FLorida and then follow the peninsula down to the Keys, you see that Tallahassee happens to be almost exactly midway. A major reason for its founding in that location.. it was midway back then, not so much now.,
The American Revolution technically started in 1765 with the protests against the Stamp Act. The American Revolutionary War was the one that started in 1775.
@@Koala1203 If you want to refer to it as the Revolutionary Period, fine. No one thinks of it that way except historians who are trying to incorporate the preceding time of disagreement into it so people understand it didn't just spontaneously exist. No one thinks of it this way, and it's not even relevant to this discussion since there's not a single thing mentioned between 1765-75.
To be fair, west Florida includes New Orleans and (before watching the video), my guess is because the inland states wanted a share of the coastline along the gulf.
You did a good job with this. Living in the Florida Parishes in Louisiana. I knew most of this from LA history as a teenager. The marker you show @8:21 has a map from before my parish was created from sections of the parishes shown. I did get a real kick out of how you mispronounced the Apalachicola river, though.
I grew up in St. Tammany parish or as you're video explains, West Florida. Sometimes these parishes are still called the Florida parishes. I also lived in the area of Louisiana above Lake Pontchartrain that broke from Spain and became the Republic of West Florida.
12:47 Mark! 514 Views + Mine! 🎉 Thumb #75! 👍 You're welcome, and thanks! 😊 Notes: Another fun educational video! 😎 Hmm. Just think about flag makers trying to keep up with all of the changes! 😮 Right now we seem to be content with 50 Stars. To add more, we should first add the territories and possessions we have now before adding more by breaking up current states! As it is, should Puerto Rico finally become one, the United States Virgin Islands become a part of the State of Puerto Rico rather than become their own state. The District of Columbia, apparently some don't want it to be renamed "New Columbia" as originally planned, because of the link to Christopher Columbus. They want to rename it to honor someone else. 🤔
Your pronunciation of some of the names brings a slight smile to my face. As for splitting Florida, adding 'West Florida' to Alabama or becoming its own state is left to residents to initiate the process. The twobstate capitals have to agree, and then the federal level has to agree. At this point, it would give more seats in both of our houses of Congress.
Andrew Jackson wasn't a founding father, but it was his work as military governor of Florida that led him to the White House in 1829. Jackson was the first US president who wasn't related to a founding father. Other than that, great video!
@@sebastiendeschamps3135 It’s been Alabama cultured for decades. It’s an entire different world up in The Panhandle. The culture and customs are Alabama/Georgia. Zero Florida vibes.
@@sebastiendeschamps3135 True. I meant it as,if you live there, your address says Florida, but when you walk outside your door, you are definitely in Alabama.
Dude, the French and Indian War only ended in 1763. The American Revolutionary period can be seen as starting in 1765 but the war--which is the first and only thing you reference (and is your first graphic)--started in 1775. No one, excepting historians trying to categorize and incorporate the civil strife and protest preceding the war into the period for purposes of understanding, refers to it this way. Yes, the beginning of the dispute with the colonies began in 1764 with the imposition of the Stamp Act, reaching a furor in 1765 before its repeal in 1766, but The Revolution didn't actually begin then (unless bitching, moaning and protest="revolution")--it's something we look back at and say "Well, we eventually declared independence, so..." Hell, John Adams DEFENDED the British soldiers who were arrested after the Boston Massacre in 1770. How did more commenters not at least bring this up?
West Florida's economy is subsidized by military bases funded by the federal government as well as state taxes generated by other parts of Florida. The free ride must end! I won't even mention the election irregularities that hamper progress in the rest of Florida. I really wish Mississippi and Alabama had the money to buy this part of Florida!
If Florida divides into two states, Ron DeSantis could be Governor for 8(!) more years!!! New York Times reporters would all commit suicide in despair!! Love the old maps shown! Hillsboro River is the Indian River lagoon, not flowing into Tampa Bay, and Lake Okeechobee is Macayo Lake!
Lived in Pensacola for some time. It’s basically Alabama. I think if Alabama annexed the panhandle Florida wouldn’t bat an eye. The beaches there have so much potential but Florida’s government neglects it in favor of South beach, Coco beach and Tampa Bay. Alabama would do so much better with it and it would greatly boost their economy. I’m not from either state so I don’t have a horse in the race. Just my opinion
I would love it if Florida reclaimed West Florida all the way to New Orleans, or even expand all the way to the Mexican border and annex Houston, Corpus Christi, and Brownsville.
@@LawpickingLocksmith Florida is not Southern, it's not Cuba 2.0, and it's not the sixth borough or whatever it is new yorkers insist on. It's Florida. We're big enough to be our own thing.
South FL should be its own state. Way too culturally different. West Florida should be part of Alabama and the rest of Florida should be its own state.
Their last video was on island nations that might be disappearing soon. Before that was a video about Japanese prefecture names. And before that was about West Africa. Plus, this video has as much to do with Spain and Britain as it does the US
