The Creation Myth of the Proto Indo-Europeans 

Understanding reconstructed myths could help with the interpretation of finds.

@@Diogenes_43 precisely, understanding mythological themes and ideas often informs how we might suggest our findings be interpreted

@@DudeNamedDuncan oh I have, they’re both horrid men with stupid ideas who should be shunned. Any archaeologist can tell you they’re frauds, and are actively trying to mislead the general population in malicious anti-archaeological and anti-scientific ways

Thank you so much for your very kind words.

P.S. You mentioned eternal cycles in the universe, which is also mentioned within the Vedas in a similar fashion. In fact, we call the faith/practice as Eternal Duty (or how you interpret it, also as Eternal Religion).

Thanks for making this btw!

We use the Rig Veda to help reconstruct this myth, and so that is why you see connections, and these connections link to Romans, Greeks, Old Norse, Iranians, Persians, and even some biblical texts.

@@Crecganford Outstanding. If there is a video where you can show the similar constructs of time & Creation between both the Bible and Rig Veda, that would be truly amazing. In the Vedas, time is cyclical. Each major time period, according to the Vedas, consists of a Kalpa. A "kalpa" (or one day & night of Brahma, the first living being) is 4.32 billion years. It consists of 14 sub time periods, known as a "Manvantara," led by a "Manu." Preceding the 1st such Manvantara, there is a "Sandhya" (or "twilight" of Brahma) consisting of 1.728 Million years, and so on and so forth preceding the rest of the remaining Manvantaras. The earth ("Bhu-loka") is submerged in water in each of these "Sandhyas" or twilights of 1.728 million years. Each such "Manvantara" means a duration of time of each Manu ("Manu" = man; "Antara" = interval/term), thus indicating there are MULTIPLE "Manus" leading each cosmological subepoch (14 to be exact). That's not all. Each such "Manvantara" lasts for 306,720,000 Earth years (or, 852,000 divine years, with 1 divine year = 360 of our 4 season-completed 'solar' years) not including Brahma's twilight period of 1.728 million years preceding each such Manvantara. Each Manvantara is then further subdivided into 72 more cycles known as "Yuga Cycle". Each Yuga Cycle consists of 4 Yugas; namely a Satya Yuga (1.728 million years), Dwapara Yuga (1.296 million years), Dwapara Yuga (864,000 years), and Kali Yuga (432,000 years), with each such Yuga Cycle consisting of 4,320,000 years. Completion of 4 such Yugas is a "Maha" (great) Yuga (or Yuga Cycle). It takes 72 such Maha Yugas (cycles), to complete one Manvantara. There are 14 Manvantaras, as mentioned, The current universe, per Wikipedia, is currently being ruled by the 7th such Manu, meaning we are in the 7th Manvantara, 28th Yuga Cycle, in the 4th Yuga (Kali), of which we have only gone through about 5000 of the total 432,000 years of this Kali Yuga. After all the Manvantara's are completed, Creation will be destroyed ("Pralay'), with such destruction equaling 1,728,000 years. And that completes ONE day (and one night) of Brahma (the "kalpa"). One "Month" in Brahmic time (i.e, Brahma's time) means 30 such "days & nights," ie, 30 such Kalpas., or 259.2 billion years 30 x [2 x (306.72 M x 14 + 1.728 x 15) ]. Twelve "months" of Brhama is one "year" in HIS life, and he lives only 100 such cosmic years, constituting a "maha-kalpa" (311.04 trillion of our years). Fifty of Brahma's cosmic "years" have elapsed, and we are now in the "Shveta-Varaha Kalpa" or the 1st cosmic "day" of his 51st cosmic "year." Each Kalpa (cosmic day of Brahma) has a name, according to the Matsya Purana. Each Manu of each Manvantara has a different name. This Manu's name of our time, in Sanskrit, is known as "Vaivasvata," who was the king of ancient Tamil Nadu (southern kingdom of India), before a great flood. This same Manu, was warned of such a great flood, by a fish incarnation of God ("Vishnu"), and thus built a big BOAT which carried the Vedas, his family, and the seven sages "Sapta Rishis" to safety. Sound familiar? Thus we have the concept of CONSTANT dissolutin/destruction followed by creation. All matter is subject to CONSTANT decay and destruction, a similar theme throughout ancient Hindu metaphysics. The Genesis also says God created the Universe (or this Universe anyways), in 6 such "days." It is not clear on what such "day" references, a cosmic day or a human day. The first man, or Manu, is "Adam" and the first woman is "Eve." Beyond that I do not know much of the concepts of time, creation, destruction. Would love to see you publish something which speaks to the Vedas but in line with Christian and Hebrew metaphysics.

Thank you, and I hope my future videos help as well.

@@Crecganford for the love of christ will you please stop with the asmr it almost impossible to watch the video

@@colorpg152 This is just my voice, no effects, just me reading out loud.

@@Crecganford i LOVE your voice

Sounds a lot like Voluspa (the old Norse mythos) too

I do have the Crecganford Reads channel, which I will slowly add that sort of content too.

​@@Crecganford 😮 You should mention that once in a while! I had no idea, and it never comes up in my feed! Subbing now! 💗

​@@Crecganfordbe sure to add this one, too! 💚

Yes, and a Christianized version of the Earth Diver myth at that, which gives us a clue of why it was replaced.

​@@Crecganford wait so you mean that the earth-diver myth appeared amongst the Slavs only after christianisation?

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Sounds like the Christianised version offers clues to its replacement not its appearance.

The Slavs very much had vedic/Iranian like Indo-European myths before. Even to this day some terms correspond between the two. Like Agni (vedic fire god) and ogni (fire in slavic languages). @@theotheagendashill818

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That is because the Old Norse myth had significant influence from Indo-European cultures.

@@Crecganford I know Norse fate have a Indo-European orgin, I was so surprise that it was still so close to the "original" fate thousands of years later.

Wow, thank you!

Coffee! Heresy!

@@shanedussault740 😅 hehehe

It shoulda been tea

Yes, that was quite a clever scene, and from that a book called Grammar of the Indo-Europeans - Prometheus Edition was made. And a solid piece of work it is.

Thank you.

Thank you.

I agree.. And I'll say: while I like the long presentations, I also appreciate these shorter videos!

Thank you so much for sharing how much my videos have inspired you, there is a lot more to tell and so I hope you keep watching.

It was meant to be Ng Whi, but I didn’t pick up the mistake in the captions.

It must probably be cognate with " Ignis = fire " in Latin-> proto -indo-european *h₁n̥gʷnís (“fire”).

Thank you for watching and your feedback, I will always try and improve.

Yes, I have made a video about this, our oldest creation myth.

You are free to believe that your ancestors left Africa based on a mere hypothesis Not a fact , whereas most Eurasians do not believe their ancestors came from Africa .

@@Crecganford i'll check it out. Thank you!!!

@@majidbineshgar7156 Cringe...

​@@majidbineshgar7156Don't make me laugh.

Would be best taught and told from the Basque themselves.

Yay, stories older than indoeuropeans! This will be very interesting.

He does a good amount of non indo European myths. But that's his academic focus if I remember correctly. So he does mostly indo European stuff

Thank you for watching, and the kind feedback. I do try and improve where I can, but there is still a way to go.

I have made a video about this, the sources and differences, just check out my channel and look for the Indo-European Creation Myth.

I think the Marduk connection is less likely, but the others, absolutely.

@@Crecganford well, it seems so similar to the splitting of Yemo to create the cosmos as we know it. Marduk splits Tiamat in two pieces which become the waters above and the waters below. I thought the same thing.

Yes, but we also have to be a little cautious on the reliability of this, but also the myth changed the three parts of Yemo’s body to three regions of land. And so there would be an evolution dependant on society and the environment. What is really interesting is how Manu disappears from the Old Norse myth, a myth that probably influenced the Germanic myths initially. Where did Manu go, the reasonably young god Odin.

@@Crecganford One more thing in the Indic myth... Manu was a king... where the god of cosmic order Vishnu... took the form of a fish and informed Manu about the upcoming flood that would destroy humanity... and asked him to get onto an Ark, and carry all the necessary things, 7 sages, food supplies and animals with him. Tell me why would Manu be added into a story which is completely similar to the Semetic-biblical stories? A character that was supposed to be the primordial God. Doesn't really make sense... and also Manuus is the word used to describe a person in India and or Old Persia... which is (Manushya) although Yemo/Yama was sacrificed... both of these guys would later become to be the Sons of the SUN God in the Indic Faith... I'm kinda missing out on something things here btw...

And thank you for watching.

Thank you.

The gods appeared with time. I talk about this in some of my other videos.

It is what I research in my own time, and it is a hugely complex task, but I have some great people in the field helping me, and when we're ready we will publish the results.

If you don't sacrifice something how do you show you really believe in it?

I combined many creation myths from the Indo-European cultures, and picked the oldest versions along with the common stories, and then leveraged other’s work to ensure academic concensus.

I find parts of Rigveda 10.129 to be curiously similar to 道德經 (Tao Te Ching), at least Yuhui Liang's English translation.

@@ximono True bro true. I always find taoism and hinduism very similar. And I also read Tao te Ching. When you look at the Brahman in upanishads and look at Tao you don't see any differences. People always say Chinese philosophy is either Confucius or buddhism but the reality is taoism is older than both of them. Not only that but when you look at greek philosophy they are very similar to brahmanism as well.

@@Crecganford That's great

@@ArnavSharma-bj4ct Absolutely. Heraclitus especially of the greeks.

Yes, I have made some videos about dragon slaying, however the Apollo myth has less Indo-European influence than some of the others, as the hero isn’t Trito and no bovines are rescued.

@@Crecganford I see, thank you for the reply! I visited Delphi last May, it was one of the most magical places I’ve ever been and I couldn’t help think of the hero slaying a reptile serpent

If you take Genesis 1:1-2 apart, you realize the god it refers to is Marduk, and so not a god out of time and space. But I can understand why believers in the Abrahamic faiths would think that based on translations of those lines.

That is because the Bible is influence significantly from the Near East, where as the Old Norse myth is significantly influenced by the Indo-European cultures. Still, both also have influence from the other cultures too.

This is an ancient myth, and it is what it is. Surely, it does not require falsification in a 21st century reimagining?

warfare was more common then

Tian (天) is one of the oldest Chinese terms for heaven , since the proto-turkic peoples lived side by side Chinese civilisation then they must have borrowed that cosmology Ten-ri( cognate with chinese Tian (天) ) from the Chinese.

@@majidbineshgar7156 thanks for that info...i always defend this...once most thing,especially what considers spirituality and humanity was more globla,universal and unbiased... people shared more,especially of similiar cultures,and when they encountered a different one,they taught each other...nothing like manipulaton,greed,ego and stuff...there was only one god...the sky god... greeks took it and named it skyfather...it was most probably scythian,prototurk origin,stemming from siberia...greetings to china🌎

​@@majidbineshgar7156iirc they're not cognates and the ancient Chinese word for Tian was quite different than its present-day form

@@nukhetyavuz Thank you yes Indeed all humanity share some common elements of mythology and even underlying common linguistic structure , however Scythians were not Turkic , and I know that in Turkey as well as some Turkic speaking countries their official education claim as If Scythian had been Turkic, while one should note that Greeks and Latin historians related Scythians to Persian world and the direct descendants of Scythian Alans i.e. Ossetians have survived who speak an Iranic language .

This story bears SOME similarities with the Nordic creation myth - written down in Icelandic some 800 years ago.

I have made a video, I fact many videos about this. Have a look at my channel and you'll find videos on the IE Creation Myth. I hope you enjoy them.

Great questions, and I have made many videos covering this. Look for the one titled "Reconstructing the Proto Indo-European Myth of Creation" which should answer many of your questions, and I hope allow you to have many more.

This is at least 6,000 years, and possibly 8kya.

The Caspian Sea may well have been more in the minds of the earliest Indo-European speakers when creating their myths. However, in truth, gods were more like spirits, the "life force" of nature, and so not as we really consider them today.

I hope you are successful, you can never see too much content about myths!

That will be published in my book.

@@Crecganford what meter did you choose?

Why does there need to be a single source?

@@Crecganford ok source(s) just curious where that came from, not familiar with it.

@@Crecganford so there isn’t one? I believe in Hinduism the gods come from Yemo’s parts. So not aware of the gods existing before explained anywhere or the gods coming from Manu and Yemo thoughts explained anywhere. If there is I’d like to know.

It is said that Yahweh was at one point in his evolution a Storm God.

@@Crecganford Indeed. Caught a show just recently. Yaweh was doing OK till he met Lilith. Don't recall if that's what turned him into a Storm God or not : )

Thank you!