The Crown: Fictional Truth vs Truthful Fiction

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Ah dear. Most upsetting. Terrible tragedy. Season 5 of The Crown is a letdown. On the plus side, it gave me a good excuse to watch Tobias Menzies have an existential crisis again. Doesn’t get old. Unlike the queen, who apparently ages herself out of relevancy between 1990 and 1991. But check out the storytelling techniques employed in seasons 1 through 4! Hero’s Journey! Archetypes! Self v Shadow! Who knows, maybe they’ll make a triumphant return in season 6.
Or maybe the show once had meaning but over the years has lost its sway and romance, refusing to retire and spending hundreds of millions of pounds as it fizzles into irrelevance…
ARTICLES:
On Selective Storytelling: www.dailyprincetonian.com/art...
On the Queen's Visit to Ghana: qz.com/africa/1179193/netflix...
On The Troubles: extra.ie/2020/11/28/entertain...
John Oliver: • The Monarchy: Last Wee...
Etiquette Expert: • Etiquette expert react...
00:00 Introduction
04:13 The Hero's Journey
09:08 Character Archetypes
12:04 Self vs Shadow
16:03 Symbolism & Metaphor
23:20 Season 5: What Went Wrong
30:50 Final Thoughts: Storytelling Ethics
The Crown Season Five
Claire Foy
Olivia Coleman
Imelda Staunton
Prince Charles
King Charles
Queen Elizabeth II
Matt Smith
Tobias Menzies
Dominic West
Princess Margaret
Vanessa Kirby
Helene Bonham Carter
Lesley Manville
Princess Diana
Emma Corrin
Elizabeth Debicki
Camilla Parker Bowles
Emerald Fennell
Olivia Williams
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@BG12sofia Год назад

Thank you for articulating why the revenge dress scene felt so hollow, although I was looking forward to it.

@tfh5575 Год назад

season 5 didn’t even feel like i was watching the crown anymore. i found myself just trying to get through the season

@RT-dk7yv Год назад

It was so annoying in season 5 how they kept trying to make the boat happen. Also very annoying how great Elizabeth Debicki looked as Diana but they didn’t do her narrative justice.

@unclegumbald989 Год назад

This show is one of the best supervillain origin stories we’ve ever gotten. This woman goes from a bright-eyed girl into a stone statue.

@gpodjoe9179 Год назад

From a Disney Princess in the 40s to low-key Evil Queen in the 90s

@juanitajones6900 Год назад

A true Royal Family and King Charles stans, are you? Lord.

@paleobc65 Год назад

You perfectly summarized why this season fell off. There was too much focus on Charles and Dianas divorce and not enough on issues that were affecting Great Britain politically and socially.

@NeeneeH Год назад

You definitely encapsulated my feelings on the season. I couldn’t exactly put my finger on why it felt off compared to the previous ones, especially when it came to casting. Phillip had previously been one of my favorite characters and now I don’t know who that man is

@dnister_nymph Год назад

That episode with Charles is actually in my top 5 favourites of the whole show. The writers did their work masterfully

@AG-iu9lv Год назад

Which one? Tywysog Cymru?

@mikhailstewart Год назад

@@AG-iu9lv i loved that episode. I don't really care too much about the Monarch but it's such an interesting show..

@AG-iu9lv Год назад

@@mikhailstewart it was a fabulous episode. ❣️

@alondralima5098 Год назад

@mediterraneanworld Год назад

It is also too bad that the Queen Mother and Margaret got marginalized, just like in real life - I find them very interesting historical figures in how both they were defined by and limited by their roles.

@elleywest8779 Год назад

As you've beautifully illuminated, season 5 loses focuses on Elizabeth's story. It felt like a pro-Charles biopic, not The Crown.

@juanitajones6900 Год назад

"The Crown" IS THE FUCKING FAMILY, and not merely the current sovereign. Hell, half of Seasons One and Two were dominated by Margaret and Philip. And Season Five is set during a period in which the breakup of Charles and Diana's marriage had dominated the news. If the current king cannot deal with this, fuck him.

@UnknownUnknown1 7 месяцев назад

It’s almost like he was set to be the dirtier king or something. Shocker

@WynterMourning 5 месяцев назад

I think it’s a pretty natural transition as the show is always focused on the Crown as an entity. And exploring Charles is an inherent part of that. Which I think the show really leans into in season 6.

@sydneyr13263 Год назад

Maybe a hot take but I loved the Mou Mou episode - I think it was one of the better episodes (if not the best) this season

@Alice-pq3dn Год назад

same episode 3 was definitely the best

@paleobc65 Год назад

I thought it was the best episode of the season too! Especially because I didn’t really know where it was going

@redblaze8700 Год назад

I was disappointed that the queen never said: “I WILL HAVE ORDER!”

@marianap.h3961 Год назад

I think the show runners are getting scared now that the show is catching up to the present.

@martinborysek7091 8 месяцев назад

Thank you for an enlightening analysis! I just thought I would let you know that even an ardent royalist such as my humble self can enjoy and appreciate your insight - I agree with much of it and do hope the last season rises higher than the fifth!

@03torioreo Год назад

I feel like I'm listening to an exceptionally well written argumentative essay. Really enjoyed it and I've subscribed, which I rarely do.

@Shamino1 Год назад

I never once bought Detective Mcnulty as Prince Charles. Never bought the new Prince Phillip either, your observations about Phillip's mannerisms and cadence between Matt and Tobias evolving, only to be cut out entirely in S5, is entirely true. DIana and Elizabeth's casting has never been closer to reality, and yet those actors are given absolute dross to work with. I could see the issues of constant thematic repetition coming in S4, and it came out in spades in S5. What they chose to ignore was fascinating, and what they chose to show us was terribly boring.

@ReaverLordTonus Год назад

I was actually bummed out that the fire at Windsor wasn't more prominent in season 5. It was just one part of one episode but historically it had a lot more go on. Prince Andrew actually aided in the rescue of priceless items even as the fire blazed, Prince Phillip oversaw the restoration and the decision to pay for it by opening Buckingham Palace up for tours. But the show just had the Queen there when much of the Royal family was. It would have been a good opportunity to force them all to set aside whatever disputes or friction they had even if only temporarily as they all would be effected by the event.

@goated3285 Год назад

lol Anne & Charles relationship is by far the best to see. It definitely reminds me of minds with my brothers. As an only girl you literally have to be the brains & balls most of the times.

@dnister_nymph Год назад

I watch the show for the cinematography in general. And season 5 is still beautifully shot, so I haven’t been disappointed 🙃

@davidgarciagallardo8428 Год назад

I felt "The Crown" is taking the "Game of Thrones" route. Great show getting wasted in last 2 seasons, due to either the showrunners trying too hard to make fans happy (and they fail) or rushing the episodes to made them a collection of highlights (empty inside). Disappointed by season 5, with a big miscast (Dominic West is a good actor but I couldn't believe him for a second as Prince Charles) and a constant sensation of decadence for this story. Let's see how it goes the season 6

@ShakespearsCyst Год назад

I guarantee that if you approached them and asked, "What were The Troubles," most Americans would have no idea or could only say a few bare bone facts. I was hoping, especially after they showed Dickey's death via the IRA, that they'd at least have an episode covering it. The routes they took in this season are perplexing indeed. I really didn't need a grisly reenactment of what happened to the Romanovs.

@amanekabbaj Год назад

Aberfan is my favourite episode but seasons 1 and 2 are my favourite overall. Favourite characters are Charles and Anne in seasons 3 and 4

@prismaticmarcus Год назад

i think what may have unbalanced s5 was that there were hardly any PM audience scenes, which, in a way , had previously been the engine of the show.

@juanitajones6900 Год назад

What? I couldn't give a shit about all of the scenes between the Queen and the current PM . The idea that those scenes were the ones that drove the show makes no sense to me.

@prismaticmarcus Год назад

@@juanitajones6900 well, The Crown is based on Morgan's play, 'The Audience', so...

@juanitajones6900 Год назад

@@prismaticmarcus I'm sorry, but I still disagree that those scenes featuring the Queen and her PMs are not what really drives the series. Some of them have been interesting, but . . . no, no. I just don't agree with you.

@Darceyab Год назад

@@juanitajones6900 the audience scenes have in previous seasons introduced what the episode or next few episodes will be based around , even if they arent the most interesting they were crucial

@tangobravo168 Год назад

Thank you for the great insight and analysis! I've only watched first two episodes of season 5 after multiple watchings of the first four seasons. You have helped me identify why I feel no urgency to watch the rest. I will eventually with feel no urgency because they just haven't reached me like the first four did.

@jordiepants8295 Год назад

This is a very well thought out and produced analysis, good job. Keep it up

@thirty_ish2890 Год назад

I didn’t think season 5 was the best season ( not by a long shot) but I still really enjoyed it. One of my favorite parts was actually the scenes with Prince Philip and his God son’s wife where he’s teaching her how to drive a carriage and just spending time with her and showing her kindness while she is going through the loss of her daughter. I thought that was very heartfelt. Your criticisms are definitely still valid though. A lot was missing from this season.

@nostalgicbliss5547 Год назад

Once again a great job breaking down the strengths and weaknesses of this series. This channel is going to blow up very soon.

@rockablity_hound1716 Год назад

I feel like this season was the part I too season6's part II. Like they spent the entire season setting up the final 10 episodes. Kinda like Deathly Hallows Part I did for part II.

@morsmitt3126 Год назад

I stopped watching 5th season I was so bored. Most characters irritated me. I agree with your take on new cast. Most characters seemed off and I was dissapointed. It lacked politics and important events. It was just family drama. I was bored by Diana and Charles. I love how you put it 'They don't you story telling for royal family, but rather use royal family for story telling' in seasons 1-3/4

@fredkelly6953 4 месяца назад

There were a couple of poor casting decisions in S05. For Philip we got a crotchety old man but he wasn't our crotchety old man which Matt and Tobias had been built up so well . For Charles we didn't get the guy who never got picked in a game of ball, we got someone who was in the top half amongst a group of men. Add to that the rather depressing storylines and it wasn't much fun to watch. True watching the developing train wreck can be riveting but I personally don't want to revisit such a tragedy. It feels like everyone is playing their parts in a play, rigidly sticking to their historical roles without going deeper.

@MozzieMutant Год назад

I was an hour extra in the Ghana scene. So surreal seeing me in the video 😮

@jordan_sal413 Год назад

I stopped being invigorated by the show at season 3. Mainly due to how fantastic Matt Smith especially, and Claire Foy did with their portrayals. I just wasnt interested with the rest of the seasons after 2. Not to take away from the other actors takes but damn, they came out swinging and it couldnt hold up when they changed.

@58christiansful 5 месяцев назад

Superb analysis! Now you MUST do 6.

@DrexelGregory Год назад

Anyone else can’t unsee Dolores Umbridge anytime we see Imelda Staunton?

@Boblw56 Год назад

West and Pryce were poorly cast. Staunton was awful. Never changed emotions through entire season. The Diana actress was amazing.

@ROyler-rs6nh Год назад

I disagree, I think Staunton was acting the way she was supposed to. The writing is what made the queen seem sort of feeble, mostly just a figurehead watching everything happen around her while losing relevance. I found it disappointing -- I'm sure it was intentional, but wish she'd had more to work with.

@marbles9176 Год назад

They had absolutely no business casting a man THAT fine to play CHARLES of all people

@passiveaggressive6175 Год назад

Season 5 seemed rushed and too focused on Diana. That saying Elizabeth Debeckis performance was chefs kiss. But Imelda Staunton was deeply disappointing as the Queen. I even think it lost some of its production value, and even the soundtrack which was delivered so beautifully in seasons 1-4 seemed to have disappeared. It barely registered on my radar

@abrahamjean8176 Год назад

Personally, i sort of disagree to the conclusion parts in terms of the existence of the show and its purpose. I know that the British Empire and its evil colonial past and present upholdings have destroyed lives and cultures across the globe for hundreds of years. And that the monarchy very much to many represents not only that, but the stark sense of global inequality due to race and money. However I came, and so did everyone else i assume when the show was first announced, to watch about the royals themselves. Its sad so many terrible things happened but they are supposed to be background and glimpses in the time of the reign of Elizabeth as the show is about her and her family and their struggles, views, terrible choices and etc. On a more agreeable note, I was also rather let down by the 5th season because I just felt that they could have filled it up a lot more, and not relied so heavily on sensationalism. For instance, I thought the bland way Diana interacted with her sons (especially Harry who she doted on openly) was a great disservice to her character and I felt that was because they spent way too much time humanizing Charles and Camilla. Not saying those two didnt deserve a more nuanced look (im a staunch supporter of it) but it seems as if they couldnt get a good balance and that its real crucial in those years.

@jr3wx 6 месяцев назад

Such smart analysis! This whole video I kept thinking "oh, THAT's why I enjoyed watching that part." Except, and I hope I'm not spoiling you here, there was zero reference to the Good Friday Agreement in the final season. There was a storyline about 9/11 though, and the UK's subsequent involvement in the US invasion of Iraq. It's hard not to wonder whether that creative decision was on some level about the creators wanting to show the UK as coerced into a boondoggle by a much stronger ally. Any honest reflection about Ireland sure would've made it harder to get away with framing the UK as somehow just a weak little guy trying its best in a bully's shadow.

@RealRoknRollr3108 Год назад

Excellent analysis and breakdown of what this show is about and why its artistic licence to the facts is a good thing

@denisecox1883 Год назад

You forgot to mention that portraying Diana as crazy and Camilla as the voice of reason was THE most annoying part of this sdason. Charles forcing Diana to say Camila's name had me fuming💔

@GlennDavey Год назад

Thank you for putting words to how I watch the two different kinds of scenes in this show: is it doing truthful fiction or fictional truth? People get upset and want "not a documentary" disclaimers because it artfully flops between both.

@cobbija Год назад

Brilliant, brilliant analysis. Loved every second of it. Really good ideas. Thanks a lot!

@prestely 7 месяцев назад

To me season 4 was the series at its peak, I absolutely loved the interweaving of Thatcher, Diana and the Queen in this season, I felt that was brilliant made and extremely compelling. Except for season 5's "Mou Mou" episode, it seems the show has now fallen under Diana's spell and I'm not really looking forward to season 6. I don't understand why they dragged season 5 storyline so much, I kept waiting for events to unravel and the plot to move on and I understood too late how Diana drama addicted it had become, turning into a poor follow-up to Stephen Frears's The Queen.

@Matthias333 Год назад

Great video. I think you really nailed what made season 5 such a "B-" season in an otherwise "A to A+" show.

@AG-iu9lv Год назад

Season 5 reflects the internal upset of the firm that followed Diana's arrival extremely well, and with far more subtlety than The Crown usually employs. If building in that undercurrent of unbalance was intentional, it's impressive af and makes the overall diminished quality of the season as a whole when held up against s1-4 a bit more forgivable; if it was not intentional, it's a happy accident in a way, but then what is their excuse for the "meh" that is s5?

@unclegumbald989 Год назад

RU-vid needs more long-form content on The Crown. Do a video deep-dive into Moondust! ✌️

@cobbija Год назад

Yes!!! That episodes stands alone! I recommend it to people and say they don’t really need to watch the series to get it. My favorite episode of the whole series

@prestely 7 месяцев назад

Moondust is also among my top favorite episodes! I would love for your deep dive on it!

@dnister_nymph Год назад

Thanks for the great analysis

@aberrantcow Год назад

This is a fantastic analysis! Thank you so much!

@shaelunamidnight3585 Год назад

For the entire show to be about The Crown I am still baffled why the rest of Elizabeth children are nearly non existent. Why season five should have been about Charles Andrew Anne In that order and the conflict of new ideas versus old traditions. The beginning of the impact of the entertainment industry impacting the image of the royals and the UK to the world 🌎 It was just too lacking for me, and felt like a watt pad season of Meet Charles … And forgive Camilla because she isn’t going anywhere 🤣🤣🤣 Like the differences of how future Kings let mistresses upheave the structure of the 👑. King Henry similar to King Charles anyone?

@annamojzisova9 Год назад

I don't normally comment anywhere, but I really enjoyed your analysis and you definitely deserve any boost I can give you! Looking forward to future videos.

@oliverblewett5021 Год назад

Please keep making more content ☺️

@cfox7811 Год назад

The royal family has become a letdown in reality so perhaps season 5 is fitting.

@mediterraneanworld Год назад

Season 5 seemed cheap compared to the others, perhaps as it becomes more contemporary - it becomes less enchanting and glamorous - I also feel that since the last season the Queen and Phillip have died and Andrew and Harry are in disgrace and it does "feel" very different. My favorite was perhaps season three - Charles and Camilla are boring.

@debbystardust Год назад

Thoughts on The Hero’s Journey: I’m something of a novelist. My debut novel will be published next year by Outcast Press. I started it out of spite really (I had only written poetry or short stories in the past) after being brutally rejected by another writer who loved The Hero’s Journey and was reading a book called The Heroine’s Journey (ironically, he doesn’t seem to treat women very well.) I didn’t use The Hero’s Journey in my process; it’s true enough that stories have protagonists and POVs, I suppose. Granted, I prefer to write transgressive fiction which means breaking the rules. To me, plot is far less important than characters and plot only exists to support characters. My writing advice would be to write your obsessions and your passions in lightning on the page.

@passiveaggressive6175 Год назад

Excellent video essay.

@texaspoontappa2088 Год назад

This is a damn good video. I wish it was longer

@carolarol Год назад

Honestly, I was just incredibly bored watching season 5. The only episode I distinctively remember is the one about the Romanovs. I'm sick and tired of watching Charles and Diana have the same argument again and again. It's realistic, yes, but also bad television. I loved The Crown because it was part docu series, part soap drama. This season forgot the history and focused solely on a very open and shut divorce that wouldn't have been very interesting (even in real life) if it weren't for the sole fact that they are royals.

@Kasamira 3 месяца назад

Really enjoyed this analysis!

@jaynekranc8607 Год назад

Totally agree. Five is a total let down. The first three are the best.

@Hotpot_thot Год назад

This is amazing I’m so grateful for your analysis 💗

@BigHenFor Год назад

Only 1 issue with this review, and it's to do with the factual vs fictional representation in The Crown of The Crown. In Constitutional Law, there is the Monarch and The Crown. The Queen as a constitutional monarch, has no executive power in government. She doesn't decide policy, especially foreign policy. That is the responsibility of the party in the House of Commons that has the majority of sitting MPs. She meets with the Leader of that Party who is by custom appointed Prime Minister weekly and is further guided by the Privy Council. They have the executive power in law as The Crown. So, Elizabeth and now her son Charles, are front men for a powerful establishment, and that very real power is symbolically mediated by the person of the Monarch. They are it's public face and embodiment of it. So, the dirty dealings of empire, the economic colonisation and geopolitical shenanigans are the gift of the politicians. The Monarch is directed where to go, and who to see on official business by the Foreign and Commonwealth Office.

@virginiamorris92 Год назад

I like how you spent time on what you did like

@Alligatortoof Год назад

The only episode i thoroughly enjoyed from S5 was E3. That’s it. It felt similar to episodes of previous seasons. Something felt way too different about this season compared to past ones. N while your video n others do shed light to what exactly was different, I’m still left wondering what went wrong. Something tells me it’s due to already knowing everything that happened since it happened so “recently”

@merryoldgrinkh9020 Год назад

my personal favourite was the episode "Paterfamilias".

@noyku Год назад

I really enjoyed this video and agree with you on 5th season. Really good content please go on :)

@YS-ep7zw Год назад

You’re not supposed to root for the Queen. This isn’t a hero’s journey, it’s a biopic; a dramatisation of real events. If anything this is a fall from grace plot (I.e. a tragedy). I thought this season was great, if a bit slow in places. The pacing needed work.

@tylerthompson7461 Год назад

My only complaint was the actor for Prince Charles being way to hot this season

@ayantandon2333 Год назад

Great take!

@lizfuller400 Год назад

Think it is dreadful and will not watch it. Dominic West is too lovely to be Prince Charles at that age. The actress who portrays Princess Diana is brilliant. But still not interested.

@KPT437 Год назад

Josh O’Conner is so amazing!!

@HisameArtwork Год назад

yeah, they wasted so much time on Diana&co.'s telenovela instead of all the global politicking we enjoyed so much. It followed the GOT decline.

@thakatspajamaz Год назад

absolutely fantastic analysis. Commenting to boost because this should be making numbers.

@jrrtalkin Год назад

appreciated!

@JoelJoel321 Год назад

Pretty sure season 6 will begin with Diana's death in 1997 rather than the 1998 Good Friday Agreement.

@juanitajones6900 Год назад

Pal, the Royal Family has aged itself out of relevancy. Unfortunately, many have refused to accept this.

@virginiamorris92 Год назад

Great vid

@bboo1688 Год назад

In another video they mention the lack of politics in this season. There were so many "historical" moments they could have drawn from and use Johnny Lee Miller to a greater extent but he got relegated to a mediator between Charles and Diana. Such a waste of talent and possibly great storylines.

@AnnaC63 Год назад

Well then it's an accurate account because the royals in the 1990s were disappointing and hard to relate to.

@michaelrecycle9838 Год назад

I doubt season 6 will begin in 1998 given that Diana died in '97.

@tfh5575 Год назад

yeah tbh i don’t like the monarchy and their establishment has done horrible things for centuries but i did have a soft spot for elizabeth herself

@schroederscurrentevents3844 Год назад

If you watch the “woman to woman” interview with Margaret Thatcher, you humanize her pretty quickly with her relationship to her father and stuff. I wouldn’t be surprised if it was a little bit of inspiration. Everyone is human, after all.

@passiveaggressive6175 Год назад

I found Imelda Staunton playing the Queen the worst performance to date. I agree I found S5 very disappointing

@kaymoto4023 Год назад

Very informative. Season 5 cast Elizabeth, Philip & Charles is awful.

@Wongwanchungwongjumbo Год назад

The Famous Netflix Movie 🎬 The Crown 👑 is the Greatest Tributes to her Majesty, Late Queen Elizabeth 2nd. May her Majesty Queen Elizabeth 2nd Rest in peace 🙏 🪦.

@lyricbot8513 Год назад

I thought season 5 was (somewhat) intentionally bland because it was showing (and over-hammering) the metaphor ofhow run down the moncarchy had become. But it could also be because the creators got bored with the whole thing themselves

@robertstevenson7122 Год назад

Every actor in season 5 was miscast. Each episode was a piece of junk.

@JudyCZ Год назад

Really? What was your issue with Elizabeth Debicki? I felt like she really shined. Also Mohammad Al Fayed seemed very well cast.

@thegreypath1777 Год назад

I prefer: HISTORICAL Fiction.

@passiveagressive4983 Год назад

Season 5 is very disappointing

@Wongwanchungwongjumbo Год назад

The Crown 👑 Season 5 will portray the would had been events that led to Princess Diana eventually Divorce and her Death in Paris Car 🚗 Fatal crash.

@2Sugarbears Месяц назад

You mean the truth? Or the real truth? Cause little of this series is true.

@arvielockridge9159 Год назад

ᑭᖇOᗰOᔕᗰ 😃

@juanitajones6900 Год назад

I'm in the middle of Season 5 and I find your criticisms to be . . . "irrelevant". Ever since Dame Judi Dench opened her damn mouth, people have been on a tear to bash Season 5 and especially its focus on Charles and Diana. Perhaps Seasons 1 and 2 were so popular because they didn't focus on the controversy of Charles and Diana. You really disappointed me.

@sweetiedahling8137 Год назад

So you don't have any actual well-constructed counterarguments of your own to the points brought up in this video. You really disappointed me.

@juanitajones6900 Год назад

@@sweetiedahling8137 I don't give a shit about how you feel about me, but apparently the opposite is true about you.

@jrrtalkin Год назад

take it easy! I didn’t bash season 5 because of what Judi Dench said - in fact I criticized her - but either way no need to be rude !

@juanitajones6900 Год назад

@@jrrtalkin It's not just Judi Dench. Once, I tried to re-watch Seasons One, Two and Three and realized I didn't find all of the episodes that interesting. Only half of each season has been interesting to me. This has been the case for me in regard to "The Crown" since the beginning. But I feel the series is still good overall for me to continue watching.

@simonwatson4153 Год назад

Why do you Americans take this TV show so seriously? It is pure fiction. Is it that you regret 1776 and all that? You have never had a President who commanded such worldwide devotion and admiration as the late Queen Elizabeth 11.