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He was willing to burn, just as was broken and later left bleeding. He was the hero Gotham needed, but not they one Gotham deserved. He flipped the script in Rises. Gotham proved dark and shadowy in it's victory and decadance in ways that made the Gotham of the Joker and the Mob seem more worthy and hopeful. Batman won the war, and took the mantle of villain because they deserved him but needed a villain. In Rises, they fell into the worst recesses of decadence, so when Bane came, he was the Hero Gotham needed, but not Hero they deserved, for they had long since abandoned reason for madness. An amazing film... given a terrible reputation.
@@alejandrowaizel3750This is why Hathaway’s Catwoman is my favorite. It’s the subtle details that make her character and people overlook them. Check out the scene where she’s just rescued the little boy from the thugs and then Bruce speaks up, saying “Pretty generous for a thief” For a few seconds, she has a pained expression as if to beg for forgiveness. But then a few seconds later, she slips into her cool Catwoman mode. Hathaway’s Catwoman comes across as a real human being who is relatable and has emotional depth whereas Pfeiffer’s Catwoman is still entertaining, but she’s basically a cartoon character, nothing more. I think, because of this, Pfeiffer’s Catwoman is overrated.
But she didn't run away. She could have but she chose not to. She went back to fight beside her great love and than they ran away together after the battle was over.
I thought he meant it to be a universal message. Whoever wants to be the new Batman after Bruce has to be this ruthless in terms of mindset and philosophy. Never give up and care for other people first, yourself second.
I like how when Batman says “There’s more to you than than that” and Catwoman replies with “Sorry to keep letting you down” Her voice cracks just a little while she says this and she nearly chokes on her words. In this moment, Batman has more faith in her than she has in herself. Planting that seed of faith in her inspired her to change for the better. From this point forward in the story, she is a faithful heroine. For Selina Kyle, this scene here, is THE pivotal moment in her character development.
When she says “come with me” theres a moment where she almost says “please” before continuing. Such a good scene. Shes spent so long behind her guard that in the moments she drops it she doesnt even know how to say what she feels.
@@kevinemmers7025 I wish there was a scene while Selina is using the clean slate program and it works...she is in tears and then she sees something and goes off the screen.
Catwoman, at the beginning, dancing at the party with Bruce: "I think I'd do more to help someone than most of the people in this room. Than you." Catwoman, here: "You don't owe these people anymore, you've given them everything!"
I Need You at that time she doesn't know that he is the batman, so practically she said that to bruce wayne, that practically correct considering bad image framing by batman/bruce wayne to his/bruce wayne image himself. note that
@@near8300 Exactly. Selina was under the impression that she was talking to an entitled rich pretty boy who hasn't done anything remotely hard or struggled throughout his entire life. In fact, she was probably more harsh considering the fact that he made his first public appearance in over 8 years, to track her down because she stole something from him lol.
There’s so much emotional depth in her unspoken “Please”. It’s easy for her to save herself. But, she wants more. She’s desperate for Batman to save himself and she knows she can’t convince him otherwise.
Some people seem to really hate her, but I've always loved this scene. She conveys so much in such a short time here, and goes from someone who is still acting like they don't care, to someone who really does care, if only for Bruce Wayne. It's kinda cheesy how they end up together, but I like to think he's the only man on Earth that can hold her interest, and vice versa.
The hint of jealousy in Selina's voice when she refers to Miranda (aka Talia Al-Ghul) as Bruce's girlfriend😏 Anne Hathaway was so brilliant as Catwoman, able to switch from cynical & cold to vulnerable & concerned just like that, trying hard to deny her feelings for Bruce but those same feelings every now & than revealing itself. Bruce's unwavering belief that Selina deep down is good even after she sold him out to Bane and the look on her face & the tone of her voice when begs him to run away with her afraid that she'll lose him again & this time for good, wow was the chemistry between Anne Hathaway & Christian Bale simply perfect.
i was pissed when she betrayed bruce but lying and stealing is part of her character plus despite what she did he still believed in her i know fans are still pissed how bane died but selina had to be the one to kill him in order for her arc to be complete
"Not everything...not yet.." best part was it was more like taken from him, Gotham took his childhood...so he gave them justice...they took his love, he gave them peace...out of everything they take, he still saves them..
Choice of words are perfect as joker would say. Batman doesn't owe anyone but he refuses to give upon people. He will continue to give everything for the city even if the city will not acknowledge it.
When Batman told Selina that he hasn't given the city everything yet, It made me think that he was possibly talking about his life, and how it was the last thing left that he had to give to the city
i cant tell if these comments are serious, batman should not sound or talk like that at all, its hard to take him seriously with that voice and the way he always has his mouth wide open
I never got why Batman's voice is a big nitpick for some people. In this scene he's speaking loud enough for her to hear so she gets what she needs to do, then he calms his voice down during the emotional moment for Selina. People didn't seem to care when he spoke in his Batman voice in The Dark Knight when he was in the sonar room with Lucius Fox.
you're right which shows great development for her character and i believe her plea had influence on bruce to start a new life cuz they have many similarities
Anne is seriously underrated as Selina. She was great. Classic S Kyle. People forget that while Michelle is the GOAT, Anne was playing Catwoman before she became Catwoman.
As a Method actor, I think Anne Hathaway shifts through two different forms of Sense Memory here. The first memory is of sadness and desperation when she asks Batman to come with her, and the second of anger in that Batman has given Gotham everything and they still ask for more. Brilliant acting.
People keep talking about the 'not everything not yet' line, which is primo; but the conversation before hand about Catwoman being more than base impulse captures the core of the Batman's pysche and mythos so well. Relentless optimism
rodimus371 in reality DC Movies were bad before and after this trilogy. This trilogy was the best thing DC has ever made and The Dark Knight is not only a classic superhero movie but a classic movie altogether. This Christopher Nolan trilogy was an anomaly in the quality of DC's movie over the years. Along with maybe Michael Keaton's Batman movies. I'm not including any straight to DVD/Netflix/Digital movie like The Killing Joke, just theatrical superhero blockbusters.
Why this has to be so epic, so full of emotions ? One strange ally whom can not be trusted. A possibility of loosing your own life and yet, never loose hope. I have been searching for a mistake but there is none. This trilogy will be epic no matter how many batman films will be filmed
What’s subtle about this scene is that she was speaking from the heart when she said he’s given the people everything. She saw him at his lowest walking around his mansion with a cane before she knew he was Batman. Lol Then saw him have his back broken after that. She truly wanted him to leave.
But then it's Bruce's idealism that wins the day and saves millions...imagine what would have happened if he hadn't fought bane,gotten beaten, thrown into the pit, bane having overcome Gotham and then the whole world learning how to put into perspective the hard truth of their own lies in the view of Bruce's self sacrifice and not do something wrong on the basis of self judged ideas of what is right and what is wrong. In the end everybody, Alfred,fox,Gordon,Blake etc were wrong...only Bruce was right. A self sacrificing hero who doesn't care for only his own safety,as Alfred wants him to,but has a whole city to save and he does so brilliantly and saves it's soul too. Spiderman does same in train scene in spidey 2 and that's why aunt may tells Peter Parker why people love such idealistic heroes and wait for hours to get one glimpse of them and it is these heroes who help us die a noble death. Jeff Daniels character also talks about similar reverred leaders who inform people about truths of world even at the risk of loosing their own popularity in that famous scene from HBO newsroom. And today people of new Zealand are doing the same by not give in to hatred of that white supremacist and stand idealistically with their fellow Muslim countrymen. This is what saves the world from wanton madness of eye for a eye revenge.
I think it's in the DVD commentary that they said that Bruce has been wanting his dead dad's approval the whole time, and that getting the bomb out of the way was enough to get it.
We men always fall for Rachel's and Talia's who reject/ betray us at the end.💔😔 Instead we all should wait for our Selina ❤️ who would return for us in our difficult times.🥰
well keep in mind selina's betrayed him in other versions simply for money but in this versions case it was to start fresh and she did redeem herself by saving him
Bruce did go through a lot. Parents murdered, his family manor burned to the ground, the love of his life murdered, the one good public representative in Dent turned into a disfigured, bitter and vengeful lunatic, his health damaged, he's a villain in the eyes of the public...yeah, he's had enough. This scene is tolerable because in the end, Bruce did find his peace. He started this whole Batman thing, so he probably saw it as necessary, that he sees it through to the end, even if the end might be tragic for him. He put it all on the line. I think Nolan made the right choice in ending it on a positive note instead of killing Bruce - the latter perhaps would've made more sense considering the path Bruce has chosen, but what we got is more hopeful in the sense that bad times do indeed come to an end sooner or later and if you gut it out and you're smart about it, you will pull through.
Their ending with each other makes perfect sense, even after the betrayal. Selina wants a way out, a clean slate, which means she's ready to be done with her life of crime. She only commits theft and espionage as long as it serves her freedom, not out of pure pleasure. She's pragmatic and a survivalist. Batman knows her motives and sees her potential as a reformed criminal, even when she can't see it herself when she's desperate - "There's more to you than that," he tells her three times in different ways. Also, he's not the most moral character either, so he doesn't judge her actions too harshly, knowing what he's done in moments of desperation: spying on everyone's phone to find the joker, beating people to an inch of their life, choosing Rachel over Harvey Dent (which backfired). Also, this is a good pairing of batman/catwoman as they're older versions of themselves, mature, and both ready to move on.
yeah i think nolan wrote selina like this to make her opposite of bruce she only betrayed him cuz it was the only way to stop bane from killing her which she regretted once bane revealed his identity she has good in her thats why she saved him in the end
Batman: *Gargling voice* Catwoman: Dude, I know you’re Bruce Wayne. You dont have to do that voice around me. Batman: LOOK IM USED TO DOING IT WHEN THE MASKS ON JUST ROLE WITH IT K!
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