The dangers of MIDI FeedBack - THRU and Local control

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The dangers of MIDI FeedBack - THRU and Local control
MIDI is a solid protocol but it still can create havoc if left untamed. MIDI THRU in its virtual form (SOFT THRU of THRU to OUT or else...) can create MIDI feedback that will stop your MIDI device from working. Not breaking it. Just rending the playback unusable. Also What is MIDI Local Control for?
00:00 intro
00:57 Basics intro to MIDI
03:00 5 PIN DIN MIDI connectors
03:30 2 in 1 - controller + sound generator
06:03 Local control
07:36 MIDI Soft THRU
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Комментарии : 67

@MikkelGrumBovin 3 года назад

Thanx - allways good to be reminded ! Im up to 8 sometimes 9 units on one clock stream , and this exact problem rode me as a mare for years - finally bit the bullit , got a midi splitter a midi merger and a 1 in 5 out Kenton unit - it helped but theres STILL sheenanigans going on somewhere , and im on a point where a seperat midiclock device is the only sollution left ,-

@LoredLegend Месяц назад

It’s not often that I find a solution to synth issues on my initial search. Thank you

@Nu-trix Месяц назад

Happy to help!

@edgi55 3 года назад

Wow! This just happened to me a few days ago, was driving me nuts lol. Thanks so much Nu-Trix for taking the time to make this very informative video. All the best

@DaneXbsinthe 3 года назад

One tip for daisy chaining is to put your drums first in the chain, then bass, then pads. I also tend to keep lead parts off a chain, and played live.

@akumusik3582 Год назад

Thanks! Gratitude & Appreciation 💯

@kentaccordionist Месяц назад

My thru box can switch 3 inputs to any of 10 outputs. I remember when I first got into midi in the late 1980s creating a midi loop on a few occasions before I knew fully what I was doing. Back then thru boxes had a button that when pressed could send an all notes reset message to stop a midi feedback loop that otherwise would repeat indefinitely until you powered down your synthesiser.

@JH-lo9ut 3 года назад

Thank you, this will be important knowledge at some point I’m sure.

@mickcj2001 3 года назад

Great video, very helpful.

@80sman80 3 года назад

Enjoyed this...thanks....

@dkba52 9 месяцев назад

very timely information. thank you.

@g3cd 5 месяцев назад

This video actually helped. I was aware of the local control off function but had it turned on as I didn't hear any beats from my drum synth when hitting it. Turned out I had the channel muted in my sequencer and once I activated it, I also got sound, with local control off (with the MIDI signal sent to the sequencer, then back to the drum synth and then it played).

@noleveljkovic9573 Год назад

Well Explaine. Thank You.

@wiggesobk 3 года назад

Very helpful!

@mr.renflow3693 2 года назад

Thankx a Perfect Video - my Problem is away

@dyscotopia Год назад

Thank you for this. With my current setup I've been getting midi recordings that are jam packed with a bunch of garbage signals. I just changed the cascade order and initially got some unusual annoying audio blips (clock signal), but after a minute or two everything responded to my controller as expected. So a tip worth trying is changing the order of how your devices are connected. In fact my behringer had an instruction to not have it last in the chain. Also check your software for modern synths using midi USB to see what is being sent and received and turn off whatever isn't needed

@izzzzzz6 5 месяцев назад

Great tip and some more good tips in the comments.

@frankramrath8433 3 года назад

Thanks 4 your time to explain it. I know a lot about it, but it's useful every time. I switched from a iConnectivity Midi 4+ to a simple solution of 2 Keysteps and a Electribe 2s at a Midi Merger and then outgoing over 2 x midi thru boxes to the synths. So it's not so flexible, but easier to handle my 6 small synths and the ipad. And the ipad is at a iconnectivity audio 4+. So i can add it to the chain. And if i make no patch errors - no loopbacks ;-) And i could make some funny patches between the Synths if i want.

@1eidji652 2 года назад

why ? iConnectivity is not good ?

@enelaoszafetas9300 2 года назад

Thank you for the exceptional videos!!Subscribed straight away. I have a question if you may. I see you have the microfreak. I midi sync my mc 101 to the rc 505 looper and then midi to microfreak. Is there a setting at the microfreak that when i change the presets and a sequence is loaded, that sequence is not being played??I cant seem to find it..i have the 101 as main instrument and add with a mixer the handpan and occasionally the microfreak. Ony thing is that when im scrolling the presets, when there is a sequence it is being played and i dont really want to erase them, some are really nice. I also tried to midi the freak to the triple delay from tc electronic but i dont think the delay picks up the tempo, i have to tap tempo it soomehow...just ordered that hub though......Thank you !!!

@Nu-trix 2 года назад

I don’t think you can play the MicroFreak on a patch that has a sequence without playing the sequence. You will have to deactivate it.

@guitarazzo 2 года назад

Thanx for posting the video, i have a question: Is it possible when i connect midi in from my keyboard to out on my daw 1 , the out from keyboard to the in from my daw 1 , to use the thru from my keyboard and connect it to the midi in from another daw 2 ? in other words, can i use 1 keyboard to send midi to 2 daws ?

@MusicFed 2 года назад

Great video thanks. Why oh why they put soft thru ON by default it drives me nuts

@perrypelican9476 3 года назад

One way is to use a POWERED midi thru box. I use one made by Amptone. It's great so far. I used to have problems due to not enough power when I used an ordinary non-powered box. One idea if you need more than 4 outs is to connect a quadra to each of the midi outs of the Amptone so you end up with 3 extra midi outs for each connected quadra. The idea is to have all your synths or sound modules always connected. If you always use the same midi channel for each sound module then there is no confusion. I hope you don't get a headache from my bad explanation.

@Nu-trix 3 года назад

It's all good. I'm using a MOTU MIDI express

@Mechaman365 4 месяца назад

Hey, I would love to have your opinion/advice, I'm having a problem as I need to connect a midi footswitch to change the preset on a synth module but also need to control it with a keyboard (it's only a module, it has no keys) and well... using a midi splitter in the midi in port doesn't work, it seems no synth will accept this setup in the midi in port, like some voltage issue, I have to end up unplugging one of the midi cables from the splitter to make either the controller or the footswitch work but not both, killing the purpose of the splitter, would this unit help? Or how do you solve this setup? Thank you very much

@mark-ze4en Год назад

is thunderbolt# or 4 the only connectivity that will provide low enough latency for midi controlling Virtual instruments from an external board? Does USB3 generally work efficiently for middi control? Usb 3.2?

@nonsugarfree 3 года назад

first of all you are a great speaker and explainer and you have a very wholesome voice. Second, do I still want to turn local control off if i'm using a midi interface and not any MIDI Thru's?

@nonsugarfree 3 года назад

also aren't you going to have latency issues with having MIDI Local Control off, where you're sending your key presses to your computer and they're sending them back out to the sound module?

@Nu-trix 3 года назад

The latency issue should be unnoticeable .

@Nu-trix 3 года назад

@@nonsugarfree You will need to turn the local control off if you don't want to hear the performance you are playing on your keys coming from the synth 9if you want to trigger another synth (VST for exemple).

@dkba52 9 месяцев назад

I have issues with being lazy i guess. I am trying to use Korg Kross2 for external hardware controller, and nektar LX49 for Studio One 6 DAW, plugin library. definitely getting some insane results that don't show up as midi data or audio files

@fanibacsi2918 3 года назад

now that was a great info. i have a specific question, becouse i have an exactly same problem. if my novation circuit get any midi clock signal from usb, after a few minutes get freezd. so i restart circuit with shift+power boot menu, and turned off everithing only let the midi clock in led on. and i got the same issues. so there is any possibilities to get rid off this problem with novation? thanks

@Nu-trix 3 года назад

You would have to find how to turn of MIDI clock out in the Circuit.

@slimpyman Год назад

So when local control is off on a synth with a keybed, how do I do a solo performance on that keybed?

@Nu-trix Год назад

You only use local control off when used with a DAW. The DSW is the MIDI routing manager. You then assign the MIDI going in the DAW to output to your synth.

@coyoteserranoband 2 года назад

Hey my loopmidi IAC in windows is not automating my tracks in Ableton. Had set it up, now its not working..... got any advice?

@Nu-trix 2 года назад

Sadly, I cannot. I’m on Mac.

@streamsandgalaxies 2 года назад

I'm having the strangest midi issues seemingly around the same time. Stuck and missed notes, only affecting 5-pin DIN connection. The devices with usb seem fine. I have some more recent midi controllers and devices and roland xp50 and yamaha motif rack. Wether connecting a controller to the motif or the xp50 to my firewire audio interface, same result. Tried switching cables, midi channels, clock set to auto or external. Will check the settings for midi through but how can devices of various ages fail around the same time?

@Nu-trix 2 года назад

Like you are saying, it seems weird that many devices are starting to fail at the same time. Is it a MIDI cable that is defect ? Is it the MIDI interface that is problematic? What changes did happen before the problem occurred ?

@domgenaro47 2 года назад

Hi there Nu Trix. Thanks fr the video. Maybe you can help me. I'm having this problem. The feedback is crazy from my new Dreadbox Typhon. The closes I found from what you said was on set up: "MIDI CHANNELS --> INPUT (1-16 or ALL); OUTPUT (1-16 or THROUGH). Output was on through so I setted "1". The feedback stoped imediately and I could hear my ne synth fr the first time. But as I went trought the presets, in a few minutes the feedback was back in full. I changed Output again, back to THROUGH and to 1, but could not get rid of the feedback no more. Frustrating... I tryed also changing the imputs. Nothing worked. It goes fine for several notes and then it starts and I can only stop it turning the synth off.

@Nu-trix 2 года назад

Sometime a MIDI feedback stop all reactions from a module. You have to turn off the device, unconnect it, change the wrong MIDI settings, reconnect and try again.

@Nu-trix 2 года назад

Why do you need to send MIDI from the Dreadbox MIDI Thru? Where is it going? What is plugged in the MIDI in of the Dreadbox?

@ohheyitskevinc Год назад

I got round this by buying a mioXL. Sadly after a year of ownership, I still have no idea how to set it up so I just do it all through the daw individually. Maybe one day.

@talkubani4945 2 года назад

Hi:) Question, when I press the midi keyboard(Yamaha ew410) in any key the note keeps playing like I keep on pressing the key and I don’t know why...(I use pro tools and kontakt) and the weird thing-while playing standalone kontakt it works fine, and while playing in pro tools with the mouse it works fine as well- only with the midi it get stuck on the same note like sustaining, maybe you know why?

@Nu-trix 2 года назад

I think you have some settings in ProTools that creates either the synth to always receive a note on or never receive a note OFF (or note ON of value 0)

@sullycliftona Год назад

Sound ? How can i get sepersate machines , playing into One sound Two outlets , and if i put four in im really in trouble

@Nu-trix Год назад

I’m not sure what you are describing .

@paulmoadibe9321 11 месяцев назад

we're now in July 2023 and still waiting for midi 2.0 ...

@Nu-trix 11 месяцев назад

Yep. But it’s coming. Apple and Microsoft have announced that ‘em they are working to integrate it in their OS. No time frame for now. But it’s coming.

@andrepascal4616 3 года назад

Thanx. But still can get rid of some problems. I am using a system-8. I am sending a midi clock from the DAW (Cubase). The thru functions on the system-8 are off. Sending the midi clock over midi overloads my midi interface. Although the thru functions are off, system-8 is still sending the midi clock out. Sending the midi clock over USB to the system-8, I get all kind of glitches in the sound caused by the fx section on the system-8 (in temp sync) that struggles with the midi clock. Any idea's?

@Nu-trix 3 года назад

Hi Andre, I cannot check for that at the moments (away from the studio) but the system-8 can probably send it’s own MIDI SYNC information from its step sequencer. Check how to turn it off.

@andrepascal4616 3 года назад

Right. After further investigations, I found out, that the jitter of the midi clock send from my DAW is because of midi by usb.

@1eidji652 2 года назад

@@andrepascal4616 jitter ?

@mattspazmatic Год назад

I'm a lil worried about the voltage warning with the rd9 I have on the way. None of my gear (deepmind 6, 707, og circuit, electribe 2) I can't find any info on these voltages of ny other equipment. Here's the warning, "Do not overload the ⅛-inch SYNC IN input. The input accepts a maximum incoming voltage of +15 V, and the SYNC OUT outputs should be connected to ⅛-inch inputs capable of receiving the +5 V output voltage. Overloading the RD-9 may result in damage to the unit and will require non-warranty repair." I realllllly can't afford to damage this thing. So, any help would be great!

@Nu-trix Год назад

If your use gate, cv or sync outputs you should ok.

@mattspazmatic Год назад

@@Nu-trix Thank you! You think my mc 707 would be fine via midi?

@Nu-trix Год назад

Sync out (CV) is not MIDI. It’s voltage. MIDI Sync uses a MIDI connection (USB, 5 PIN DIN, wireless). I think you are mixing up the two types of signals.

@mattspazmatic Год назад

@@Nu-trix Yes yes, I see the difference now, thank you!

@sullycliftona Год назад

Don’t use a computer yea .. agh. Clever me. Haah(( in all seriousness.. I’m still using cascade on midi cables by brain cell default (!’🐜) .. but yeh boutiques have a thru option I’ve noticed .. ok 👌 peace. Now send me midi box thing cheers .. 😊😊😊

@davidpinto1195 3 года назад

I would say the last 40 years

@Nu-trix 3 года назад

oups!

@johnkx2484 Год назад

Hi , please can you help me ? My thru from my Neutron doesn´t send signal to my midi in from my Novation Bass II. There is a cascate: midi out keystep to midi in model D, midi thru model D to midi in Neutron, midi thru Neutron to midi in Novation.

@atomikrobot8016 3 года назад

Hello, can I email you to discuss a little one on one time to discuss studio direction, midi routes, correct aux's and discussion regarding using Digitakt and Keystep Pro. I'm purchasing a 1 to 8 midi thru hopefully that's a good start.. Chat soon...!

@Nu-trix 3 года назад

Hi, I do 1 on 1 video consultation if you are interested. Write me at luc@nu-trix.com