@@dalalalani2261adrien doesn’t have a personality since he is a sentimonster who was isolated so he never really could get to know other people and how to behave around them.But with Felix he isn’t isolated.He doesn’t get the „OMG YOU ARE A MODEL YOU DEFFO HAVE THE MOST PERFECT LIFE“ treatment
This, honestly i hate adrien. I would love felix who turns into a funny guy, that would make since as to why marienett wouldnt know. Honestly the original design it would be sm better
@@Yourmom-cy5yv adrien is a sentimonster who was isolated.Ofc he wouldn’t develop much of a personality.But Felix had freedom.That’s why he is more interesting since adrien is just a typical model.
@@HYDRO-SOVEREIGN exactly, i hate how thomas just simply gives each character an”role”. And then writes whatever. And when u add about how a character obviously does fit that description thomas just pulls the “its my show what i say goes”😓 Like how cat nores flaws are his? Nope because adrien is apparently perfect
I just remembered the time he randomly decided mid show that Luka will be Juleka’s twin. When someone on twitter asked to clarify if Luka is Juleka’s older brother or twin brother he just said yes 💀
I mean maybe he was born first, but they borned the same day, so that makes them twins, but it also makes Luka slightly older by minutes/seconds/hours.
Then later on said they are the same age. Which doesn’t make sense. Luka already has a job, his own guitar shop & is mature so it shows that he is older
To be fair you can have a job at 17, owning a shop is a maybe. I’ve seen it done before if they had the help of a legal adult. But yeah, the show is very inconsistent.
I actually laughed when Thomas Astruc has claimed to make better content than Pixar. Miraculous Ladybug’s plot is a mess. The timeline is a mess. The characters are a mess. The powers are the biggest mess. In 4 seasons I’ve never seen a show overly contradict itself so many times.
Thomas Assh*le thinks he’s better than Pixar?! Is he really that gullible?! He makes me laugh! Pixar makes better movies than Miraculous Ladytrash!! LMAO!🤣😂
Y’all ever seen Marinette have a conversation with her friends? Like just talking to them about somethin not related to superhero’s, her hobby’s, Adrien, her love life, or Chloe/Lila? Yet we’re supposed to believe these guys love and treasure her. The only thing she seems to do is complain to them
Funny story: my friend of mine in the animation industry went to Gobelins for education. Her tutor was Thomas Astruc, who… Came very rarely or did not come at all. He explained his absence by working on one of the Ladybug’s seasons. In the end, when it was time to hand in the final project, he came and called all his "students" mediocrity and that they had not learned anything. But he had to teach them.
Well… if his students are ‚mediocre‘ as he said, maybe it is due to the „teacher“‘s own mediocrity. Thomas needs to learn to get off his high horse… that barely is taller than any other equine
And the fact that the show keeps treating this like it is her fault, like NO, Chloé is a CHILD, imagine thinking it was Chloé's fault that her mother left her.
Thomas handles the whole "feminism" thing SO BAD. the irony in the fact that he had to make adrien dumber just to put ladybug in a good light? hello? ur telling me a girl cant be smarter than a guy w/out him being a moron ?? and if the main point of the ladybug being the more prominent hero is to act as a role model for young girls, why make her an obsessive stalker, who abuses her powers for a GUY? again, irony. i watched this show as a kid, and i tell you, i HATED marinette even then. she was the furthest from a role model to me. she made me so uncomfy it was ridiculous.
Yeah, ironically, the only way for a girl character to be smarter than everyone else is for everyone else to be stupid 💀 He doesn't even realize the implications behind that, and he is quite literally the anti-feminist/sjw movement's WETTEST DREAM of a person.
For real! Mari is in no way the girlboss fem icon for young girls that Thomas seems to think she is. She's a selfish boy-crazy stalker. The forced romance is so unnecessary! It just shows to young girls that if you fancy a boy, it's totally okay to STALK him and everyone will excuse and enable it. It's so weird how a lot of the fandom also supports it and roots for their endgame.. If it were a guy, people would riot.
In my opinion feminism if both sides are represented equal. If the job of one side is shown as much more important it's no feminism. Besides constantly showing that girls are better than boys? That's in a way sexism against boys. I'm a man of complete equality so I honestly don't think this whole duo thing is handled well. I mean I watched Kim Possible, Ron has more heroic and day-saving moments than Chat Noir, and he is meant to be the sidekick in every way, not the partner like Chat Noir
@@lucifer-librarian9562 no yea ur right, its not an opinion tho its a fact. Femisim is to fight for rights equal to that of men. So yeah what Thomas is doing really isn't feminism at all, just the opposite.
@@ines1084 I'm a Christian too and I don't mind the joke. Everyone has said dark jokes from time to time. It's not like Marinette said that in the show.
@@icecreamhero2375 exactly ! And the worst part is thomas 100% understands the fact that he CAN show representation to religious people without forcing down those beliefs on his audience. The excuse of " we need to protect the children" is one that is regularly used by the people who advocate for Islam to be made illegal here in France. Most politicians who are extremely racist and want to get rid of the (quite big) muslim population in france go to the news and say the exact same things that thomas is saying. Its genuinely become extremely obvious to anyone now that whenever someone says "religion is a private manner" its double speak for "I dont like you and your faith and you should keep it to yourself because it pisses me off. If you wanna practice, go back to your home country".
@@niharikatripathi43209 correction: I wish someone else would just rewrite the show and erase the original from everyone’s memories. It’s like the scriptwriters have never met teenagers 😭
Not only that Thomas thinks that Chloe can't change - he thinks it's normal to stalk someone. Marinette literally stalks Adrien, once stole his phone, broke into his house once and Thomas thinks that this is normal. He is ruining his own show, characters like Chloe and Adrien deserve better shows and way better treatment from the creator.
And the fact that he defense Marinette saying that her stalking "it's for comedy" but isn't also part of Chloe's bullying and comments also made for comedy sometimes? Why Marinette can be forgiven but Chloe isn't?
There's a pretty recent episode where Marinette herself acknowledges the stalking is crazy and denounces it, hopefully they follow through with that growth and she actually stops doing it
@@daniboy4153 This show has a tendency to backpedal on character development, sometimes in the last 5 minutes of the same episode, but I hope this was the plan for the stalking thing from the start and she actually grows past it
Hilarious how Thomas portrays himself as the epitome of feminists when his main female character is probably one of the most poorly written female characters I've had the misfortune of seeing. Can you name any personality trait Marinette (Not Ladybug) has other than "Ouchie! I slipped and fell! I'm so clumsy umu 🥺" and "OMG ADRIEN MY HUSBAND 😍😍😍". That's literally all she is.
Yeah. Ladybug is not good either she is a marysue who has forced writing and a hypocrite. Marinette is intead one of the most badly written characters I had the misfortune of watching unlike Adrien and chloe she didn't have any potential that got wasted She was bad from season 1.
@@rawdasalmataman7908 Not to mention how both Marinette and Ladybug are constantly being pushed out to be these "amazing, loving and caring people", when so many times throughout this show, Marinette has been such a catty, vindictive bitch. People get mad at Chloe for being a mean girl to everyone around her, but nobody seems to ever fault Marinette for literally shit-talking a girl who did nothing to her besides having a relationship with the boy she likes. And why Marinette is angry Kagami and Adrien got together is beyond me since... you know... Marinette literally never shoots her shot and avoids any possibly moment she can actually have developing a relationship with Adrien. Like girl, no shit other girls are gonna be jumping at Adrien, YOU NEVER DO IT YOURSELF. And for once, Adrien actually has a girl who wants him for HIM and not him for being what he is on the surface, that being a model or rich man's son. Kagami and Adrien actually connect because they both struggle with having a parent who's either absent or way too involved, yet Marinette just can't look past that bias because it's like she's deluded herself into thinking that Adrien is already hers WHEN HE'S NOT.
@@puppetpawss Yeah. In lies they showed that kagami likes Adrien not catnoir which feels weird to me because kagami is not like that Her interactions with catnoir were actually nice and they work well together even if there moments are not that many. Chloe is mean but it doesn't seem like anyone likes her or even see good in her except Adrien and miss bustier also chloe has bad parents she has a reason for being the person she is. However Marinette has a good life and good parents Everyone seems to like her even Adrien who sometimes see her stalking him I don't blame him since he knows nothing about the outside world and his communication skills are not good but I am just saying. Marinette is a creepy stalker and she has no backstory to explain why For example toko from danganronpa she is similar to Marinette not her personality but has she acts around her crush Toko is stalks her crush I mean not like Marinette I mean Marinette went into Adrien 's room and smelled his pillow I don't remember toko being that level of creepy but toko still says togami is her boyfriend even though he is not however toko had a really rough childhood and a backstory that explains why she is like that. Also toko is not supposed to be a role model for kids.
@@rawdasalmataman7908 As well as Toko generally gets the back-end of her stalkerish behavior, which is deserved. Togami doesn't put up with it, shuts her down, and generally she gets her comupence for the behavior she displays, usually because her character in the first game is kinda just around for comedic effect. But Marinette is constantly forgiven for her behavior by Adrien, and her friends and even Tikki encourage the way she acts. And that's another whole issue too! Chloe has a mother who couldn't give a shit about her and a father who enables her behavior but isn't actually there for her and doesn't display love for her besides giving her whatever she demands and basically nothing else. In a sense, she essentially doesn't really have a parental figure in her life, because your can't even really call Andre and Audrey parents. Just two adults in Chloe's life who sometimes take care of her. Which also makes sense as to why Adrien sympathizes with her and Kagami. He sympathies with the two because they share a story. Chloe's abusive and neglectful parents, Adrien's dead mother and neglectful father, Kagami's mother who's a combination of both strict and uncaring. Adrien is sympathetic because he knows their stories and he can relate to them. Where as Marinette, who only knows them on the outside, doesn't understand her issues, and therefore is unsympathetic. And while that wouldn't be her fault if she was still unaware of what life is like for these characters, the issue is she IS aware and STILL treats these characters horribly. She knows Audrey is a horrible mom, she knows Kagami doesn't have a lot of experience with making friends because of her mother's strictness, and she at least seems somewhat aware that Gabriel is not exactly an ideal father, yet she continues to squander these characters and treat them like dirt for no other reason than the fact that they're not completing this pitch perfect life she invisioned in her head. It's honestly just saddening.
@@puppetpawss Well toko also is not as bad as Marinette to be honest. Also toko has a logical reason to why she actually likes byakuya according to her trauma. Marinette is like yuno gasai I won't say she is worse because I think yuno is a bad person and a bad character Marinette is pretty bad but not as bad as yuno. Marinette is like yuno that she has no reason to like Adrien and she is ready to get rid of any girl who gets close to Adrien.
Fun fact: Chloe doesn't change because the writer don't let her change, multiple times they assassinated her character just to put other characters up, she already had a change but they changed her back into the horrible person she started as
As a writer/artists/editor, miraculous ladybug has taught me a numeral ways on how to NOT make romance, characters and pacing. All the time the characters forget the progress from past episodes, but more on contradicts on it’s morality. The fact it’s a kids show doesn’t exempt marinette’s stalker behavior and straight disrespect. Now that people call this out, it’s obvious Tom tries making chat as bad to make her look better*.
@@regunachapex7838Yeah, I remember hearing that! I just can't remember if they decided not to or just changed the story so much that whoever rates shows and movies in France decided it was okay. Some other countries that dubbed the show, if not most, did too.
yeah i liked how in one episode they tried to explain why marinette sucks with talking to adrien with "oh chloe fucked up her first crush by manipulating kim (which wasn't hard because kim has 0 braincells, the twitter norm) now she got PTSD" i am certain they didn't care
'chloe is there to represent that some people don't want to change' um... i think gabriel agreste fits that perfectly, and if she did change for the better that would make the show immensely better. I think a message to the kids that WOULD be appropriate is that anyone can change and no one has a 'static character', but rather 'dynamic'. Also, idk if anyone else has noticed, but half of the character cast has almost been forgotten from the show altogether. Nino? The Class? Ms Bustier, which i should mention helped chloe for the better? the rest of the freaking WORLD that they built in the first 2 seasons? where did they all go??? and what's with giving out the miraculous like its *candy*? Also really don't like how they've given/taken away basic character from characters just to give someone else the spotlight, thats super bad writing.
Lila fits the bill too. She literally said to Ladybug in Volpina that they'll never be friends and after over 3 seasons, Lila still hates Ladybug and she still makes up BS stories.
@@victoriaescobedo5458 YES OH MY GOD i really don't know what thomas has against chloe OR the concept of giving all characters equal spotlight. Another rant for my sanity's sake, his claim of, "oh some details in the episodes might seem unimportant but in the end it really comes together" Sir. As a creator, if you require your audience to look at your story multiple times in order to understand the basic plot, then you're telling the story wrong. Good storytelling gets straight to the point and tells the audience what they want them to know and/or understand and they do it in the most understandable way, like body language or dialogue. It INFURIATES ME how much Miraculous has ignored this in so many of their episodes and the recent plot overall, and yet it's considered a 'remarkable' show. Yeah, remarkable in its profits.
All of that turned into mind controlled zombies who always react unanimously to a situation/character and it just makes it all so boring and cringe, it reminds me of those fanfics that 10 years old write, except they are excused for making that mistake, unlike adult people working on a TV show. They are constantly used to TELL us how amazing a certain character is, their only purpose is to be this stupid crowd just to show how smart ladybug/Marinette is. Remember the episode Laila was introduced? Everyone imidietly got brainwashed by her, they all just lost their personalities, they didn't have their own opinion anymore, but Marinette? Oh she's the main hero and we have to make it visible by making her the only person to be able to think and act like an actual human being. I know in shows there will always be this crowd of people that serves as a background, but they problem is they gave those guys character, they started to flesh them out and then they just forgot about all that and turned them into mindless puppets
Theory: 1. Thomas came up with a fun concept. The magic system was simple with easily marketable jewelry giving power ups to random people. Throw in the high school setting to hit the target demographic, which also enables dating and coming of age tropes. 2. He took his ideas to a creative team and rolled 5 natural 20s or something, and got an AMAZING team of actors and animators that pushed MLB into the success it is. 3. As the show grew his ego got out of hand and refused to let better writers work on the storytelling, because he wanted to keep the fame and notoriety. Conclusion: What we got. A delightful magic system that lends itself to OCs/fan fiction, basic character tropes and setting people can latch onto, and better than it deserves visual/audio talent. MLB is a beautiful mess. It has no coherent narrative or plot progression. It's animated and voiced by talents that make it seem better quality than the story is. And it has a creator that desires personal attention over the improvement of the story. I like MLB. In theory anyway. The magic is a fun concept, the setting and coming of age is the type of story I like, and it's pretty. But it's story is such a pile of dung that I don't respect it anymore. If anything I just feel pity to the voice actors and animators who have to play these Looney Toon puppets. Even when I know the plot is dumb, the shows aesthetics pull me in and nearly convince me that this is a good show. But it isn't. And that's what's frustrating. I've stopped watching it after season 4, but I stopped loving it after the NY special. It's better in my imagination. Edit: Just to clarify. When I said dating, I am meaning crushes and romantic attraction. Not anything sexual. I should've used better phrasing beforehand. Second Edit: I'm not saying Thomas came up with magic jewelry or transformation magic or even the Love Square. I'm saying he put his own spin on it. Nothing is completely new and magical girl stuff has been around for ages. Magic items even more so.
personally, I don't think that Thomas really came up with the concept of magical jewelery being given to people as I have seen it in plenty of precure show before like glitter force doki doki which was released two years before miraculous. English is not my native language so sorry for any grammar mistake.
Before I get to Tom’s part, I’m gonna throw my two cents in on Tom. He’s practically a man-child. He can’t take criticism, and his characters aren’t great, and his excuses for things are forced and lame. I remember when I started writing stories and fan-fictions and things along those lines. I acted exactly like Tom did; people told me my character needed more development, I was passive-aggressive with them. People gave me hate, I blocked them. I was nine at the time. Thomas Astruc has about the writing mindset of a nine-year-old. I mean, when I was nine my storylines didn’t make sense either, so there’s that. He needs to grow up and make better decisions. He’s almost 50.
But unlike you Thomas is a grown man running a show that everyone wants to watch but the bad writing from willful ignorance is losing the support he had. There’s nothing wrong with criticism if your writing fanfics, but you also have every right to NOT listen to it and block people who harass you, especially at such a young age. But it’s funny how fanfictions are doing a greater job than the show ever will and it’s all because a grown man can’t handle simple criticism to improve the trash show.
Honestly I think Jeremy Zagg loves his show and his company so much but not Thomas’ version… hence why he’s making a movie and Thomas isn’t writing it. I think Jeremy is a solid guy for acknowledging the wages and fixing it, but it makes me wonder what else is going on in his company that he’s unaware of.
He's an expansionist. He likes bringing new ideas into the same theme. I doubt it's his fault that the company had issues when he was focusing on making new projects and stuff.
Oh i didnt know thomas didnt make the movie, i might actually watch it now, knowing how bad the show is right now, the only thing that could make a new show come would be a full on reboot
My question is, if Chloe is _so irredeemable_ then why even make a redemption arc if it would only be destroyed in the end? Her development was one of my favorite things in the show. MLB has so much potential, but it always manages to be a disappointment.
apparently astruc wasnt working on the show for chloe's redemption arc. when he got back instead of going with it he overhauled all of her character development
Because Astruc wants people to come into the show at any episode and not be lost. He wants to keep it episodic and formulaic meaning that it'll stick to the same formula for the next season and the season afterwards. We get no new main villain other than Hawk Moth, characters don't develop (and when they do it's instantly retconned), and Marinette and Adrien will keep at this stupid slow burn of a romance with no new tensions or interesting story arcs or character arcs to keep viewers invested. Even other formulaic shows like Power Rangers and Sailor Moon knew to spice things up and develop the story and characters otherwise the shows would get boring.
@@rinibunny4576 In some episodes, Rena Rouge and Pegasus had lighter skin as superheroes and this was blamed on animation errors. Aeon from the New York special is an android created by a white person, takes the form of a black girl and is programmed to help people. Fei from the Shanghai special originally had golden hair when she was Ladydragon but it was changed to red due to accusations of whitewashing. And then there's Qilin, an episode focused on rasicm that ended with the racist getting off scott-free while the victim's daughter paid the fine using the victim's money. The Ephemeral case is the one that got me to turn against Thomas Astruc because of how he just kept blocking Korean fans AND what happened with Hope Morphin.
This is exactly why I think Jeremy Zag is the more mature writer because he can admit to his mistakes and solve the problem, instead of defending himself. Also, he wrote Chloé so well-done in season 2, that it’s disappointing that Thomas sabotaged all of it.
something that really bothered me in the VAs being replaced thing was: if the thing hadn't been resolved, they would probably look for inexperienced VAs to replace, young people who are just starting and don't know what's a good and fair payment. they would probably receive the same amount of money as the former VAs or worse, even less because they're, again, inexperienced. as someone who just got accepted into theater school and had plans to become a VA, this is such a shitty and shady thing to do
The fact that Marionette still can’t confess her love to Adrian after 4 seasons is tiring and even a little annoying. I rather see Adrian hook up with Nino at this point. Also these characters don’t suffer any trauma after being akumatized which is pretty unrealistic. Two even published a comic book about their akumatized selfs and how they turn good. Wtf?
Mari kinda have trauma beacuse of Blank.But you're right the akumatized people should have trauma and PTSD but they don't. Hawkmoth isn’t scary at all.He should be intimidating but he isn’t.
The show is a guilty pleasure. It came out when I was around 14 and I wanted to be like Marinette. She was was cute, clumsy, and everyone loved her and she was an adored superhero who had a cute boy head over heels for her. I wanted that. As an adult. Marionette’s behavior is the worst for a child to idolize and I probably wasn’t the only kid that wanted be like her. The message that you can stalk someone and they’d still like you is dangerous. Also the writing is just a hot mess in dangerous. It’s a good show to put on when you’re working and you need something to put on in the background
Yeah, stalking is not good! Being obsessed with another person period is not healthy. You can really like someone, you can CERTAINLY respect them deeply, but you cannot be obsessive. You cannot feel entitled to someone else. It's... The show really waters down the severity. The protagonist has a real problem and she needs help with emotional regulation. Looking back I'm baffled the writers didn't see it that way.
The part with Chloe always gets me. I went through a lot of trauma as a child, and people often disregarded this saying "you had your parents, siblings and friends, you can't have trauma if they were there" Yeah no fuck you, you don't understand how trauma works at all. Trauma isn't a thing that happens, but how we react to it. Even though Chloe had her father and her buttler, even a friend in Adrien, she still felt awful about her mom leaving and couldn't cope with this. Stating she couldn't feel bad because there was people to support her doesn't make sense, when people with trauma often don't realize for a long time where their troubles, fears and anxiety come from, and usually fear that their emotions will be tossed aside since they "don't have a reason for it" This is what made me resent Thomas. Before this, I could've forgiven most of what he said if he properly apologized and seemed like he would change. But being so awful when it comes to a sensitive topic is absolutely not okay and in my opinion fully unforgivable.
I totally agree with you, and I'm sorry about the trauma you had went through as well. I understand that you feel very strongly about how Thomas dealt with the Chloe thing, heck so do I! I had so much hope for Chloe, it seemed as if she was going to get a redemption arc then BOOM no. It makes no sense to me that he dealt with her this way especially if this is a kids show with supposedly "valuable lessons" Making Chloe out to be somebody "who will never change" and brushing her off as if she's just a "rich blond with daddy's money" is honestly repulsive and has also made me resent thomas.
I'm going to be bold and say that it feels that to Thomas, unless you're something like a war veteran or a sexual assault survivor, it's not "real" trauma.
@@spiritlxss Doesn't help that, narratively speaking, the argument of Chloe 'choosing' to not be redeemed COULD have worked too: growing resentment and a feeling of betrayal from Ladybug/Adrien, the few people she actually opened up to, thinking that it's pointless to become good if everyone still always expects the worst of you - might as well be as bad a villain as people say, right? ... but nope, instead they just dump her character arc entirely, pretend season 2 didn't happen, and turned her into a parody version of her season 1 self while her sister that literally didn't exist until season 4 became the new bee miraculous holder. It all felt so.... contrived, to put it nicely.
@@kou7191 This is such a strong point, you're absolutely right. Even if Chloe choosing to not be redeemed could have worked if they didn't dump her character entirely, just like you had said. What makes me resent him the most is how they completely neglected her character and wrote her like her season 1 self, AKA: the "mean character for no reason and no backstory behind her feelings" You can just notice the differences in her character between the seasons and then suddenly just going back to square one. I don't know if you are familiar with High school musical, (if not completely disregard this point!) but I can contrast Chloe and Sharpay Evans. (a well written character compared to chloe) Chloe and Sharpay are both stereotypical blond and rich 'mean' girls. The contrast is that Sharpay actually has a redemption arc in her own movie. Though, without her redemption arc she is a well written villain who is actually valuable to the story. Sharpay was never really a neglected character at all.
I think it was because he got into a huge shitstorm with She-Ra's fanbase at some point.. if i remember correctly it was because of the whole Ladybug and Chat Noir not being equals argument.
@@e.h6522 Thomas was pissing in the well as he knew he was being replaced as the key person on the show. Just like Rian Johnson destroyed sequel Potential for Star Wars Episode Nine, Thomas Made Chloe loose everything she had that was important to her to her sister into a crazy dictator & threw her off the show, and then murdered both of Adrien's Parents then mike dropped and left. Season 6 has such a big mess to clean up and The Paris Special may just muddle the issue.
My biggest beef with Thomas is his profile pic , it’s so annoyingly fake / narcissistic. Also biggest beef with the show is how the episodes come out out of order
Oh, the episodes are actually released out of order?! I thought my tv/ netflix was being weird. Good to know someone else is experiencing this too. I'd always look up what the order is supposed to be before binging a season. 😑🙃
i love how thomas said something like "The worst cant be redeemed" while in the finale, hawk moth gets redeemed. DESPITE MENTALLY ABUSING HIS CHILD AND 2 OTHERS, KILLED PEOPLE MULTIPLE TIMES, LITERALLY WILLINGLY AKUMATIZED HIS SON MULTIPLE TIMES AND GIVING PEOPLE ANXIETY BY MAKING THEM THINK THEY HARMED OTHERS, ABUSED 2 IMMORTAL BEINGS AND TORTURED HIS SON IN THE FINALE.
Honestly, more and more fans crave the show to be from Adrien's POV. Like I don't care if Ladybug is the leader of the duo, but his storyline is far more interesting. Also, isn't it sexist that the main character's (who is a girl) main goal and entire personality *surrounds* a boy?
Can we talk about how frickin dedicated and talented the miraculous fandom is for a sec?? Here we have a show with a plot holes so big that it could rival the grand canyon, inconsistent with it's story and badly written characters aswell a very controversial (and racist) creator who likes to stir up drama with 14yo on twitter And yet the fandom is still dedicated to this show for 6 years and somehow still kept this dumpster fire of a show still relevant by writing fanfic's, making beautiful animatics, amazing comic's & comic dubs, hell even gacha live mini movies, without being acknowledge or even respected by the creator at all And the fact that the fan stuff has a lot more depth, carachter development and consistent lore the show has setup in 6 YEARS Astruc should really keep in mind that without the fandom this show wouldn't even be relevant anymore and he wouldn't even be as famous as he is now
Because fans are very passionate about what they like, plus it puts their own writing and artistic skills to the test. I'm an artist, and I'm still practicing on how to be a good writer by making my own fanfics (Ben 10 Alien Force being the main atm), but I draw how I think it could have gone, like how I'm Steven Universe, the diamonds are the bad guys, Pink Diamond and Rose Quartz are their own separate characters, male gems exist too, and the gems are not made of light etc or how I think in Star vs the forces of evil, Marco would be the final villain, with everything at stake on Mewni, him claiming the wand and Monster Arm returning.
@@zeldaprincessgirl100 I think it's just sad the astruc doesn't even acknowledge this fact at all, the artist's and writer's in the fandom are very talented people yet we see not even a pinch of respect from astruc himself, instead he just send hate comment to people who DARES critic his masterpiece and absolute perfection of a show instead of trying to fix noticable mistakes in it If even gacha kids can make a good and cohesive story line then an adult man who has been "fixing" this show for more then 6 years. you know you did something very wrong
Man, the Chloe thing still gets me on my nerves on a personal level because Chloe reminds me of my little sister so much. Him saying a person like that is unredeemable really makes my blood boil. Children are definitely not the ones to blame when they develop toxic behaviors as a consequence of bad parenting. I can't believe he really made the show to be like "oh poor zoey, she's losing herself in the need of the approval of her mother" but then he doesn't apply the same logic with Chloe for some reason?? Anyways, if he really wanted to make the point that "some people are just bad and don't want to change", dude Lila is right there!! Why drag Chloe into it as well?
Same, im still not over the chloe thing, because it reminds me of myself in the past, i was exactly like chloe, spoiled brat, and a rude person because thats what my surroundings thought me, the attitude of my parents was that, but i still changed. So why cant chloe?
@@roseberryy_ Or just, he don't want it. It’s not because you like a character and you have to impose your ideas. You know that he is no longer alone in writing Miraculous and that the script was written over several years. Thomas himself confessed in a press conference to dislike the redactions of the bad guys (that’s why he doesn’t want to turn Chloe into a nice character). Especially since the scenario has repeatedly shown her destructive behavior: she accuses Marinette of stealing and wants to put her in jail (although stalking someone is also a big problem), she called the firefighters in order to punish everyone (in France calling for nothing help a serious offence of 1 year imprisonment), she repeatedly harassed Marinette and her best friend (push, hit and humiliate her). She uses her father’s cheating and influence to close establishments etc. You are sure to want a reduction. The character may be very bad and I think it is the best for this character. In France, we let authors write their scripts WITHOUT PEOPLE COMING TO MODIFY them. It’s the freedom to write what we want. We don’t let fans decide what to write in it. Especially since the Miraculous team signed a contract to write a series for children from A to Z in a children’s TV channel (Guily and France 4 are the channels that finance the series and they are channels for children from 7 to 10 years olds). And they didn’t plan on making him more mature. Because if it makes it more mature then that means Miraculous will have to be in another channel and lose their funding. The producers of Wakfu (a very popular series in France) have decided to make the series more mature and today we do not know if we will have a season 4 and a final. So pity stopped harassing him about things he doesn’t control or his choice of scenario.
@@housnatzoubert2444 Look, the thing is, if he just wants Chloe to stay a villain he can just say so and I would respect it. What I'm complaining about is him making excuses for himself saying it's because "a person like that cannot change". That's just not true Idc. And showing how Chloe is deeply hurt and has self-steem issues to then make her a villain is a terrible message to send to kids. "Oh a person like that doesn't need help at all, she's just bad don't worry about her :D".
I was really upset that Thomas threw out a Chloe redemption arc, especially at the Battle of Miraculous episode. In the same season they showed Chloe being able to resist akumitization, which we'd never seen before. But they threw it all away because "Chloe bad"
It's not even that he undo Chloe's redemption arc, it's *how* he did it. Even if Chloe's arc wouldn't have a "happy ending" and she'd chose to not change, he never bothered to give her even that and just....discarded it altogether as if it never happened, then replace her with her perfect sister that came out of literal nowhere. It borders on satire with how absurd that shift was.
Yaaa and I'm definitely on chloes side on the failed redemption like you stop letting her use her own miraculous and treat her horribly not even letting her help with her own parents, and she's still loyal to you and then she breaks 1 time (which ladybugs friends pretty much do on a daily basis) so you fully take it away... while she also caused all the other identitys to be revealed but does that matter? No. Cause they're ladybugs friends... then her sister comes along and pretty much replaces her stealing her redemption... yaaaay...
As a christian, the "Jesus miraculous holder" caught me off-guard. I had to replay to make sure I heard it right, it was kinda funny (because it was stupid) but it was so out of nowhere and if Thomas is a christian too (I'm not sure he is), he should know that it doesn't make sense
Yep. I saw such when it was just 1-2 seasons aired. I think the same goes for Truth and/or Wishmaker. One of the smaller ideas I remember was there was a joke Chat had figurines of himself and Ladybug, awhile before that was added to the show
I wonder if Thomas was actually involved in some of the episodes involving Chloe. Because if we’re NOT supposed to sympathize with her, and despise her instead, why give her a sympathetic background? Why call her a monster when it’s clearly shown that her personality is the result of her upbringing and has SHOWN moments of kindness and change? Giving her the bee miraculous of all things??? I seriously can’t wrap my mind behind his logic.
I might get hate for this, but, I don't think The Owl House is that great like everyone else says it The show had a great idea but a terrible execution
Seeing it was a kids show I was always shocked Chloe never got redeemed despite the episodes showing visible character growth but apparently none of that mattered and just suddenly disappeared🧐
Was following him when season 1 was first airing, and uhh he kinda had a habit of doing that. A fan would ask an honest question, or say 'wouldn't it be cool if...' and he'd berate them for it, and then later on that fan would turn out to have been right and he'd congratulate himself on 'throwing us off'. I think the idea was to keep it a surprise, but after a while it really, *really* started to look like he was just using these fans' ideas haha orz
Also it's just like kinda creepy that Marinette's dad is a self insert for Astruc, Sabine is a insert of an ex of his, and Marinette is like a fanchild between them. I also feel like really bad for Hope Morphin, the person Marc is based on. They used to be friends, but after Hope simply brought up how he used the rising sun flag for Japan, talked very calmly when he responded, and they were completely blocked, no warning. Years of defending him and the show, being friends, all apparently gone from just pointing out him using a flag associated with awful atrocities in his show.
Another thing that kinda gets back to the Asian issue of people not fully understanding the difference between Chinese and Japanese is people overestimating the connection of Marinette and Kagami, such as them being secret siblings or Kagami helping Marinette connect with her roots. I just read those things and I'm like "Hey, I'm all for character growth and deeper connections, but you do understand that Asia is a continent, not a country, right?"
Yeah. I'm an Asian who grew up in Asia and that kind of mindset confused me at first. Here in Asia, I hear people from my country rant and trashtalk other Asians all the time. Really interesting how people think being from the same continent automatically means we feel connected and have an affinity with each other
Tbh Thomas doesn’t have a filter, and just a bad mannered person in general. If he wants out community to treat him with respect he should treat us with respect. Also I am a firm Chloe redemption arc fan, and I think she deserves better. Thank you for bringing some of these topics to attention. personally I knew that some of the creators don’t consider their behavior. The fans should know who they are supporting. Again thank you for enlightening us.
I think I like the concepts behind Miraculous ladybug rather than the show itself. It has all these interesting ideas, but just doesn't do them very well. The repetitive episodes get old, the pacing is rushed/awkward, and the character development is dismal. At this point, I'm actually more invested in Gabriel's story with Nadia than our main duo, which is kinda sad. Its so frustrating because they had the potential for greatness, but it just always seems to fall flat. Then Thomas barges in thinking this show is godly becaise of his expertise. And no, Thomas, its not.
In my personal opinion, the concept for the show is really good. The love square is *chefs kiss* because it can so easily portray character development; going from Adrien/Cat Noir liking Ladybug to Marinette because that’s who she really is and Marinette/Ladybug liking Cat Noir instead of Adrien because that’s who HE really is? That is extremely clear in portraying that these characters grew up and started liking the real person instead of the polished persona! Bad thing the show refuses to let the characters grow and made Marinette into a stalker and Adrien into a really flat character (from what I remember) making it impossible to care. Like, if we got more focus on Adrien and him being maybe mischievous or SOMETHING whilst himself (not as Cat Noir), it’d be more fun to watch, or maybe seeing Marinette being a normal human for once instead of a lovesick stalker.
Thomas's behavior is scary, to be honest. He does sound like an abusive guy that didn't deserve the spotlight he got. I truly hope people that work under him don't suffer like the fans of his show do. I stopped watching Miraculous, the story got too confusing and also predictable at the same time. and I'm sorry 5+ audiences my ass, this show is at least 10+ audiences. And the show is only ALIEVE thanks to Brazil, yup, Miraculous is so popular around here that the channel that airs it here is now co-owner and co-producers of the show. (It's the GLOOB, that we see on the credits, and the show air first here).
21:41 The thing I want to say is that, Chloe’s mom left her, yet Chloe idealizes her and wants her mother to love her back. Also, children that has at least one parent/guardian figure leave their life may feel abandoned, this doesn’t help that Audrey had an affair with another man and gave birth to Zoe although still married to her husband. The abandonment of her mother and the absence of her father ( due to him being the mayor ) and having her BUTLER who isn’t her family raise her can be something of trauma, also Chloe should not be asking her mother “Why don’t you love me?” as a child would have to go through some sort of TRAUMA to have that mindset of a guardian figure. Edit: Also, isn’t Chloe a 14 years old? That means her brain isn’t fully developed so her parents would be the people who are trusted to develop and mature the child.
23:27-24:00 it literally aged like milk because he literally gave Gabriel a redemption arc (someone who did far more worse things than Chloe) and I AM SO MAD OF THE FINALE LIKE WHHHHHYYYY 😡😡😡😡😡
FR I hated it so much like u had this man do all of these terrible things and now he dies and gets seen as a hero?!?! And all Chloe does is cry in a corner??
Can we emphasize how Chloe was literally ostracized in Penalteam? Everyone in the class gets a Miraculous, except for her. Putting aside the fact that Marinette hardly even knows half her class on a deeper emotional level and entrusted them with death-defying superpowers, singling out one kid isn't going to help them be happier. Does the writing team realize that Marinette is actively contributing to the toxic environment by treating Chloe like shit? The logic and justification for hating Chloe is so damn elementary, it really shows how mature Astruc is.
@@vilmavenla magic won't let hawkmoth know, who is behind new hero's mask. If hawkmoth was smart enough to understand who's behind new mask, I think he could understand who ladybug is.
@@ozvuchkibilla He kept track of half of all miraculous holders and STILL couldn't realize that every single one of them is directly related to Adrien either as a classmate or a close friend.
Thomas astruc is a bit of a narcissist. he Will never leave twitter or will stop engaging with the hate bc he LOVES the atention. heck, he put himself on the show to whine about not being appreciated enough. Marinette is his self insert. she is the main character bc she is always right, she knows best, she is the smarter one, even her flaws are cute! people even like her flaws (like being a creepy stalker) and encourages her. EVERYONE LOVES her, and does who dont are villains whom wants to harm her. even when she is cleary in the wrong, no one calls her out! she is living astruc's most desired dream. I dont know what he will do when his contract in S5 ends and he wont have such a grip on the show. If astruc goes to another miraculous project then maybe he will lay low, but If he does not... expect this attitute to tripple, bc he WILL try to get the atention of the fandom back to him.
@ferret i just learned about that in a comment from another video Aparentely Maribug is based on the non-existent daugther of him and his ex I thought It couldnt get worse and boom, It did 😐
honestly, i kinda forgot kinda everything that happened in Miraculous because everything after like season 2 confused me. the most significant thing i remember from a few years ago when i did watch it was the random ginger artist who had like 2 episodes with a large role and then disappeared in most of the others, 12 year old me really related to him. also i didn't like how the show kept romanticising Marinette's stalking and i died of secondhand embarrassment at most things she did so i just couldn't watch anymore
Ah don't worry. Alya turns to the cam and says "That's not good". See, everything cleared up, stalking bad. (that literally happened and Astruc used that to claim they portray the stalking as bad consistently...)
@@BluePhoenix_ "stalking is bad!! but let's still make the main protagonist, who's presented as a role model for children watching this show, a stalker! that won't be problematic at all!!!"
@@acelittlefire "Exactly,like writing down your crush routine and every move,breaking into your crush's house just to sniff their pillow and etc. It's completely normal!!!!! What?? The main character abuses her powers to stop any girl from "stealing" her crush?? Nah,that's normal too!!!!!!" Honestly if Mari was a side character or if the story wasn't from Mari's pov,the whole fandom would hate her and would acknowledge that she is a creepy stalker.
I watch around an average of 10 mins per episode cuz I have to keep pressing skip 5 seconds when it comes to marinette's irl life. It was a little funny at first but she's gotten away with it for way too long and doesn't take responsibility for her own actions that have gotten people akumatised before. They hinted at her getting better and then it got fucked over again. The way the show doesn't even air in a chronological shows how much of a mess the story is, and yet, it was such a good idea that i just can't stop watching. It's truly infuriating
When I was younger, the show still had one season, and I watched it with my mom because a classmate recommended it to me. We were basically just ragging on the show and laughing the whole time because of how absurd it was. At the end of the season, I remember my mom said the ending cliffhanger had some potential, but oh boy did our optimistic views on the show at the time age badly.
The fact that it doesn’t condemn behaviour like stalking is 💀 Like yeah when you’re an adult watching, you know stalking is wrong but then you realise that this show is also watched by impressionable toddlers and children and their literally watching they’re main character being an obsessive stalker and that behaviour is condoned… 💀💀💀 Massive red flag for me tbh.
Man kim possible is one of the best shows back in a day Ron held his own as kim sidekick and even if kim was the leader they knew how to balance them as equels wish this show took some notes
Unlike MLB, Kim Possible had Ron-centric episodes and showed his progression from meek sidekick that's willing to stand on the side to a hero who could hold his own and Kim saw him as an equal.
Astruc: "I don't include religious or political beliefs because it's too sensitive of a topic to be in my show" Also Astruc: Adds parental abuse and negligence in multiple characters
I think I started liking Miraculous Ladybug when it first aired on Nickelodeon. Then somehow, Nickelodeon lost the rights of the show and now Disney channel owns the show.
"We invented more unique super powers than the whole industry in 2 decades." Yeah, I am pretty sure I've seen most of the miraculous powers used in Danny Phantom... Conjuration instead of Creation, Clockwork for time powers, and "destruction" is so vague that any power that does any damage could count; like Ecto Blasts or the Ghostly Wail. Yep, tooooottttalllly unique. Also, on a side note, the only reason I can think of as to why the Bunny has the time travel ability is a play on speed, which is exactly why The Flash can time travel lmaoooo.
Destroying things was definitely a power before, wether by speeding up entropy, controlling atoms making them disperse, or breaking the laws of physics by erasing matter from existence. What about anti matter doesn't that destroy matter hmm
I also feel like the Rabbit’s powers is meant to be a reference to the White Rabbit from Alice in Wonderland, who’s closely associated with time and used burrows to travel from the real world to Wonderland. But that’s just my interpretation.
The only real "unique" powers out of all of them are really the pig and dog, and both are... useless at worst, situational at best. Even the snake, which is rather creative, is literally the plot of an episode of The Fairly Oddparents.
Thomas: "Some people can't change and Chloé is an example of that" Me: "Hum... how about Lila?" After all Chloé was getting a redemption arc and Lila never changed from her manipulative tendencies on others...
Honestly he's just a bad mannered person and needs to learn to be civil to people. He's very arrogant and nasrcisstic in the way he addresses people. Not to mention there are other kid shows that are much better than Miraculous so it being a kid show isn't a good explanation to me. There are shows like Amphibia,The Owl House,Steven Universe ect that are "for kids" but can be enjoyed by adults and have way better writing and character development.
I think you can support the show without the creator.. I love the show and believe it’s always been for all ages but knowing how Thomas is just kinda ruins the show for me.. I also do agree that Thomas is a narcissistic
I feel bad for all the other people working on Miraculous. All of their hard work is getting dragged through the mud because of one man and his childish attitude.
@Kirsten Owens it's hard to completely love the cannon show material when askrucks narcissism and arrogance has already heavily influenced the writing and potential of it 😭 I've been reading more mlb fanfics lately and it's just so refreshing to see these characters actualy *develope* and plot move forward consistently.
At this point, pretty sure he’s so snobbish piece of sh*t irl. Sometimes, the people manners in real life almost same as in social media. He just trying to become attention seeker by being narcissistic to some naive people.
Confession time: I don't like Marinette, and I think Adrien's character is more interesting than hers. It's a shame that Thomas's failure to write characters really affected the enjoyment so much. Chloe, Marinette, and many more characters had greater potential. Anyway, Adrien deserves better as a character. Edit: Well, I guess hating is too much. Sometimes there are times when I like her. At least I don't like the way her character is handled. The reason I think Adrien's more interesting is because of his life and what he's been through. With a little more caring, a perfect kids show main character could emerge. Because he's something I'm really curious about writing and watching his psychology. Marinette, on the other hand, is literally a Mary Sue. This girl has everything in a weird way. She is in a private school, she is a superhero, she has great friends and parents, knows most celebrities, is friends with Jagged, babysits the daughter of a famous spiker, she is super nice etc etc Just because she is the main character. This is my point. I don't like the way Adrien is handled in the story either, and I didn't say I did. I just said, he just never got what he deserved as a character.
@@tatjanaporyvkina2093 she’s literally a stalker and if you watched the whole show you would see that she needs help and if you didn’t realize that then it’s a you problem 😀
I agree. She literally knows Adrien's routine for 3 FUKING YEARS? And posters and photos of him all over her room? That's a creepy stalker there, which shouldn't be on a 14 yo kids show Not mentioning her causing some of the akumatizations
I genuinely loved season one and two-they were simple enough, but that was what made them effective. And I think there is no doubt the show has fallen off since then 😭 And Astruc has always disappointed me in the way he talks to his own fans. He displays none of the positivity he claims to want.
Thomas talks like he wasn't the creators of this universe... like.. "Marinette is smarter than everyone else" isn't a, argument when you are the reason why she's the smartest. She's not a person who had worked or even is like that. She's a character with the scenario on her side because you choose it. Thomas is the worst kind of writter: adult child, adolescent attitudes, egocentrical, unable to take critics and is always "UwU my ocs are perfect and totally real and no one can analyze them in anyother way than my own!"
the thing about the lack of religious representation in the show isn't really up to Thomas here : France is a "laïque" (sorry, don't know the english word so used the french one) country, which basically means that religion is kept aside from politics and the goverment, which in consequence forbids people working in the public service, like some administration house, students (college or university not included), TV shows for kids/ TV shows on public channels like Miraculous Ladybug which is shown on TF1, a public french tv channel, from wearing or showing any religious signs , like a hijab, a cross, a kippa etc... So he can't really represent any religion here as it is forbidden by law here
But why change Nino's ethnicity then? He was implied to be from Reunion first, and then it was official that he was Moroccan. This is a country with an official religion. I've never met a Moroccan who wasn't a muslim. His name as well as his younger brother Chris, are very clearly not Arabic. It's very clear his ethnicity got changed for brownie points with the Moroccan community. If Astruc NEEDS to avoid religion, then why change a character from a place that doesn't has an oficial religion to a character that by real life logic would be religious due to his ethnic background? Especially when Alix herself is already partially Arabic-French. She looks white, but her brother's facial structure is a bit more Arabic. They easily could have given him a bigger role by expanding more on the idea of him researching the history of the Miraculous. Considering they already seem mixed, not being muslims would make sense for them but they could definitely still represent people from Arabic speaking cultures. Considering Reunion also has an Indian population and Nino definitely looks like a Portuguese mixed Indian, it is essentially erasing the only character with implied South Asian roots on top of all the weird confusion. Whilst the French rule isn't up to Thomas, Nino's ethnicity is and he definitely crapped on religion in that way.
MLB is the animation community's Riverdale. It's a trainwreck but we cannot look away. Also like with Riverdale, the fic is better than canon. I love a lot of Chloe redemption fic, the MLB fandom has far less plotholes in their AUs, fics and headcanons, and unlike Astruc, who views stalking as okay if it's for love, the fans usually rewrite it so there's no stalking involved in their preferred ships, which makes it a lot easier to root for those ships. Also, a lot of fanfic writers are willing to put in LGBTQ+ rep, more non-white characters and make the Paris of the MLB universe reflect the very diverse, accepting way many parts of Paris look IRL. Astruc is a jerk. But the fandom is fantastic. Fan comics, AUs, fics, art, fan songs, there's just SO MUCH good stuff that I can't help but love it. It outweighs Astruc's negativity in a huge way.
On the Asian conflation of "no Chloe, sushi isnt chinese" actually historians have found sushi originated in china first! Which just makes the show double wrong with putting the Chinese guy in a Japanese cultural reference
I feel like MLB would be way less controversial if it changed two things: 1. Marinette shouldn’t be a stalker 2. Commit to a Chloe redemption arc or don’t. You can’t have both. Thoughts?
I can't believe I never realised it was this deep! I always noticed how little time they spent on Cat Noir's outfits, and how downplayed he is. Marinette is also very toxic, with the stalking, way she acts, and it is all solved because she is the main character. Plus, all her stalking and toxic behavior was simply forgiven because she had past trauma. Even worse, is that all characters had absolutely horrible - maybe even no - personality whatsoever. Marinette is, literally, a walking simp, Adrien has a completely different persona to Cat Noir, and Chloe's character arc was just a complete fail. I liked it more when Jeremy Zag takes control... he manages it maturely and no unnecessary drama.
As a black man who had a boom-box growing up, I asked this on Th3Birdman's critique of CimenaSins' video on Transformers The Movie(1986), and I'mma ask it here:"Who TF calls a boom-box a 'ghetto blaster?"
I’m late, but I can assure you that this is not a language barrier. And from what I have seen so far, Thomas Astruc is just a bad person which is really egocentric. Thank you for your good explanation. This is a great video.
Honestly, at this point, Jeremy just needs to take Thomas’s place 🤷🏻♀️ He even had the respect to address the problem and apologise, which is more then what I can say for some people.
But Thomas said that he has a lot more power now. Most likely they quarreled and split up, Jeremy will release a movie, and Astruc will stay with his show. I hope Jeremy really takes Astruc's place
Honestly I think Miraculous Ladybug would be better if the romance stuff was cut out in favor of having an overarching plot about figuring out Hawkmoth's identity.
Yep.The way they emphasised the awful romance is so cringe.It's basically "Oh no! Andre the ice cream man says Mari is not going to be with Adrien! What a tragedy! It's not like there's a villain that has no problem in enslaving people's mind that has the power to threaten people's lives!" I'm so sorry if this sounds as cringe,but that's how the story is framed to me-
Tbh, this inspires me. I want to be an animated series creator some day and seeing how someone with no knowledge about leadership, psychology, character design, development and relationships and story telling can make one of the most famous animated series makes me feel like the best writer/artist of all time
@@cristinamariabritodeolivei5991i guess they meant "if a manchild who worse at anything could make something that succesful and praised, why i wouln't while i know what to NOT do thanks to Thomas "Manchild" Asstruc? " which i believe a pretty solid arguement.
The reason why the animation quality has literally dropped so much is because they refused to pay SAMG a decent wage for the animators so they dropped out of the show. hence why they've gone with a much cheaper studio but bruh zag you have an in house animation studio that you barely use except for the movie. either way zag needs to pull his head out his behind and start paying the talented people for work for him actual living wages
I greatly dislike Thomas so much, his ego is laughably terrible. It's like he's projecting onto the version of Chloe he desperately wants canon that will never change and never WANT to change for the better. I'm glad he's gone from future seasons but there is no saving this show unless it gets a reboot and he's kept FAR away from the writing table.
I just love how your light makes you look teary-eyed throughout the video. That fits perfectly with how we all feel seeing all these…curious tweets tbh
I have no problem with Chloe staying bad, is an option too , but deny the fact that she suffers abuse and also make Adrien´s dad more "sympathetic" than her is plain dumb and makes the creator look like an hypocrite
I don't want to praise Zag for doing the right thing. Like you said, this is his company and the wage issue shouldn't have even been an issue in the first place
I started watching miraculous in 2016 and the only thing that keeps me in is all the incredible content that the fandom creates. Children shows usually have really toxic/weird fandoms, and I'm not saying that MLB fandom isn't toxic or weird but it is one of the most creative and talented fandoms I've ever been in. Making fanseries, fanfics and fancomics with complex lore and real character development, which are almost nonexistent in the actual series.
ngl, miraculous does have one of the most interesting *concepts* imo. it's interesting to think about the powers and lore of the show. however the way the show executes this is terrible. thomas has too big of an ego to accept ANY critique whatsoever, no matter how small or little it is. like, okay, some people are petty, but blocking people who respectfully ask something small? wth? also, why does he hate his fans? if i were him even if i had the same ego i'd at LEAST be appreciative of fanfics/theories. those mean that your fandom is popular- miraculous has one of the biggest fanbases on the internet. he can't even be grateful for that?
7:24 reminds me of something my English teacher said the other day, "no story is original", meaning, every single story that could've been invented has already been invented. There is no such thing as an original story, when the same situational archetypes and thematic elements in stories have been around as long as humans have been telling them. This is especially true with Miraculous lol
As someone who was traumatized by childhood bullies and saw older versions of said bullies and saw that they're still rude and obnoxious and mocking towards me as ever, I kinda understand the hatred that he has for his childhood bully. Forgiving and forgetting isn't something that just anyone can do, especially if it was traumatizing. But I would never base my own characters off of my bullies, like ew, no way, gtfo of my stories. Especially if it's a story that I want to become popular, a story that I want millions of people to read/watch. If you don't want a certain character to gain fans, then you shouldn't have created that character in the first place.
Miraculous Ladybug is an interesting show. As a teenager I don't think it should be a children's show for everything (even the lesson of the entire show) is about. I can't believe what all has happened. I still love the show but its the same thing and inches of development in 4 fricken seasons. I love the characters and the episodes are fun to watch,, but there are other shows in which have more interesting, promising content. Not angry just disappointed in what this show could have been and how the people act behind the scenes. Not setting a good role model for a kids show. Thanks for the video, very informative! 🙂
I find it ironic at 13:18 that he talks about hawk moth not repeating a plan that didn't work when that is what he does all the time! he tries the same thing over and over again and fails at every single instance. I Mean i love Hawk Moth as a character same as the voice actor Keith Silverstein but his plans, it really falls short almost everytime.
I remember I went to a ML panel at nycc in 2015(?) as a teenager. Jeremy Zag was there in person, and they showed sneak peeks or "spoilers" from the upcoming season. He told us to post videos & pictures from the panel on twitter and Instagram. It was a pretty exciting panel, they gave away action figures too. I excitedly posted videos from the panel on twitter only to see later that Thomas was furious at fans posting videos, thus spoiling the show, even though his boss was literally the one who told us to post on social media with hashtags. That was the beginning of the end for me but I also grew out of the show when I went to college. His social media habit of arguing with children online is so stupid and devoid of any critical thinking.
I find the fact that Choloe isn't going to get a redemption arc heartbreaking. There could have been so much experimentation with Chloe and Marinette's friendship that could have also shown Marinette's hatred for Chloe hopefully easing with many bumps along the way. It could have been a wonderful side plot and if we could have seen Chloe join with the others (Marinette, Alya, etc.) it could have been extremely satisfying. But no, Astruc decided to completely trash WHAT WE ALL KNOW WAS A REDEMTION ARC on what looks like a whim.
Why does he not just give Chloe her character arc? She was RIGHT THERE. All they needed was for any of the characters to give her that push she needed and then boom. Chloe could be a good person. Zoe could still come and be their friend and Chloe could show her around and try to get her friends and be an awesome supportive sister. Or Zoe could act the same way she did in NY and Chloe would try to get her to be herself. She could have an entire episode dedicated to helping her sister- Or something idk
