The Ollathair and his connection to fertility and the Proto-Indo-European god Dyeus, god of the daylight sky. / fortressoflugh / fortressoflugh www.fortressof... / medievalmicronation
I've always found Dyeus Pater, and now Dagda, to be a figure which resonates with me for some reason, there's something primordial, celestial and just about this deity. It's interesting to note, in the Germanic pantheon, the god Tyr, known then as the Proto-Germanic Tiwaz, was once the chief sky deity of the Teutonic branch of Europeans, before the role shifted to Odin. Tiwaz (Tiw, Tyr) was noted to be another perspective of Dyeus Pater, and by an extension, Dagda, Jupiter, Zeus, Dievs, Deiwos. Funny enough, the Latin "Deus", "god", is tied to Dyeus Pater, although there is a ton of hostility from monotheism, it's ironic that, unknowing, they still, in Latin rites, like Catholicism, still utter the All Father's name. It's also amazing to think, thousands upon thousands of years ago, all of the Proto-Indo-European people, our ancestors, had a strong relationship of kinship and respect with the Proto-Indo-European gods, like a loving family, then branching into cousin branches, amazing. It's too bad the spirit of our people seems sullied in modernity, like an inauthentic power struggle of slavery to unhealthy theology and philosophy, leading to misery. The sad aspect is, the current mainstream Western Abrahamic faiths, in my opinion, will only stymie the mental, spiritual, communal, individual and physical health of our people, as it instills a negative self image and spirituality motivated by fear.
The nature of these types of deities, as manifested in non-state religions, is that they are not a bearded man in the sky with a lightening bolt, but the luminous sky. I find this both powerful and resonating. If you haven't read Michael Witzel, I think you would enjoy his work.
The Ukrainian god Dazhď-Boh (namely Dagda-God) is the god of rain, the giving god and the Forefather of the Ukrainian people. We preserve ancient carrols where Dazhď-Boh is mentioned. In the Southern Slavics the same god Da-Boh is the first king on the Earth who established the law. I think Dagda came from very ancient times of the first Indo-Europeans.
As far as I'm aware celts were one of the earliest post indo europeans to dominate mainland Europe and obviously the British Isles. Its atleast 3000 years old
Very interesting video, and informative. Heres a question; what would be the significance in this case of the Dagda's club that kills with one end and revives with another? Ive always thought it similar to the club of Perkwunos and its permutations like Mjolnir as a representation of the thunderbolt and celestial power, but you have laid out a good case for why the Dagda should not be thought of as Perkwunos.
Evan M Dagda shouldn’t be thought of as Perkwunos because Perkwunos is a storm deity, not associated with kingship, but instead lighting, and is considered an active fighting god like Lugh, in Gaul Taranis is the continuation of Perkwunos, depicted with a lightning spear in one hand and a wheel in the other, often riding on a horse while killing a demon... while on the other hand in Gaul Sucellos is synonymous with Dagda, not only meaning “good striker” similar to Dagda’s “good god” but also similar in the sense that he has an Olla and a mallet like Dagda has a Cauldron and a club
@@celtofcanaanesurix2245 Thanks for the reply I see that the Dagda clearly isnt as active as Lugh, but he seems similarly disposed to fighting, and his club is the clearest reflex of Perkwunos' striking weapon as there is in Irish myth. I'm open to other interpretations of the weapon's significance, but it seems almost certainly to be an expression of the thunderbolt.
Evan M well there’s also the fact that you have to remember that overtime certain attributes and characteristics of certain gods sometimes gets mixed with others, like for example the association with lightning was taken away from Heracles and given to Zeus in the Greek tradition despite Heracles being a clear derivative of Perkwunos. Or for instance in the insular Celtic tradition Lugh taking the lightning a tribute from Taranis/Loucetios the much diminished form of Perkwunos that only appears in cameos in the later insular stories despite being prominent in the early religion at least in the continent.
Well, most major Celtic Gods are known tae have the ability of wielding lightning as a weapon, the Dagda included. His club, I think, represents the cycle of life and death, one half takes away life, the other half creates life. Caesar claimed Gauls believed we were created by an underworld god know as dis pater, which is likely the Dagda.
Since I am somewhat of a feminist Pagan, it was always hard for me to adopt a male deity to worship, especially an omnipotent one, but I feel like Dagda is the least toxic, yet strong and dominating, male God figure. He's strong, wise, and kind, and relates to humans, especially poor humans. He kind of reminds me of a loving father that pushes me into my strengths. I can see him as a God of the earth and sky and high magick. He isn't threatening, like Odin, Zeus, or the Christian God.
Taranis will be dealt with fairly soon. He appears to be a demiurge figure who is the father of the variously called "gods of Danu" who Lug kills, thus tying the identity of Lug back into the framework of the story of Indra, as I hint at in other videos. The thunder is associated with the hammering and forging and altars to Taranis often have a wheel and a hammer on them. In Vedic myth, Indra slays the cloud demon Vritra who is the son of Tvastar the divine architect and forger of all the weapons of the gods, and the goddess Danu. The children of Danu are referred to as the Daniva, and ultimately considered demons, though not all are bad. Danu is identified in the 3d redaction of the Lebor Gaballa Erenn as being the mother of Brian, Iuchar and Iucharba, which give their name to the Dannan tribe. Elsewhere it also says that the Dagda and Lug fought against Delbaeth (Taranis) in the 2nd battle of Maigh Tuireadh. He is set up as the opponent and cousin of Lug, but in the fitness of names is also said to have been called Lugaid at first, hinting at their similarity. This is likely due with one being a daytime lightning god and the other being a nighttime lightning god. See Summanus in the Roman tradition for a direct example of this dynamic. Summanus is also represented with a wheel.
Fortress of Lugh Interesting. Thank you. Heh, little sinister, “Taranis will be dealt with soon enough”. Ha! But then again, as you hint in a different comment, we should expect nothing less than a sinister tone, for that is what you suggest is associated with Taranis himself...
As one of An Dagda's name Aed connected with Fire wisdom knowledge magic Druidry is he related to the Vedic Agni or a Sacrificial Priest of the god's or would that be more resonate with Brigid?
An Dagda Club or Hammer equivalent to Thor's hammer or club can you wear a hammer to represent An Dagda? Or Sucellos? Possible Thunder god? Like you have other Thunder Deities that have a hammer or axe symbol Thor , Perun Ukko,
No idea, but from all my interactions with secondary sources so far, I tend to lean towards it not being great. One of the best people I have come across is actually Nikolai Tolstoy. He has a book on Merlin and Stonehenge thought it largely deals with Celtic myth and the identity of Nuada and Lug. I don't agree with all his conclusions but he has a more sensible approach than most which is based on actual evidence rather than stuff simply pulled out of the air. Maybe this Phillip Freeman is great, but I just don't have faith in most of these popular writers on the topic
Fortress of Lugh The common side effect of the modern way that scientists and researchers of all kinds tend to discard the evidence of the past, and consider our ancestors to be stupid even though they had much more experience on the subject at hand than they themselves posses...
