Honestly the only cheese that really fucking annoys me is the instant spark+unblockable ultimate spam. Literally ruined single battles, people will not even fight you if they aren’t in sparking
Getting jailed by Ki blasts while guarding into an unblockable ult at point blank range is infuriating. Those are the only players I don’t rematch, everything else has work arounds
When you said it could be considered fair that Roshi has afterimage strike because he only has two health bars, remember that if you just bring in Full Power Roshi for the exact same cost you start with three health bars and can go back to your smaller form whenever you want to keep afterimage strike.
While that is true you would have to waste 4 skill points again if you wanted to transform again. Plus the skinny version has the super amour ability as well so there's isn't much of a point in the strong form unless you wanna use a ult
As a Base Kefla Player, I always find it funny when I see an SSJ2 Kefla because most of them don't really know Base has some pretty good utility with Wild Sense and Base's Ult is also a huge AoE. I also find her Rush Super a lot more reliable. SSJ1 Kefla also has False Courage, which can still kinda be helpful depending on the match.
The first DB Ragings blast had afterimage strike, and every auto vanish would cost ki, and you could use characters explosive wave to trigger the auto vanish and exaust your opponets ki. Much better implementation.
Yes wish they went with the ki base route with the skill moves in SZ. People would still get them off even in RB but it wasn’t to this degree and AIS, wild sense and afterimage you could also simply step the move in RB1 cuz it only made them vanish on strong hits like smashes, heavys and the last hit of rush attacks. RB2 went back to the vanish everything with AIS but like you said it would cost them ki and explosive wave was also always a good counter
4:55 it isn’t unblockable, you just have to be facing the character. If they’re spamming ki blasts just hold left while deflecting. You can check it in training mode if you want.
Nice analysis! As for the ragequitting: it could hopefully become based on remaining HP? Say a user quits with less than 2 bars of health, consider it foul play, award normal points to the player still connected, subtract double points from the disconnected player. If both players have more than 2 bars of health, it would THEN be "No Contest"
I don't have a single win on my account. Not that I've lost every match, but every one I've won, they other guy rage quits. Quitting mid match shouldn't even be an option for ranked.
Most Z ranks aren't even good at the game tbh. Had an open lobby for any rank to come in (im B5). One came in, and the guy just spammed his unblockable Z Broly ult to do any real damage. He could super counter and vanish, so its not like he's "trash", but the combo game was non-existent, and he only won through spamming ki blasts into the ult multiple times. Any time he wasn't broly, i was destroying him. With a siabaman no less. Disappointed.
This a majority of the matches I play and it’s sad cause I was was looking forward to sz but all fights are just defensive the whole time mfs spamming perception the whole time hoping the get lucky, no skill, same like 7-8 characters in both dp and singles, ranked already ruined game ain’t been out a month
Literally a great way to fix the Ki-Blast spam is just allow you to move once you are deflecting Ki blast, because literally what ends up happening all the time is they spam the ki blast you start deflecting and they kite behind you.
I feel like its the other way around. when that new bleach game comes out i can see alot of the people who dont abuse cheese tactics leaving cuz we gonna get fed up.
Tien/Base Vegito/Perfect Cell/Bardock player here. Honestly, I think most of the cheesy strats can be overcome. I have encountered lots of SSJ4 Gogetas and Jirens but their lack of knowledge on the game makes it hard for them to succeed even with the most broken characters. Instant spark can be worked around once you get into the flow of your rival, as long as you don't give them room to breathe, they won't be able to pull off the animation. Use the fact that they have very lacking fundamentals to your advantage so that even one input wins are unreachable for them. But I do have to say that maybe there needs to be an adjustment to how skill points work on ranked. It's way too often that I will corner someone to their last health bar, and they can just abuse their abilities. I believe that, at least on ranked, skill points should be treated more like a reward and not a passive resource that you know you will get. That would neutralize a lot of bad practices in my opinion, and would encourage to a deeper resource management that ultimately makes the combats more interesting imo. But in the end, I've been playing these games since before the 2010's. At this point I don't care about ranks and a more "competitive" scene because I don't think I'm alone when I say most of us don't really care at the end of the day. What truly bothers me is the lack of variety. To the new players who just pick UI Goku or Jiren, are you really having fun? Do you really just want to log in and repeat the same strats over and over again to see a letter and a number go up? You are telling me that out of more than 180 characters, those are the only ones that interest you? You spent more than 60 usd on a brand new game just to do that? I can't control them. But it's depressing to see that they are hindering themselves from experiencing one of the most fun and unique fighting games out there. It should not be about the ranks, it should be about having fun.
I think what this game really needs is a "for fun" mode, where there's no points or ranking and players can ban certain things they don't want to play against like characters or skills. Especially if they're not going to fix any of these glaring issues.
I don’t mind cheese tactics to a certain extent I only hate sparking zero ultimate spam I fine with fighting them in sparking zero I just hate when the only use to just spam the ultimate*proceeds to look at trunks*
I keep saying you should be able to customize skills for characters. But at the very least we should be able to customize characters with similar moves in their transformations. Like having end of z goku ssj 1 with instant transmission and Meteor smash
I really hope bandai does change the game for the better because yes, this game is 100% hype to play. they should also add a forfeit option too for people who maybe need to exit the game irl for an emergency so you don't get banned.
Nah, either commit the time to Online or don’t, most “real life emergencies” are what? Mom asking you to take the trash out? Getting the pizza? A phone call? Gotta find the time to lock in, to be great requires time invested, just look at any great athlete or competitor.
@@Codyslx Legends is a free to play mobile game ala Plants vs Zombies or Angry Birds, its very nature is “toilet gaming”. SZ and actual full fledged competitive games aren’t in the same level, they ask more from gamers than “something to do while you take a dump”, it’s ok to ask time and commitment from your player base, especially when they want to claim they’re “here for the PvP” A “Forfeit” button is just a free disconnect
@BananaFish2459 What does any of that bs have to do with how the ranking system works? A forfeit button will properly give the winner and loser the appropriate points, so who cares if they disconnect?
I’m in A5 and I can barely get into a game anymore. I would have to wait almost ten minutes for one match to happen just to fight meta characters every time. I don’t mind it sometimes but it gets very boring to wait that long for a match just to fight them.
Also, I went to check the A5 ranking and there are 16k players that are in A5 and I never get to play them. It’s always high A rank players or S players. The matchmaking is so bad.
Shouldn’t have try-harded so soon. I play once every while and I’m in C rank. I have fun, and I don’t face cheese every game, and I likewise don’t bring cheese myself. Stop taking it so seriously
Cant lie I am part of the problem😂 but not in the cheese parts, more of the disconnects bc of how cheesy these players are. I mean dude I’ll have a kefla dragon rush to me then spam their unblockable or nearly impossible ultimate back to back and it’s like na bruh I’m not gonna give you the points fuck you Imma dc. Ik it’s not right to dc but do yall feel me ?
@@yavierechevarria2408 I ain’t knockin you for that. My beef is mainly with the keflas doing that to you BUT when you outplay them and start winning they DC because their plan didn’t work.
I'm so glad that rage quitters will get permanently banned. Yeah, Bandai is about The Purge half of the Sparking Zero community, and i can't wait. I'm sick of bum ass rage quitters.
I don't get why they don't just put same health and stats to every character. Makes no sense having around 15 characters over 180 that have more health and deal more damage (and are also faster).
*Just reduce the meter gain for these damn skill moves, something so simple will change this game DRASTICALLY! And to add icing to the cake bring back ki sickness and watch how a lot of people get exposed in this game not being able to abuse their precious skill moves the entire match anymore….Can’t fault people for wanting to use the new strong characters heck I wanted to use UI Goku and was hype Ssj4 Gogeta returned but the negative stigma they have now is crazy but just toned down these damn skill gauge meters things will become so much better in the play of this game*
I would make the amount of points you gain and lose depend on the difference of DP between the two characters. Here’s an example of someone playing SSJ4 Gogeta and you are playing Radditz. If SSJ4 Gogeta beats you as Radditz, then you barely lose points, and they barely gain points. If you beat SSJ4 Gogeta as Radditz, then you get a lot of points, and they lose a lot of points. This way I feel like this actually provides incentive to use weaker characters without changing the characters or adding modes at all. Changing OP skills is a different topic, here.
For me, the game is enjoyable but ranked is ehh. I’ve seen multiple people say it : B3-B1 is where a lot of decent players are, but theyre not using like the top characters and are hitting a wall because if you’re not using a top or high tier, you can’t afford to make a single mistake, while they have 4+ health bars and do like a full bar of damage with just rush strings. Its an uphill battle, which I don’t mind but Nothing about my experience in A ranks and fighting S ranks has been about knowing how to play, players here find a cheesey tactic and do it until it works, because it works, but because they arent actually good at movement, offense or defense, and kinda use wildsense, AIS, and perception as crutches, if you know how to deal with that, their gameplan falls apart and they plug. I got plugged on by 4 Z- Broly’s in A rank almost in a row. I would lose the first round, clean house round two and they’d plug and its like, is this ever going to be seriously addressed.
I think characters that have unblockable ults should not have an instant sparking skill. Either that or make their ults much easier to dodge or just something else to make it a little more fair. Maybe with the exception of Beerus since he’s a GoD? But it just seems a little too much rn. A fair replacement would be the ‘full power’ skill that fills ki but doesn’t go all the way to instant sparking. Yeah there’d be more ki spamming, maybe but the point of the ki spam is to force the enemy to block and then kite around to shoot out their unblockable ult which they wont have. Also yeah, if they changed after-image strike to be more like 5 auto dodges over 15seconds or maybe it dodges automatically for just 5 seconds instead of 15 it’d be more engaging.
Complaining about people that ragequit bc there is no surrender button and they dont want to deal with broken game mechanics is the same as complaining about yourself for shooting yourself in the foot. Right now banning people willl just kill the game, add balance, fix broken mechanics and then its ok to ban ragequitters.
I'm the original you had either 15 seconds or a looked amount of uses. In tenkaichi 3 you used to be able to burn out the afterimage strike with a super explosive wave.
I wish they just added DP Brackets. Like 1-3 do brack 4-7 dp bracket, 8-10 dp bracket. So that the weaker characters have a chance to play and it get destroyed. Like I want to play Roshi but I will face Super Vegito and be at a mega disadvantage
Perma banning people is definitely not the way to go. Let’s not forget that disconnecting is about the only counter play some people have against the cheesers. Are we gonna say that the people that dc from matches from these cheesers should really be perma banned?? I know most of you in this comment section that are dealing with this along with me would not like the only option to be to sit here and waste time on cheesers that don’t deserve the win. I know we’re mad but can we please not do that? I would hate to see what this game would be like if we banned the people that just don’t want to deal with this every game. Make disconnecting lower their rank. It doesn’t give cheesers a win but still desensitizes people from leaving in a meaningful way.
@Jb-tt6to I get it he's irritating but just keep up the pressure and z countering him is easy asf and I suck at z countering. And since he needs four ki bars for his unblockable rush attack pressure forces him to use ki and skill points for defense. This also eliminates instant sparking mode. I consider it a win every time the camera panders over and shows z Broly. I rarely transform with base super Goku when I face him at this point. I only put my controller down against super Vegito because fk that guy😁
If they don't want to balance out these ridiculous moves let me atleast filter who I wanna fight I just wanna throw hands not play defence for 15 seconds
Ok but we can’t be mad people use the best characters lol. Why wouldn’t they? I don’t personally but I get it. I’d like to see them add a singles 6 DP mode so people can play low DP without running into high DP
Like you said there should be a lower scale singles mode so you can play a low power character and not only have fusions and broly to play against lol no one wanted to only play the same characters constantly 😅
@ maybe with an option to have transformations on or off. That way people can’t spam kefla and just use base forms if they want. Only problem I see with more game modes is the smaller player base and matchmaking time issues… games can already take a bit to find sometimes
I’ve disconnected against nearly every character here, I play adult gohan I know where I stand but I bought a game to have fun not get internet value points
People play singles? isn’t dp the way the game is meant to be played? Thats how they compromise having a broken roster like the old games while still making competitive play possible. Thats where you get rewarded for using weaker characters
My problem is that i really like Broly and Gogeta and i play them but no matter how much ilike them i will always be to others that "dude only play op char"
Statwise he's just Beerus but with mechanics from UI Goku, if you think that's bad then I guess it is. So few people play Whis that there's not going to be a bunch of people calling for him to be made unplayable.
The problem with DP battle is that everything takes so much longer. If somebody is a rage quitter you have to spend nearly five minutes to find out and that's just mentally exhausting.
