Even as a 12 year old kid it always bothered me that nobody in the Bethesda Fallout universe ever had the idea to maybe clear some rubble and rebuild damaged parts of pre war buildings
Yeah like it’s been over 200 years and they did no building or if they did it looks like a pile of trash with no water, no food and dirty as fuck. 200 years is almost the same as from independence of US to this days WTF were they doing?
I want to see you clear rubble and hull trash across the Commonwealth and Wasteland while you got raiders, Supermutants, everything else shooting at you.
For that reason I had to download the mods "Clean Sanctuary" and "Clean Nuka World". I tried telling those settlers to pick up that trash, but they were always busy whining about not having beds.
Terribly accurate. "This was supposed to be a series about the wild world that emerged from the ashes of nuclear fire, Bethesda thought it was about the ashes."
I wouldn't say that is accurate. Very beginning of the video he complains that the culture is like that of the 1950's and talks about Retrofuturism and how Fallout doesn't do that under Bethesda... but it does. People in the 1950's pictured their ideals continuing on into their future in their thoughts about their future it was in exhibits like the worlds fair. And Bethesda carried their culture into their time period. As well, they also did do things that equate to retro futurism with the series including making the giant freedom prime robot that would have looked like a toy you sent boxtops in for, the Aliens and their convoluted plan to take over the world. I can fault Bethesda for some good amount of things but I can't really get on them for their atmosphere and world building... it was pretty spot on. I can fault them for recycling the find your son and find your dad plot point though and plenty of other things.
@@chaosdirge4906 Bethesda's worldbuilding is absolutely terrible and nonsensical. This meme that Bethesda has good worldbuilding needs to die or people don't understand what goes into actual good worldbuilding.
@@okagron I disagree, I think they have great worldbuilding. a lot of their lore for their games is interesting. Its not a meme that they have great worldbuilding, its just an opinion. and you can have yours but I find their lore entertaining.
@@chaosdirge4906 The stuff like giant robots, green aliens, and giant man eating ants created on an accident by a scientis trying to find some world saving formula is not retrofuturism, its science fiction, witch is again, bethesda looking over at 50's trends and saying "yeah, lets put that in our game"
I had a real trouble figuring out or making sense when FO3 was playing as of what the exact timeline is and when was this nuclear war. I tried to explain it to my brother, when I finally got it and he asked "So, nobody cleaned up area for 100s of years?"
I’ve honestly wondered why FO3 wasn’t set between FO1 and FO2 on the timeline. There’s no reason why there cannot be events occurring in parallel on the timeline in different regions. Even the representative for The Brotherhood of Steel in FO1 told you there were chapters of the organization in various regions.
@@AdrianFahrenheitTepes theres tons of evidence that fo3 was originally going to take place 20 years after the war, which would explain literally everything.
Bottle caps were not used in currency in Fallout 2. They had actual money (coins) issued by NCR. There was even a quest where you found an 'old treasure' at it turned out to be thousands of bottle caps, now worthless. :D
@@Zen-rw2fz But you could use caps though. I would never spend caps because some things can only be brought with caps. I would barter things that Id found that I didnt need for caps and goods. I don't really feel like they tried to do away with it
Because Bethesda loves iconography regardless of meaning. So caps, super mutants, Brotherhood of Steel, they all have to be around even if they shouldn't make sense on the east coast because we've got merch to sell!
that's why i usually use "disable" on rubble that shouldn't be there for 210 years. Though some of them are actually not a separate object from the game world, some rubbles are actually hiding a big hole that could glitched you out of the game's world.
When I think about that whole "why is Fallout 3's capital wasteland full of rubble so long after the war?" I think back on actual history. Berlin after WW2 was basically like the capital wasteland in large parts. You can check out actual footage of somebody driving through the city like a year after the war ended and see piles and piles of rubble and half destroyed buildings. But there's something else you can see too. People had gone back to semi-normal life, clearing out the rubble and trying to move on and rebuild. It's absolutely implausible that the capital wasteland would still be this much of a wasteland in Fallout 3. Bethesda should've set the game to a moment in time more close to the end of the war if this is what the wanted the game to be.
The creator of mad max said that even after the apocalypse, humans still make beautiful things. And thats why there was cool stuff everywhere. Bethesda has you believe everyone suddenly likes to live like methheads
Explains why they don't understand it soo much that they looked at Shady Sands growing and trying to rebuild society and decide to make it stagnant like their setting by literally nuking it out of canon
@@KaosNova2 Many feel Bethesda just wants to erase NV's success by making the game's events non-canon, but I feel it might be more to incompetence... remember this is the same studio that gave Vault 95 Jet despite it being invented by Myron after the war
@@KaosNova2There's a scene in the fallout tv show with a timeline on a chalkboard. It reads "The fall of shady sands, 2277" and then points to a nuclear explosion. NuFallout fans are coping by saying that the nukes OBVIOUSLY came after, but anyone with a half functioning brain can see that "the fall of Shady Sands" is a very real event that happened.
@@valance10 I know, lol, the “media literacy” NPC’s. It isn’t clear at all as there should’ve been a box with a date at the mushroom cloud. If you go back and look at the clip, it looks like there may have been one but someone erased it & redrew it like that.
FO3: Your dad's super important so you have to go find him FO4: Your son's super important so you have to go find him FONV: Benny shot you in the head, welcome to Vegas.
NV is still my favorite Fallout however I'm really hyped for the fan remake Fallout 4 New Vegas to release. I wanna play Vegas with modern graphics, physics, and gunplay.
@@comicsans1689 It's not about revenge, you don't have to do that if you don't want, nobody is waiting for you, the world is not in you, you are in the world.
@@ShadowSonic2 you're joking... Springvale is an abandoned ramshackle town and that place is much more cleaner than megaton, no bullshitting. Not to mention infinitely safer since it doesn't have an ACTIVE NUKE right in the middle or being in a crater 30 feet below sea level! If I were a wastelander, I'd settle down in springvale and reinforce the walls of one of the houses there.
@@DJWeapon8 Springvale is infested with Raiders, right next to that school where they took over. The town is just blasted out old wooden homes with no metal except in the school that's a Raider base. Nuclear bombs do NOT give off sufficient radiation to harm anyone, without being connected to proper maintenance mechanisms they will go inert after a few days and it takes a hell of a lot to set off a 50s era bomb to begin with. People complaining about the Nuke in Megaton Don't realize how safe those people really were.
In New Vegas, the 1950’s aesthetic works more, because it’s used less. The only place where people wear 50’s attire is the strip, the rich place. Also, House controlling the strip before and after makes the aesthetic seem actually reasonable. People use pre war attire, but it’s a sign of power, success and wealth.
Yeah I agree. Also the kings are another good example of this. While they are based in freeside, the poorest place in Vegas, that's cause they keep the peace there. The Kings are the most powerful gang in freeside and are just a big deal in vegas period. And the group only has a small idea of who elvis was. As such they only imitate him on the surface level. The King himself says that he likes to think he's keeping the memory alive.
It's even mentioned that House gave them the clothes and taught them the mannerisms and/or gave them books they used to learn to imitate pre war culture, implying that before that, they were just average tribals wearing scraps. He's actually a very good ingame explanation as to why and how people would behave in ways reminiscent of the ancient past.
@@evanharrison4054 Actually, the three families that work on the Strip (The white glove society, the Omertas, and the Chairmen) were once savage tribes that inhabited the Mojave.
Not saying every city has to be perfectly pristine, but you’d think that people would pick up the trash off the ground of their bar after 200 years if they want customers
It's crazy because people way overestimate how long it takes to fix stuff my only explanation is that they haven't done a days manual labor in their lives. Like you'll see people say "there are being attacked they don't have time to fix things" for one it's not like they're being attacked literally every day and two If I believe they're getting attacked every day it's even more inexcusable. There are giant ass holes in the side of houses that people live in, if they're really getting attacked so much surely they would patch up the holes in their houses for basic protection.
@@synthiandrakon and if you're being attacked every day, one would think that you'd shoot back. I mean seriously, they're raiders. They don't wear any sort of effective armor. Just pop them with a rifle. They'll run out of numbers much quicker than you'd think.
Or The skeletons. One of The first locations i came across was a Cafe containing 2 people. And in that Cafe there is a full skeleton. It was never removed. For 200 years.
I’m a mod author (writer) for a NV project and we regularly discuss how Fallout 3 and 4 are frustratingly “post apocalyptic” even though it’s been 200+ years since the bombs dropped. It’s also a big gripe of mine with the upcoming TV show. The whole point in New Vegas is that the west has pretty much rebuilt itself save for the major cities.
I was fine with it in 3 since it worked for its aesthetic which is amazing and I liked the variety of it after playing 2. There's some decent explanation for why the capital wasteland is so bad. But 4 and the TV show are less excusable and their aesthetics are gaudy
He'd hate it, probably. It pulls its lore and aesthetic from FO4 with references to the older entries. Essentially, they treat it like Disney treats Star Wars.
No, Deathclaws/BoS/Radscorps; that's "Bethesda never changes". "War never changes" is about how Beth- er, I mean, mankind will always be destined to make the same ignorant mistakes over and over again... (real examples: going to war with one another, ultimately, nuking the world.
My favourite juxtaposition between Bethesda and Obsidian: In Fallout 4 there was a stupid quest where a ghoul kid sat in a fridge for two hundred years and you return him to his ghoul family, about ten minutes walk away. Fallout New Vegas had a charred corpse in a fridge wearing the Indiana Jones hat.
FNV business: Hello me and my wife own this place. You might see our kid around this small town. Normally we supply the caravans but we can serve the odd wanderer. Business in F4: I own this prime location in the middle of town despite being an insane robot. Nobody has just shot me yet, I sell only noodles.
That raises a good question. Why does the noodle robot take caps as currency if hes malfunctioning and isn't even running the business? It'd make more sense if he was making food for free which justifies his presence in the center of town and the city covers his supplies.
@@unusualusername8847 I have a rule when it comes to discussing fallout 4 writing. "Don't write for Bethesda!" If I bring up "Hey how come the are hundreds of super mutants if they came from failed experiments at the institute?" and someone responds "Well maybe they found more green stuff, or maybe the-" STOP does anyone explain that? Maybe a terminal text wall? No? Then don't head canon the lore for them, "Don't write for Bethesda!"
@@Aetherston_agreed, sometimes it’s ok for things to be left to speculation. But the way I see it, the more frequently it happens, the less it feels like the writers left it open and ended and more like the writers weren’t very good at their job.
"Man i'm gonna get so much hate for criticizing this popular franchise" Meanwhile in the fallout fandom: "Doesn't matter how much we beat it down it keeps twitching"
@@IceNinja2007did we watch the same show? Just a heads up, they did not retcon those games at all. This from a guy who worked on all 3 of those. Not me, I barely touched FO1 and 2 and am not in the credits. Do some research.
@@IMRavnosthey didn’t technically retcon them all, but the desert is all wrong, it’s fissured ground in the games, and the factions are all bastardised, they did technically retcon FNV, but they’ll fix that next season when they take a lil peak at the timelinr
@@thotiusthemad5318 I think a lot of the issue is people not understanding that the show has flashbacks and doesn’t pop up 20 years ago or stuff. Also, some people seem confused on the dates. FNV was 20 years prior to when Lucy leaves Vault 33 ( I think ) ?
Dude you explained very clearly and on-point why Bethesda's Fallout world bothers me so much! And looking at the series, I don't think they'll ever change course, if anything, they are doubling-down!
Yes. 100%. Original and Obsidian Fallout games: Serve as an irritating reminder of just how stagnant and utterly stupid Bethesdas worldbuilding is in a setting where 200+ years have passed. Bethesda: Green lights a series that undermines all of the above so that now the West Coast resembles the stagnation and decay of Bethesdas inferior east coast. They even asspull the Brotherhood of Steel back to supremacy despite New Vegas establishing that they are a slowly dying isolationist cult. Fully expect them to asspull Supermutant hordes like they do on the East Coast. Bethout sucks and should be seperated from Fallout and declared non-canon.
I’ve said it before: Bethesda sees Fallout as an aesthetic, instead of a world. That’s why we get the same 10 monsters with new textures each release, and why Fallout 4 only has two cities. I almost wonder if Bethesda wanted to do away with cities entirely - it seems like they didn’t know what to do with Diamond City.
Yeah, I think Bethesda is more interested in the visual iconography of a Fallout world that's still reeling from the bombs. They are less interested in actually moving things forward or exploring deeper themes of Fallout.
I love Fallout 4, because its trashness makes Fallout New Vegas look even more appealing than it already is. It's such a rich world, despite being forced to release ahead of completion. The DLC's are amazing and adds even more goodness to the base game, which did not feel that empty even though it's a literal desert.
They ruined they ruined the Deathclaw for me my first Fallout was Fallout 3 and when I stumbled across them for the first time they scared the shit out of me then I come to F:NV Quary Junction Deathclaws I've never tried to run away from something so fast ever not even in Fallout 3 yeah I know they exist but it was whether I would run into them that got me Fallout 4 made them look badass but they made them so common for me it took away the fear factor. Plus Bethesda has retconed Fallout lore and their own they are destroying the franchise.
This can't be...I just found out about this man's channel and now you're telling me he's gone? Good lord... _Requiescat in pace, Shamus._ This was an excellent analysis, and I hope many take heart on its excellent points ='(
The image at 10:24 represents the idea perfectly. The bartender is busy cleaning the bar table, while the whole bar is just filled with rubble. Absurd. And not in a fun way.
I can definitely agree with the stagnation part. In FO4 you exit the vault 200 years after the bombs dropped, and the world looks like it just happened last week.
@@ombelle5284I'm really hoping that Bethesda will take advantage of the new updated engine and FINALLY add some apocalyptic civilisation to the world.
Yeah, there is about as much time between when the bombs fell to when fo4 starts then between you and I and the end of the industrial revolution. That's more than enough time to rebuild the world.
Maybe its something like mad max where the evil people built and fucked up the world after a few years and stayed in those sick mentalities keeping the world in disaster while the few good try to rebuild i can see that happening its hard to rebuild when humanity is trash 99 percent of the time and loves destruction even now its been years since damaged building and etc have been fixed instead rats are and roaches are taking over and people are going down and even new york has become disgusting rather thqn looking more futuristic people like going backwards when they can do whatever
it kinda reminds me of when silent hill re-used monsters like the nurses and pyramid head despite the fact that it made no sense in the context of the story but purely becasue they were iconic
@@VicBaws not sure what you mean by this, SH1 and SH2 have completely different monsters. Sure, SH1 has nurses, but they're entirely different in look and symbolism.
@@IAmAnEvilTaco I played the absolute fuck out of Fallout 2. It's one of my favourite games. Yes, it's chock full of pop culture references and it's much less dark than the first one. But it's a more lighthearted take on the same setting, not "the 50s never died and nobody has built even so much as a shack brand new since the bombs fell."
Well, the zombies (scorched) are irradiated humans, and there were a hell of a lot humans compared to region-specific, unique creatures like the Grafton monster.
You’re completely right about everything. One thing you haven’t mentioned is that the NCR existing makes so that civilization is officialy restored in the US. The apocalypse is over, and the post apocalypse theme doesn’t make sense anymore.
And the show proves it. They don't want civilization to flourish, they don't want change. They want the wasteland to keep on existing to endlessly create these boring settings for their games.
spoilers for the fallout show! To be fair though shady sands did exist as a large city that had a lot of people, but was completely leveled. There's an argument to be made that the theme is that the world cannot rebuild itself because the people are too busy engaged in constant warfare, but we can't be sure unless they continue with this theme into the future.
@JamesJennings-ki4wj Counter argument, that setting is from the OG Fallout games and to destroy it sends the message right out the window. If the places the player in the games had a hand in making better can't thrive, be it the NCR or Vegas, what does? Bethesda is too busy wanting money to ever put a definite answer on how to rebuild society.
@@Imanmagnet00 well like I said maybe the point is that they can't rebuild society because they just keep going to war with each other. If they're going for the "war is hell" angle that's something, but I don't have full faith in them that they're intentionally trying to do that. As for your last point, I guess at this point they don't really care about how society is rebuilt which is something I wish they would explore, but it is their IP, if they'd rather have it be just an anti-war series I guess that's up to them. I guess my point is that while I do agree with you and the video that the original idea of fallout is interesting, at this point Bethesda has created more content for it and owned the license longer than any other group. It's up to them how the story goes.
Do you not get that the world never improves in fallout because the constant bickering of factions. They literally said in the show. “Everyone wants to save the world they just disagree on how”
@jupitergaming5146 That's an excuse writers use to justify the lack of improvement. That's stagnation, as this video said. Regardless of the bickering, the main character has the means of solving that, like in New Vegas, where you finish the game by helping whichever faction you consider best for the Mojave. The appearance of Vegas in the show either means those choices were meaningless or they were pushed aside to give the narrative of the show more importance than that of the games that spawned it.
Great points in video. Hopefully there are the original authors or team that gets the IP, or a new team that understands the IP and works on the new simulations and game. The IP needs to go to a new owner.
@Grym personally I play fo3 and nv in the ps3. Why? My dad doesn't have the money for a pc. We had bought the ps3 years ago. Not everyone can get into pc and that's something that NV community can't understand.
@Luke Thomas What you thought you said - "Gaming on consoles is so much more convenient, and I have to expend less effort to get the game to work." What you actually said - "I much prefer games built for the lowest common denominator, actually getting the best quality will always be less important to me then the speed at which I can turn on a cut down alternative version."
@@kekfreedomheritage5633 i would kind of like Microsoft to buy up the franchise, seeing as they have some of the old heads of the franchise on their payroll now. Obsidian does have its own issues, judging how Outer Worlds, their most recent game, loses its charm after one playthrough and has a bit of the same effect as Fallout 4, but I think that if they were handed back the franchise and were given a good amount of money, they could make fallout good again
In Fallout 4, it is so hard to go to these different places and think people have realistically been trying to pick up the pieces, have families, and go on. The whole world is built just like you said, like the bombs went off last week.
Ok lets look at the facts. Theres the institute killing people and replacing them with synths. Theres mutated creatures. Theres super mutants. Theres raiders. Theres a fight for FOOD and WATER every day. Now explain who the fuck would have time to sit down and plan out a town or city. And even then begin construction WITHOUT being killed. And then if finished without it being destroyed by some conflict. I swear these comments have no fucking clue what fallout is
People seem to forget that they’re people out there trying to keep the capital wasteland lawless like the contract killers and talon company. In fallout 76, the capital Wasteland is known as “hell on earth.”
@@groundbird4904 That’s the story of Fallout 3 - Project Purity. The water is horrible in the Capital Wasteland and people want to clean it on a large scale. With the waters of life, hygiene will go up.
Probably my prime example of Bethesda’s lack of understanding and care for the series is Jet a drug created in Fallout 2 and is a pretty vital component of New Reno’s story and a companion was even the creator of it. But Bethesda ended up retconning the creation of Jet to be a pre-war invention so it ends making the creation of Jet in 2 a coincidence and that nobody managed to find pre-war Jet and reverse engineered it. I could understand Jet making it across postwar America but making a postwar invention into a prewar thing shows how stuck in the past Bethesda is.
In fallout 2 Leslie Bishop, wife of John Bishop, tell protagonist that John manipulated her and hooked her on jet, when Myron was a little baby boy. It's lack of understanding and care for the series too?
Why more relevant thab ever? The last game still is FO76. And if you're talking about the TV show, it has actually none of the problems listed, it's great. You can tell they took references mostly from the west coast games.
@@BigBillsBadDeals pretty much everything he said about Fallout 3&4 apply to the TV show too. They even destroyed Shady Sands and New Vegas to make the west coast more similar to the east coast
@KobeAndersonCactus no it didn't. I like this guy's video I was amazed when I looked it up and saw it had 1milliom views But the show separated the 1950s theme from the wasteland besides the music that played during those scenes. So tell me what the show did that was in the video. His problem with the 1950s was that Bethesda was turning the wasteland into the 1950s. But in the show they're Cleary separated.
They would be little more than rubble and people would have built new towns by then. As in Fallout 1, as in Fallout 2, Van Buren and New Vegas. You notice the pattern?
@@Duchess_Van_Hoof Even with the rubble, in New Vegas makes sense with the squallor and gang warfare in Free side, or the fact its a wasteland in the other parts of the Mojave with the constant dust and such.
Well in my mind its such a harsh and dangerous wasteland that they arent able to establish well run cities and towns.. personally thats what I want in a fallout game, and I dont think 200 years is a very long time tbf, think of how small the population now is and all the dangers from monsters, radiation and raiders. Downtown dc in fo3 was ideal to me except maybe there should have been more settlments and it have been larger. All of the FO3 settlements seemed bang on to me excopt they could have been a bit larger, like that one on the bridge and the republic of dave.
@@Dareyouhow yea but thats reason y it shouldnt be like it is rivet city wasnt clean but the atmosphere they made in there it felt real like u see people there thangs shi like go to church at certain time go to diamond city they either open or close they aint there most likey sleeping thats it they can make it more immersive but y put in the work if u already got the money right
I wish they would completely remaster it. Same stuff. Just brought up to date graphics. But beautiful, controversial nitty gritty back alley streets of New Vegas
@@senortapatio6216 a fallout show came out recently and imo it’s kind of a stinker. A lot of the fans agree and criticize it because of how carelessly they handle the west coast lore.
@@Frog-bo7wvyou are completely wrong, the show is the 2nd highest rated on Amazon prime, the show also got a whole new audience to play fallout games after it dropped
@@Lonestar1017yeah but 90% of modern tv and movies suck nerds just love it cuz fan service but it all feels like shitty fan fiction like all of it. Just feels patronizing the way it’s always some nerd culture or marginalized group that the makers honestly don’t care about it’s all money no love
@@Lonestar1017basically my point is people won’t judge any of these shows or movies honestly because it’s not about quality but it’s about feeling like they’re finally right and represented in mainstream media whether about fallout, super heroes, sexuality, or anything. Which leads to terrible soulless media
One of my favorite details in NV is in one of the earlier towns. The place is named "Novac" but on closer inspection you'll notice it's because there's a very old sign which reads "No vacancy" next to the inn that just so happens to be missing the "ancy".
@dorispringlebrule There's another case like this in Fallout 3 where the town of Arefu is named after a sign nearby that originally read "Careful," but the C and L have weathered off
@@grizzlyanimationsthey don’t care.. they think fallout 3 is trash and new Vegas is gods nut.. they will never acknowledge how great 3 was and that without it there would be no new Vegas, they won’t acknowledge that without 3 they would have nowhere to start from 🤷♂️ they neeed to hate to feel better about their personal choices in entertainment.. in reality fallout 3 is more fun to play 🤷♂️ it’s dlc are more “fun” you actually play the game not just talk like in new Vegas 🤷♂️ I’m not young I’m 30 before u insult me , they are both good games.. whenever I see someone hate on 3 I automatically assume they don’t get laid because they are uptight 🤷♂️ can’t enjoy a game for what it is..
@@lonemaus562I'm gonna insult your reading comprehension. What in the flying fuck did the original comment or the reply say to prompt your message? Read them again and again if you have to, until you realize that your response makes you seem unhinged and as if you tied your personal identity and or sense of self worth to defending fallout 3. Cringe
"Imagine a world where law enforcement chases down smugglers with helicopter backpacks and city blocks migrate around with the help of massive steam engines while the mail is delivered by postmen flying around on bird-like flying machines." Bioshock: "Hold my beer."
Came back to this video after seeing New Vegas trending on twitter, and finding out why. With the TV show, Bethesda is now getting their Bethesda all over the West Coast canon.
Mark my words, the East Coast Brotherhood is just going to roll over the West Coast when they pull up on the Prydwen and basically destroy any trace of the old West Coast lore and world building. The Brotherhood is going to be even MORE prominent than they are already. The Enclave is going to pull a Star Wars 9 and just "come back" and Super Mutants are going to be post-apocalypse orcs again. And it's going to be awful.
@DeepestDankest already happened, the airship in the trailers that was the Caswennen or something like that is now just the Prydwen, BoS and Enclave are major factions on the west again despite dying out in NV, NCR “didn’t work out” despite being a country with multiple cities and at least a million citizens, and Vault Tek/The Enclave nuked the NCR’s Capital because they were “competition.”
This echoes how I feel about the franchise to a large extent. It’s difficult to explain all of this to people who’d never heard of or cared about Fallout until 3. To them the third game is Fallout and its predecessors are just archaic versions of it. I don’t fault them, I merely disagree, but the point is Bethesda spawned a new generation of Fallout fans and it seems like even the TV show is squarely aimed at that audience. I don’t even see it as a continuous series anymore. Bethesda’s Fallout is a pastiche. Good or bad it’s materially different. The lineage of the series is not an unbroken path, it branched off and sadly led to cul-de-sacs while the mainstream branch continues forward. RIP Shamus, this was a well-articulated and insightful argument.
After watching this video I really did think about the super mutants. I thought it was kind of a stretch to have them in Fallout 3, but I accepted that they'd been made in a slightly different way. Once I found out The Institute had been making super mutants in Fallout 4 I felt like it was much more of a stretch, even back in 2015 when it first came out. Imagine if Bethesda hadn't completely brought super mutants back for 3 or 4, but instead had just put a single Mariposa super mutant in one of those games and he's only there because he wants to be as far from California as possible. Imagine how interesting it would have been to see this mutant, probably one of the last of his kind, so far from the place he was created, something people who played the old games could look at and go "Wow, I remember these guys, it's crazy that one of them is all the way on the East coast!"
Interesting that you didn't even mention that Fallout 2 went out of its way to end the "bottle caps currency" thing, even lamp shading it in a side quest. (FO: Tactics also did not use bottle caps.)
Ah yeah,the side quest where you get 5000 caps as a "treasure" but they barely sell for any real currency,I never knew that quest was that smart,mainly because the point was overshadowed by the humor involving the quest
@@lCore17 Pre-war money isn't a currency in FNV. Sure it's valuable and kinda works but it's not treated as a currency. In the game 1 Denarius is worth $10 NCR those are worth 4 Caps and vice versa, that set value never changes regardless of your barter skill while pre-war money isn't considered a currency but a regular item by the game, thus your barter skill affects it's price.
@@kersacoft mate do you understand how currency works? Those bills have a value and are traded for goods and services. Great. That makes them money. Not hard to understand tosspot
@@IKMojito but you can't barter 1 pound for more than its worth in the real world like you can with pre war money in NV. Just because its a piece of paper with "money" written on it doesn't inherently make it a broadly acknowledged currency.
It feels to me like Bethesda just thinks that time goes backwards in the Fallout universe or something Like 200 years after the war and people are still living under piles of debris with pre-war skeletons littered around, while only 30 years after they have the Whitesprings Resort doing well enough themselves that they have resources to spare and send across half the country AND all the C.A.M.Ps that are more technologically advanced than even what the Enclave has! While half the map is still on fire!
What Bethesda did is actually worse than just creative stagnation. It was a deliberate choice to turn the series into a theme-park version of itself, where every game has a checklist of a few mandatory elements and branding: caps, Brotherhood of Steel, super mutants, Vault Boy, vaults, vault dwellers, vault suits, feral ghouls in the tunnels, Nuka-Cola, and the 50s aesthetic. I wouldn't be surprised if they tried to bring the Enclave back.
Yeah they are dogshit at story telling. They basically have a template and people love their mediocrity. What also bugs me is their incredibly shitty UX and UI. Like the game reeks 2001 UX design decades later. You can't even argue its thematic because it shows even less than what Fallout 1 and 2 did.
@@alargecorgi2199 I never knew about Fallout 1 and 2. I started with Fallout 3 and I liked it because it wasnt a bad game for 2008. New Vegas was better a lil different. I really liked the aestetic, the pip boy character, and it was different experience compared to the usualy 2008-2010 period games. I liked it because it was different. It had atmosphere. But then I started reading on Wikiepedia about the Franchise and played both F1 and F2 and I realized That bethesda never invented anything new. Everything I liked about the BEthesda games was present in fallout 1 and 2 and I got it why old fans were so dissappointed. You are right about the engine. Its incredibly old engine that they just update with new textures and add code to it- but the reek is there- that clunky early 2000s feel is there. That annoying post click delay, that awkward mechanical zoom in to a NPC's upper body during dialogue. Then there is the awful perk system transition from Fallout 1 and 2. Every perk, every point spent made huge different in F 1 and F2. Every single point, everything I did made a difference. I had to bring up my calculator to actually caclulate things. I wouldnt mind if it was a little less relaxed but boy did bethesda made the the points u put up in every cathegory NOT COUNT. Once again you are right. the bugs are something everyon weirdly tolerates, the unexpected crashes midgame without players doing anything, the poor dialogue. The storylines are simply not comparable to 1 and 2. A kid looking for his scientist father or a 2077 man frozen in time looking for his son? In Fallout 4 I could literally look at an NPC and I already knew what was he/she about and how the conversation was gonna go. it was that predictable bland boring and sterotypical. A guy dressed in a baseball uniform- geee I bet he is related to a baseball quest somehow. Im glad people are waking realizing Fallout 76 wasnt a fluke and Starfiled is having negative overall review score on Steam. Good riddance and f them
My first playthrough of the Institute Playthrough I was honestly expecting the Institute to actually be the Enclave. Instead of giving us a villain reveal that could've been interesting. They just are Enclave but more loner types.
Oh man, the breakdown of retro-futurism was so good. It doesn't hurt that this is happening all the time as people speculate, make artifacts, and judge the present based on the hopes of the past.
@@physical_insanity Rome isn't either of those things, if it was then I would say its a precursor but that is a naive view on it. Rome holds a special place in hearts of westerners but everyone takes away different things. Almost all countries are founded on what their inception of what Rome was with only a couple of exceptions, and they all got it wrong even shortly after the fall of the western empire the Frankish Carolingians and the German Otto the Great founded the Holy Roman empire without understanding how the Roman Empire functioned, their idea of a feudal society was nothing like what the Romans had, which is even more ridiculous because the Byzantine Empire existed who was just a continuation of the Eastern empire but even they changed over time. So the feudal kingdoms of Europe saw themselves as based on the Romans but missed understood everything but the same is true for republics based on Rome Venice, United Provinces, and the USA based themselves on what they thought the Roman republic was but were incorrect, they were closer than the feudal kingdoms were but they culture was still different so the governments were different too. The same is true for fascism the fascist looked at Rome and tried to imitate the results and the aesthetic but that was really it. They didn't understand the Romans they only understood that they conquered a lot and looked really cool. TL:DR - Pretty much all governments in the west are based on what people thought the Romans were like but they failed because they wither cherry-picked/ didn't actually understand it/ were too different to truly imitate it
You´ll just love Mutant Year Zero then. It´s all about the postapocalypse and how the fear of war in the past is now misguiding a apocalypse worshipping sect into seeing the nukes as something holy and godgiven, salvation in total destruction. And it´s only up to you and your group of slowly unlocking stalker friends to stop them. It´s more fair then X-Com 2 and normal mode is quite beginner-friendly althrough i´m already sweating on hard
And all of these errors have bled right over into the Fallout show on Amazon. It's a frick'en nightmare of a TV show. High production values, sure. But at it's core it's a mess.
I loved the show and happy with fallout 3 & even more so 4. It lacks features but mods can fix it. Never played 1 or 2 nor vegas, which looked so bland
@@skydivin4ng3l You can argue the F1&2 are a hard pill to swallow for new players, but they can be everything except bland my brother in Christ. Even a more insane take for NV that is a F3 in steroids with the storytelling of the first twos. Give it a shot
In FNV the existence of Super Mutants are explained that they were former master followers that are searching a new home to live, and there is a two kind, that the keep being hostile to humans and those that search a peaceful place to livr. The BoS is actually a former shadow of itself, the Enclave is barely mentioned.
Correct and FNV takes place near F1 & 2 so there doesn't need to be alot of explanation as compared to either of those things ending up on the East Coast in a world where longhaul transportation isn't in great supply (especially for the more typically simple-minded Super Mutants). Bethesda can't even use the Vertibirds as a good method of moving all of the way across the country since it's established that they need to be refueled (unless they want to make of those Fallout Tactics BoS airships canon now).
You didn't mention the most obnoxious thing about Bethesda's re-use of bottle caps, Shamus. In Fallout 1 they weren't just "an ad hoc currency", they symbolised the dominance of the Water Merchants over the SoCal economy. By Fallout 2, clean water is much more available and the world is safer. The Water Merchants' hold is broken, the NCR becomes a fledgling state who, as such, immediately bring back the printed dollar. What makes Fallout 3's recycling of bottle caps so galling is that not only are there no Water Merchants to use them as their symbol, there being no clean drinking water is the main plot point of the story!
Good point. Heck, the NCR then didn't even print dollars. They had gold backed currency, and for post-apoc terms, this is absolutely HUGE. It meant that they had trade routes to places capable of mining gold (Redding), the capability of making said gold coins, AND pretty much dominated the economy of the Core Region. One would think 3 would totally have Water Merchants of some sort, considering how the absence of water is such a huge plot.
@@sr.favopossodeixarvaziosim4595 good points, all. At least we got New Vegas as a proper sequel to the OG Fallouts, we're lucky Bethesda even allowed that. Doubt it'll ever happen again!
@@kierancraig7380 Y'know, if it didn't have a terrible monetization scheme. Bethesda really doesn't need as much money as they're getting from people who are stupid enough to buy anything after buying a full price game, at least Fallout 4 was a complete experience, excluding DLC, which is pretty standard. Fallout 76 is held back by it's terrible moneymaking methods and horribly outdated engine
kieran craig it’s not even remotely decent it’s mediocre at best and wastelanders isn’t going to save the game neither is the next update 76 will always be a lazy monetized fallout 4 port that shouldn’t have been realeased
Except the fact that _Fallout 4_ isn't even a good game in general. Even if you stripped the _Fallout_ IP from it, it would be a forgettable looter-shooter with mundane shooting mechanics and a boring "open"-world.
"the glowing sea ... this haunted hellscape felt like an idea that would have been right at home in the old fallout games" you mean like *The Glow* from fallout 1
I loved the glow in the original game. So haunting, paired with the radiation system it was downright menacing. I had to go back to an earlier save because I looted everything there, then died when I tried to travel, because of the radiation.
Draithegemini Well I played through Fallout 1 about 3 or 4 times and I got into trouble every time I tried to loot the place. 😅 My first Fallout was F3 about 10 years ago (I’m 21). Needless to say, that experience didn’t help in my first F1 play through.
@@GrosvnerMcaffrey I feel the same way. I thought thatd be where the special freaks would be but by the time you get there you have power armour and enough weapons to get by easily
had fallout 3 been earlier in the time line alot of that would not be an issue. but beheads thinking no one is gonna fix anything after 200 years when fallout 1,2 and nv show them rebuilding. just makes the Bethesda games look worse.
@@mr.rufasi2729 Are there no people with the knowledge to move the fucking dead body in their house? Or sweep the floor from time to time? Besides, if they can create improvised weapons, they can build something resembling a human dwelling.
Exactly, people are fine with living in surprisingly shit conditions- I.e. no toilets and rubbish everywhere. If that’s how you’ve always lived your going to be fine with it. You could argue that because the war is such a long time ago, the way people view things like rubbish and stuff are different
@@billyray9925 i just despise the guys so hard i keep obliterating them every time without much interaction, aside from Caesar, who I attempted to serve but failed to be swayed.
@@cowbless Hating the legion is made easy because they have lost a lot of content because of time restrictions. Have you talked to Ceasar about his plans and the other groups? You can't really judge the faction without listening and thinking about what he has to tell.
Bethesda went overboard with the retro-futurism. Fallout 1-2 did it perfect. Mixed in a dystopian wasteland with pre-war retro-futurism and a very dark aesthetic. Fallout 1-2 really feel like a wasteland. Even the audiologs are immersive in the originals.
Fallout 1/2 really do feel like the best fallout games in terms of atmosphere and environment design. I can appreciate all fallout games ofr what they are but 1/2 feel simply the best and most cohesive imo.
Shamus: "You don't just create a quest that goes like 'This monster sucks, go shoot it for me.' " Borderlands franchise: *That's where you're wrong buddy.*
@@AyoxinBlake Yea, they don't. But many of those quests still feel very shoddy and lack some depth. And that is coming from someone that completed all the games except for BL3 including all quests, DLCs and those headhunterz cashgrabs.
@@john_smith_john ...And...? I didn't say they are good. But they managed to sell them pretty well. Just like Bethesda is selling their trashy half-made games.
They could of at least made some mechanics that prove you would be the only one able to access those areas since then , maybe locks and codes and some semi working tech that would apply
You are the only man who understand my pain. F2 was already a step in a wrong direction with it's gangsters. They started to bring known cultural things and the whole picture of unknown world started to crumble.
The most hilarious and ironic part of it to me is how much Bethesda hams up the Vault Boy like he's not only the Mickey Mouse of the series, but even the world itself. The Vault Boy was a dark parody of using public-friendly iconography to mask the horror of series subject matter like nuclear death. He's a lot more cynical. Imagine a company putting like Duckman or Bojack Horseman on shirts and lunchboxes as a fun mascot for kids.
He fits in an ironic and meta way nowadays. He was a mascot for a greedy and corrupt company and nowadays he is a mascot for a greedy and corrupt company that wants to sell you virtual furniture in a broken game.
I other wondered what a fantasy midevil rpg made by the same team that made fallout 1 would look like specifically the vault boy character but in midevil situations with magic and stuff. Somebody please make this game.
@@robmoye5192 It's not exactly what you're looking for but they did make Arcanum, which had the basic premise of "what if the industrial revolution, but also magic".
@@syloui Valve at least made a new engine, even two. The fact that their games live for a long time so they have to use the same engine is a different thing.
They dont really need a new engine but they need to update the one they have. Most "new" engines aren't fresh made from the ground up but just improved versions of what the developers used before
Hopefully between the hype from the Fallout show and the Microsoft acquisition, Microsoft will let another studio (maybe Obsidian again) work on a new spinoff Fallout game.
"War, War never changes - men do, through the roads they walk" -Ulysses. This line made me realize that Fallout New Vegas is the real end of the franchise (Interplay/Obsidian) It answer the most iconic phrase in a bitter sweet note.
That is so true. People never push you into the person you are, YOU push yourself to the person you are from the choices you make and the way you deal with things.
"Maybe the bottlecaps migrated." "What, on their own?" "Maybe they were carried by a radscorpion." "How?" "In its pinchers!" "Look, it's not a matter of leverage....!"
The bottle caps were everywhere, nuka cola was a national, if not transnational corporation, it was said there was a vending machine on every street in America, so of course there would be plentiful bottlecaps
I loved the feel of Shady Sands and other Fallout 1 locations, reminded me of a star wars type planet like Tatooine. Life's dangerous but people carry on.
Adobe architecture finding a new home in the wastes was a sight to see, first time I tried Fallout. Immediately got a mod that replaced some key buildings with Adobe style houses/structures in New Vegas.
Shady Sands was based on early Sumerian cities (map screen even had art in that style of a man in the tunic holding a spear} it's evolution to NCR in fallout 2 also (from a farming village to a city state)
That was kinda whole point of Fallout universe. People were building up societies. The first game was 80 years after bombs. So very few people outside monsters(ghouls) could even remember what was before... Instead they would be striving to make best out of their lives.
8:51 - 10:15 This is exactly what bothered me during my many hours playing Fallout 4. Why have none of the settlements cleaned up their hovels, built new buildings, refurbished old roads? The people just walk over trash, tires, bathtubs etc on a regular basis, instead of getting together and pushing them out of the middle of the road at the very least! I had downloaded a mod for FO4, I think it was Spring Cleaning, that let me remove debris/weeds etc from the ground that you couldn't normally interact with. I also learned to use console commands to further clean up junk from around the game world, at least within my settlements. I could make my settlements start to feel like actual settlements, people re-establishing places for themselves within the wasteland, but it was quickly wearing me down, being that I had to do all of that by myself. It didn't actually feel like an RPG anymore, loading up my save file felt more like I was tending to a bonsai garden or something. Even with something around 1k hours played as well, I never got very far into the story. Every couple of years I always go in and try again, without managing to finish the game.
No matter how many 100s of fucking hours those idiots in Sanctuary hammer on the walls, nothing ever gets fixed. And theres not even a way for you to actually fix the walls and roofs yourself built into the settlement building system. You have to use rugs and pillars to clip floor/wall pieces through the broken buildings if you want to actually "fix" them yourself. And yeah I used that mod also, just to get rid of the piles of dead leaves in the middle of houses, and stuff like that. Can you imagine what the buildings in Fallout 4 smell like? Piles of rotten leaves and trash rotten wood and insulation, dead bodies mouldering everywhere. Kitchens full of rotting food. There would be mold and mildew EVERYWHERE. I hate Nukaworld just because i can imagine what all those corpse decorations must smell like.
I really don't mind that the vast majority of the Commonwealth is a low-density trash dump, it makes sense to me that when just living each day is a struggle and monsters and bandits might be anywhere, no significant cleanup is happening. But the fact that there are trash piles and no signs of maintenance whatsoever in the places people actually live? Yeah, that bugs me. That nobody would do anything about loose rubble and trash, even in the middle of the most commonly walked areas, just isn't plausible. Somebody would decide it's easier to move that rubble once than walk over it every day forever. And figure that even low-grade effort to block holes in crumbling walls is better than letting the cold winter winds through full-blast. How did that not seem weird to the designers? On a side note, while I get the people of the Commonwealth not cleaning up much in their barely surviving state, it does seem very questionable to me that they stayed in that extremely fragile state so long in the first place. By that long after the bombs fell, you'd think it'd have long since settled into complete collapse where everybody died, or a reasonably functioning society, but nope, instead of falling one way or the other, Commonwealth society somehow stayed precariously balanced in the least stable state of all for that long. Just one of the many, many things that would make much more sense if the bombs had fallen much more recently than the official timeline states. The Commonwealth being how it is would feel so much more justified if it'd only been nuked a few decades ago, rather than two centuries.
Why does India and many other third world contries live in filth and squalor, despite the fact that they haven't lived through a nuclear holocaust? Hell, I've seen American towns that were about as dirty as Diamond City.
Well it makes some sense when you think that America no longer has the infrastructure and economy to support the rebuilding. In real life, when a building or a road is falling apart, we have the materials to fix it or the money to tear em down and build new and improved ones. In the fallout universe, nuclear war essentially destroyed the international economy and everyone’s way of life. There is no means to acquire outside supplies or technology, so there is no way to construct anything with materials beyond what is in the general area. So I think it makes sense everything is still rundown or cobbled together in an informal way.
Coming back to this after the release of the tv show… Bethesda’s fundamental misunderstanding of the IP makes me sadder and sadder with every subsequent release, was really praying that the show would be more faithful to the original games not just Bethesdas versions of fallout, that end scene, truly insane choice to have New Vegas, the beacon of what this video is about, be nothing more than a ruined hollow shell of what it’s meant to be. The ultimate gut punch to fans, what a kick in the head…
Its interesting hearing these opinions. I had no clue people felt this way about the show. I actually loved it and is my favorite game adaption. It nailed bethesdas fallout. Which works really well in live action.
@@Whatacomedian_ The show does fine for what it is, but I feel it's far to kitsch and *'reddit dark comedy'* that feels more like this was meant to be a Borderlands show, and not a serious post-post apocalyptic character driven drama in the fallout universe (obviously the series has always had some corny stuff in it but the Show goes too far with it) this is without going into all the lore shenanigans it's mangled
I came back after wasting three hours of my life actually watched the new "Fallout" tv show, and sadly this video still got it right after four years, you will be missed Shamus Young.
I feel like Diamond City is great in concept. It makes sense that in a harsh wasteland you'd probably take up residence in the most secure building you can get to that's still standing, and a baseball stadium basically offers a giant fortress-tier set of walls that you could easily block all the entrances for and turn into a very defensible structure. The Stands can be torn up and turned into space to build various things like houses and other services, while the dirt in the middle can be used to make a farm to feed everyone. Even if parts of the stadium are damaged it'd probably still provide a massive enough pile of rubble to still work as a wall. But of course as you point out a lot of it isn't really followed through on and I'm willing to be that at no point was the lead writer thinking "Oh it would make sense to take refuge in a large defensible structure like a stadium" they were instead thinking "hey lol lets make a city that's in a baseball diamond cause boston" and filled it up with more 50's-isms like the baseball guy and whatnot.
Also alot of things are left unexplained like where do they get their energy, how does the election system work, why does Macdonough seem to have no clear goals (I know he's a synth but at the end of the day fallout 4 makes synth like humans just with programming)
They seem to think that the games had a super 50’s sci Fi aesthetic, when they really didn’t. The only thing you would ever really recognize as 50’s is the black and white tube TVs, the cars, and maybe the infrastructure and ad placement. Otherwise the characters and situations would just tell you how real or how desperate everything felt. The weird overuse of “lol it’s in the future 50’s” in the newer games is just jarring.
Great video. A lot of games today suffer from the world-building issues you've critiqued here. You could be roaming around enjoying the game world and it's towns, but it all starts to seem rather silly the moment you stop and ask "Hey, what do these people eat? Where do they sleep? What is their motivation for living in this particular area? Why set up a town in an active volcano without incorporating that into the story?" etc
Even the creators of D&D maps had this problem. Build a city near a water source? Nah... just evenly space them around the nonsense terrain features with an equal ratio of mountains, forest, and deserts... for variety.
Unlike the other things, Nick Valentine actually makes sense as an old-world detective because he's got the memories and personality of a detective who was kidnapped and killed by the institute shortly before the bombs dropped. Also, it's new. Nowhere else have we seen robots that look like zombies and act like humans, and that's why he's amazing.
the institute and synths are new and interesting, they even have the "are they people or abominations" thing which whilst i think is a bit over done, it does fit with fallout given the other abominations mankind has made trying to make the world better.
@@Ludovicus1769 I respect your opinion because no opinions are invalid and it's just preference nothing wrong with that, but that being said fallout 4 was a let down for me, I loved it at first because it was the first fallout game I ever played but now new vages is the best in my opinion
This may be the best commentary I have seen on fallout. I hate that I saw it 3 yrs later. I clicked it assuming the NV angst I see alot, but this is one of the best complaint videos I have seen. I feel like you hit every nerve that got me on fallout games, and addressed them well with solutions.
The advancement of society between F1, 2 and New Vegas always logically made sense to me. Fallout 1 takes place a little less than a century after the war so yes things still suck but people are actually trying to live. They’ve built walled villages, started farming, trading with others that have done the same, cleaning up, etc… Fallout 2 is set another 80 years later. The threat of the Master is gone, already established towns have grown, the population has grown, more technology has been rediscovered/reinvented and the larger factions are actually trying to restore some semblance of order to the world and New Vegas does the same thing while also introducing the idea of new conflicting powers based on different ideals. Fallout 3 laughs at this idea and says “Haha no actually no one over here has really done that. Everyone is still barely scraping by and using the same garbage they’ve used since the bombs fell and they have no plans to change this”
New Vegas actually fits in the same category as Fallout 3 and 4. Casino city in the middle of the desert and it actually flurishes for some stupid reason.
I mean, when you realize all the settlements in the Capital Wasteland has no reliable source of food or water, no means of effective transportation, barely any trade or interaction with each other, and are surrounded by a hostile wasteland full of Deathclaws, Supermutants, and Feral Ghouls - it does kind of make sense that their society hasn't progressed anywhere. The bigger surprise is how any of those settlements are even still alive.
@@LadyDoomsinger Fallout 4s story is also pretty understandable. Boston was once a pretty chill place until the minutemen were attacked by gunners and on top of that were betrayed by some of their comrades. Boston is also a brutal place with raiders everywhere. Interplays titles are more unrealistic in this case, They never really elaborate how such centralised structures like the NCR survive. A real post apocalyptic society would be either led by a dictatorship or be just a few city states with lose bonds between each other. The Boston commonwealth and Washington DC are the best depictions of how things would look like in a unstable environment.
@@derunfassbarebielecki It was honestly meant as a joke, not justification. The lack of food, water, trade, etc. is entirely due to Bethesda's flawed worldbuilding, not a deliberate design or narrative choice.
@@LadyDoomsinger The nuclear winter caused by a full on nuclear world war would kill most plants, fungi, bacteria and animals. A local conflict can put us already in a ice age lasting decades. Trust me, a nuclear war creates these shortages. Creating structures which go beyond a bunch of neighbouring settlements is almost impossible and if such were formed, they would be short lived. In both 3 and 4 such structures actually existed, but they were short lived as expected.
At the end where you put "Don't EVEN get me started on how the ran the whole 'War never changes' phrase into the ground." It made me realize how different it meant when FNV quoted it and when F4 quoted it. FNV felt very melancholy compared to F4.
@@Ludovicus1769 it has a " let go of the past." meta narrative through out the main game and dlc. which can be seen as obsidian telling fans to let go of fallout in general.
the reason why fallout new vegas is so good. its because obsidian studios made it. (black isle before) also the same people that made fallout 2. and fallout 2 is a amazing game. so if obsidian makes another game. its gonna be a success
It’s become something of a tradition of mine to return to this video every time Bethesda vomits out some new abomination, but the Amazon series essentially retconning all of Fallout New Vegas is the only one that has actually upset me.
Forget New Vegas. They retconned huge swaths of the two original games. The Boneyard doesn't exist, Shady Sands is now in LA, the Master somehow didn't find a bunch of vaults right in the middle of his city, the NCR was basically just a city-state based around Shady Sands and collapses completely when that one town is nuked.
@@hiybbprqagyou do realize that the entire show doesnt take place in LA, right? Only the ending and flashback do. That’d be like saying Fallout 4 only takes place in the city of Boston. There’s not much that directly contradicts 1 and 2 besides what Bethesda has already changed and complaining about that is stupid as fuck. This entire video is just sad as if subtlety automatically makes something much greater.
Fallout:NV had 3 main currencies being used within a single valley, meanwhile God Howard seems to think bottle caps would have the same value in a region with far more access to water, glassed beverages, actual gold, etc. Bent pieces of tin make no sense as a currency outside of desert regions.
No modern currency has no value either. It’s all subjective. Pieces of cotton or plastic have no real value. Gold had no value in the past besides jewelry but they used it as currency. If you want realism any widely available object that can be easily stored and agreed upon can be used as currency. Fucking pieces of stone discs with holes in the middle used to be used as currency in the yap islands.
@@mtszlr Yes, it effectively uses only bottle caps. But, NCR paper currency and Legion coins is there. Miner in Sloan is paid with NCR currency while also explain an NCR $ is valued only about half of a bottle cap. They provide the backstory while still somehow makes sense in a place where drinkable water is rare. And also I guess it as a way to simplify barter system in game to accommodate short dev timeline. TBH they develop the game better than what I can develop in my software in 2 years.. now I feel sad 😭
You miss a really big example of progress in Fallout 2. Shady Sands exists in Fallout 2 as NCR complete with more walls, new buildings, paved streets, electricity.
The 50s aesthetic was just to establish the limited technology you have in the game as well as environment. But the plot is supposed to be its own thing, about rebuilding. I even saw a concept where in new Vegas, people are trying to make new music and there are musicians, and they eventually end up making 60s-70s music, with its themes of rebellion and change from traditional music.
One issue with this video is how it covers Fallout 2, in that game the NCR is the main faction, your aide in the first game led to Shady Sands becoming a proper country who’s coinage is the main currency of the wasteland, meanwhile Super Mutants are starting to slowly go extinct without The Master, and The Brotherhood has fallen into stagnation and is starting to die out, the idea that they somehow made it to the East Coast is insane. These story lines are continued further in New Vegas, the super mutants led by Marcus from Fallout 2 have fled east into the Mojave, and while the Brotherhood managed to somehow destroy the NCR’s gold supply the NCR won the war against the Brotherhood who are now having population issues. The same is true with The Enclave, they were introduced in Fallout 2 and got their shit beaten so bad their only presence on the west coast is 5 scattered and largely disillusioned old timers pushing 70-80 years old and Arcade Gannon who’s really just an army brat. Cut to the Fallout TV show and oh boy did Bethesda make an absolute mess out of the West Coast.
@@alexanderchippel I wouldn't have put it that way, but I pushed my way through to about the halfway point on the promise it was a good game, but it just never clicked for me
@@alexanderchippel Bioshock Infinite basically copy and pasted Belle from the animated Beauty and the Beast film and then added a handful of elements of Tangled. This was all mixed into a hyper-gory game and it honestly didn't really fit. Throw in a terrible ending and you have an overall mediocre game.
