At 15:28 Soapy is bang on. This game doesn't work as an e-sport FPS battle royal (Maybe arena will be okay, but I have low hopes for that mode). The steps the devs have taken by removing the circle and adding statics, have made the regular player's experience so much more enjoyable. Which now that I think about it was timed well with the steam release.
For the love of god no esports. Please, no esports. Why do people want homogenized unfun classes in every game? Just let the devs make fun shit, PLEASE.
Looking forward to Monk in a big way. That said agreed with Wilson on Fighter perks. TBH they should make weapon mastery innate then add perks supporting broad weapon categories. (Slashing, piercing, blunt, etc.) That way fighter can stay vanilla and the skill could come from more weapon/weapon perk type mechanics more on the level of Longsword. Slashing weapons would bleed (hit and run) Blunt weapons debuff enemy action speed, etc. Shield blocking needs to be better too.
I had an idea once for a volcano map where lava floods from the bottom up to the top of the map, and the lowest level is where the best loot is. This would force players to run down quickly to risk the timer on the lava, and there could be some fun PvP while the lava is rising, with people trying to jump between safe areas. We could even get some of kind of volcanic skeleton subtype, as I like the trend we have with elemental skeletons.
I think making normals self found gear only mode would be great. Alleviates stomping with handcrafted kits from the marketplace and makes HR a more appealing mode
You mentioned having data that majority of people are playing normals. I'm curious what the breakdown is of solo, duo, trio. I believe they have said that they balance the game towards trios, but I am curious what the breakdown is and maybe if data shows majority of people are playing solo, adjustments towards that maybe. Is referring to this period of time(EA Season #3) of Dark and Darker's history as the Timocaust insensitive?
Jay speaks for all the downtrodden wizard mains out there during his mini rant. Wiz is by far the worst PvE clear class and got hit by far the hardest from the season balance patch. You only have one spell that’s useful in PvE and then you have to sit in a corner for half the match to get them back, every mob in the game has an insane amount of magic resist AND some with projectile resist so the majority of mobs are double dipping resistances into pretty much all of your spells. Crystal sword is worthless without access to true damage and almost obsolete with the addition of staff mastery. But the one thing wizard is supposed to be good at is PvP, as mentioned in this podcast heals are INSANELY STRONG right now and wizard spells do comparatively small amounts of damage, I can hit a team with 4 direct fireballs and they can group up for a sanctuary all be full + overheal and the same thing happens again with all 5 of my ice bolts and the second sanc. Then you find yourself completely out of your two best damage spells while cleric still has SIX DIRECT HEALS TO GO. Sorry for the long winded rant, I just pray Ironmace is able to cook up some changes with the next couple patches because without access to true damage wizard is utterly useless in PvE and nowhere near the glass cannon he used to be.
@@Yolosapien420 I’ve been a follower of his since his first few uploads, his stuff is really good but I’m nowhere near as good of a player as he is lol. All the love and respect to that guy for being a legend though.
Fighter feels a lot like Mario in Super Smash Bros. Definitely not the weakest just the default/base line that every other class's cool shit gets compared against. You don't feel weak playing fighter but you definitely feel less flashy
Considering that Dark and Darker is heavily influenced by Dungeons and Dragons, the devs could take inspiration in the TTRPG in order to fix some of the issues mentioned here. For example, for Wizard they could add cantrips: spells that have no cost to be cast. Zap could be one (with some toning down of course)
1:02:50 I just want to add, I’ve been playing since the playtests with a small break the past 2 months and I have NEVER killed a HR boss. This is mostly because I run solo a lot and don’t have a group. I’ve been on the GC leaderboards but have barely seen HR hell lol
IMO, Marketplace should never fully go away. At least keep it for crafting materials. Maybe have a way to guarantee a stat for crafting through a socket-like system where you van replace a random enchant(before it's crafted) into a guaranteed roll type. In terms of maps, I would like to see an Elemental themed map where each element has its own quadrant. With a miniboss elemental in each corner as a point of interest.
1:20:00 afraid people will quit because mobs? Because yes they will. The difference between souls and this game (ive played both). Is mobs in this game most of the time dont "feel fair". When you die to centaurs and demons or even skelly boys clearly if it was jay he would live but you dont feel like well if i just dodged it or spaced better. You feel like welp wtf was i even supposed to do there?? Even small things like not pressing S to back up but turning to the side and walking sideways is faster isnt something people just know. In elden ring even the hard bosses always feel like well i coulda just rolled this or played on this side got closer went further away etc. Its just more clear on how your being bad and its not the game. (Most of the time obviously elden ring and souls games have its fair share of bs.) Listening a bit further exactly what jay is saying. At the start of elden ring they teach you all the basic mechanics in tutorial cave which is optional. If dark and darker just showed me why its my skill thats the issue then when i die mobs im more frustrated at myself then the game because i know better then to hold S for example.
Not being able to trade gear would make finding amazing gear in the dungeon feel terrible if it’s not for your class. Imagine getting a 3% unique and oops it’s a bow and your playing a wizard time to vendor. Oh sick a ledgendary falchon! Time to vendor. Flesh out crafting and give more options for gear progression instead of taking some away.
Not sure how clarity works it sounds like you chug the pot for instant spell refresh. How about making it give you the campfire restore no healing so it still takes 16-30 seconds to get 2-4 spells back again
The combat feel is the only good thing about the game if we're being honest and that's only for specific classes until they nerf them. There's no balance whatsoever. No persistent progression. No respect for players time. It honestly wasn't ready for release even into early access. If anything they should have done a few more open playtests to get more feedback and looked into release in early access maybe middle to late 2025. Then you have a ton of the community screaming for a PvE mode that's actually fleshed out. I saw someone say they were just throwing sh*t at the wall and seeing what sticks and it really feels like it.
If market is removed then what is the point in making gold? I really like it and i thinks it's fits really good. Maybe you guys are saying this because you got backup kits and stuff but just imagine getting bis gear for a class that you don't want to play and just vendoring it. I think that would suck
Bard should not be coupled with Warlock and Druid about its design. It does not have any alternative playstyles. Soapy has it right. Bard and a lot of the older classes need to be developed far more.
you guys mentioned theres no cheese spots in abyss. there 100% is for rogues. rogues are so bad rn especially in abyss solos and duos. they can jump around the whole map with double jump cheese about 80% of all the mobs. its so annoying to not be able to get to a double jump spot especially when they can just escape using it and clear mobs 5x faster than every class by using the spots. landmining is also really bad rn.
It would be cool to have 4 man teams, but that might be a balancing nightmare, if you thought buffball was bad now, a bard, cleric and wizard buffing a frontline would be insane
I have a suggestion we should make anti loser mode basicly put all the dudes like Appolo on the same server all the dudes that plays 12 hours a day and has more than 500k gold and then let us normal people with jobs friends and girlfriends and aspirations play together we dont want sweats in our game thanks
They should do that blood temple map soma was talking about but do it like this. There is no blood and it’s bright out then after a certain amount of time blood comes down the temple, the moon becomes red, and all the mobs become elite/ngihtmare
With regards to re-designing the older classes (Fighter, Barb...etc)...there gonna be releasing new game mechanics updates in the place of multi-classing in the next year. I believe this update will add a lot more complexity and nuance to the older classes.
Wizards meditate needs to be almost instant, if im subbing additional spell memory for another skill that skill better be damn worth all 5 of the spells i couldve chosen in its place. Skills on certain classes are just so bad, i feel like a character skill should be game changing, in any other game with skills and even dnd when you use a skill it can completely change the outcome of fights. Edit:good video btw yall keep it up 👍
instead of bringing clarity pots back, wizards should have innate spell recovery like jay said, or an innate perk(baked in not equippable) that only wizards have where drinking any potion while its effects last restore spell charges based on grade of said pot
1:06:00 this raid idea would be a great replacement for HR. You guys seam to be in agreement that hr feels weird, to replace the hard pve mode just make a hard raid and bonus points if they make it more than 3 players on a team.
The game is in such a great point like you guys have mentioned. Fights feel good, Druid is fun, rogue is viable and barbarian is still the most fun class to me personally. I really want mobs to be more diverse like was mentioned with the ice abyss. I’d like to see mobs have more variants with weapons and it can show off weapons so people have more experience fighting against them like maces, clubs, bardiche, double axe, crystal sword, almost every weapon would be cool. Please give some love to other older classes and love to their other perks/skills not used often. More buyable cosmetics so I can show off in under 25 normals, the horn is so fun
As a solo rogue, I unfortunately cant experience the frost wyvern boss unless Iron Mace makes the late game material more solo accessible. It is what it is I suppose.
Great thing for DaD that Sodapoppin will come to the podcast. Only positive attraction of the public and probably even more players. Well done Soma🤘 P.S Pokelawls also said he would be for a podcast when asked in the chat.
Who do yall think would have a better time with solo self found, the people that grind the game everyday for atleast 4 hours a day and boss or the casual that gets off work and plays for a few hours and doesnt boss? They would lose so many casual players. Yall need to start thinking about things in a casual players mindset. Add a solo self found mode.
Market is for making kits and getting bis. Casual players arnt sitting in market after work to build a kit for 40mins before playing. I think only ssf doesn’t change anything for casuals but has high impact to ranked play. Yesterday my trio did our first 3 games of HR we got smashed by a team with 550GS each in the lowest rank. I know HR is meant to be punishing and hard but 550gs in lowest rank is too much
your talk about wizard gave me some ideas for buffs: zap could have a property where it refills one tick for all your spells if you hit it, would fit with the theme of the spell. or they could invent a new spell that does something similar. and I also like jay's idea with passive spell regeneration, personally I think it could be a perk OR you could have gear with "spell regeneration" as a new stat that passively refills spells and scales with knowledge so wizard would get the most benefit out of it
Does anyone know what Jay says at about 17:21? He and Ryan spoke simultaneously and it seemed as though the podcast understood him but after watching it over and over I just couldn't make out what he was saying. "You know they paid for the ____________ right?" and then Ryan responds with 100%.
I'm worried about the super long maintenances, they're quite frequent, they often get extended, and hot fixed. Is there a better way? More testing/incentives for testing like skins and shards etc? Any way of improving the patching process? I dunno I just want the game to stay healthy.
1:01:27 HR has a really bad design overall. Let's just go point by point to see how bad exactly it is. 1. To enter you pay cash. So, you go into minus with every attempt ABOVE your consumables. 2. To enter you pay your AP score also. 3. If you die in there, then you lose not only your equipment, which is fine, you lose your cash AND ANY AP SCORE YOU HAD. Which means, that you not only lose in gold value, in your equipment, but you also LOSE YOUR TIME IN VAIN. Because your time in game, your contribution to that game being possible and rewarding for those who win, isn't rewarding for YOU. HR is the stupidest way of spelling "casino with devil". And that house will ALWAYS win in the end.
@@inopnatum Yup. And even if you DID - say "Hello!" to your local barb/warlock PvP chimpanzee in all gold, ready to one-shot your sorry little arse and take all you equipment. And for all that time, effort and wasted equipment are not rewarded even with the SLIVER of AP you had accumulated. You get NONE. For filling in the lobby, for making this game possible, for spending your gold, time and effort - NOTHING.
I mean 100 gold is such a small amount of money though. If you die 1/3 times you're still making way more than the buy in both AP wise and gold wise. Tbh, if 100g seems like alot so someone, then he might not be for them. In regards to the AP, basically every ranked mode works like that where you lose rank when you die. It's supposed to be difficult
@@erich1380 1/3 times? I wonder what server you are playing at. More like rate of success is around 40%. Why? Here's why. In order to feel yourself comfortable and not die from sneeze - you need equipment. Which you can, SLOWLY, farm out in Normal dungeons, sure, but it is faster to try your luck and go in HR and earn the ability to go in HR. Or! To spend a LOT of gold for your gear. And that is already putting you in more, than mere 100g cost to enter. Continue. So, you now able to go in HR. HR is operating on the basic rules of Pareto distribution, if in unrefined terms it is 80/20 distribution law. And I highly doubt you being one of those 20%, I know I am not one for sure. What it also means, that other 80% of people are left with scraps if they EVEN SURVIVE the meeting with that golden 20% one-shot PvP chimp. And when you are in such scarcity, where 80% of plebs are left with 20% of the loot - the competition becomes WAY HIGHER, than it supposed to be, so chances for neutral or positive encounter between players is NILL. Which means - if you aren't playing rat, that goes in naked, loot the scraps and gets out ASAP - you are loosing resources ALL. THE. TIME. From just entering, to PvE accidents and constant highly competitive PvP for those scraps. And for all that - you are rewarded with NOTHING. I don't really care about gold. I don't really care about equipment. But I care about my time being wasted with no reward. And getting in HR is incredibly wasteful, since even if I win - I win scraps, I play solo. But most of the time I will die either to unreasonable PvE scaling or to PvP junkies, who's only idea of having fun is to ruin someone else's run and day for NO REASON. HR is SHIT. And it will stay as shit, if developers will not realize, that your time as player is valuable, and will give at least SOME amount of AP if you lose. You getting out of the dungeon with loot and kills on the belt should be MULTIPLIER of AP earned. Not the only way to earn it at all.
What if they made single-use spell scrolls that let you cast the spell for free? Or maybe wands or staves with a limited number of charges for a particular spell that you can cast for free? Or even cantrips which are level 0 spells that are intentionally weak but can be spammed infinitely.
anyone saying instant shapeshift needs a cooldown has never played druid and/or wants the class to suffer for no reason. if you want to nerf the panther-chicken tech you could just put a timer after the panther ability where you can't immediately jump after it. it only needs to be a 0.5 second timer or slightly more and panther-chicken tech doesn't work anymore. maybe it's not the perfect solution but putting a cooldown on instant shapeshift seems like a waaay worse nerf and would make the class clunky and less fun
Instant rat transform just seems to strong against any class other than a warlock. I love instant transform too but it is VERY unfun for anyone fighting it.
@@Zorkalot honestly I didn't have any problems against druids yet and a lot of the time I just killed them when they went rat. but I probably haven't fought against good players. I think to balance the rat you could increase hitbox or decrease movement speed and make it so the rat can only efficiently escape if you have your rat ability ready
@@oxOXChargeXOxo agreed. A good rat is extremly difficult to kill without a warlock or rouge with DOT affects. It’s super fun but it needs to be balanced to not allow someone to do it infinitely. It’s very annoying for new players too. Was trying to teach some homies the game and they spent over 7mins trying to kill a competent rat player. They aren’t that bad themselves, it’s just very hard to kill at rat as a fighter with only a crossbow. I like the idea of having to use rats ability to get good movespeed. The tiny size is enough of a benefit for kiting, I don’t think they also need base 323 move speed. It also just means rats ability right now of 20% increased movespeed or whatever is pretty useless as it only gives you 7 before you hit cap and then you get a movespeed slow after as well.
