Thank you for this! I was a rare FBA 10 year old who often hung out with Puerto Ricans in 1970. I spoke Spanish. Was in a Puerto Rican gang(The Brooklyn Bachelors. It astounds me that we even have to debate that PuertoRicans , who were were relatively new to America (or Jamaicans who were unseen) had ZERO part in hiphop creation. Zero
ZERO. Let me say that again ZERO! The foundations of Hip hop was the music and dancing. All the Hip Hop Anthems were based on 60's-70's funk and soul music not Salsa or Reggae. James Brown wasn't Puerto Rican, neither was Jimmy Castor Bunch.
Puerto Ricans have been here since way before the 70s. Please educate yourself. They had a lot to do with the creation of Hip Hop. See the Hunter college Black and Puerto Rican studies database and educate yourself.
Jamaicans and Puerto Ricans etc came over here and assimilated into our culture…from music,slang,fashion etc….them parties kool herc was having had no Caribbean sound….they was playing James brown at them parties
NewYorkRicans🇵🇷🗽were in the BX before black people. Black people were in Harlem. The first owners of Bodegas were NewYorkRicans🇵🇷🗽in 1950. Difference between Jamaicans🇯🇲and Boricuas🇵🇷is that Boricuas🇵🇷are not immigrants and been in the states before many immigrants 🗽🇵🇷🗽🇵🇷🗽🇵🇷🗽🇵🇷🗽
@@BoricuaNyc u really trippin black Americans been in ny since 1626 since the Dutch had discovered New York…Harlem was juss where we became the majority of a neighborhood in nyc…we been everywhere my guy….stop the 🧢 and it don’t change the fact y’all assimilate into our culture reggae even was influenced by us….y’all dress ,talk etc like us when y’all come here even if the neighborhood majority Rican etc
@@BoricuaNyc in 1917 is when y’all became citizen of USA before that y’all belong to Spain….we was already here for 100s of years before y’all was even thought of
@@henryjohnson7083 You brag about a country 🇺🇸 that still treats you like second class citizens. If we didn’t protest and turn up for George Floyd we wouldn’t see justice for him.
💯 They want to change the history not only about Hip Hop, which is black people's music.But these Jamaicans and Puerto Ricans don't love the culture more than Whites and Asians.Blacks created but unfortunately white appreciated it more than the originators. I'm white and believe me in Europe Hip Hop is way more appreciated and for example,back in the early 90s at the Def Jam Comedy Jam I can feel how the black audience ridiculed the hip hop etc My point is don't fight with these people,they have an agenda obviously and the only thing you can do is to spread the word - Hip Hop is a black thing! Thank you Hip Hop!
J your tripping we started this ting haithan jack carribean island boyz is what made new york jack the island boy terrorized alot of yankee men biggie ja krs 1 ja cool herc ja heavy d ja ll cool j barbados pete rock ja little viscious ja bobby schmurda ja foxy brown trini cardi b dr nicki minaj trini stretch ja majesty and the late great 2pac loved jamaican food and hung around the island boyz and lets not forget all the ricans mobbing in this rap ting they are island boyz too so its safe to say the island mandem made dis ting call hip hop
How did Kool Herc bring Soundsystems from Jamaica to America when he was a 12 year old child? Kool Herc himself admitted that he couldn't even get into those Dancehall parties in Jamaica and that he wasn't a DJ.
Black Americans created hiphop as I stated several times in the video, but I wasn’t going to completely minimize the role that Herc played too. I have read and heard conflicting info regarding the soundsystems. If I got one detail wrong it doesn’t take away from the overall message of the video.
Lol you don't have to get into dancehall parties to hear the music or know of it. Any Caribbean child knows this and they aren't strict rules about who's getting into those parties anyway. Stop being ridiculous
@@tinacooper4531 it's the Caribbean it's not that strict to get into establishments. Also he traveled back and forth for vacation and to visit family. Just like Biggie's mom would take him every summer to Jamaica to visit fam.
@@hip-hophistorybuff you need to go deeper into the culture going back to church the black spades where they were breaking, popping, doing graffiti and rapping. Black Americans were rapping and breaking since the 1930’s. Puerto Ricans yes did add on and continued the breaking and graffiti.
@@shermricks7340 so was the savage nomads which was a black and Puerto Rican group. When black Benji was killed a Jamaican ( Afrika bam ) called the “ hoe Avenue peace meeting “ and that was the start of hip hop The death of black benji is was the movie the warriors is inspired from Are you even from NYC or The Bronx ? Jamaicans and Ricans never said they was rapping !! Again are you from the Bronx or you watched through a lens ?
HERC DIDN'T BRING ANYTHING FROM JAMAICA. HE CAME TO THE STATES AT 12YRS OLD BRO!!! HE HAD NOOOOOOOOOO EQUIPMENT!!! HE LEARNED BLACK AMERICAN CULTURE AND THEN BECAME A DJ!!!
Rap and Hip-Hop are both Black AmericanDOS creations, however they're two different things with different histories. Ninety-nine percent of the time when people say Hip-Hop what they really mean is Rap, the "Hip-Hop" term needs to be fazed out when discussing music. Technically, Hip-Hop is a youth movement that was birthed in the Bronx and died there. The Hip-Hop term has been misused and thrown around loosely and inappropriately for decades, it's caused confusion and that's one of the reasons Rap doesn't have a proper standard history as a music genre. You don't associate the creation of Blues or Jazz with any type of separate youth or cultural movement so why would you do it with Rap?
It is a Davey D interview on line where Kool Herc tells where his influences came from. In fact herc was asked by a jamaican youth that was in the room, was he influenced by jamaican sound systems? He clearly said, "no, my influences are from the US side" He goes on the mention, grandmaster flowers, the smith brothers, dj plumber.
The “FBA Cult” trying too erase Caribbeans🇯🇲🇧🇧 and Boricuas🇵🇷 but it’s not happening. The Caribbeans🇯🇲🇧🇧 are the main fathers of hip hop culture🗽 RIP🌹Disco King Mario🤴🏽 RIP🌹DJ JUNEBUG🇵🇷🗽 RIP🌹Buffy🤴🏽 RIP🌹Prince Markie Dee🤴
See how simple that was? No getting butt hurt, no tip-toeing around the point, no dishonest and deceptive games, no misrepresenting or twisting what claims FBA are making about Hip Hop. Just straight truth and facts. He gave credit where credit is due, FBA created Hip Hop. He acknowledged that there were Puerto Rican and Jamaican practitioners who soon became legends, he acknowledged movies that would heavily depict Puerto Ricans and clarified that those movies came later well after the culture was created. He just proved how biased and bad-faithed these others who make this so difficult really are.
@@hip-hophistorybuff Has ANYONE checked Fat Joe personally? No because he speaking facts. And if y’all judge all Boricuas🇵🇷by one shade ✊you already lost the argument. Manyyyy Boricuas🇵🇷are dark skin like Roberto Clemente and Alpo Martinez Boricuas🇵🇷come in all shades✊🏾✊✊🏿✊🏻✊🏽✊🏼🇵🇷 🗽🇵🇷🗽🇵🇷🗽🇵🇷🗽🇵🇷🗽
@@hip-hophistorybuff You noticed it’s been a month and NOBODY especially 50 has checked Fat Joe……but Akademics was checked the same day for calling pioneers dusty. Hip hop cultures 5-elements were created by Blacks✊🏿✊🏾and NewYorkRicans🇵🇷🗽 🗽✊🏿🇵🇷✊🏾🗽✊🏿🇵🇷✊🏾🗽
Exactly...n he learned how to dj from black americans...no jamaican culture influenced hip hop... in fact jamaicans got the block party loud speaker culture from us fba
@@uptownbladebrown Kool Herc invented the “Merry Go Round” which he learned from himself. Stop 🛑 trying too discredit Kool Herc because he’s Jamaican🇯🇲🗽
@@BoricuaNyc herc did not create the "merry go round" ....he just gave the technique a silly name...other djs were doing it already and that has been proven
@@uptownbladebrown Kool Herc🇯🇲 invented the “Merry Go Round” and y’all just mad he’s not FBA. The 3-main fathers of hip hop culture are Caribbean’s 🇯🇲🇧🇧 Kool Herc🇯🇲 Afrikan Bambattaa🇯🇲🇧🇧 Grandmaster Flash🇧🇧
IMO, the creator/biggest influencer of hip hop was James Brown. Although it was cultivated in the streets of NYC, in the early 70s James Brown was king in the hood. James Brown had the most sampled music early on and it is no surprise because Brown was known for taking it to the bridge and having the drum beats and the soul/funk. This music contributed heavily to break dancing as the first major BB song was Give It Up Or Turn It Loose by James Brown. Couple that with how Brown danced and we all wanted to dance like him to his music. Moreover, the message that Brown had resonated with us. "Say It Loud" and other anthems that we had and Brown often cleverly rhymed in his songs and we heard this. Not saying Brown was the first to do this, but his music was paramount in the early and mid 70s when hip hop was created. This was an era of black pride and Brown's music embodied that. I was watching a vid recently where they talked about how the Black Spades use to use some of Brown's saying with their own twist. DJs then took that energy and started extending other songs that had breaks like I Can't Stop, Phenomenon Theme, Scorpio, etc. Brown had songs that didn't even need to be extended or cut up because the entire song was funky.
When I always look at James Brown old videos I always thought he looked eeriely similar to my grandfather, same skin tone and hair, I always thought he must have been mixed, I looked it up and he was part Chinese and Native American. I've wondered if he's mentioned this before? I try looking up where they got that info on Wikipedia...
You've become my favorite hip-hop content creator. You've taught me a lot and have put me onto a lot of artists I hadn't heard of. Thank you for your work!
Shout out to all the folks who left constructive and positive comments and feedback. Y’all are some real ones. I don’t claim to be an expert at age 41, but I love hiphop and have learned a thing or two. That being said, I made it a point to credit Black Americans as the creators of hiphop several times in this video. I also said that Jamaicans and Puerto Ricans made contributions over the years. Not once did I say that Jamaicans or Puerto Ricans created it, or that it was 50/50. However, I did give both groups some of their flowers in this video as it’s only right. Still, At the end of the day, I was very clear that hiphop was created by Black Americans. Figured this needed to be said since some folks might not understand nuance, but really they just also want to argue.😂 PEACE!!
That’s because you judging NewYorkRicans🇵🇷🗽as one shade✊meanwhile they come as dark as Roberto Clemente and Alpo Martinez. NewYorkRicans🇵🇷🗽been there since day one and the hip hop museum has footage, photos and videos of everything. 🗽🇵🇷✊🏿🇯🇲🗽🇵🇷✊🏿🇯🇲🗽
@@BoricuaNyc Facts??? No you don’t know the facts! That’s why you can’t give any, better yet there are facts that FBA CREATED EVERY PILLAR. No one needs go to a museum for you to state the FACTS!!!! If you had FACTS not your Emotions you would show and prove🤓🧐.. Nobody is big uppin the ~~>Macarena or Salsa
There is Not 1 hip hop documentary without Puerto Ricans, but i think people are just going to extremes, no one said anything when alofonso schomburg a black puerto rican made a movement for the Harlem Renaissance
Oh!!! We can’t factor in Jamaica nor Puerto Rican influence to the origins of rap because those elements weren’t around during slavery and early 20th century. So as much as those groups want to push for a little piece of our culture they will forever be just participants and guests in a music form that predated the influx of migrants to the American shores💐
Kool Herc will always be the king 🤴🏽 who invented the “Merry Go Round” and united everyone in his parties. He will always be in the hip hop museum in the BX🗽which is the Mecca🗽of where it all started 🗽🇺🇸🇯🇲🇵🇷🗽🇺🇸🇯🇲🇵🇷🗽
@@BoricuaNycOk but he was using our music, not Jamaican music. Like what don’t you get? Just because Jamaican and Puerto Rican individuals participated in hip hop doesn’t make it their now all of a sudden their culture? What can you show ofPuerto Rican culture on the Island of PR and Jamaica that black Americans took and started embracing as our own? Y’all were just copying us.
@@joshuastephenson1334 But participating and copying are 2 different things, right? Were all the black DJ's, MC's, B-boys, and Graffers that came after the black pioneers of each of those elements copying too?
For the most part you broke the facts down based on historical data. Thank you for that cause a lot of people are attempting to spin a narrative that serves their greater agenda. So you are what we consider an ally and send out much love and blessings ❤
He did pretty good. But NewYorkRicans🇵🇷🗽we’re part of hip hop culture since 1967 starting with Felipe Luciano🇵🇷🗽from the last poets. Disco king Mario and Tex DJ Hollywood🇵🇷🗽 who were DJaying in 1971 in Bronxdale. When the 5-Elements were coming together from the late 60’s the NewYorkRicans🇵🇷🗽were right there. For every DJ, MC, B-Boy and Graffiti artist they were always NewYorkRicans🇵🇷🗽as well. The Bronx always had the highest population of Boricuas🇵🇷than and now. Rap music is dominated by blacks but hip hop culture is multiracial 🗽🇺🇸🇵🇷🇯🇲🗽🇺🇸🇯🇲🇵🇷🗽
They all just copied us FBA'S! Now the Jamaicans have made Trap Dancehall 🤣🤣 In a few years they will say they made Trap music first and we got it from them!😂😂
@@GODFATHERGORE I wish I was! Look it up here on YT! Their old Dancehall legends are mad and said it ruining their country 😂😂They should feel embarrassed. They always copied us! We can't even understand their 💩 and we really only like our own music!
The Caribbeans(Jamaicans) brought Dubbing Mixing / Remixing Toasting Looping Soundclash Soundsystem To NYC, London and Toronto nobody was doing this before the Jamaicans came to New York NOBODY DID THIS BEFORE THE JAMAICANS NOBODY Gold grills Rapper/Drug dealer jewelry aka Truck Jewels Tattoos Locs/dreads Benz and BMW Women with long nails Women with colorful hair Women with long fake lashes Men with braids Men with earrings WEED CULTURE Raving Parties THIS COMES FROM JOUVERT CULTURE SHOW ME YOUR ANCESTORS DOING THIS !!! AND I WILL CASHAPP YOU 2,000
I don't want to discredit kool herc how ever he was playing for the crowd of youth who were FBA . The style and swag . We're so accessible to other black folks as long as they assimilated into our community. My folks were not jacking that SWA style of music.
I can dig it. And I wasn’t trying to elevate Herc’s contributions more than needed, but there is some grey area surrounding the sound systems…So I did give him the benefit of the doubt..however, I don’t view him as the creator, and I do know that he was playing to the crowd of Black Americans and he downplayed his Jamaican roots in the beginning, no doubt.
@@hip-hophistorybuff Kool herc was playing to a crowd of Black, Caribbeans, Black-NewYorkRicans🇵🇷✊🏾🗽and Light skin NewYorkRicans✊ Kool herc invented the “Merry Go Round “ which NOBODY ever did. 🗽🇯🇲✊🏿🇵🇷🗽🇯🇲✊🏿🇵🇷🗽
@@hip-hophistorybuff Trust me Kool Herc🇯🇲 is one of the MAIN FATHERS in hip hop culture for inventing the “Merry Go Round” and helping build up the B-Boys and B-Girls
@@hip-hophistorybuff You really believe Kool Herc was playing too a crowd of Black-Americans only in a predominantly Boricua🇵🇷borough. Please research 🧐 the population of Boricuas🇵🇷 and see for yourself Kool Herc comes from a father that was a musician and he got his skills from his roots. Kool Herc is one of the fathers of hip hop culture. I love your style and information but trust me Kool Herc is a BIG DEAL in hip hop culture Disco King Mario🤴🏽 and Tex DJ Hollywood🇵🇷 were DJaying at the park jams but they never did what Kool Herc did(Merry Go Round). I’m Boricua🇵🇷 born and raised in NYC🗽and still living in NYC🗽 and the Afro-Boricuas🇵🇷 that look like Roberto Clemente were there since day one. The Boricuas🇵🇷that look like Fat Joe came in around 1975 starting with Disco Wiz🇵🇷🇨🇺 and Charlie Chase🇵🇷. I’m sure when Fat Joe said 50/50 he’s talking about the 5-Elements not just rapping🎤and that’s where the confusion is coming with outsiders. Have a great day ☮️
Nice video bro, I agree with your takes here. Personally Iam out of this conversation since a long time already, cause I know whats up (don't mean it in an arrogant way, but after more than 25 years as a fan I learned a lot about the history). Anyway, I feel like we live in a time were many people feel like everything has to be challenged or rewritten. So yeah, it's always good to teach and clear things up a bit. Discussions can be interesting, but really get toxic too fast these days. That's why I don't even use social media no more. Except RU-vid, anyway..Iam too old to fight about everything someone has to say.
Exactly. My goal was to give credit where it’s due and to also acknowledge the other groups that contributed alot. Sure some may feel a certain type of way but the truth must be told.
@@hip-hophistorybuff The truth is at the HipHop museum and you are very close but the creators of the 5-Elements are 3-🇺🇸🗽🇵🇷🗽🇯🇲🗽 You will remember me when you visit the new museum coming up. Have a great day☮️
@@BoricuaNyc It's always going to be this way... They will always ignore the soul creators (Pioneers) being all of Caribbean bloodlines. They will always give credit to one group without acknowledging the true facts behind any groups, like; where did the instruments come from or how did that group get their instruments? Let us all ignore Hip Hop is a BRONX CUTLURE and let's give more credit to the ones with different color skin tones why don't we? 🤣 Just cause their ancestors had southern music... 🤣You and I both are from NY and we know wassup, we both know Hip Hop would have been made with no records, no genres, nor instruments to begin with... We would have just been bangin on tables or have stayed with the congas, and therefore we both know how pathetic THEY sound, they will never understand cause their not from our culture and never lived close to it. They all just copy us ma.
Exactly, our music culture is extensive, & it’s not just about music. It’s about style, clothing, language, dancing, singing, etc. it was music made through the pain, struggle & progress of “black” people. No other group helped so-called black people with much, because when everyone comes to America their told to stay away from American “blacks”. We are inclusive so we ain’t tripping? However you didn’t create anything.
They aren't told that. They already felt that strongly about us FBA'S in their own Countries. Now everyone is Black American and they created our culture while us Yankees didn't even participate 🤦🏿♂️
@sunless0215 Renaming Latin Jazz- Salsa is not Creating a new genre of music. AFRO-CUBANOS AND FOUNDATIONAL BLACK AMERICAN'S created Latin Jazz. See when people start staking ownership claims, make sure you know the origins. Machito, Mario and DIZZY. Those are the Creators, facts are facts🤷🏿♂️
@@hip-hophistorybuff It shows that you are a real teacher and educator, articulate and well versed in the history and culture, conveying points with compelling conviction. Knowledge reigns supreme! Been following for years, keep up the great work!
@@justinhughes619 A true teacher and educator is able to provide the names of the Bl American Hip Hop creators. I haven't read nor heard ONE name of a Bl American that created Hip Hop. Truth is; Hip Hop might have a percentage of B Am "soul" in it but the creators were the Afro-Caribbean Ams of the South Bronx. They also have plenty of soul.
You really gotta take in consideration the culture of hip-hop. Naming off Jamaican rappers doesn’t mean anything because they were all participating in Black American culture. This is why most people never knew these people were Jamaican because they didn’t sound like Jamaican, they didn’t dress like Jamaicans, they used black American vernacular, they rapped in black American vernacular English, they weren’t rapping in patwa, they weren’t using reggae tracks. Everything they did was from black American culture. They all assimilated and acculturated into FBA culture. Nothing in hip-hop sounds anything like Jamaican music or Puerto Rican music.
100% FBA Dance music started Late 70's around 1979 and blew up in the 80"s Just search wiki or youtube. Hip Hop started in the early 70's. If you search 1970-72 Jamaican music you only gonna find Roots Reggae or Rockers Reggae. Its traditional and they are singing its nothing like dance hall. I know because I lived in the Bronx and when i went to my Jamaican friends houses that"s the music they played sounded nothing like Hip Hop back then.
Keep it 💯 Hip Hop is Blackier the Berry Deeper the Root...DNA Culture Heritage and Identity. Stop the Foolery We Welcomed these artists to the Sause and Everyone want this Flava. We created the Recipe.
Let me guess the Jamaican and Puerto Rican taught us how to dance and dress as well example they taught cool j , big daddy Kane mc hammer how to dance etc etc let me guess they influence inspire us to alot of things but yet Noone cares what they bring to the table
Kool Herc🇯🇲invented the “Merry Go Round”. Tito Puente🇵🇷 made beats🥁for the Sugarhill Gang and Jimmy Delgado🇵🇷 made beats🥁for Kurtis Blow hottest hit “These Are The Breaks” .
FBAs created all aspects of hip-hop culture including, rapping, DJing (hip-hop style), dancing/breaking, graffiti, clothes styles, & the conscience of rap music. Everyone else showed up 10 years later. I remember news programs in Philly in the 70s showing people break-dancing in the streets on cardboard & news reporters saying how dangerous it was & it needed to be stopped. I remember there being a lull in break-dancing for about 5 years because it was considered old & played out by FBAs. Then around 85-90 Puerto Ricans in NY picked it up. I remember FBAs in Philly saying that shit is old, they need to stop, but the news programs weren't calling it dangerous anymore. I'm almost positive that FBAs in Philly created break-dancing in the mid-late 70s because i was there participating. Also, why would Puerto Ricans & Jamaicans even think of doing rap music & break-dancing when neither Jamaica nor Puerto Rico have a history of rhyming to a beat or doing any type of athletic dance moves? Only FBAs & Africans have a history of doing athletic dance moves. Where are their early songs that led to them deciding to rap? There's hundreds of FBA songs that sound like rap music & songs that used the word "rap" in the lyrics. "Rap" in the 70s was used like the word "holla" is used today. I think before rap was called rap, people tried to call it "hollering", but of course that didn't stick. . For example, Let me "rap" to you for a second vs Let me holla at you for a sec. The Temptations song "Ball of Confusion" (1971) could actually be considered the 1st contemporary rap song, because they weren't singing in that song, they were rapping & harmonizing. They even have a line in the song saying "rap on brother, rap on". Do Jamaicans & Puerto Ricans have any songs or history of anything similar to that in their music cultures?
Blk Americans created hip hop , rap, jazz, country, pop, gospel, rock, r&b etc.... blues= in which is wear reggae come from 😅 but we don't try to claim it as our own. Hip hop was already in America even tho hip hop first showed itself in the 40s in America, James Brown should get most of the credit he was the one who really pushed that type of sound and made it a sign of blk empowerment. Funk music is the base of what hip-hop derived from . The beats, the rhyming over a up tempo Kool beat, the style the jewelry, the flashiness, the dancing, speaking and rhyming about social issues. James Brown literally the g.o.a.t of 3 different genres almost, soul music, funk music, hip hop= James Brown was a mc before anyone made that term popular, he was the 1 rockin the crowd, selling out shows, being played at block party's and cookouts!! All Kool herc did was come to america assimilated himself to the culture that was already here and rode the bandwagon of something that was already the wave/the movement. They'res nothing based in Jamaican culture that show itself in the start of hip hop. But blk American based music like funk music, blues and soul shows itself in hip hop from the start!! And Kool herc got his name and identity in America, while playing basketball an American sport,while playing with blk Americans!! Literally America made Kool herc, he was literally playing American music, James Brown music. Not Jamaican music
I appreciate your take as a FBA but if you do research a little further you'll see that Jamaicans were influenced by rhythm and blues and jazz that's facts so we brought them that culture fbas are with all due respects where influencers not followers facts
Burh, the roots of hip hop came outta slave shout songs were slave were singing dancing on the plantation fields to escape the physically torture mementely from the slave holders.
@@terrencegantt8309 No it's isn't nonsense burh, the slave were sending singles to other slave to escape, the genre was lead to negro spiritual call and response work song instructors song gospel scatt bebop ragtime jazz rock n roll r&b and hip hop
Both Herc and Bambaataa know the deal. Do they talk about ROSEDALE PARK (the real birth park place of Hip Hop with DJ Kool Mario)? The park (mostly black Americans) that they visited and hung out in that park? Do they both honestly talk about how they were listening to black DJs and biting and then putting their own spin. WAIT: Do they talk about this North Carolina dude, DISCO KING MARIO. How generous, like many of us, he was and open welcoming, when the other groups became curious. Here are some facts 1. Kool Herc had to integrate into our culture. He admits that black Americans gave him his swag. He said he was country hick. He knows Rosedale and he knows that he assimilated American black culture and style and its MUSIC and learning about scratching and DJing. He says in his OWN WORDS Buster that HE became AMERICANIZED "Nicely get more AMERICANIZE and HIP" THOSE ARE HIS WORDS. I rest MY CASE but learn more and more about DJ Kool Mario. The truth is going to come out VERY SOON. 2. Afrika Bambaataa started out as an assistant to Mario! 3. DJ Mario, black American, loaned Bambaataa the technical equipment for his first appearances as DJ 4. Bambaataa first DJ-Battle took place in 1976 in the New York Junior High School
Everyone that talks about Disco King Mario and not his right hand man DJ Tex🇵🇷don’t know NOTHING about what went down in the boogie down bronx. Black spades ♠️ had NewYorkRicans🇵🇷🗽in their gang as well.
@@BoricuaNyc You sure do have a lot of feelings invested into another ethnic group's culture. It's the weirdest shit ever and this could only happen to black Americans.
@@americasmaker I’m speaking facts. Disco king Mario was DJaying at the same time with DJ Tex🇵🇷 and they both were part of the black spades ♠️ NewYorkRicans🇵🇷🗽🇺🇸been there since 1969. Only real ones know the facts. Spike Lee is speaking about Black and NewYorkRicans🇵🇷🗽🇺🇸creating the 5-Elements together. Spike Lee is 65-years-old and his older brother was a breakdancer as well. 🗽🇺🇸🇵🇷🇯🇲🗽🇺🇸🇵🇷🇯🇲🗽
@@hip-hophistorybuff When you learn about Disco King Mario🤴🏽you will learn that Tex Dee DJ Hollywood🇵🇷 was DJaying at the same time with Disco King 🤴🏽 Mario and they both were part of the CHUCK CHUCK CITY CREW. Tex Dee DJ Hollywood🇵🇷 was also the President of the baby spades ♠️ which had blacks and Boricuas🇵🇷in the Black spades ♠️ since day one. Your gonna notice how some people don’t mention Tex🇵🇷 when mentioning Disco King Mario🤴🏽 and you will figure it out because your a smart young man ☮️
Do people really think we didn't have speakers in the hood and didn't know how to throw a party until Kool Herc came from Jamaica? 🤣🤣🤣🤣 Bruh...the claims they make are so ridiculous.
Bro you have my full respect!!! You are a honorable man. It’s nothing wrong with liking another culture but give respect where it’s due. My hat is off to you sir!!!
I’m glad the hip-hop museum🗽has everything that was created for the 5-Elements of hip-hop culture. Enjoy 😉 the receipts🧾, photos and videos of everything since day one. ✊🏿🗽🇵🇷🗽🇯🇲🗽
First Hip Hop DJ was Grandmaster Flowers a Black American from Brooklyn who produced the first Hip Hop DJ Play in 1968. The first Hip Hop MC was Coke La Rock a Black American Man from the bronx who became the first Rapper/MC in the History of Hip Hop. The first Break dancer was Lauree Myers/Trixie a Black American Man from New York who became the first break dancer in the history of Hip Hop, he was inspired by tap dancing and created break dances form Tap dancing moves. The first break dancing crew was the Zulu Kings a black American Break dancing crew. And the first Hip Hop Grafitty artist was Cornbread from Philly a black American man. And the influences from hip hop comes from Afro American jazz soul funk blues. And break dance has its roots in Afro American Tap dancing and up rock. All subgenres of Hip Hop like East coast rap Westcoast rap G funk Gangsta rap Southern Rap Miamia bass crunk trap and Chicago drill.
Nah the first bboys were baby spades , and the origins of bboying come from the spade dance , baby spades were between 8-11 years old , check the video I dropped u 👊🏽
@@grandmixerdeelob I know the RU-vid channel Michael Wayne brother If u look on his RU-vid channel The first generations of break dancers on the interview of Michael Wayne said even laure Myers aka Trixie was the first bboy in the history of hip hop
I know hip hop since 1977 and my brothers since Black Benji death on December 3, 1971. Hip hop culture was created by-✊🏿🗽🇵🇷🗽🇯🇲🗽 and the hip hop museum will have the receipts🧾, footage, photos and videos of everything including the Boricua🇵🇷flag. RIP🌹To Prince Markie Dee🇵🇷🗽💎
Bro I'm FBA 🇺🇸 and I appreciate your honest that's a BIG part of Hip-hop and that's KEEPING IT REAL 💯. I'm Kool with you using the backdrop of hip-hop to express yourself as long as you don't switch up and give back if you can fund a FBA youth baseball team or something
Blacks played the ESSENTIAL role; others added on helped it grow, by introducing it to members of THEIR group. That's the point. Our culture was never racist--all could participate, as long as they respected the culture, its people & its ORIGIN..
What I don't understand is why would anyone ignore the fact that the Pioneers are from the Caribbean and Hip Hop is not a southern genre to go and say it's created by Black Americans. Credit is given to the Caribbean first, then comes the fact that that southern Black American genres were added to it is last. It's roots are based on Caribbean Pioneers.. Such as; Kool Herc, Afrika Bambattaa, Grand Master Flash, Red Alert, Doug E Fresh, Slick Rick, Uncle Luke, Monie Love, Tribe Called Quest, Puerto Ricans; Crazy Legs. John Mr. Magic Rivas, Shabba Doo, Charlie Chase (the man that openly admitted to adding Salsa into Hip Hop to make us dance to it,) Prince Whipper Whip, Disco Wiz, Ruby Dee, Pumkin, and etc. etc... They're all Jamaican and Puerto Rican. Singer and record producer Sylvia Robinson encountered a DJ rapping as he spun his records, witnessing the new performance style while visiting a nightclub in Harlem... She has stated this style was called toasting and it was brought to NYC by Jamaicans immigrants. Believing it was worth a try, she assembled a group the Sugarhill gang and produced Rapper's Delight which was the first "commercial" rap single. PR Chris Barbosa wrote the biggest hit back then for Afrika Bambataa; "Planet Rock."
Beautiful information you definitely know the history. RIP🌹DJ JUNEBUG🇵🇷🗽 RIP🌹Prince Markie Dee🇵🇷🗽 RIP🌹BUFFY✊🏿 The “Fat Boys” was my best days of hip hop. The 80’s hit different🤸♀️💃💎
It's truly sad and tragic what happens to so called "Black" people. Bywords like "Black" are placed on so called "Black" people and before you know it they're robbed Blind. It's sad. So called "Black" people are on Every continent and we're the first there, yet all of there accomplishments are taken from them by the status of nationality. I never knew so called "Blacks" would have to defend Hip Hop, what the fuck has the world come to? So called "Blacks" are the Aborigines of Earth and fucking retards don't even acknowledge that, they'll say their Taino and not even know they were so called "Black people as well as Aztecs". So called "Blacks" were the original Americans and Europeans. The problem is a lack of education and teachings dealing with immigration. The people who come here to the US don't know the difference between genetics and nationality. The first Latino champion in Boxing was Panama Alfonso Brown whose father was a so called "African American" from Tennessee, USA but this feat is stolen from so called "Blacks" bc of the nationality label Panama. Parents of immigrants follow in the footsteps of "Black" AMERICANS but don't teach their kids that bc of them wanting pride, so the kids come here and think they're doing American shit or shit from their culture not even knowing they're following "Black" AMERICANS. I'm afraid so called "Black" Americans are going to have the "Black" stripped off their backs next, everything is taken from them. Wow. See the so called "Black" Americans are told they're from Africa, and therefore they have no land mass or nationality while others are forced to claim nationalities. Everything is taken from the so called "Black man" who are truly the Israelites of the Bible and the Aborigines of Earth but best believe THE MOST HIGH Yahawa/ Yehweh will redeem them. Are you aware that The man we call Jesus was so called "Black" & they gave a White Jesus to take that away from so called "Black" people. Note to you, the So called "Blacks" and Afro Latinos in the Caribbeans, and South America are the same people the White Latinos in their country have assimilated with them and brainwashed them into their nationality like the Word Puerto Rico which makes them think they are different from us when we're of the same family, all of this while those fools walk around with the White Latinos thinking it's their family bc of the nationality names. THE MOST HIGH isn't happy with this and it's Biblical. PSALMS 83.
@@lgilles7 This entire topic is atrocious and disgusting for Black Americans from the southern part of the U.S to go and think that Afro Puerto Ricans and Jamaicans are not the same people as they are. It's amazing to see my Black American bruthas in NYC shaking their heads towards the wicked words that are coming from the mouths of these southern Black Americans trying to discard their very own bloodlines (Jamaicans and Puerto Ricans) regarding the Hip Hop creation. What's even worst is to see a young wyte dude put up a video to encourage this type of behavior. The Ephraim Tribe (Tainos) were one of the 12 Tribes Of Israel. Both Jamaicans and Puerto Ricans are descendants of the Tainos. What's up with all the hate? Why can't we all just say we all created Hip Hop just as the youngins in the South Bronx thought back then? There was no hate nor competition with Hip Hop between us, we all just partied it up together knowing we were all alike!! Jamaicans and Puerto Ricans would never take anything away from Black Americans and their creations. Hip Hop was all of us like the true brothers that were in the first place.
@@BXTITAN The problem is we're not seeing our Afro Latinos indulge in our culture, it's always these White Latinos like Bad Bunny who are coming in. If we're seen our Afro Latinos indulging it would be love, bc we want so desperately to connect with them. The problem is they have been groomed to think about Nationality, they don't understand genetics and the fact that they are relatives to "Black" Americans. They see "Black" Americans as people to hate, compete and take from, this trait was installed in them by those White Latinos who hide behind the nationality refusing to claim their Whiteness. Ricky Martin, Bad Bunny all those people are White who indulge in "Black" culture while hiding behind a country name such as Puerto Rico. Hip Hop and "Black" culture is pioneered by us to be for us and not to include the White culture, even though they always jump in. We are Israelites of the Bible, we are a Holy nation which means separate and different. We welcome our Afro Latino Brother and sisters but y'all need to check the White Latinos and let them know our culture isn't for them. Stop letting those people lie to you they are the colonizers who came in stole your land, culture, and history then they walk around claiming to be as one with you guys based off of coming from the same country.
They added to it but they did not create it. The fact that the pioneers (your word not mine) are from the CArribbean does not mean they created it. If you can cite one them that each created, then maybe you have a point.
Rap really started with... Here Comes The Judge - Pigmeat Markham (1968) Watch the video. He was born in Durham, NC in 1904. He died in Bronx, NY in 1981. SOMEONE BIT HIS STYLE!
@@ridge7524 I know about the Jubilaires. I am sure Pigment Markham knew those brothers also. Brothers were also break dancing in the 40's. But, for the people that are slow, l used Pigment Markham 1968 song because it is the closest to what everyone knows as modern rap. Plus he was living in the Bronx when it started. So someone there learned it from him. That's all I'm saying. WE KNOW FOR A FACT THAT BLACK AMERICANS STARTED IT.
A few years ago while I was teaching the African American Music History 385 course in the Africana Studies Department at San Diego State, I noted to students that the academic "Origins Theory" controversy that surfaced during the 1800s about Black Music (see Intoduction, Mellonee V. Burnim and Portia K. Maultsby in African American Music: An Introduction New York: Routledge) had found its way into discussions about Hip Hop. I had to make corrections and adjustments to my lecture content in 2010 as I researched, encountered new and conflicting digital documentation along with new textual evidence. Bravo young scholars.....keep rockin' the discourse.
Yes! They were DJ’s before Kool Herc but they were Disco🪩DJ’s not hip hop DJ’s like Kool Herc, Flash, Afrika Bambattaa and Grandmaster Thedore. BIG DIFFERENCE🗽
@@hip-hophistorybuff You didn’t speak the truth you judging people by skin color and manyyyy NewYorkRicans are darker than African Americans. NewYorkRicans been there since day one
Afro/Black American/Freedmen (FBA) Created Hip Hop , HOWEVER yes after Hip Hop was created in "The BoogyDown Bronx" other cultural groups did contributed to the growth of Hip Hop. I am definitely going to watch the Documentaries "MICROPHONE CHECK" and "BEYOND HIP HOP"
The first ever hiphop movie becouse of puerto ricans,the very first hiphop convention a puerto rican, the creation of mixed plates Dub/hiphop a puerto rican, the break dancing revolution Puerto ricans grafiti hardstyle a puerto rican...low rider culture mexicans, Grafiti a greek, Even the afro is a white ppl thing yall copied ...now exactly what did your ppl contribute really beyond just lip service
You had to sneak a little lie in there to get the engagement up, Herc came here when he was 12 he learned everything from AMERICAN DJ'S. He didn't bring any DJ skills at the age of 12. He also shedded his Caribbean identity.
You say it with such certainty that’s it’s lie when the information on what he did at age 12 is a little unclear…but you call me a liar and accuse me of trying to get engagement up? That’s some real hater shit.
@@hip-hophistorybuff how am I a hater, your PLATFORM IS IRRELEVANT. Your also an OUTSIDER speaking on MY FAMILIES LINEAGE. I'm not letting ONE LIE SLIDE. That's what you OUTSIDER'S OF OUR CULTURE don't understand. ONE LIE, without being corrected, can grow into a MILLION LIES. Which is obviously what happened.
@@hip-hophistorybuff Bro WE DON'T NEED a pat on the Back from some NON BLACK BLOGGER. You don't even have to cover BLACK AMERICAN CULTURE. It would make us NO DIFFERENCE. Your literally doing us NO FAVOR. We DON'T NEED YOUR Coverage.
@@hip-hophistorybuff what's UNCLEAR? Because I got ALL THE RECEIPTS. Herc didn't bring any culture from Jamaica. He shedded it, the locals from the Bronx put him up on game and introduced him to AMERICAN DJ'S. He wasn't even DJing in Jamaica. NOTHING comes from the Caribbean. We been using two turntables and a Mic. He got that from the Manhattan Disco DJ 's, they called it Beat matching. Toasting came from Jamaicans copying American Disc Jockeys. Plus how did Coke LaRock and Busy Bee ( the first Hip Hop MC'S) hear Jamaicans toasting? They were poor teenagers in the ghetto. They had No access to Jamaica at the time. You don't even need to speak on it. Let a BLACK AMERICAN THAT WAS THERE SPEAK ON IT.
In 1965 Shirley Ellis sang a song called "The Clapping Song", rap song. Fat Joe was a toddler when Hip Hop was created (born 1970). Buster Rhymes wasn't born . His birth 1974.
And there’s a difference between influencing hip-hop, and being influenced by hip-hop there’s a difference between influencing black Americans are being influenced by black Americans…💯💪🏾
Thank you Hip Hop History Buff, for bringing the truth to the light, FBA’S the creator of Hip hop, when the lying ones really knows the truth but is exploiting it to there satisfactions.
Hip-Hop isn't a genre of music...it's a 1970s Bronx subculture that died out in the early 80s. Rapping/Rap was a part of Black American society DECADES before the Hip-Hop movement existed.
Kool Herc came to NY at 12!!! He learned everything from FBA!! He didn’t come over at 12 with a sound system!!’ He is the Goat! But Coke La Rock should be in his place !’
Thank You Sir! AAs just want our credit thats all. Theres No Hate. Heres A Clip of Dj Kool Herc talking about being Americanized as far as the music 04:00 ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-zN_84eVV45Q.html
He literally stated in the video that it wasn’t created by Kool Herc. He participated in it. He was influenced by American culture that was already created. He played a part in being one of the earlier people to be apart of Hip Hop, but he didn’t create it. We don’t want to take credit from anybody. Facts is just facts
How did Kool Herc bring his Soundsystem from Jamaica when he was only 12 years old when he got to America. Kool Herc wasn’t even thinking about being a DJ when he got to American, he was playing with toys. Kool Herc didn’t become a DJ until he was 18 or 19 years old. He was not influenced by Jamaican Soundsystems, He says it himself that he was influenced by the American side of sound systems.
The bottom line is that Afro-Cubans🇨🇺 invented a lot of instruments 🥁 and weren’t stripped from them like Afro-Americans✊🏿. All music 🎶 started with Afro-Cubans🇨🇺
Look Herc Came to America at 13 it was never documented that he brought sound systems and if it is or someone says that it’s a false document or a lie of somebody with an Identity problem and a agenda… because Black American culture is black American culture and Jamaican culture is Jamaican culture He literally said his self that he had to assimilate to black American culture.
If you gotta hide your culture to gain acceptance, then your culture is not relevant to the music. If Fat Joe or Big Pun would have been rapping in Spanish or rapped to Spanish music, and that became part of the culture, THEN they would have a leg to stand on. Coming in and using our style is not adding to culture. If that is the case then Vanilla Ice helped create hip hop culture. God damn, Eminem helped create hip hop culture. That’s just not so. FBADOS is the sole creator of Rap/Hiphop and R&B. All others are guests in our culture. If we rock with you, feel grateful. Many have come and gone UNKNOWN.
@@hip-hophistorybuff You be wishy washy with your knowledge between NewYorkRicans🇵🇷🗽and Boricuas🇵🇷on the island🇵🇷 You shouldn’t speak on NewYorkRicans🇵🇷🗽because you really don’t know them
@@hip-hophistorybuff I’m not your brother and you talking about my Boricuas🇵🇷and NewYorkRicans🇵🇷🗽and you really don’t know the facts. Visit the hip hop museum and educate yourself from footage, photos and videos. You judging by he said she said and I’m sure you think all dark skin people are African Americans when manyyyy are Latinos.
I agree with Fat Joe because Disco King Mario and Tex DJ Hollywood🇵🇷were DJaying at the same time. The Afro-Boricuas🇵🇷 were there since day one. Boricuas🇵🇷we’re part of the black spades ♠️. ✊🏿♠️🇵🇷✊🏿♠️🇵🇷🗽
What would you know? How can you say that if you weren't there? You're not from the Bronx so how can you make this video? Would like for me to enter your neighborhood and tell you how things get rolling there? If you're looking for points from Black Americans, then why are you leaving out the Caribbean folks? What's up with that? The Black Americans of the South Bronx basically had their backs turned to the Hip Hop culture while continuing their own Harlem genres. They made fun of it until a few Jamaicans took it to the studios and a Puerto Rican made sure it was heard on the radios. The Caribbean folks embraced each other and partied hard together to then create this culture. Especially the gangs of the Bronx. If it wasn't for the Pioneers of Hip Hop that spiked up the culture, Black Americans would have never embraced it the way the Jamaicans and Puerto Ricans did. Caribbean folks introduced the African diaspora to Black Americans in NYC. This African diaspora along with the Caribbean sounds, instruments, and European genres was what infused Hip Hop using the one Black American genre called "Funk." How can you call the soul creators Black Americans cause of only one genre? All the Pioneers (those that created Hip Hop) are of Caribbean descendant so how can you say Black Americans are the soul creators? Why are you looking forward to upset so many people with the use of lies just to gain points from Black Americans as though they're going to accept you as their own? Give credit where credit is due but stop lying to yourself, this ain't a guessing game. You either walked the walk if not, this has nothing to do with you so stop talking about it.
I don’t have to be from the Bronx to make this video. Why don’t you make a video on it since you are SO knowledgeable about it all. It was a hot button topic that I wanted to weigh in on…and I’m going to talk about what I Want because it’s my channel…You aren’t going to try to shame or intimidate me into stop talking about it. That’s crazy lol. And if you paid attention I didn’t leave out Caribbean folks.
@@edgarcintron3724 you just made that up. Wasn’t no African American turning down Hip Hop while Caribbeans took it to Radio station. Don’t nobody care if you from the Bronx. The story has been told a billion times. Y’all moved to America, we were already doing it, y’all was kicking it with us in OUR neighborhood, seen what we were doing and wanted to be apart of it. We didn’t go to Jamaica, sit in your neighborhood, listen to Jamaican music and talk and walk or dress like Jamaicans while being in Jamaica. That all happened in AMERICA. Stop being a crybaby. You’re 50. If you created hip hop y’all would have been saying this since the early 90s but all of a sudden you created this genre? Ok. If you created hip Hop why people JUST NOW figuring out Busta and Biggie were of Jamaican decent? Who were they acting as beforehand? Why haven’t Hip Hop blew up in Jamaica since then? It’s been 50 years, you would think someone born in the Caribbean would be world wide using a PURE JAMACIAN HIP HOP style and not a AMERICAN HIP HOP STYLE. You’re mad.
@@jaishad Caribbean folks have been in America since the 1619! Hip Hop was in the 1970s so whatchu saying? We fought in every war! You know what a Pioneer of Hip Hop is? You know what that word means? It means those that created the music element of the Hip Hop culture you be trying hard to copy. You copy your entire steelo from the Caribbean Americans of the Bronx because all the Pioneers were of Caribbean bloodline so whatchu you saying? Me being 50 and from the Bronx means I WAS THERE YOU WASN'T Whatchu sayin??? I remember my Black American neighbors, my Black Americans school teachers, Black American babysitter, Black American folks in my own family talkin crap about Hip Hop and complaining about their youngins copying the Jamaican and Puerto Rican slang, swag, and music so whatchu you sayin? You ain't about that life so whatchu sayin? Whatchu sayin? :D We ALWAYS knew those names you mentioned were of Caribbean bloodline whatchu sayin? It is my world you wanna be a part of, it's not the other way around, never was. Call it what you want, you ain't about this life so you wouldn't know. IT IS "YOU" THAT IS LEARNING THIS NEW INFO AND WE GOTCHU TIGHT.
@@edgarcintron3724 Man you brand new in America cut it😂 if what you saying is 100% accurate then people all across America would be JAMACIAN or PR. I lived in Gary and Chicago and Minneapolis. Y’all weren’t influencing us here. We look up to Michael Jackson, Kanye West, Jayz, Nas & The temptations. You being from the Bronx in 1970 something is the only thing you got on me and you could be making all that shit up. because people are liars. I never met a JAMACIAN and was like “yeah I wanna do hip hop just like them” nobody ever said that. You want me to give you credit and you want me to tell my kids that y’all created Hip Hop but we will never do that. Nice try though. Get off RU-vid and become a documenter, now commenter 😉
@@hip-hophistorybuff Yes YOU DO have to be from the Bronx to even bring up this topic if you're going insinuate that you have an idea of the creation of this culture. This culture is indeed a culture, not just a genre. Unless you interview someone of the culture. I'm 50, born and raised in the South Bronx. I was a B-Boy and I was also well known. This is VERY unlettered and that goes for anyone speaking of ones' upbringing and ones' culture, whether if it's a neighborhood, state, or an entire country because then they sound and look clueless. Why do that to yourself if you have such a good thing going with this channel? It is wrong and the intensions are cruel to go by what was written by other benightedness folks "just because" there aren't enough Bronx residents to kindly write the history of our culture since we feel it doesn't pertain to any of you'all in the first place. Where would my morals be if I'd just sat back and so blatantly made a video on Shintoism in Japan when I'm from New York going by what I have read from Chinese folks? An Ultracrepidarian is precisely what you are. The worst part is looking at you! You have no idea why we were practically "forced" to created our own culture. Part of it has to do with Black Americans having their own in the US while we had ours from the islands but wanted our very own together in the Bronx since we were always "together" in darkness in a very over populated trashy world. Caribbean folks weren't used to those vibes the Black Americans carried out for decades. 50 years down the line and here comes some ultracrepidarians making videos insulting those of my culture knowingly that is out of my control but I can't help but to address it in hopes that you or any other ultracrepidarian would come to your senses, take these videos down, and quit acting like you'all don't know what you're stirring up here over a topic you know absolutely nothing of. One person can make a difference and it's not only for me but for the peeps of MY culture.
The Grammys opened my eyes👀that my research 🧐 about hip hop culture 5-Elements from the early 70’s proves Grandmaster Flash🇧🇧🗽is why hip hop DJ’s and Producers are here today and for many centuries. Dr Dre said he got it from Grandmaster Flash🇧🇧🗽 The boogie down bronx started hip hop 5-Elements🗽
How in the hell are people out in these comments claiming you said “xyz” without even having watched the full video with listening ears??? People just out here to argue or what
I know Hip-Hop from 1977 and my brothers that are 68 & 70 they witnessed it from the park jams in Bronxdale and BronxRiver in the early 70’s. The Boricuas🇵🇷 helped since day one in creating the 5-Elements of hip hop culture🗽. It started with the Afro-Boricuas🇵🇷 that look like Roberto Clemente and Alpo Martinez in the early 70’s and the mid 70’s Disco Wiz🇵🇷🇨🇺, Charlie Chase and many more Boricuas🇵🇷🗽 came through. 🗽🇺🇸🇵🇷🇯🇲🗽
@@BoricuaNyc WHAT EXACTLY DID THEY CREATE? You want to sit up here and state that PRs created hip-hop, but you do not want to explain exactly what they created. What did PRs TAKE from their culture and brought to the creative process of hip-hop? It's a simpel question. You've been going on stalking all these bpoard on hip-hop acting like a deranged parrot repeating the same lies over and over, and yet will NEVER answer this simple question.
