The creative difference between Obsidian and Bethesda 

I like how Doc calls you lucky if you have both 1 or 10 Luck. This is a paradox: surviving a headshot with 10 Luck means Luck helped you and you were very lucky; surviving a headshot with 1 Luck means you were very lucky!

My favorite evidence of this, is when you meet preston garvey. When he asks you to help, if you say no, the objective changes to helping preston and the game moves on exactly the same as if you said yes.

"I've killed millions in the war." "WoNdErFuL, tHaT's EvErYtHiNg"

"Go away" "It won't take but a minute" "Sure, let's do it"

Meanwhile, at Bethesda: "Hey kids you wanna buy some mods?"

It's even more impressive when NV was made with huge time constraints (18 months), meanwhile Fallout 4 took over 5 years.

Do you like Fallout new vegas more than 4? > Yes > Yes, but yes > No, but also yes > Sarcastic yes

Obsidian always felt like they wanted to make you feel like just another character in a big, immersive world. While Bethesda always felt like they wanted to make you feel important even at the cost of immersion and storytelling.

This should be renamed to "Every possible Doc Mitchell special comment interupted by the Vault Tec Rep saying "Wonderful""

oh... if only that were the only difference between the games...

One tiny effect I really love is how if your Charisma is high; Doc Mitchell smiles while he talks to you, but if it's low he gives you that ice cold nuclear winter scowl.

Charisma: 10 “It just works.”

Nothing gets by you, huh? Coulda used you before I purchased Fallout 4 last month.

Bethesda for the love of GOD update your engine or use unreal 4 and let Obsidian do the next one.

Doc Mitchell managed to be one of the most memorable characters in fallout and you only see him a few times. Hell, just look at Easy Pete. That's how you write a good game. New Vegas will always be the peak of Fallout.

*Puts 0 points* Vault Tec Rep: Wonderful that's everything I'm just gonna take this to the vault.

RPG with shooter elements VS Shooter game with RPG elements. New Vegas is the better Fallout by far.

It's the little things that make the characters and story that much more lovable. Seems to me that Bethesda forgot that.

In short Obsidian: "we want you guys to get to the point and your choices matter" Bethesda: "we are gonna dick you guys around, give you vague options but everything will play out how WE want it"

That's weird how people say that Bethesda should be praised for keeping the series alive. It's like somebody dug the corpse of your dead grandmother and turned it into a walking corpse. Yes, she kind of looks like her. Kind of. But the soul is gone. You still fondly remember her bedstories and pastry and you really miss them, but you understand that this cadaver is not her. You try to tell the person who did this to put an end to this abomination, but then some kids start arguing with you that this creature is much better than your grandma because it tells awesome dirty stories and can do a back flip.

Obsidian-Make Fallout Great Again

"name - Just Works" "luck - 10" you bloody genius

*0 charisma* "Hmm, must be a frontal lobe damage. Well, we know your vitals are good" Is that... Is that a burn I feel?

"Huh. Must be some frontal lobe damage" - Doc Mitchell to every character I've started.

*Wonderful! That's... everything... Just gonna walk this over to the Vault! Congratulations on being prepared for the future!*

Thing is, if you look at, say, Oblivion, you'll see this isn't a problem with Bethesda as such. In Oblivion, the douchebag elf in the cell across from you had different dialogue depending on your character's race and gender, even including custom races since they knew people would mod them in. This isn't a "bethesda as a company doesn't care about player choices" problem. This is a "bethesda is trying to copy the EA (Dragonage/Mass Effect) RPG model instead of realizing the strengths of their flexible model and building on them" problem.

I thought on the first round the Vault Tec rep was acting scared because the dude was so strong, but then he reacts that same way everytime.

I remember in 8th grade when all my friends would say “Fallout 3 is so much fun! It’s the best game ever!” I’d ask them their opinion on New Vegas and they’d say some mumbo jumbo about how New Vegas “wasn’t a true Fallout game” I always just took their word for it. Then, one day, I decided to play this “fake Fallout game” known as New Vegas just for kicks. I’d hated Bethesda’s Fallout ever since. Then Fallout 4 comes out and i’m so excited, because it had the potential to blend the quality of New Vegas with the fun of a beautiful new game. And now I still hate Bethesda.

I love how we all thought fallout 3 was this masterpiece, then FNV comes out and shits in its mouth and Bethesda is still trying to recover.

There's also the fact Bethesdas intros have been 30 minutes to an hour of forced slow story since Oblivion, while Obsidian left all that in a convienently skippable cutscene before the game begins. Then they made the actual gameplay intro just a stat setup like it should be. But once Bethesda got Fallout back they went right back to their shit.

Dr. Mitchell: *Says dialogue based on stats* Vault Tec Rep: *WONDERFUL THAT'S EVERYTHING*

I loved the unique weapon system new Vegas had. The weapons not only had enhanced performance abilities, but they were physically unique. I wish fallout 4 would have had a system like that.

If by "creative differences" you meant "Bethesda's utter laziness and use of cookie cutter design versus Obsidian's clear affinity for worldbuilding, lorebuilding and RPG elements in an IP that is rightly theirs" then yah I guess so

Look at the quest branching for New Vegas' Beyond The Beef and tell me one quest in Fallout 4 that has that level of detail. Edit: Well it's been almost a year since I posted this comment, and by the powers of RU-vid algorithms I had the video pop up again as a suggested and holy shit, nearly 2k likes on a throwaway comment. Normally in this situation people edit and say 'Thanks for all the likes!!!!' Well, not me. Fuck you all.

Even more apparent in the outer worlds.

Obsidian: We made a good game, you liked it, we loved your like. Bethesda: Buy my incomplete game, the 60$ worth of DLC to complete it, then the paid mods that you can get on the nexus for free so you can give me more money.

Bathesda's Fallout > whatever and fan service Obsidian's Fallout > post apocalyptic wild west cowboys vs Romans vs army vs mob gangsters in Vegas and gambling

i like that nv intro is short and straight to the point while fallout 4 intro is cool for the first time but when u play it again its just annoying and way too long

“Huh. Must be some frontal lobe damage.” “WELL, We know your vitals are good. “ HMM

New Vegas plot: do whatever you want Fallout 4: I MUST FIND MY SON SHAUN

Bethesda: WE NEED LIBERTY PRIME AGAIN

Some people seem to misinterpret what this video's intent seems to be. It is not an in depth analysis that seeks to definitively prove that FNV is a superior game (even though it is). It's only five minutes after all. It just serves as an example of how much FVN cared about and recognized choices that you made within the game's world, whereas Fallout 4 removed so much of the impact and consequence.

0:39 *GoAWAYYY*

Voice actor: *does one line* Bethesda: "Wonderful! Thats everything, just gonna~"

Wonderful, thats everything. Just gonna-

"Who cares, I'm having fun" -some fallout 4 fans

Potential Vault-Tec Rep dialogue responses: Even distribution of SPECIAL: Default No distribution of SPECIAL: "Wow, geez... Really?" High Strength: "Sweet muscles sir/ma'am." Low Strength: "Little scawny there sir/ma'am?" High Perception: "Wow! Sharp eyes, impressive." Low Perception: "You might wanna put some glasses when going in a vault, citizen." High Endurance: "I bet you can survive Anchorage with these results..." Low Endurance: "Ooh, let's hope those immune systems survive our vaults." High Charisma: "Huh, you must be exciting at parties?" Low Charisma: "Thank you citizen... *whispers* How is this guy/lady married?" High Intelligence: "Ah, must be a CIT alumnus?" Low Intelligence: "Oh, you must be one of those *special* types then?" High Agility: "Oh, already? That was quick." Low Agility: "Thanks, that only took 45 minutes to complete." High Luck: "Wait, you won 2 lotteries ? That's... tremendous sir/ma'am" Low Luck: "Wow, it's like the world is rigged against you or something."

Outer Worlds exposed the hell outta Bethesda and their laziness. I wish we could get another Obsidian Fallout Title to revive the dying, if not already dead, series.

it would be WONDERFUL if you made a compilation of more things...that would mean EVERYTHING to me.

Fallout is being used for milking money now.

Love how these comments also really make you understand the stats better. It's just such good design in so many ways to add those reactions to your pick, bc it shows you that the game actually reacts to your choices but also helps you understand the meaning of those stats and what it means for your character.

It's small details like these that show how much effort was put into new vegas and how much life it has.

And this is why Bethesda will never again let anyone else use their ips. They are afraid of being out done by people with creative vision like they were with new vegas compared to fallout 3. I hope they remaster new vegas, keep everything the same but add a sprint button or fuck it none at all I'll still play that shit over fallout 4 any day.

Bethesda very lazy

While we're at it: I'm hoping they bring the previous dialogue system back. I don't have a problem with my character speaking, but I want more than four options and I want more detailed prompts than: "Sarcasm", "Truth", "Lie" and "Change Subject", etc. CD Projekt Red's Witcher 3 dialogue options did a good job of this; there was range, diversity, the prompt wouldn't spoil everything you're about to say but it gave a clear indication of where you were headed. And the fact that they were committed to having a cutscene and people moving or standing around naturally in different positions and such rather than just standing upright, looking at each other, camera cutting back and fourth really lent to the conversation. Also I made my character INT 2, Next time, I want them to sound like INT 2. I also deeply appreciated how Fallout New Vegas went the extra mile to be realistically discriminatory to me, The Legion being sexist to my character was a great experience, even though it's weird how they still let me join despite that... It also made killing them more fun. Because it made both male and female playthroughs different from each other, like how Skyrim made it slightly different if you were a Khajiit than if you were a Nord, because people would at least call you "Cat". Although that could've been better, Windhelm's whole dark elf thing could've been better, as in: They could have prevented you from buying from some shops or racially abused you more. Also; Obsidian is twisted in the best way: I fucked a robot, as well as the man who shot me so I could asphyxiate him with my legs, and I tried to do the same to my own disembodied brain, I have an adoptive Nightkin grandmother killing people with a part of a plane engine, I got to Join the fucking Enclave, I deliberately nuked the world, again, I got an array of cyborg implants, I ran drug deliveries to a more badass and actually intimidating version of raiders, I also did jobs for a gang of Elvis impersonators, The horrifying creatures of the wasteland were always extremely likely to kill me, which I loved, and in general: it was just a really colourful, vivid experience that felt like a post-apocalyptic wasteland except not as dead. I thought I'd be bored shitless from a lack of things to do; looking out at that colossal desert, and I was so wrong. Meanwhile, I saw snowy Boston mountains that I couldn't even climb because of an invisible wall, but that being said: the glowing sea was awesome, I hope to see more radioactive hellholes with green lightning, heavily mutated creatures and fantastical apocalyptic terrain. One problem I felt though: The Boston city and Capital city feel very identical in layout, I liked the imagination put into places like Megaton, Necropolis, The Pitt, Point Lookout and such in Fallout 3, there could've been more of that, I have no complaints about the crafting system but it would've been sweet to make another Megaton, or to make a wall out of dead people. But I did like the idea behind Libertalia, although I hated navigating it, I also liked the Norwegian ghoul raiders there.

Love how the vault-tec rep's subtitles just broke after a few attempts

In Fallout NV, you could be anything you wanted, make it a raider or a old west marshal/lawman. Ib Fallout 4 you are ways just a worried father/mother, no matter what you try to roleplay.

Why Bethesda didn't add in traits that would explain your military background, (you could've been a sniper, power armor unit, egg head, brig, boot, etc.) it's ridiculous, that and the music for Doc Mitchell's house (Rubble of the forgotten) is so wonderful to listen to, in other words, Fallout 4 should've token a L.

I remembered when Fallout 4 was first announced, and Todd talked about how they “obsessed with every last little blinking light…” but forgot to add details like comments about a character’s strength or weakness.

This needs an update with Outer Worlds out

Yeah, that's kinda shows.

LOL did anyone else notices the names he put for the main character? Nice touch duce.

Obsidian and Fallout might just happen as of today...

Now you've got the outer worlds and fallout 76 to compare lmao

Yeah, Fallout 4 was a bit of a letdown. I love oblivion and fallout 3 for the level of immersion, I always felt like it was me wandering the wasteland and killing daedra in tamriel. I never managed to get past the idea that I was controlling a character in fallout 4. Definitely doesn't help that most of the quests get boring after a while and that I'd rather save one Moira Brown than all the characters in fallout 4 put together. Tunnel snakes rule!

Technically there are a couple people in Fallout 4 that will comment on your S.P.E.C.I.A.L placement. Magnolia being one of them, but Fallout New Vegas is the objectively better game ofc, damn Shithesda taking the rp out of our g.

Having a voiced protagonist in an RPG where you create a character is the worst decision ever made.

"If this is about The BotherHood of Steel then go away." "Why did you leave The BrotherHood of Steel?" *Talks about TBHS even when she said to not talk about it.*

How many corners in their 5 year development time did bethesda cut? New Vegas was made in 18 months. 18 MONTHS!!!!! It should be the other way around.

*"Wonderful! That's everything! Uuhh, just, gonna, WA-"*

That's really cute that FNV has custom dialogue options for *every* standout trait you choose, positive or negative. I dunno I just find that neat

Man I have such a fondness for Doc Mitchell, despite him only being relevant for the very begining of the game he is such a nice and warm precense for the begining, very grandfatherly and reactive.

New Vegas is a piece of art, it's close to perfection. Fallout 4 is a product, an industrialized, soulles, effortles product (Much like Skyrim).

Fallout New Vegas and Fallout 2 are still my favotites!

New Vegas actually has a lot of subtle differences moments depending on certain factors.

While the vault Tec employee isn't a bad way of doing that stats, but the doctors exam is such a perfect way of working stat choices into character creation that I doubt we will ever see a better way to do it.

In New Vegas telling the Vault-Tec salesman to go away would actually cause him to go away and then you would have to find a way past the guards and into the vault.

I've not looked forward to a game more than fallout 4 and ive not been as disappointed by one more either. The fact it's just a shooter with perks and they got rid off all the stuff that made Bethesda rpgs great is nuts. No leveling individual skills, dialogue choices are worse than from ten years ago, no karma or reputation stats. The stuff they add is really cool though, crafting and building is awesome imo as most used mods that would let you do that in previous titles. Hopefully someone slaps Todd Howard over the head and talks some sense into him before they do this game of thrones thing.

Damn I actually never knew Doc Mitchell would made a different comment for every 1 or 10 you set on one of your SPECIAL status. Love New Vegas even more now.

The difference is that Doc Mitchell is heavily invested in your health since his handywork kept you alive, while VaultTec guy is doing a shitty day job that will NOT award him with a vault 111 spot.

Imagine an alternate universe where Obsidian made Fallout 4...

Fallout 4 is that game, that you play 20 hours only for gameplay and quit in the middle of main story

Bethesda: Good Exploration Obsidian: Good Writing

0:20 i like how he says "look at that sky out THERE" because apparently the npcs are you

Bethesda is McDonald's. Mid af food. Obsidian is that Mexican Food stand with the Owner's Mom's Recipe. A 10 outta 10 Secret Family Recipe.

Still prefer the engine from obsidian even tho it’s aged, please get them back!!

I still kind of love Fallout 4's intro. It was my first Fallout and I think it is incredibly cinematic. But Fallout NV's intro is objectively more varied and more well paced for an RPG.

Not really a great comparison; as much as I like to rag on fallout 4 one of these people is a doctor that's been treating you for a while and one of them is a salesman who probably doesn't care much about your physicality or abilities. And its odd to add the super sped up version of the vault tech salesman while not also ignoring that the doc had a bunch of long exposition lines too lol

"Huh. Must be some frontal lobe damage." Because I always drop Charisma to 1 (pointless stat for me), I've heard this line so much that I can recite it word4word.

nobody hates fallout like fallout fans do, can never call one game good without insulting the rest 😂🤣

I been trying to explain to friends how FO4 is dumb down. This sums it up ty!!

I have this HUGE feeling that they put such a long conversation with the vault tec sails man BECAUSE YOU CAN FIND HIM IN THE HOTEL IN GOODNEIGHBOR AND HAVE HIM STAY AT SANCTUARY HILLS

Tbh I watched Fallout NV (not having played any games in the fallout series) a week or two before Fallout 4 came out. I ended up loving almost every aspect of what I saw in Fallout NV and was super hyped to play Fallout 4 as my introduction into the Fallout world. Tbh tho I was pretty damn uninterested, the story was not interesting until the end for me at all. I also honestly found a lot of the factions to be super boring. I ended up trying to get closer to them in any possible way to see if they would become anymore interesting but to be honest it just never hit. It felt like I was doing hours of quests for a faction and being just as uninterested as before. I got the end and when I had to make the decision I just kinda uninstalled because I had no ties to any of the side. Sorry for the long post just wanted someone who was somewhat new to the series to give there perspective on the game. Ty

This is one of the best representations of the creativity differences. This is the case for the entirety of both games too. If your guy has very low intelligence, dialogue from most people will be different as well as other characteristics. Fallout 4 had much more time than New Vegas but still fell very shy from the creative aspect of the game, hilarity, and niche. I would pay 60 for a remastered version of New Vegas in a heartbeat.

This released 7 years ago and changed Fallout discourse forever

Simply put One is made out of love, passion and loyalty to a name The other greed

My absolute pet peeve in Fallout 4 is the fact that we start as married, having that spouse we barely interacted with die in front of us (which I didnt give two shiz about), then find our son in the name of vengeance. Feels like your character’s fate is already predetermined, it was almost unnerving hearing your character mourn soullessly over 2 npcs you just met.

Obsidian puts that little extra charm in their work, not many devs that care about such things these days, especially Bethesda.

"who is Laughing now" - After starfield Todd Howard