The Dangers of Chasing Perfection when polishing out swirls 

wise words yer.. these % are never accurate. on old cars as well with generations of swirls you cant get anywhere near perfect can you.. but still looks cool.

@@ForensicDetailing When my family/friends get their car it is a night and day difference, it is mostly because they never maintained the paint well. So, when they get it, the remaining defects are overlooked, because they never had their car in that condition.

Phew. Yesterday I made paint correction on my bonnet, inspected twice, put TW ceramic spray coating, and just before I left garage, I found couple of SWIRLS!! Now I'm thinking if I have to go and polish it.

Forensic Detailing Channel my thinking is that if I can't get the swirls out at least make them shinny. 😁

thanks mate Ive not done much on glass coatings Im not a massive fan of them.

Dude same situation, what pads to use? How many to use? Which brand, how to clean them and prime them? Lot of crap to learn and spend

I was in the same boat as you guys until I eventually I bought a 5" draper da polisher for £60 on eBay and I'm very impressed with it. It has a 5 metre cable and comes with 1 cutting pad (I haven't used that pad). I also bought meguiars products, ultimate compound, polish, liquid wax, 2 microfibre cutting pads and 2 microfibre polishing pads. I clay barred using bilt hamber clay. I was impressed with the results don't get me wrong my paint isn't 100% perfect but I reacon 80% better than it was.

@@Nintendude2013 you can clean the pads in the washing machine 👍

@@honestreview1043 i gotta get my hand on a polisher and get to practice. Maybe a soft pad with a not so abrasive polisher to start with? Not sure.

@@FabioSilva-kq9fm the meguiars microfibre pads are safe. Meguiars ultimate compound is clear coat safe it's not aggresive but gives great results. There's videos of the products on youtube.

Thats why you get a chick with a phat behind.

I learned how to polish a car initially from watching someone in a body shop do exactly what you describe. He had his rotary, and an apron on and in the pocket of the apron a trigger sprayer with water in it. he would tilt the rotary in the paint he would mist the pad and work the rotary at an angle and move the machine slowly over the panel. When the compound dried up he with loosen it with water. before watching him I use to decimate panels without having a single clue what I was doing. However, most modern abrasives now dont "take" water. You will disrupt them if you try and add water and stop them from working properly. Also now the DAT technology has moved on. You dont want to heat the paint up. Buffer tails wont always appear instantly. polishing also packs the paint out with the oils and glycols in the compound and masks holograms and machine marring, that you will see come out in future washes when the car soap breaks down the oils and all the oils that are packed into the structure of the paint flush out the paintwork contracts (*credit yvan lacroix) and shows the fine marring (aka buffer trails). this is the reasons lots of cars go out looking half good only for buffer trails to appear later on, and its the reason 99% of dealership forcourt cars are plastered in buffer trails. the guy installing them cant see them at the time of polishing. I know most of the bodyshops in my area. I respect what they do massivly they know how to lay out paint and they have skills I dont have. But they cant polish paint (or finishing it out to a high standard).. NONE of them. even the guys that did an amazing job recently on my car, 80% of the car has been mopped out well but under the light and after that first wash I find buffer trails and sanding marks. down one entire side and rear quarter and bootlid. he started rushing I think and also from not cleaning out the pad you introduce more heat from old spent dry polish. so it started good and got bad I can see exactly what happened. Heres my opinion. If you cut paint with a rotary. basically you HAVE to finish it out (there are exceptions to this) but generally speaking that rule applies. body shops do not understand this. Its much easier to finish out paint on a DA really. rotary as well as buffer trails, tends to sling a lot more and the chances of making mess go up. specially misting water onto loosen compound that would create sling badly (its one of the reasons I moved to using DA's because I made a mess). I got into polishing from getting a better price from paint shops for un'mopped panels I had refinished because I used to do project collision repair (copart, motorhog, hbc etc you know the game, this was back when it was good and you could get proper bargains, nowadays salvage auctions are ruined by idiots paying stupid money)

Good approach. There is a simple fact that we can't escape from, anyone or anything that touches the car will cause damage. The game is reducing that as much as possible. I think your approach is spot on for age of vehicle especially if its worthwhile or special to you.

@@GarageTherapyOfficial Thank you, this car is the first that that I purchased on my own and my goal is to keep it in as good of shape as fiscally possible, considering I have recently returned to university to finish my degree. I will also say that the car still looks loads better than 99% of the vehicles on the road.

@@collinhopper7542 Keep it up mate. It beggars belief how most people treat cars in this country. I watched Jon say that people are crazy about cars in the UK when he was over in the States. That's certainly not the case at least not here in Yorkshire.

@@JWL-UK Here in the states, a vehicle is the second or third most expensive item that a person will buy. Why people treat their vehicles so poorly is beyond my comprehension. Why would I neglect the one thing that gets me to and from work most effectively?

@@collinhopper7542 I totally relate, I learned about caring for cars with my dad growing up in Brazil where people's approach to cars is the same as in the States. Moved to the UK over 10 years ago and it's hard to find people who even wash their cars regularly... 😉

its not hard your right Mas. I think its like plastering a wall though, if you try it with no idea things will go wrong.. if someone tells you a good starting method that can get you half decent results and you are up and running and learning. I think after about 10-20 cars you will have good understand of it and things which can go wrong. I love doing it sometimes. I find it really relaxing

404 not found most cars these days have 0.12 mm of paint. Including primer, paint and clear.

yer this is an old one.

DA works great. I have turned a spidery webbed scratched up car into a sheet of glass deep jeweled finish.

Body work polishing is a bit of a different category than paint correction, I can totally see why you wouldn't like dual action machines. You guys just want to get the sanding scratches out and move on. 👍👌✌

yes mate. I use a DT-156 Its handy for sure. the beemer had like 125-135 microns IIRC. so in june I will just plan to do a really light polish again on the m140. and no real cutting or maybe the odd bit here and there. I noticed a patch of fine swirls in one area the other day.

Check out Bilt Hamber products

Oooo mate we done lots of videos on this. but something like a DAs6 pro you cant go wrong with.. Cheap chinese 8 mm DA polisher with minumum 850W motor. pay 100quid max.

Cheers John

Hey there... So dont use P1.01 if you are going to coat it. It contains waxes and active ingredients that are left behind. You want bare surface really for ceramic (or ceramic primer polish). So M2.01, panel wipe and coat. If M2.01 doesnt get the swirls you can step to F6.

@@ForensicDetailing Are you sure at their website they say P2.02, P3.01 contains caranuba wax, but they dont say for the P2.01/P2.01/P1.01

@@niacinbiotin s I believe if it has a P on the front it contains polish and small amount of wax. The product descriptions for P2 and P3 in the UK state this. Product description for P1 does not mention Wax but if you look in the SDS for it (koch list all SDS on their site) it says it contains Wax. If it started with M F or H its just fine medium or high cut compound. But please check this with KOCH they get payed to provide support for their products.

@@ForensicDetailing Thank you very much. Fast response, great content... What can I say, keep up the good work :))

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yer I have a DT-156 now.. It is handy for sure.

Was shot last summer. Was thinking the same myself.

yer sure. you can minimise swirls a lot but you cant stop them can you.. your dead right.

I blagged this on a flex and scholl open day at UK detailing a while back. Im not sure if you can buy them. I dont think you can.

@@ForensicDetailing yeah that'll be right. I'll have to bug my national rep for one! Haha thanks for the reply!

ripping question. sometimes in my opinion the likely hood of machine induced maring is increased with rotary, yes low speeds and soft foam pads can mitigate this but they may comparmise your cut with a single stage. most times a rotary can be fine for a single stage if you find the right pad and product combo.. but with some soft paints a DA might just be less hassle. short answer is yes though.

Forensic Detailing Channel great answer Jon. Thanks!

june i think. this is old video.

theres a lot of variable isnt there john.. some paints have 50 microns of clearcoat some have 10. you have different polishing machines different pads different liquid abrasives, pressure, machine speeed arm speed to name a few mate.

Forensic Detailing Channel agreed I think ford paint is fairly thin from what I’m told.

try the new flex purples for cutting (slims or county).. expensive but you will be impressed.. if they dont impress you try the new Koch pads (red.yellow.pruple see slims)

@@ForensicDetailing cheers. Just been reading reviews on the Flex pads

was it a 5 door? if so the front doors are smaller than a 3 door, there is also a comfort entry button that auto winds the window half way down when opening the door

ace walsall yeah it is a 5 door, what difference does opening the window make?

yer its a pretty small car. Im pretty big though and I can get in alright.. I dont notice any difference with the m140 and the golf though really.

@@gillywash1487 hard to explain without visuals, but a 3 door has pillar-less front doors as opposed to a 5 door, so when the window is down it gives you a bit more swing/lean in access, i'm trying to find a video which explains it better than i can here.

Forensic Detailing Channel I had a mk6 5 door golf for a while and can’t remember it being as cramped, perhaps I’m a weird shape and it just doesn’t fit me. Also it’s been given to me filthy inside and out 🤢 that doesn’t make me feel comfortable in it either I guess, I only have it a week but am going to have to give it a quick wash in the morning. Probably just snow foam and blast the outside and hoover and wipe around the cockpit at the very least... bringing out any old dodgy budget products I have not wasting my good stuff lol

i leave them Tim.. rather than spending like 50 quid on a kit and countless hours messing around.. you will constantly get stone chips I think its just better to have the front bumper and bonnet repainted every 5 years. I will do a video on touch ups, not everyone agrees

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Every one of us who is subscriber to this channel or who is any kind of detailer have different level of OCD 😁😁 most of us knows about it and happily accepts it.

the clue is the layout of of the garage. This video was shot when I did the paintwork correction on my car back in june.

LOUi TUBE no matter how u try .. it will get swirled and scratched ... you get scratches just bu driving your car on the motorway from the pressure of air pushing dust particles and dragging them across your car.

LOUi TUBE keyword you said: “to an extent” and after a long period of that “to an extent” swirling; your car will be swirled again 😀

LOUi TUBE oh dear .. please chill, lol.

LOUi TUBE i said after a long period ...

Chris Downing. Yes, they’re claw scratches. Either a dog or possibly a fox. I had that problem with a fox that wanted to sleep on top of my cabriolet roof. It’s why I now cover and garage my weekend toy.