@@reinebautistamercado4286 well said i was trying to tell him the same thing forever .. he need to train his tongue and mouth on pronouncing the words properly , he should also stop posting on RU-vid while he fix this issue
Strong is a name of the first men, so I think the blood of the first men supersedes the blood of old Valyria. We see that in Jon’s case too. That is my theory.
@@saljpal3 what about the children of aegon V targaryen and Betha blackwood? Or aegon IV and his blackwood mistress which produced bloodraven? There's only 4 targaryen first man relationships documented and these ones resulted in only targaryen feature children
The Baratheon’s as well! Robert, his brothers, and his ancestors leading up to his grandmother, which was a Targaryen, all had black hair. When Ned reads the book containing details about the past Baratheon men, he sees that all of them have black hair except for Joffrey.
Black hair and purple eyes like Rhaenys and Bittersteel looks awesome. Although default Targaryen looks and the ones that don't look like Targaryens are still pretty cool.
There's one thing about the blood of the dragon you don't have to look the part Just need to have the merits to have it Mean that blood can be thicker than water appearance is one thing but the bond is still there you have to marry a non drag rider again and then the blood would be lost
Laenor Velaryon was 1/4 Targeryen like Stannis and was able to claim a dragom, he only had the Targeryen look because the Velaryons had the blood of old Valyria but they weren't dragon riders.
Stannis was 1/8 Targaryen, because Rhaelle (her grandma) was just Half-Targaryen, since her mother was Betha Blackwood. In reality is less than that, because Aegon V, Rhaelle's father, was also Half-Targaryen (his mother being Dyanna Dayne), and Maekar, Aegons father, was also Half-Targaryen through his mother (Myria Martell). Laenor's mother is half Targaryen, and we dont know if Alyssa Velaryons, Laenor's great-grandmother had some Targaryen in her as well.
Valeryon and Targaryens have the same look. Pale skin, purple eyes and silver hair. Both came from the same land. Now a days there is a quota for African ancestry in every movie/series no matter how irrelevant it is. That's why they are shown incorrectly in HOTD as compared to the books.
@@thegeopoliticalanalyst1660 they’re not shown ‘incorrectly’ whatever that means. When you’re adapting something for screen you have to make changes and cuts.
the real nemesis of the targaryen dynasty is a good looking brunet to ruin it all 1) Rhaenyra falls for harwin = the dance of the dragons 2) Rhaegar falls for lyanna = the downfall of the targaryen dynasty
In the show, Daenerys marries a tall, large handsome brunet barbarian = starts up the conquest of a large part of the continent and slaughters many enemies. Fell in love for a handsome, mysterious brunet mercenary = starts up the Slave Wars. Fell in love for Jon Snow = starts up the massacre of many Westerosi, attempts global takeover, gets deleted by Jon in order to save the world from her maddening authoritarian vendetta-seeking wrath against humankind and thus ends the reign of the Targaryen.
@@ptolemeeselenion1542 again she would have freed the slaves regardless of daario or not. In fact she had already freed astapor when she met him, and was trying to free yunkai. Furthermore in the books, all the tyroshi INCLUDING DAARIO dye their hair, so its unclear if he's naturally brown haired or not.
I'm fairly convinced the baratheon look is actually the durrandon look. Remember that in the books, orys was described as having black hair and eyes while all contemporary baratheons have black hair with a specific texture and deep blue eyes. I think this became the baratheon look after orys married the daughter of the last storm King, her genes are actually the dominant one which makes sense since they are said to be descended from the storm gods
Not all Baratheons had blue or even black eyes. As it's said, Rhaenys had purple eyes and her children and grandchildren in the books all looked Targaryen. Of course, the Targaryen blood may have been stronger while the rest of House Baratheon were more dominant between the Baratheon blood and the Durrandon blood. The only time the Targaryen blood wasn't stronger was in Rhaelle and her son and grandsons.
@@jedimasters1462 thats because rhaenys is not a baratheon, her mom was. rhaenys is a targaryen and got the purple hair from her dads side, so her children are targaryen looking.
So, i have a theory on my mind for a few weeks now that i dont know if i read somewhere or i came up with it myself. Here it goes: There were a lot of dragons in Valyria, right? They were controlled by the 40 families. What determined them to be more powerful? Could have been dark magic or just dragons. If there was a very powerful family with huge dragons, surely somebody could have tamed them somehow and took power which is not good(they guarded their dragons surely, but if they get pass them or kill the guards). They bonded to their dragons by blood. My theory at last is that if you were Targaryen you could only tame with Targaryen dragons cuz your blood was connected, you couldnt bond with any other dragon just cuz you had valyrian blood. Thats why they practiced inbreeding so no other family gets access to their dragons that are bonded to their blood. Am i insane? Is that general knowledge that i pass as a theory?
that makes more sense ig but how old is this civilization and how can a single bloodline/a dynasty survive that long on incest alone? its biologically impossible
@@alicequinn290 Youre totally right, it is impossible :)) But again there are many fantastical concepts at play we don't understand. For example, some Targaryen stillborns came out the womb with WINGS.
For Targaryens with dark hair there was also Prince Duncan the small and Valarr Targaryen (son of Prince Baelor Breakspear). Maybe also Valarr's younger brother Matarys but I don't think we have a description of him
Viserys is a targaryen and Alicent is a hightower but all three of their children Aegon, Aemond and Halaena have full targaryen look and specialities 💯💯
I think the Hightowers usually have very blonde hair and blue eyes which similar to the Targaryens so we can assume with the Hightower and Targaryen genes, Alicent's children had silver hair.
Actually, it is hinted that the first Hightowers predate all of them: "The reasons for the abandonment of the fortress and the fate of its builders, whoever they might have been, are likewise lost to us, but at some point we know that Battle Isle and its great stronghold came into the possession of the ancestors of House Hightower. Were they First Men, as most scholars believe today? Or did they mayhaps descend from the seafarers and traders who had settled at the top of Whispering Sound in earlier epochs, the men who came before the First Men? We cannot know." - from The World of Ice & Fire
Weird. I was thinking of this exact same subject when driving to work today. Baelor Breakspear popped into my head for some reason and I started to wonder about the Targaryens (minus their many bastards) who didn't look like the _typical_ Targaryens. Get out of my head please.
Book Jon Snow would furiously run to King's Landing and take the throne the second he learned about being Rhaegar's son, so i hate the ''i dun wantit'' so much
@@gnomeimporta6912 Well, if George can come up with the Young Griff plot, he sure as hell could make stuff to give Jon a valid claim, and besides, my point is: Book Jon Snow is honorable, but ambitious, very ambitious, and is quite the good politician. The only reason he didn't accept being legitimazed by Stannis was because he believes that Winterfell belongs to Sansa, but the throne? I can see him making use of his royalty status.
Its interesting that Robert had such Vitriol towards the Targs, yet his Grandma and his entire line descended from them. Then again, when we look at the story of Maegor and his Brothers, the Dance of the Dragons, and especially the Blackfyres (and how many feuds there were in that)....maybe a Targ's worst enemy is himself.
I always thought it was weird that Quentyn was roasted alive trying to tame a dragon yet Brown Ben Plumm (who also has Targaryen blood) got along pretty well with the dragons. Even Daenerys thought Ben Plumm having some semblance of Targaryen blood was the cause, yet Quentyn was completely rejected despite his ancestor being closer in proximity to him than Ben. Maybe it’s because he attempted to TAME one instead of just hanging out near one? Idk…
Only four characters have heterochromia of the eyes: Alyssa Targaryen (green & purple), Shiera Seastar (blue & green), Tyrion (green & black) and Euron (blue & black)(possibly not true heterochromia but rather hyphema). On the topic of heterochromia, if I recall correctly only three characters have it for hair: Elaena Targaryen (platinum white & gold), Tyrion (pale blonde & black), and Gerold Dayne (silver & black)
If people knew about genes that time, it would have been easier to accept the Strong boys as Laenor's sons. Why? Rhaenys is half-Baratheon and the blood is strong.
You forgot Duncan the Small, son of Aegon V. Another two you could have included but might be subject to change is Valarr and Matarys, Baelor Breakspear’s two sons, who apparently had black/sandy brown hair.
Can we guarantee that Quentin didn’t have enough Targaryen blood to tame a dragon? The dragons are presumably already bonded to Daenerys and no dragon has ever been bonded to more than one person at a time.
Maybe Quentyn Martell didn’t fail to claim a dragon because he didn’t have enough Targaryen blood. Even when the Targaryens were dragon riders, dragons didn’t just accept anyone as their riders. That’s why Aemond and Rhaena went so long without dragons, and Alyn Velaryon failed to claim Sheepstealer, despite the fact that his brother Addam was able to claim Seasmoke. Maybe Viserion and Rhaegal just weren’t the right dragons for Quentyn.
Princess Consort Jocelyn Targaryen (née Baratheon) is the 2nd dark-haired Targaryen I’m familiar with, after her Great-uncle Orys. She was Jaehaerys’ baby half-sister. This family inbreeds so much it’s hard to keep it all straight
we’re not entirely sure that that’s the case since it was brought up that she might’ve been a bastard child of Daemon because of how close he was with her. And her having neither the silver blonde or purple eyes tracks with past targaryen children like Baelor Breakspear and Jon Snow
Maybe tweak the settings on that mic? There's like no bass or something. You sound quiet. It sounds to me like the middle bar on the EQ is up way too high. Not ripping on ya, just tryn to help
Your videos are very good and well thought out, but your speaker is probably not good and ruins the listening experience, apart from that I really liked it
Actually, we don't really know if Rhaelle Targaryen had Valyrian features or not. She could have taken after her Mother Betha Blackwood, the way her brother Prince Duncan did.
Can someone tell me why tf they give rhaenyra braids like daenrys? The only reason daenrys has it was because she was with the dothraki... targaryen see braids for savages
Imagine future westeros would have access to DNA Testing then turns out Robert was Joffrey's father , the urge to slap Petyr Baelish is much of a Need than you want to 🤣😂
You forget Tyrion.. in the books, there’s a rumor the Mad King may have raped his mother. This would explain Dany’s dragons’ unusual accepting behavior of him.
Do they know in GOT universe that incest are making those dragon scale baby's and still born? I would assume that after so many years of having like 30% of the babies die before they are born, might have something to do with all that incest and how bad most of them turn out to be when grown up, i bet that comes from that incest as well.
maybe they do realise it's a problem, but they also believe their blood must stay pure in order to ride/ressurrect dragons, so for Targs all those stillbirths must be a price worth paying. Especially when you consider that regular children also died in huge numbers back then, so the fact that the Targ ones happened to have wings, etc. wouldn't have made a huge difference overall.
theres another theory that the targaryen pregnancy process is probably different as well 🤷🏽♀️ dont know how true it is but it is cool to think that targaryens are first dragons and blossom into humans in the womb, i mean dark magic right ? can explain all the heat resistance & dragon bonding . rhaenyra & dany went into early labor bc of their situations (danys womb was sacrificed by a witch early/mid in a pregnancy & rhaenyra gave premature birth because of stress caused by the greens . the dragon babies probably werent fully formed
@@mercurymaiden2391 That's actually what I was thinking. We never got to see or hear of other premature births so we don't know if they were also dragon like before birth.
Something I've wondered about. Is the Hightower gene weaker than Baratheon and Strong? Because from everything we know about the Hightowers this shouldn't be the cause. But the green Targaryens are perfect verbatims of the template. Don't get me wrong I love both shows but the Jon Snow explanation was so brief that it was nonsensical and the fact that the Hightower Targaryens had genetic plot armor and its a huge plot point is a slight bit contrived
It is very likely that Hightowers have significant Valyrian admixture. Some have suggested that Alicent is part Targaryen because a Targaryen princess, Saera disappeared in Oldtown and not long afterwards Alicent was born.
It’s possible. Their land is a trade and knowledge center. Moreover, Hightower women are known to be beautiful. Mormont married a Hightower. And isn’t Margaery’s mother a Hightower? As well as Oleana?
In reality if you reproduce with someone who has black hair the most likely outcome is black hair. Its the original hair color for humans. Lets just say George took a lot of liberties with his characters especially the Targs. Any family with as much incest as the Targaryens would have a bunch of miscarriages and sick babies (more than the show suggests). And the ones who survived would be not only retarded but butt ugly for the most part. If you see any royal family who descends from incest the surviving children look uggo af.
@Historia Dominus she walked into a funeral pyre. Her dudes body the lady tied to the stake, and all danys clothes burned and she remained with her dragons the next morning sitting in coals and covered in ash.
@Historia Dominus the dragons were still in the eggs when she entered the fire. After reading some other comments I think it had something to do with blood magic.
Her hair is black in the books, not brown, so yes, it was more believable in the books since the Baratheon's are dark haired. In the show, however, even if Rhaenys was given black hair it wouldn't help Jace, Luke or Joffrey.
Also notice how whenever there is a half targaryen the half targaryens never become king because they either die in battle/war or they end up dying from disease or other means. The one half targaryen that comes to mind is the one from the duncan and egg novel the half targaryen half dornish prince.
@@saljpal3 I mean, isn't the whole HOtD/Dance of the Dragons thingy about a woman who is accepted by quite a lot of noble houses as the rightful suitor of the Throne?
@@saljpal3 Well that's besides the point, there was a war going on so none of the people fighting for the throne remain on it for long...Because they all die lol
There is one dark haired Targaryen you forgot. Prince Duncan the Small. Eldest son of Aegon the 5th and Betha Blackwood. Named after Ser Duncan the tall. He got his dark hair from his blackwood mother. But none of his siblings got this.
@@gherve222 Unlike Rhaenyra's first 3 boys. Duncan the small is without a doubt a Targaryen. But he does eventually end up disinherited after he breaks his betrothal to the daughter of a Baratheon lord and marries a common girl named Jenny of Oldstones. And when given an ultimatum between keeping Jenny and being disinherited or annulling his marriage to her and remaining heir. Duncan chooses Jenny and gives up his inheritance.
I really think they should've given the Targaryens in HotD purple eyes. GoT Targaryens having gray or other colored-eyes can be explained since over the years, they practiced incest less and less by welcoming other families like the Martells
No, that’s not true. Blond hair is a recessive trait. Purple eyes isn’t. There are several examples of this in the books, where the blond hair disappeared, but the purple eyes remained.
Jacaerys... Baelor... Orys... Jon... names of characters that have stuck with me for years. And my King Stannis, his own daughter inherited the dragon dreams.
This is just a theory, but I feel like Nettles was George's clue/hint that the Blood isn't needed to ride a dragon. Nettles succeeding in getting Sheep Stealer thorugh unTargaryen ways by continuously feeding the Sheep Stealer sheep until the Sheep Stealer became familiar with her and even most likely came to like her. Her lineage is never confirmed. And a good theory that another RU-vidr Hill's Alive that Queen Rhaenyra wanted Nettles dead not because she suspected her of sleeping or bewitching Daemon, because she's completely fine with the White Worm sharing his bed, so it seems she doesn't mine sharing Daemon, but The Hill's Alive theorizes that Queen Rhaenyra wanted Nettles dead because she didn't think she was a dragon seed and believed her to be a common peasant. Obviously the implications that a common peasant can tame a dragon would really jeapardize the Targaryen's power and would cause others to try do tame dragons and usurp their hold. The threat is clear and it's a good reason why Rhaenyra wanted her dead, because her jealousy isn't a good motive seeing how she already was fine with Daemon sleeping with other women.
Nettles was a Targaryen bastard. She's most likely, a bastard descendant. That's how she managed to tame the dragon but she had just a little Targaryen blood in her, so she needed to do more than just approach it. But dont be fooled, if she didnt have the Targaryen little bit in her, no matter what she did, it would not have worked. She wanted Nettles executed alongside the other dragon seeds because 2 had already turned to the greens and didnt want them to do the same. Rhaenyra wanted Addam also executed, so it has nothing to do with your peasant theory or the fact she was sleepying with Daemon, it was the fact that she was a potential threat to side with the Greens like some had already did.
I always liked the idea of her being the only person without Valyrian blood to claim a dragon with her intuition and patience. But I'm guessing she's the only exception.
@@Alejojojo6 should be noted though that Nettles is mentioned in the books as not being pretty. Most Targaryens were considering abnormally beautiful. So while her being a bastard implies a possibility of her having Valyrian blood, the fact that she has NO Valyrian features whatsoever (besides her being characterized by Archmaester Gyldayn as not pretty, she had brown skin, black hair and brown eyes) kinda hint in the other direction.
Honestly, having Valyrian blood needed to tame a dragon is stupid. Does having Valyrian blood help tame a dragon probably. I always like the idea of taming a dragon in GRRM world to be similar to taming one in How to train Your Dragon. It doesn't happen instantly. Dragons want riders who share similar characteristics or at least riders that treat them with respect. So it is possible for a peasant to claim a dragon, but it would take a year or two to build a relationship beforehand.
U can see whenever a targaryen married outside the family their first child always have their mother's families appearance. 1. Aemon marries jocelyn baratheon rhaenys has black hair 2. Rhaenyra has kids with harwin their kids all have black hair(can also be attributed to rhaenys) 3. Daeron 2 marries myriah martell baelor has black hair 4. Maekar marries dyanna dayne daeron has sandy brown hair 5. Aegon 5 marries betha blackwood duncan has black hair 6. Rhaegar marries elia and raenys has a black hair (7. Rhaegar also marries lyanna jon has balck hair) You can see the pattern
@@suryamgangwal8315 Rhaenyra is not descended from Rhaenys (and her Baratheon blood), so it can't be attributed to the latter. Regardless, Rhaenyra's children have brown hair (and eyes), not the Baratheon black (and blue).
Maester, I think Baelor Breakspear is closer in age with his uncle Bittersteel, than Bittersteel with King Daeron II. So I don't think is a whole generation, maybe a couple of years but not as much as 12-15 years.
What you might have included is that it alluded to that house Stark and Strong descend from the same ancestor that may have also infiltrated house Baratheon giving them all STRONG genes that tend to dominate.
Everyone shit on the incest part and I get it but they are the last dragonrider family alive. If they mixed their blood too much, eventually they would not be able to claim dragons.
I think is important to remember that is very likely that the valyrians practiced genetical engeeniering, along blood magic. I think that's why when they married outside the family some Targaryens offspring didn't have valyrians features, the valyrian gene wasn't strong 🙃 enough, with some exceptions like Alicent's children, Rhaegar's and Elia's Aegon. Like my mom used to say, she's a doctor. Genetics are the most stubborn thing in the world, you never know how they'll act.
