@TheTrinityDelusion natural body of life without blood is DEAD! So what are u talking about? The spirit of God left that body on the cross and went to the lower parts of the earth to preach to the dead
@TheTrinityDelusion Jesus Christ that flesh and body the messiah the Son of God that flesh and Bone. The spirit of God was in that body til he cried out the second time saying: "IT IS FINISHED" Then that's when the Spirit of God left his body.. that breathe he took left out of his body!!!! Brother I'm a Bible study teacher called by God I teach this stuff
@TheTrinityDelusion Jesus was Alive then when the Spirit left after he said: " IT IS FINISHED/ IT IS ACCOMPLISHED. THEN that fleshy body died, but rose again on the 3rd day. And became a spiritual body as The Spirit of God breathed/went back into him
I began reading the scriptures when i was 33yr, 23yrs ago i started In the Beginning and followed the instructions in reading/searching scripture. While reading scripture it was always on my mind to not add nor take away from scripture. I did not know of any trinity teaching outside of scripture, however someone asked me if i knew of the trinity and they gave me a piece of paper explaing what it meant, it did not sit well with me in my mind nor my spiritual stomach which made me violently ill. My birth mother tried to explain it to me and even offered someone to contact me to explain it to me, i declined because i knew that God' word explains its self...God explains Himself. Many years have gone by and i have been studying about the origins of the trinity and all the nations have trinitys, but they are the trinity, ye shall be as gods, the serpent said and man has been trying to make God in their own corruptable image. Bro Kel, i thank YHWH our Heavenly Father for you, because over the years your studys make me think that we are family, by Spirit.
@@maxprescott9371 Always? Don't lie boy. The church fathers did not. Early Jewish Christians did not. Why do you lie through ignorance, as though you know anything.
That's why we should not dismiss the Torah (and Prophets) and only interpret the new testament in the lens of the Torah.. No Torah minded believer is going to fall for the false Trinity doctrine as it is vehemently opposed to such ideas
@@joevi2593 you are adding your own interpretation to those verses. Neither of them says that they are one God. Jesus also tells us that the Father, he and us (the disciples) are one, but that does not make us God.
I just found your channel a couple of days ago because someone linked to your Hebrews 1:10 explanation. Extremely helpful. I’m glad to see that you’re still making videos.
@@maxprescott9371 all I see from Trinitarians is belligerent screaming about heretics and trying to scare people with hellfire. Meanwhile non-trinitarians are just reading and studying scripture. I choose to study the scripture
@@ConciseCabbage Hello, thanks so much for sharing your thoughts 💭 “ I choose to study scripture “as you said, that is excellent , But that is only half the Solution to the Problem ! What about the History of Interpretation or Traditional Interpretation of the Biblical Texts,, what I mean is that one must consider the fact that the very Men who gave us The New Testament were ALL,yep , Trinitarians…True Historical Fact of Interpretation !!and then some self proclaimed theological genius comes along in the 21st century and tells True Christians they’ve been lied to for 2000 yrs,,, Trinitarian Theology has Full Biblical and Historical Support … WHY…. because they “choose to study the scripture “ as you said ! …. Peace ✝️💒✨👋
@@ConciseCabbage would also like to add concerning your last comment: Your words “ belligerent screaming about heretics “ as you said,, No screaming here ! Heresy is a reality in this case,, which side is it ?? Your Eternity does depend on which side you are on,, that is the simple Truth of it . Here are a few True Facts :: I can trace Trinitarian spiritual ancestry all way back to the Old and New Testaments and The Early Church,, where as Non- Trinitarian ancestry only as far back as the 4th century Heretic Arius,,,,, “Study the Past “📚💒👈
@@ConciseCabbageI Hope that you are reading this You probably don’t remember me but I am the person who linked you here to this channel in Give Light. The truth is brother this man Kel is a Liar because he won’t give you the verse that proves the trinity I want to apologize for misguided you the truth is that the Trinity is real and even the Prophet Isaiah testifies that the one God is at lest three persons Isaiah 63:7-10 Answering the Binitarian and Unitrairns Holy Spirit in John 15:26 Those are just titles that Jesus is giving to describe the One Holy Spirit again like I mentioned before this is the Same Holy Spirit that Jesus is talking about In Isaiah 63:10 it is not to point out that there is another helper other than the Holy Spirit but The Holy Spirit is giving titles just Like Jesus is given title Son Man is referring to not Elijah or David or someone else in Matthew 25:31-46 For Example the Father is given a title In Daniel 7:9 Ancient of Days sitting on a throne that which is the Father however Jesus in Mark 14:62 describes the father as the Mighty One does that mean the Mighty one is someone other than the Ancient of Days of Course not Mark 14:62 Jesus said, “I am. And you will see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of the Power, and coming with the clouds of heaven.” Why is Jesus saying the Ancient of days which is the Father the mighty one because that is to describe his Greatness Mighty One Just like In John 15:26 Helper the Spirit of Truth John 14:26 Helper, the Holy Spirit it's the same the person just as you see in Genesis 1:2 Spirit of God in (Matthew 3:16 Spirit of God and Luke 3:21-22 Holy Spirit the same person being described ) and Holy Spirit in Isaiah 63:10 and again Holy Spirit in John 14:26 Same person if you use your common sense Spirit of God Genesis 1:2 Matthew 3:16-17 and Luke 3:21-22 is not Jesus or the father but the Holy Spirit who is eternally distinct from the Father and the Son. So now my question to you my brother in Christ is the Holy Spirit Created or Eternal in Genesis 1:2 (Matthew 3:16-17 and Luke 3:21-22.
Another great teaching. Thankyou brother Kel for all your faithful work of teaching the Bible. So many brothers and sisters all around the world being encouraged equipped and blessed
I like how you closed with Yahshua's own words "I was dead" (Revelation 1:18).... If we accept the trinity, then we deny our own hope of the resurrection AND basically call Yahshua a liar for saying that he was dead.....
It's a heavily falsified pro-roman antisemitic feminist pagan heathen doctrine filled with lies. Rabbi Yeshua bar yosef 🐍 achieved the qimah disrobe (spirtual perfected) Unto like the Angels 😇 disrobbed (Died a consiounes being)
Idol worshipping Constantines sun is against our creators commandment (Torah 1 G-d) only he is your lord and savior the alpha omega,the beginning and the end 🙏 Judaism is month 1 G-d old babel religion polytheist doctrine of trinity is polytheism 3 g-ds. Trash 🗑 🚮 Whore of Babylon (Revelations)
@@bosse641What does “Jesus is God in a human body” mean? Does it mean that “Jesus” is another name for the one person who is God? And is the human body also occupied at the same time by a human spirit, or just Jesus/God? Or does it mean that Jesus is one of three gods with “God” power shared by the other two gods: the Father and the Holy Spirit? And that Jesus God is in a human body? Is there a human in the body at the same time this Jesus God is in there? Who died? Gods don’t die. Trinitarianism is Satanic. There is one GOD who is one person: the Father. Jesus is human. Jesus is not GOD. Jesus died and was resurrected by GOD. Jesus is a son of GOD, this not GOD himself. Wickedness is Trinity doctrine!
@@TheChadWork2001 ...I know, I was just trying to speak to what THEY believe. Jesus himself said that Father God is the only true God. And the apostles all said the same.
You could even go further with Isaiah 46:10 kjv. We are not the image of the Holy Spirit until the end....the end is the beginning or the beginning is the end! Hebrews 9:26-28 kjv 2 Peter 3:8 kjv.
He only went silent for lack of knowledge. Gen 1:27 affirms Gen 1:26. So God created man in His own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created He them. The word Elohim is translated God in this verse. The word Elohim is the plural form of El. "ohim" expresses a number of at least three. The use of plural personal pronouns (Gen 1:26, 3:22, 11:7; Ps 2:2-4; Isa 6:8; Jn 14:23, 17:11,21,22) is clear evidence of this. If we ignore the plain statements of Scripture about Him, and refuse to believe the many descriptions of God given by those who have seen one, two, and three separate persons called "God", then we will remain in ignorance.
... believe the many descriptions of God given by those who have seen one, two, and three separate persons called "God", then we deny the authority of Scripture and wilfully blind ourselves to the truth. 2Tim 3:16-17
Hello brother Kel. Some years ago I came across your channel and thought: "what kind of heretic is this?". Now a few years later me myself have become one of those "heretics". Thankful for your work. The humble will hear and be glad.
Did you read the Trinity Creed? It says God and Jesus are Homos!!! They kept the word in Greek to emphasize they are the same but also homos!!! Disgusting!@@TheTrinityDelusion
@@ken440 Glory to ~ God the Father,,,,, God the Son ( who came in the Flesh, The LORD Jesus Christ ) ,,,,, God the Holy Spirit ✨☀️💫 amen… the clear teachings of Scripture 📚
Dear Brother, I thank the Lord for using you to dismantle every last piece of the Trinity Doctrine, and for giving you undeniable, convincing arguments backed by scripture. May he continue to bless your understanding & teaching.
Good to hear from you. I actually was recently showing trinitarians how they don’t think “the Word” became flesh, but instead, they believe “the Word” got inside of a human body, not transformed into one Ask Trinis if God “became flesh” the way the water “became wine” and it’ll expose how they think that only the flesh suit of the God-person died They say God died, but what they really mean is, God simulated a death in a meatsuit.
the statement "the Word was made (became) flesh" has often been misunderstood to wrongly assert the divinity of Jesus the Christ which is contrary to the scriptural description of Jesus the Christ. Many fail to understand that Jesus is the restored image and likeness of YAHWEH (who is the Word) that was appointed of YAHWEH to correct the error of Adam the first image and likeness of YAHWEH. In deifying Jesus has caused many to depart from strict monotheism which is the core foundation of the Set-Apart Scriptures. YAHWEH Bless you for yor stance on promoting the One God.
The word(as it were), is identified as coming from YHWH's mouth and being sent forth to do His will, or carry out His will. That being said, and as the word is clearly personified in the son, and to the point of being called the word, the conclusion is that the word which became flesh, was none other than GOD's spoken commandment made alive in the flesh of the man Jesus Christ on earth. - and so as can be seen here, there really is no need for embellishments in matters, and as as find the pieces all fitting together perfectly, without the addition or removal of anything.
When I was awakened to the truth about the "Trinity", and wondered to God WHY so many not only believe it but teach it, the following verses suddenly came into my mind, like it was an answer to my question: "Who is a liar but he that denies that Jesus is the Christ [God's anointed one]? He is antichrist, that denies the Father and the son. Whosoever denies the son, the same does not have the Father: he that acknowledges the son has the Father also" (1 John 2:22-23) Usually, most people who defend it and teach it ARE indeed liars and hypocrites (in their personal life) because it's a doctrine from "the father of lies" i.e Satan himself (John 8:44). By the way, regarding "pretense", it's sadly consistent with their intrinsic belief (even if they don't admit it) that the birth accounts are "pretense" because if Jesus had "pre-existed" then the whole birth account is a charade, from the angel Gabriel telling Mary she will "CONCEIVE" a son (Luke 1:31) to the angels' announcement to the shepherds ("for unto us is BORN THIS DAY...": Luke 2:11.
@@leenieledejo6849 Youre correct. Trinitarians twist it to mean we deny Jesus is God. But its denying who Jesus really is and who the Father really is. John 17 v 3. The Father is the true GOD.
It's been my observation that many of the people believing the trinity are not so much duped, in as much as they are please with the belief - and even to the point of denying any and all scriptures that would otherwise work disprove the belief. That being said, and after several years of observing this, I've come to the conclusion that the doctrine of the trinity must therefore exist to satisfy a need, and that those believing in the doctrine are not so much deceived as they are satisfied with the belief. In other words, I'm not sure they are as deceived, in as much as they are getting what their own hearts desire. - my two cents of course
@@SmalltimR They are, indeed, duped because they literally believe God is three persons in one. The scriptures that clearly teach otherwise are often taken completely out of context and are dishonestly interpreted in a way to support their doctrine. Trinitarians unfortunately control the narrative; which grants them massive authority and support within Christiendom.
Brother Kel I'm really getting sick and tired about Trinitarians making the Word of God a person and also the Holy Spirit. God is a Spirit (John4} he is not Flesh and bones like Jesus said to his Apostles in Luke 24 36 ¶ [l]And as they spake these things, Jesus himself stood in the midst of them, and said unto them, Peace be to you. 37 But they were abashed and afraid, supposing that they had seen a spirit. 38 Then he said unto them, Why are ye troubled? and wherefore do [m]doubts arise in your hearts? 39 Behold mine hands and my feet: for it is I myself: handle me, and see: for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have. 40 And when he had thus spoken, he showed them his hands and feet.
And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth. Jn 1:14
people ask me "Where did Messiah go when he died" . simple answer, well the scriptures say he was buried in a tomb, so yeah um that's where he went. Making Messiah into a dichotomy of a separate deity, God the Son, and then also at the same time son of God the man/flesh, is a huge problem. Rather then seeing Messiah as ONLY the son of God (a man descendant of adam), and not a pre-existent incarnate deity.
Trinitarians believe the phrase Son of God is a title. Those Trinitarians who actually know their own doctrine Jesus is not The Son of God because he was begotten in the womb of Mary by God (his Father). Nope He is the Son of God as a title - like Charles is titled His Royal Highness King of England.
Especially since the Hebrew word "Messiah" means "anointed BY God". And of course, the Greek translation is "Christos" (Christ). One often wonders how different people's understanding would be if every time "Christos" is mentioned in the New Testament, the translators instead had used "the annointed one (sent by God)". But of course the translators were Trintarians so that's why they kept the Greek word and didn't translate it 😢
Yep.. "MessiYah" is literally what Messiah says in Hebrew, the name "Yah" (poetic short of YHWH) is literally in the hebrew characters, the "yod" and the "hey", of the term Messiah . Meaning "Anointed of YHWH"@@leenieledejo6849
The Principle of Non-Contradiction (often referred to simply as the Law of Non-Contradiction) is one of the fundamental laws of logic. It asserts that contradictory statements cannot both be true at the same time and in the same sense. In other words, a proposition and its negation cannot both be true simultaneously. This principle is foundational to rational thought and logical reasoning and is crucial for ensuring consistency in arguments, beliefs, and reasoning processes. Definition of the Principle of Non-Contradiction: Formally, the principle is expressed as follows: * A statement cannot be both true and false at the same time and in the same sense. For example: * If A represents a proposition, and ¬A represents the negation of that proposition, the Principle of Non-Contradiction states that A and ¬A cannot both be true at the same time.
I decided not to dwell long with people who are so duped and their minds are so muzzled by religious demons that they can't even comprehend THREE word phrase but they "know" for sure what John had in mind writing his first chapter: ➡️ Son OF God. OF, OF, OF, OF, OF, OF GOD, OF GOD, OF GOD, O F GOD, O F GOD, OF GOD.. Is there something more to say ?
And one can even translate it "God's son". Because "fils de Chuck" or "hijo de Chuck" would be how one would translate "Chuck's son" into French and Spanish, for example. It's the same with "Lamb of God" (God's lamb). How can God's lamb be God? And how can Jesus be the "second Adam" (a CREATED BEING) and the Creator?? The mind boggles. Religious indoctrination and false loyalty is such a stronghold 😢
Yehoshua even disproves the trinity, he could have said this is how you pray to me. When Yehoshua said, pray Our father who art in heaven... he said our father, his father Who art in heaven Hallowed be your name.... he didn't say hallowed be our name/my name Thy kingdom come, thy will be done.... Yehoshua said thy, not our kingdom come, my will be done On earth as it is in heaven Give us this day, our daily bread... here Yehoshua says give us this day, and our daily bread, not my daily bread And forgive those who trespass against us... Yehoshua says us, not me Lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil... again, he says us, not me For thine is the kingdom, the power, the glory... Yehoshua says, Thine ... not my/ours but yours Yehoshua gave us how to pray to Father, his father, our Father, his God, our God.
The picture of Jesus on the cross on the video is a painting by D.Velasques ( the painters painter) I immediately recognized it.Glad I did, interesting video.
Thanks again brother Kel for another powerful sermon exposing this false doctrine which dealt christianity a near mortal blow some 2000 years. Your videos continue to be a light in rescuing many from darkness. I pray that God with continue to strenghten you through his risen son our lord.
I just discovered your channel. I appreciate this teaching on the Trinity as it’s been a stumbling block for me. I’m not sure exactly what I believed before researching, and now I’m even more confused. I shall keep studying! I have a bit of an off topic question. What eschatological view do you hold? After researching not only how many false teachings came to be so prevalent, who originally pushed for them and why, it also led me to read many of the great theologians in history. I was taught the dispensational preTrib rapture doctrine, but have seen how false that is. I’m now realizing the historicist view matches Scripture with little effort. Thank you for your response. God Bless
Kingdom Eschatology kind of like George Eldon Ladd's view is probably the easiest way to generally describe my eschatological beliefs (with several caveats). Beyond saying this, there is far too much to explain in this little box. When I was an "Evangelical" the pre-trib rapture doctrine was the first doctrine I rejected, the first of many.
Notice how the Gnostic heresy of Docetism, the teaching that Jesus merely "appeared" to be, made its "comeback" into the "mainstream"... Both Irenaeus and the heretics he was exposing had their own version of the same heresy. The heretics according to Irenaeus believed that at the baptism, another person ("The Christ") came upon the man Jesus at his baptism and took over his body like a flesh suit. Irenaeus believed this happened at the conception of Jesus in the womb. When The Christ came down and took up a flesh suit with the name Jesus. Same heresy. One just beat the other at the polls. The Scriptures tells us Jesus himself was born. The same Jesus was the son of David. The same Jesus is was made God's messiah. Jesus died on the cross. The heretics of yesterday and today put qualifications on all of it. For example, they say: "Jesus' flesh was born" "Jesus' flesh died" They literally deny what the Scriptures plainly says.
I found my people. I am not a polytheist as main stream Christianity would conclude. Yeshua is my King, My Savior, My High Priest and also My Brother. We serve the Most High.
@@c19comandante57No, because the word "adon(a)i" does not mean "God". Abraham was called "adonai" and David called Saul "adonai". It means "lord" in the sense of "master". Sometimes in Scripture it refers to "God" but not always. Even the Calvinists at Got Questions admit this fact. Look it up. In Psalm 110:1, the Hebrew says: "Yahweh said to my adoni". Any honest person would admit that that's TWO DIFFERENT PEOPLE: God & my Lord.
@@c19comandante57dont worry, we are in the home field of blasphemers and heretics, we just gotta stick together 😂 Ive been debunking this guy’s videos all day its hilarious
Great video. Years ago I joined the Seventh Day Adventist (SDA) church. After a several years, I discovered that the original SDA denomination that was formed in 1863 did not believe in the trinity doctrine. I also learned that the SDA General Conference "officially" brought this doctrine into the church in 1980. After studying the issue intensively for a couple of months, I resigned from the SDA church. Many others are leaving the SDA denomination over this issue. My question to you, if you would be interested, concerns another teaching of the SDA church. What do you think of the 7th day Sabbath? There are some protestant denominations that keep the 7th day Sabbath.
The children of God aren't concerned about letters on stone. God is Love and He Himself dwells within them and His children walk by His love the highest moral standard and against which there is no law.
I like your videos, but I think youre wrong concerning the Sabbath. Its the only day, both blessed and sanctified. When was it unblessed and desanctified? @@TheTrinityDelusion
@@astutik8909 Greetings! "Therefore, since a promise remains of entering His rest, let us fear lest any of you seem to have come short of it. For indeed the gospel was preached to us as well as to them; but the word which they heard did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in those who heard it. For we who have believed do enter that rest, as He has said: “So I swore in My wrath, ‘They shall not enter My rest,’ ” although the works were finished from the foundation of the world. For He has spoken in a certain place of the seventh day in this way: “And God rested on the seventh day from all His works”; and again in this place: “They shall not enter My rest.” Since therefore it remains that some must enter it, and those to whom it was first preached did not enter because of disobedience, again He designates a certain day, saying in David, “Today,” after such a long time, as it has been said: “Today, if you will hear His voice, Do not harden your hearts.” For if Joshua had given them rest, then He would not afterward have spoken of another day. There remains therefore a rest for the people of God. For he who has entered His rest has himself also ceased from his works as God did from His." ---Hebrews 4:1-10 Until Christ be fully formed in us all, -james
For me, it would certainly help if you were to explain how this word as flesh was reconstituted as flesh and then risen to the right hand. It could certainly be that the explanation of these councils (their attendees) and individuals seem more plausible....and without a need for a trinity.
God bless you brother Kel. Do you have a link I can ask you questions? For now, do you have a teaching on Isaiah 63.8-9? I watched a RU-vid someone used this to prove the trinity. Please help. Thank you.
@frankhung7511 I studied that and found this: *1. mighty god* el - is translated as God (mighty, strong, powerful) - el - doesn't specify deity, can be tree, mountain... Gibbor - translated as mighty (champion, warrior, hero, leader) - both of word mean mighty one, just slightly different way el gibbor ("Mighty God") - is refered also to people Ezechiel 32:21 el - doesn't need to be God as we use it elohim - are called angels, judges of Israel in Bible ? could Isaiah describe a human baby as real Mighty God ? *2. everlasting (or eternal) father*, can be translated as father of eternity, possessor of eternity - modalists believe that Jesus is Father (not trinitarians :-)) - Jesus said that nobody should be called Father, as only the one is the Father in heaven, so Jesus shouldn't be called Father Orthodox Jewish Bible: (where is the Father) Yeshayah 9:6 Orthodox Jewish Bible (OJB) 6 (5) For unto us a yeled is born, unto us ben is given; and the misrah (dominion) shall be upon his shoulder; and Shmo shall be called Peleh (Wonderful), Yoetz (Counsellor), El Gibbor (Mighty G-d), Avi Ad (Possessor of Eternity), Sar Shalom (Prince of Peace). www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=isaiah+9%3A6&version=OJB
John14,23-29 23 Jesus answered him, “Those who love me will keep my word, and my Father will love them, and we will come to them and make our home with them. 24 Whoever does not love me does not keep my words, and the word that you hear is not mine but is from the Father who sent me." we are obligated to love G-d alone, now explain how can The Son/Jesus say this? how can he condition love towards him, and only then the Father will love us? (this is not loving neighbour who has show love to us, this is different, this is mandatory salvation love)
Wat these trinitarians don't get if they believe Jesus was God the Almighty then really there was no sacrifice as the Almighty can not die plain&simple 1CORINTHIANS 14:33 God is not a God of confusion
If the trinity is true then YHWH is a liar. "I even I am YHWH besides ME there is NO SAVIOR" Isaiah 43:11 There is no other but ME. Isaiah 45:5-7. "To the ONLY wise Theos and Savior"....Jude 1:25 KJV original text. Proof that the NT has been edited. Other NT versions added Jesus Christ. This was done thruout the NT. And the last paragraphs of Revelation are also edited to promote a lie.
lure God into reaching out to them......I don't think so, I think the more you learn the more you pray to be in his fold. Without spot, covered with the Holy Spirit, the bible tells me to fear God, if I think I can lure him, do you really think I fear him?
We all leave our “man suits” behind. Jesus said to the thief on tbe cross “ Verily I say unto thee, Today shalt thou be with me in paradise.” The thief’s body won’t be in paradise, the body was left behind. But the one thief was given the gift of salvation to live in paradise, as we all should aspire to do.
"Dust you are and to dust you shall return." - God DUST you are and to dust you shall return. Dust YOU are and to dust you shall return. Dust you ARE and to dust you shall return. Dust you are and to dust YOU shall return. Dust you are and to dust you SHALL RETURN. Don't believe God much? It was Greek pagans and the Gnostics who believed they went up yonder to heaven when they died. Not a Jewish or Christian belief. The Christian hope is the resurrection of the body. Its all in your Bible there.
I believe God. 1 Corinthians 15:35-58 35 But someone may ask, “How will the dead be raised? What kind of bodies will they have?” 36 What a foolish question! When you put a seed into the ground, it doesn’t grow into a plant unless it dies first. 37 And what you put in the ground is not the plant that will grow, but only a bare seed of wheat or whatever you are planting. 38 Then God gives it the new body he wants it to have. A different plant grows from each kind of seed. 39 Similarly there are different kinds of flesh-one kind for humans, another for animals, another for birds, and another for fish. 40 There are also bodies in the heavens and bodies on the earth. The glory of the heavenly bodies is different from the glory of the earthly bodies. 41 The sun has one kind of glory, while the moon and stars each have another kind. And even the stars differ from each other in their glory. 42 It is the same way with the resurrection of the dead. Our earthly bodies are planted in the ground when we die, but they will be raised to live forever. 43 Our bodies are buried in brokenness, but they will be raised in glory. They are buried in weakness, but they will be raised in strength. 44 They are buried as natural human bodies, but they will be raised as spiritual bodies. For just as there are natural bodies, there are also spiritual bodies. 45 The Scriptures tell us, “The first man, Adam, became a living person.”[a] But the last Adam-that is, Christ-is a life-giving Spirit. 46 What comes first is the natural body, then the spiritual body comes later. 47 Adam, the first man, was made from the dust of the earth, while Christ, the second man, came from heaven. 48 Earthly people are like the earthly man, and heavenly people are like the heavenly man. 49 Just as we are now like the earthly man, we will someday be like[b] the heavenly man. 50 What I am saying, dear brothers and sisters, is that our physical bodies cannot inherit the Kingdom of God. These dying bodies cannot inherit what will last forever. 51 But let me reveal to you a wonderful secret. We will not all die, but we will all be transformed! 52 It will happen in a moment, in the blink of an eye, when the last trumpet is blown. For when the trumpet sounds, those who have died will be raised to live forever. And we who are living will also be transformed. 53 For our dying bodies must be transformed into bodies that will never die; our mortal bodies must be transformed into immortal bodies. 54 Then, when our dying bodies have been transformed into bodies that will never die,[c] this Scripture will be fulfilled: “Death is swallowed up in victory.[d] 55 O death, where is your victory? O death, where is your sting?[e]” 56 For sin is the sting that results in death, and the law gives sin its power. 57 But thank God! He gives us victory over sin and death through our Lord Jesus Christ. 58 So, my dear brothers and sisters, be strong and immovable. Always work enthusiastically for the Lord, for you know that nothing you do for the Lord is ever useless.
@cryptojihadi265 I’m not even sure if anyone is disputing a point. This is my first time listening to this speaker and I’m really not even sure what’s happening. Apparently this council has the belief of semantics that technically a body went through some suffering but God did not, and because of this our sins were never paid for. Apparently it’s only pagan belief that your soul goes to heaven and I need to read the Bible because it’s all there. Iv read about how God entered this world through the womb of a virgin to reveal himself in the form of man who still needed to eat, drink, and breath oxygen to be here in the form of flesh and blood, because he entered through birth and not a heavenly body. Jesus explains that there will be a place in heaven, for the ones who have accepted the gift of forgiveness. Since we can not get to heaven due to our sinful nature. After God establishes his kingdom paradise on earth our souls will resurrect with our bodies and still live in heaven because heaven will be…on earth. Trying to follow up on more videos so I can get an understanding where the speaker is coming from.
Greg, same here, but I am in New Zilland where we say fush an chups. Very few non trinity here, theres only two more in my city of 30,000 and thats because I converted them. LOL. It gets better and you could try the UCA, they have a worldwide register.
Acts 5 NKJV 3 But Peter said, “Ananias, why has Satan filled your heart to lie to the Holy Spirit and keep back part of the price of the land for yourself? 4“While it remained, was it not your own? And after it was sold, was it not in your own control? Why have you conceived this thing in your heart? You have not lied to men but to God.”
The Holy Spirit isn't a god of its own or a separate god of a trinity, the Holy Spirit is the spirit of the Father, it belongs to him. 1 Thessalonians 4:8 "So, he who rejects this is not rejecting man but the God who gives His Holy Spirit to you" Notice God gives his Holy Spirit, so how can the Holy Spirit be a separate god of some false trinity if it God who gives "HIS" Holy Spirit out...in other words when Peter said Ananias lied to the Holy Spirit, Peter is meaning Ananias lied to God the Father since it is his Holy Spirit.
But I know who will suffer the lake of burning sulfur. All the liars who decieve the whole world. Even I am indignant about this evil. Leave my lord Yeshua be.!!!
Throughout the history of the Church, there have been attempts to disfigure the identity of Christ by detaching the Christ whom we encounter in the Gospels from the God of the Old Testa- ment. The first known and perhaps most infamous attempt was made by Marcion, who argued at the beginning of the second century that Yahweh was a different God than the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, describing the former as violent and wrathful while the latter is loving and compassionate. Views of this sort are most often debunked by demonstrating the love and compassion of Yahweh in the Old Testa- ment. The commands to love God and neighbor are drawn from the Torah, specifically Leviticus and Deuteronomy. His mercy and com- passion are continual themes in the Psalms. It can, however, be equally refuted in the opposite direction. The Christ who walked in the Garden and cursed the serpent, who destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah, who led the people out of Egypt and commanded Joshua’s armies is the same Christ whom we encounter in the four Gospels. The Christ of love and compassion and mercy whom we encounter in the Gospels and the teaching of the apostles that make up the rest of the New Testament is the same Christ whom we encounter in the judgment of Revelation as the avenger of innocent blood. Although true Marcionites are few and far between today, softer forms of this heresy live on, for example, in the tendency to ignore or allegorize away indications of the triune God and the Person of Jesus Christ in the Old Testament. This is often coupled with one- dimensional, caricatured understandings of the Person of Christ in the New Testament. In other cases, latent Marcionism may express itself through denying that God has any wrath at all, against the consistent testimony of Scripture, the Fathers, and the liturgical tradition of the Church. It sometimes even goes so far as the heresy of universalism, the idea that all humanity finds salvation without reference to free choice. Against any such view, the Epistle to the Hebrews reminds us that Christ is the same yesterday, today, and forever (13:8). His charac- ter has never changed and never will. He is the God who calls us to repentance through the certain knowledge of coming judgment and the God who pours forth His mercy and forgiveness when we turn from our sin to follow Him. He is coming soon, and His reward, for both righteousness and wickedness, is with Him.
Peace be with you my brother It s easy to debunk the trinity. The trinitarian God is 3 in 1, and each one is different . Therefore, they have a God with multiple personalities. Being created in the image of God, therefore , the trinitarian must have multiple personalities. We , on the other hand , have one personality with a God with one personality, The Father. Amen God bless you Fun fact: the two concile of nicea were held in Turkey, close to Pergamos where the throne of Satan dwelleth. Rev 2:2 I wonder if Satan had some king of influence on those men who changed two of most important commandements in the Bible, the sabbath and diminishing Our God to a God with multiple personalities.
you guys are a bunch of scripture twisitng deceivers. Just because you cant understand it doesnt mean its not true. Jesus is God keep coping: 2 Peter 1:1, Titus 2:13, acts 20:28, Hebrews 1:8-12, Romans 9:5 Colossians 1:16, colossians 2:9, John 10:30-33, Luke 8:39, Luke 10:18, Phillipians 2:5-8, Revelation 1:17-18, Revelation 5:13, Mark 6:50, Matthew 1:23, Revelation 22:12, John 17:5, 2 corinthians 4:4
God the Word always was and is immortal, and yet he himself actually and truly was mortal during the incarnation period pre-resurrection. -Contradiction ✅ -Consistent with John 1:1 truly ✅ Great indeed is the mystery of godliness. ”And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.“ 1 Timothy 3:16 KJV
@@TheTrinityDelusion My position is not absurd, except to the carnal mind. Come on over to the side that can actually believe all of John 1 :-) And it’s ironic that you agree with the historic Trinitarian quote you provided in the video where they refer to my position as madness. Hmm….
@@ProjectCouldAccording to Jesus in Matthew 16, the carnal mind wouldn't understand that he is son of God and anointed one of God (Messiah/Christ) because "flesh and blood" did not reveal the truth about his identity to Peter but his "father in heaven" revealed it!
What exactly is your Christology? Do you have a video summarizing your view? From this video, it seems the problem has more to do with the doctrine of the hypostatic union, which i must admit smells of gnosticism, as you demonstrated, than the idea of God being a trinity of persons, in one divine essence.
If Christ were not God, then the crucifixion (one of the core events/principles of Christianity) wouldn't really mean anything. Not only would a created being not have the power to zero out all of out debts the way God would, but also having a created being die instead of God himself would mean that God didn't care enough and decided to make it someone else's problem. So, if Christ was not God, then God is a jerk and no one has actually been redeemed.
@@TheTrinityDelusion1 Corinthians 2:14-16 King James Version (KJV) But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned. let me tell you some truths? we know from scriptures that only God heals Yes? in case you don't know ? Jesus also heals. So that makes Jesus God as well. Case closed
Who is the 3rd person of the Trinity besides Jesus and God? They say the Holy Spirit right? Then how can you change, God is HOLY (ADJECTIVE) and God is SPIRIT (ADJECTIVE) by HOLY SPIRIT being NOUNS???
At the beginning of your video.your quote from the Council of Ephesus 431 A.D. who wrote what you quoted ? you cant just quote it and dont show who wrote it.because back then there were a lot anti-christians beliefs that contradicted the Bible.
The NT is speaking about spiritual death and life. The blind guides, scribes, who edited the NT didnt realize this and made up the whole crucifixion story. All made up as the Psalms prove as well as hebrews 5:7. Flesh and blood profit nothing. We must all crucify our old man so our new Adam can arise.
@gustav1235 The word became flesh when he was transferred from heaven to the womb of a Virgin, The word became immortal when he was resurrected.. Jesus did not have immortality, only Jehovah had immortality.. Until he gave his first born son immortality at his resurrection from the dead.
It began at the Jordan. The word of God is the word of life, the bread of life. This word, this bread, was Jesus' food for life. Jesus received this word from God in the Spirit at the Jordan.
All that the trinity delusion said above is correct except the word became flesh at the jordan..the word, which was a title possibly for the man who became jesus, became flesh when he was transferred from heaven to the womb of a virgin....not that it makes any doctrinal difference if you think it happened at the Jordan or at the birth or at the moment of conception...it does not matter as far as I can tell....but taken literally it would be at the moment of conception, or birth if you wanted to get technical on it...all the titles mentioned apply to the word, but when the word became flesh...does it matter?..it didnt happen when jesus was made immortal nor on the 3rd day because he became a spirit then not flesh anymore.
When Jesus was resurrected, it was his flesh that was resurrected. You wont find anything in the bible which says he, or the future immortal saints, don't have flesh anymore@@leecooper3852
People who believe in the trinity are actually practising idolatry, whether they believe it or not. & idolators will not inherit the Kingdom of God according to Paul.
I don't, but you will be surprised how many who reject the Trinitarian faith would disagree with your observation. Personally, I think it's a serious misjudgement to promote a false sense of security concerning those who wilfully partake in this form of idolatry. Peace
Jesus is the word because He is the expression of the heart of God. Jesus Christ himself lays this principle 'For out of the abundance of the heart his mouth speaks'(Luke 6:45). Trinitarians like to mystify the concept of 'the Word' and then come up with all sorts of evil concepts such as Jesus not really being the son of God, and not really dying.
Yes, God's word to us is His love and He manifested that love in the fleshly man Jesus who kept His word. It was his bread of life for his body of flesh, resurrection life.
1 John 4 : 1-3, says that Jesus Christ came in the flesh. In the long list of names of our god you will not find CHRIST because the epithet of christ is designated only to Jesus. So we now know that it was actually Jesus who came in the flesh....not God.
trinity is HERESY UNBIBLICAL IDOLATRY EN BLASPHEMY !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! the SHEMA is the GREATEST LAW OF ALL LAWS christ is our ONLY HUMAN MEDIATOR timothy 2,5 en christ own words JOHN 17,3
AĹ THAT WAS WRITTEN ABOUT THIS JESUS IN MOSES TORAH PROFETS, PLAMS FROM GENESIS THE BLESSED VIRGIN MARY BEING WITH CHILD AND THE DRAGON( WHO WAS HERARD) WANTED TO KIĹL THE CHILD. JESUS IS THE BEGINNING AND END AMEN
Why did you quote John 1:1 wrongly? Is it because it establishes the trinity 😅 Can you please quote it correctly? In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was WITH God, and the Word was God.
The logos becomes flesh Everytime a repenter is begotten of the Fathers incorruptible seed. I Peter 1:3, I Peter 1:23, James 1:18 kjv or greek. This is the miracle conception and later the miracle new birth. It was a spiritual story that was literalized by lying scribes to deceive us. Jer 8.8.
Well technically John's speaking about the "logos" becoming flesh, is him simply saying the Divine Plan/promise of YHWH has manifested in history, ie become a reality.. John was a Jew. He seen the logos as the 'debar' in hebrew. which is the promise or plan of YHWH. which was given to Abraham. well when messiah came then that Promise (logos) became a reality (ie flesh).
Those councils were just lack of understanding, but they still saved. Trinitarian believe that the humanity of Jesus Christ the God man is only had been ADDED to His divinity, so you hit the bull's eye on that one, I give you that 👍. So John 1 : 14, what was really meant in this verse is that the Word became the body & soul (flesh) of Jesus (chromosom Y), just like the Word also toke Mother Mary's flesh (chromosom X, Gal 4 : 4 kjv). And in the Son of God since the beginning of all (Psalm 2 : 7, Isai 43 : 10 - 11, John 5 : 26 - 27 kjv), there are the Word & the Spirit of the Lord. So the Word suffered & was dead (Rev 2 : 8 kjv), but of course the Spirit of the Lord (Isai 40 : 13, II Cor 3 : 17 kjv) never dies! Are your own spirit die too if you die, bro? Certainly not, so just repent and acknowledge the Triune God. Stop misleading people, the trinity is 1 Substance, 1 Person, 3 God Head, and 1 Will of the Triune God (John 10 : 30, John 14 : 9 - 11, I Cor 8 : 6, Col 2 : 9, I Tim 2 : 5, Heb 1 : 3, Jam 2 : 19 kjv). Repent!
You say that there is only 1 Will of the triune God. So when Jesus prayed to God in Gethsemane, he said: "yet not as I will, but as you will". Jesus and God didn't have the same will, therefore they aren't one being.
@@RufusBlad There are 2 Wills of our Lord Jesus Christ, because the Will of the trinity is not the will of the flesh. And the Son of God, the Word precisely, not the Spirit of the Lord, had became flesh (body & soul/ mind). This flesh of Jesus has its own Will. That's why Jesus said that if anything He said just came out from Him only, not from the Father, then His testimony would be invalid (John 5 : 30 - 31 kjv). But now is different, although Jesus is the Son of man until forever, but He now doesn't have flesh & blood, He is in His glorified Body. So there is only 1 Will of the Triune God now, though still have 3 God Head, the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost/ Paracletos. Gbu for asking.
@@mrgeorge1888 What you say is not correct according to the ecumenical councils. 451 AD in the council of Chalcedon, they agreed upon that Jesus has "Two Natures (or wills) unconfusedly, unchangeably, indivisibly, inseparably". So even now, when taken up in glory, he has two natures according to orthodox christology.
"He will be CALLED the son of the Most High.." In youth people CALLED me worm because I was slim. 😅 Had I become a worm by nature because they called me worm ?
@The Trinity Delusion if God the Son flew away like you are saying, it's because He come from Heaven, and the Good news, i have for you is this? He will be back to judge the world. And the bad news for you is? i wouldn't want to be in your shoes as an unbeliever that you are, about the Trinity, when He does come back.
A key example of how the Hebrew Scriptures express the multiple persons of the God of Israel is the figure of “the Angel of the Lord” in the Torah. In the text of the Old Testament, this figure is identified as Yahweh, the God of Israel, and yet acts as a Second Person who interacts with both Yahweh and humans. The first such encounter took place in the initial meeting between Moses and the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, when God revealed His name to Moses. Exodus 3:2 indicates that the “Angel of the Lord” appeared to him in a flame burning within a bush. But in verse 4, when Moses approached, it was “God” who called to him from the midst of the bush. Upon hearing this call, Moses covered his face because he was afraid of seeing God (v. 6). The reference to “the Angel of the Lord” in verse 2 distinguishes this Person from that of Yahweh through the use of Hebrew grammar, but in the subsequent interaction, the Angel identifies Himself as the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. In this encounter between Moses and God, the Angel is both identified as Yahweh and distinguished from another Person who is Yahweh. A more complex interaction occurs when God appeared to Gideon in Judges 6. In verse 11, the Angel of the Lord sat under an oak tree and called to Gideon, who was working on the threshing floor, to tell him that the God of Israel is with him. Gideon was skeptical, given the oppression the people of Israel in Canaan were currently facing from Midianites-a sure sign that God had forgotten them. In response, “Yahweh” turned to him and spoke (v. 14). As with Moses’ encounter with the burning bush, the God of Israel identified Himself as Gideon’s interlocutor. At first glance, it seems the Angel of the Lord is Yahweh Himself. However, the matter was not that clear cut, at least not for Gideon, who apparently perceived his guest to be a human prophet or messenger, evidenced by his offer of hospitality. Once food was brought out, the Angel of the Lord told him to set it on a rock, at which point He touched it with His staff, and it was consumed by fire as a sacrifice (vv. 20-21). Finally, the Angel of the Lord disappeared. It was only then that Gideon realized to whom he had been speaking and was afraid, since he had seen the Angel of the Lord face to face. In verse 23, Yahweh responded to this concern: although the Angel had departed, Yahweh was still there. Possibly the most significant appearance of the Angel of the Lord, however, occurs during the Exodus of Israel into the wilderness. In Exodus 23:20, God told Moses He was sending an Angel before Israel to guard them and lead them into the Land of Promise. Israel, so Moses is warned, must listen to this Angel and not rebel, because God was placing His Name in Him. This “Name” is itself an Old Testament expression of the Person of the God of Israel. For example, the temple in Jerusalem is described as the place in which God will place His Name. Thus what God is trying to communicate to Moses is that Israel must obey this Angel because the Presence of God is within Him. If they follow the Angel’s commands, their enemies will be God’s enemies (v. 23). Incidentally, this language would later form much of the basis of St. John’s Christology. In his Gospel, he repeatedly characterizes God the Father as being “in” Christ (see John 14:11, 20; 17:23). Saint John’s purpose in doing so, similar to that of the Angel of the Lord in Exodus, is to remind us that to hear and obey Christ is to know the Father; to rebel against what Christ says is to be at enmity with Him (see John 8:19; 10:22-39; 14:7). This reference to the Angel of the Lord in Exodus is not an anomaly. Throughout God’s covenant with Israel, He identified Himself as the One who brought them out of the land of Egypt (Ex. 20:2; Lev. 11:45; Deut. 5:6). After Israel’s sojourn ended and the conquest of Canaan was complete, however, in Judges 2:1, the Angel of the Lord said, “I brought you up from Egypt and brought you to the land that I had promised to your fathers.” The Angel then revealed that because Israel disobeyed Him, He was now departing and would no longer fight for them against their enemies. When the Angel explained this to the Israelites, they wept bitterly in response (v. 4). That the Angel both conveyed this message to the Israelites and traveled from Gilgal to Bokim reveal that He was a Person who had been physically present with and accompanied Israel throughout the preceding forty-plus years. This appearance of the Angel of the Lord demonstrates that even the earliest traditions of the Old Testament reveal a second hypostasis of the God of Israel, who both is Israel’s God and is Himself a Second Person of Yahweh. When this is taken into account, many New Testament passages considered allegory or reinterpretations of the previous revelation can be seen to be quite literal. The New Testament authors identify this Person as the One who became incarnate as Jesus Christ. It was in this spirit St. Paul believed the Angel of the Lord had been with Israel in the wilderness and that Israel’s God had stood on the rock before Moses struck it to produce water (Ex. 17:6). Thus he could proclaim that the rock that followed Israel in the wilderness “was Christ” (1 Cor. 10:3-4). Likewise, Jude, in the earliest and most reliable manuscripts of his epistle, could simply say that Jesus “saved a people out of Egypt” and afterward “destroyed those who did not believe” (1:5).
Regarding JOHN 1:1 .. There are more than 70 different Bible translations .. ( that do NOT say ) ... "and the Word was God" Here's just a few ... ** Archbishop Newcome's New Testament, Improved Version 1809: " The Word was in the beginning, and The Word was with God and the Word was a God" ** Coptic text Translation ( Jenott 2003 ) " In the beginning existed the Word, and the Word existed with God, and the Word was a God." ** Wilson's Emphatic Diaglott, The ( Interlinear wording ): " In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with the God, and a god was the Word." ** George Horner's Sahidic Translation into English ( 1910 ) " In the beginning was being the word, and the word was being with God, and [a] God was the word." ** New Testament being the English Only ( Kneeland 1823 ): " In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the word was a god" So clearly, Jesus ( the Word ) is ( WITH GOD ) and " a god " - NOT almighty God PSALMS 83:18 (King James Version) "That men may know that thou, whose name alone is JEHOVAH, art the most high over all the earth". Jehovah ( ALONE ) is GOD.
I would like to take this opportunity to convey my own findings from research on matters While it certainly is common for people to either, present the words in John 1.1 in favor of their beliefs, the scriptures reveal that there is far more to the use of the title(of the word), that most people today care to admit - for example; Did you know that the word by which YHWH GOD created all things, was introduced or referenced long before the book of John was written? Likewise, did you also know that the word, by which all things were made, was revealed to be a personification of YHWH's spoken will and commandment? Now to most people today, such details may not prove substantial with regard to their particular beliefs - though as it turns out, there is far more to the use of the title of the word in the book of John than first meets the eye - let's consider; Upon looking at the word by which YHWH created in Psalm 33.6-9, the word is described as coming out of GOD YHWH's mouth, and who is then commanded by YHWH to do His will - see Now at first glance, I think most people would agree that such styles of writing, as is the use of the title(of the word), is figurative in nature, and as we conclude that the only begotten son of GOD(Jesus), at that time, would not have literally come-out of His Father's mouth. Though interestingly enough, and as the ancient Hebrew language would have it, such styles of expression were commonplace throughout the Old Testament, in-that GOD's attributes would often be presented as personifications, and in reflection of YHWH's nature, as a GOD of agency - see To which I would add, the use of the term agency, is specific, in that YHWH makes use of agents(angels, prophets, humans, nature, etc, etc) to carry-out His will. And moreso, that we find the title of the word used in such a fashion, and in retrospect to Jesus' own role in the fulfilment of His Father's will in creation. And so, what's most interesting with this, is that John 1, is not an introduction to a new concept with regard to the word, but moreso, it is a bridging the gap, by associating the word outlined in the Old Testament with the only begotten son. Taking note, that such information as Jesus being the instrument of creation by GOD, would not be known until the NT writings, and that the words in John 1, are therefore the culmination of this revelation. Long story short, and fast-forwarding to the point in question, there is not need whatsoever for the addition of 'a' with the word being GOD at that time(see; ...was GOD), and as we conclude that the word in question, is YHWH's spoken will and commandment. And in very much the same way we would look-upon GOD's beautiful and wonderous creation, only to conclude that it is ultimately GOD - ie, a reflection of His love and creative abilities, will being done, etc, etc, etc. - think about it, and most of all pray about it - take care, and GOD bless
@SmalltimR At JOHN 1:1, Jesus is called [ THE WORD ] .. meaning (SPOKESMAN). So, the question becomes .. WHO is Christ a spokesmen for ? Is it not God ? EXAMPLE : EXODUS 4:16 and EXODUS 7:1 say Jehovah made Aaron a SPOKESMAN for Moses and .. Moses was as [ God to Aaron and to Pharaoh ] ** So do you ALSO actually believe that Moses is almighty God ? Surely not ! EXODUS 4:16 (New King James Version) "So he shall be your spokesman to the people. And he himself shall be as a mouth for you, and you shall be to him as God." (New American Standard Bible) "He shall speak for you to the people; and he will be as a mouth for you and you will be as God to him." EXODUS 7:1 (American Standard Version) "And Jehovah said unto Moses, See, I have made thee as God to Pharaoh; and Aaron thy brother shall be thy prophet." (Aramaic Bible in Plain English) "And LORD JEHOVAH said to Moshe: “See that I have given you as a god to Pharaoh, and Aaron your brother shall be your Prophet"
@@KK-AA-YY Those are very interesting observations That said, have you read the points raised in my comment, and if so, what are your thoughts on the provided details and relative conclusions?
@@SmalltimR Do you know the history behind it ? There's ( NOT ONE ) Bible scripture that backs up the Trinity doctrine because it's a .. Late 4th century invention that was LITERALLY (( VOTED )) into place by the Paganized Roman Catholic Church, And Spearheaded by Constantine, who was not even baptized at the time. (( So he was NOT a Christian )) This VOTE took place in 381 C.E. If the Trinity were true, it would have ALWAYS BEEN TRUE .. No need for some VOTE .. 300 + Years AFTER the death of Christ !! ** That's solid proof that the Trinity doctrine is NOT Biblical !! Anyone can look up the ORIGIN of the teaching and see for themselves.
THE TITLE “SON OF Man” is best known by most readers of the Scriptures as the title Christ most often applies to Himself, a rare thread running through all four Gospels with utter consistency. In fact, other than references to the Hebrew Scriptures and a single instance in the Acts of the Apostles, this title occurs in the New Testament only as self-references spoken by Christ. When Christ used this term, however, He was drawing on an Old Covenant tradition that had already been well defined by His time. Accordingly, the idea of a particular divine figure known as the Son of Man had formed within the Second Temple period, and many of Christ’s references are incontrovertibly to that figure. To understand who, by this title, Christ was claiming to be, we must answer the question the crowds asked of Christ: “Who is this Son of Man?” (John 12:34). The English translation of the title itself can be somewhat misleading. In its Old Testament uses, including its earliest, it includes the term “man.” In this pairing, however, two different Hebrew words are being translated as “man.” And so, Numbers 23:19, for example, would better be translated, “God is not a man, that He should lie, or a son of Adam, that He should change His mind.” This title refers to one who is a son of Adam, not merely the son of a human father. The phrase “son of” is itself a Hebrew idiom. A son was seen to be the image of his father-to be someone’s son meant a person’s character reflected that of his father. For example, the name of the apostle “Bar-nabas” literally means “Son of Encouragement.” On the other hand, Judas Iscariot and the Antichrist are at times referred to as “son[s] of perdition” (John 17:12; 2 Thess. 2:3), and Christ rebuked those who opposed Him as sons of their father the devil because they lied and sought to murder Him (John 8:44). The term “Son of Adam,” then, means not only that a person is human (calling a person a man or a woman would be sufficient to convey that), but also that the person possesses a trait characteristic of Adam. Christian readers at least since St. Augustine have tended to see in Adam the archetypal sinner who passes sin on to his physical progeny. This, however, is not the way Adam was seen within the Second Temple period that formed the background for the New Testament texts. Adam was seen rather as the one who brought death to the human race. He is not so much seen as the origin of human sin as the origin of human mortality. Yes, it was his sin that brought about this effect, but the corruption in humanity was seen to be produced by subsequent events in the Book of Genesis and as a result of death and mortality, rather than the reverse. Adam as the source of mortality can be seen in New Testament texts such as John 8:44 cited above, in which the devil is described as having been a murderer at the beginning, and in the contrast between Adam and Christ made by St. Paul in Romans 5:12-17. More importantly, when the phrase “Son of Adam” is used in the Hebrew Scriptures, it serves to remind a human of his mortality, weakness, and fragility, as in Job 25:6; Psalm 8:4; 144/143:3; 146/145:3; and Isaiah 51:12. “Son of Adam’ is also the title God consistently bestows on the Prophet Ezekiel, living as he does in exile. The title is likewise used in reference to the Prophet Daniel in exile (Dan. 8:17), but in addition to references to “sons of Adam,” the Book of Daniel also contains the figure who would become known as “the Son of Man” in Second Temple literature. In Daniel 7, Daniel received a vision that predicted a succession of human empires that will dominate the known world in sequence. At the end of the sequence, Daniel beheld a scene of judgment, in which the God of Israel, the Ancient of Days, sits enthroned in the divine council and passes judgment on the wickedness of these empires and all the nations of the world. As one product of that judgment, God takes away the authority (exousia in Greek) from these nations but allows them to continue to exist for “a time” (7:12). It is then that Daniel saw one “like a Son of Man” who comes up before the Ancient of Days riding on a cloud, to whom is given all the authority that was taken away from the nations of the earth. This establishes for this Person an eternal Kingdom. Daniel’s description of this Person has two important parts. The first is obvious in Daniel’s description: this figure appeared to him as “like a Son of Man,” meaning He appeared to Daniel to be a human person. The second factor is less obvious and is contained within the image of this figure riding on the clouds. Among ancient peoples, not only in the ancient Near East but in the surrounding nations as well, riding on the clouds of heaven was a representation of a deity. Deities such as Baal and Zeus rode on the clouds of heaven. For obvious reasons, Israel reserved this language solely for their God, as is the case in Psalm 104/103:3-4, read in every Vespers service, and Isaiah 19:1, to describe the power and glory of Yahweh. This imagery helps to explain why Daniel would describe the human figure he saw as being “like a Son of Man” rather than just declaring Him to be a man. This double depiction would not have been lost on the original Jewish readers of Daniel, who referred to this figure as “the Son of Man.” Second Temple literature is filled with identifications of this figure and how He came to be. As a divine figure, He was seen to be a hypostasis of the God of Israel Himself. Some traditions saw this figure as the Messiah to come who would be a divine figure (see, for example, 1 Enoch 48:2-10); others saw this figure as a divinized human from the past, such as Enoch or David himself. New Testament scholars vehemently debate how Christ uses the title Son of Man to apply to Himself in any given instance. There are, however, several instances that very clearly refer to this apocalyptic figure from the Book of Daniel as developed in the religious tradition of Christ’s time. Christ makes clear reference to the Son of Man coming on the clouds in judgment at the end of time in Matthew 13:41, 24:30, and 25:31; and in Luke 21:27. Possibly the clearest instance, however, is in Mark 14 (and the parallel passage in Matthew 26:57-68). On trial before Caiaphas and the Sanhedrin, Jesus was asked directly if He is the Messiah (Mark 14:61). Likely, this question was posed to make sense of the lack of evidence against Him so Caiaphas could make the case that Jesus was a dangerous political dissident destined to bring down the wrath of the Romans. His response, however, went further than the questioner had intended, in that Jesus not only answered with “I am,” but went on to identify Himself as the Son of Man who will come on the clouds of heaven in judgment (v. 62). Caiaphas’s extreme reaction-tearing his clothes and saying that all in attendance had heard Jesus utter blasphemy (v. 63)-shows not only that Jesus’ response was not what he had hoped to hear, but also that the Son of Man was considered at this time to be a divine figure. Claiming to be the Messiah descended from David was not blasphemy, but claiming to be God was. Christ’s identifying Himself as “the Son of Man” is important both in a general sense and in its particulars. As we have previously seen, the New Testament writers unambiguously associated the Person of Jesus Christ with the second hypostasis of the God of Israel, described as the Angel of the Lord or the Word of the Lord. In this case, in addition to the New Testament writers (as in Rev. 1:13), it is Christ who identified Himself as that same figure. In its particulars, however, while we have already seen a Second Divine Person embodied in the Old Testament, this figure seen by Daniel is explicitly one like a “son of Adam,” meaning that this figure is both divine and human. Further, Daniel’s vision frames the mission of Christ and even establishes the distinction between His First and Second Advents. The culmination of the mission of the Son of Man is that the authority (exousia) of the nations is taken away from them and given to Him. Indeed, Christ announced before His Ascension that this has taken place when He said, “All authority (exousia) in heaven and on earth has been given to me” (Matt. 28:18). While the nations and, in particular, Rome, the last of Daniel’s beasts, will continue to exist “for a time,” as Daniel prophesied, these nations have been judged, and the Kingdom of Jesus Christ has been established, which will endure forever. The mission of the apostles, which they bequeathed to the Church, will continue through this time, until Christ returns in the same way that He ascended, on the clouds of heaven, to judge the living and the dead.
If anyone simply reads the Bible its clear as day that Jesus Christ is the son of God from Genesis to the NT. The star that would arise out of Israel that would be the everlasting King, the Son of David to sit on the throne forever. The teachers of this garbage will be under heavy judgment I hope God opens their eyes
@@Dlee-eo5vvThe philosophical speculations and theological wranglings of carnal men leading up to trinity doctrine in the first few centuries hardly seem the work of God compared to His clear teachings in the Prophets, Apostles, and Christ.
@@TheTrinityDelusion Science explains it best (in my opinion) energy can’t be destroyed it only changes form. Jesus went through a transformation called death (which to the 5 senses appears in a deceptive way as destruction) and was transformed back into what we call alive. So we are both correct. Death is not from God but the father of lies. All the enemy can do is lie or distort the truth. Jesus is the truth and the life. Whoever is one with God as Jesus is one with God can never die unless Jesus was dishonest.
In addition to identifying Jesus Christ as the Second Person of Yahweh in ways that were consistent with appearances of the Word of the Lord in the Hebrew Scriptures, St. John in his prologue also draws on a parallel set of traditions from the same Scriptures that understood the Second Person of the God of Israel to be the Wisdom of God. Understanding this tradition and its import for early Christology links Christian concepts of the relationship between Christ and the Father on the one hand and Christ and creation on the other. Much of this tradition centers on the personification of Wisdom in Proverbs 8, in which grammatically feminine terms are used. The central portion of this passage features Wisdom proclaiming: Yahweh possessed me at the beginning of His way, from before His works. From eternity, from the beginning, I have been established, from before there was an earth. When there was no abyss I was brought forth, when there were no fountains pouring forth waters. Before the mountains were set in place, before the hills I was brought forth. When He had not yet made the earth or the fields or the first dust of the world, when He prepared the heavens, I was there, when He drew a circle on the face of the abyss, when He established the clouds above, when He strengthened the fountains of the abyss. When He assigned to the sea its limit so that the waters would not trespass his command when He marked out the foundations of the world, then I was beside Him, a master craftsman, and I was His delight, rejoicing before Him day by day, always. (Prov. 8:22-30) The verbs here translated “possessed” and “brought forth” have a more ambiguous meaning in Greek than in English and can imply creating or making. This argument was used by proponents of Arianism to argue that Christ came into existence at a specific point (albeit before the rest of creation) and therefore was not eternal. This interpretation, heretical though it may be, reveals that by the fourth century, the above passage was firmly connected to the Second Person of Yahweh and to Christ. The Arian reading of Proverbs 8 was, at best, a misinterpretation. The Hebrew verbs in question do not directly indicate a coming into being of someone who did not previously exist. In verse 22, the Hebrew verb for “possessed” (qanah) was used often in regard to commerce, to convey the buying and acquiring of property. It can also refer to possessions already acquired. The Phoenician cognate, mqna, refers to property or wealth. Its most important biblical usage, however, is in Genesis 4:1. Eve uses this verb to say that she has acquired a son from Yahweh. What makes this usage important is the parallel in Proverbs 8 between this verb describing the relationship between Yahweh and Wisdom and the verb used in verses 24 and 25, here translated “brought forth.” The verb here, chul, literally means to writhe or twist, usually in pain. Its most common application, particularly within the writings of the Prophet Isaiah (23:4; 26:17-18; 45:10; 54:1; 66:7-8), is to childbirth. The parallel of these two verbs in this text reveals a relationship between Yahweh and Wisdom of begotten-ness. The Son is begotten of the Father before any of creation came into being. This text is, in fact, the origin of the teaching of the Church that Christ was begotten of the Father before all worlds. While several texts in the New Testament apply the Greek term monogenes to Christ (see John 1:18; 3:16), this Greek term is better translated “unique” or “one and only” rather than the “only-begotten” of the King James Version. The prologue to St. John’s Gospel draws directly on the theme of Christ’s involvement in Creation expressed here in Proverbs. His statement that the Word was “in the beginning” not only refers to the opening words of Genesis but also parallels the language of Proverbs 8:22. That the Word was, in the beginning, with or alongside God parallels verse 30. That all things were made by Him and without Him nothing was made that was made (John 1:3) draws on the portrayal of Wisdom as the master craftsman working alongside Yahweh during the days of Creation recounted in Proverbs. Saint John thereby presents Christ as the Logos-become-flesh in multiple senses. He is not only the figure of the Word of Yahweh seen by the Fathers in the Hebrew Scriptures. He is also the Logos as the plan and structure of all creation. He is the One in whom all created things find their origin, their purpose, and their perfection. Saint Paul can, therefore, call him the Wisdom of God (1 Cor. 1:24) and also say that in Him all things hold together (Col. 1:17). Though He is begotten, He did not come into being from not-being but rather has the status of the Firstborn over all creation (Col. 1:15).
'islam', as you call it, does not; Believe Jesus was the prophesied Messiah Accept Jesus came from heaven Accept Jesus' ransom sacrifice Accept Jesus as the son of GOD sent to save us
Nonsense. Islam says Jesus wasn't the son of God, didn't die and wasn't resurrected from the dead. And their "Allah" is the polar opposite of the God of the Bible.
@leenieledejo6849 Yep that's what I was referring to. Exactly what you said. Cant remember this video but I think it says pretty much same thing as quaran
