Why Jehovah's Witnesses are wrong about The Trinity: Part 1 

What is a wicked unbiblical lie is the trinity. There is no such thing as the trinity. Anyone who believes in a trinity is just as apostate from God and from Biblical truth as are the jehovah's witnesses.

Have you said no to the God of Jesus?

Although it is of course true that the JW's have nothing to do with the Bibles Christianity, they are however correct about there not being a trinity. The trinity is a false manmade CONcept. Just as the JW's are completely apostate from God so too is anyone who believes in a trinity.

@@bretherenlee1404No, but ur Governing Body has been disrespecting His Son with an unscriptural remembrance of Him, teaching its members that He’s not their Mediator, & that salvation comes from ur obedience and affiliation. Pls don’t go down this rabbit hole w/ me, b/c I will light u up w/ every single literature printed from 07/1879 to current exposing the truth about this religion.

@@bygeorgehemayberite8385 are you here saying no to the trinity and yes to the God of Jesus? Are you here giving a thumbs down to christmas and easter and other things not in the bible? We know the Watchtowers are wrong about how they conduct the Memorial and their teaching of Jesus just being a Mediator for a few. Does that mean that you will join in and destroy the trinity which also is not in the bible?

@@bretherenlee1404Clearly u haven’t watched the video, & clearly u don’t know what the definition of Trinity really implies. The word Trinity is not found in the Bible, however are their Two Almighty Gods? Are their Two Alpha & Omegas? Are their two “I ams?” Are their Two Mighty Gods? Either the answer is yes or no. If it’s Yes, then that contradicts the entire Bible. If the answer is no, then maybe the nature of God is something u need to further examine. So often men have put a cap on what God is, can do, etc. Why? B/c men have placed themselves as the mouthpiece of Him vs. just reading the Bible. The Bible interprets itself, it doesn’t need outside spokespeople to say what it means. This video was completely littered with scriptural passages. I have no idea why u brought up those other items, & I’m assuming u thought u made a point w/ it. How about this; how about u listen to this video, read all the passages presented, read them in full context & draw ur own conclusions.

Because JWs are a cult.

Their more interested in growing beards these days 😂

Oh! Really?? Well I'm not a Jehovah's Witness but just like your churches that I've attended, I've attended theirs too. So what truth do you think they don't believe in that's in the Bible. Because while I'm not a Jehovah's Witness, I have extensive knowledge of what the scriptures say. I spent 5 years in prison and all I did was read my Bible's (all 5 of them) every single day from 7:30 in the morning to 5:00 in the afternoon. So what truth do they not believe in that's in the Bible. Because I promise you that I'm about to show you some truths that you're gonna deny and reject. I guarantee it. But please do explain the truths that the don't believe in.

@@ScottRock-mr6qk Grow a spine and admit it that you are part of them, NOBODY will ever defend a non christian denomination if he/she is not part of them.

really where is the world trinity where anywhere in scripture and how come it can be shown to be a man made doctine goole it study it dont just belive it cos your told too

Even Origen called Jesus as the most ancient of all the works of creation ------For the holy Scriptures know Him to be the most ancient of all the works of creation. nOTICE , MOST ANCIENT of ALL THE WORKS OF CREATION.. thus Jesus was part of the creation and he was the most ancient, the eldest, the first in time of that group

WHO IS OVER ALL? Ephesians 4:6 one God and Father of all, who is over all and through all and in all. GOD and FATHER is OVER/ABOVE ALL and that "All" includes the SON so they are NOT EQUAL THE BIBLE teaches that Jesus was MADE As Lord and Christ and as Son (ACTS 2:36, Prov 8, HEB 1:5), CREATED/PRODUCED/INSTALLED (Prov 8) , COME INTO BEING/MADE (Mat 21:42 - egeneto) and GIVEN LIFE by the Father - John 5:26 and it uses TODAY (Heb 1:5), and uses future tenses and is a prophecy in Isa 9:6 (Isa 9:6, - WILL BE) . If you are called MADE AND CREATED AND GIVEN LIFE, and NEVER CALLED in the BIBLE as Creator or Maker , then you are A CREATION. ALL FROM THE BIBLE From the Lord was this (this is referring to the chief cornerstone who is Jesus) , the word WAS is egeneto (made or came into being) - Matthew 21:42 and the exact Greek word used in John 1:3 - MADE, egeneto (came into being) - JESUS WAS MADE/CAME INTO BEING FROM THE FATHER , yes, Jesus was MADE/CREATED!, See also Acts 2:36, Heb 1:5, 1 john 5 Isa 9:6 the word Prince in the Prince of Peace means PATRON ANGEL also Leader. WHO IS the ONE LEADER that we have? Jesus. Now, that same exact Hebrew word was used for Daniel 12:1 which is used for Michael the Archangel. So are you saying there are MANY LEADERS now?

you are praising a guy who is an antiChrist, that pretty much tells how much duped you are

An Ex JW who doesn't know the answers? Wow!

@@jimjuri6490 JWs don't know the answers.

WHO IS OVER ALL? Ephesians 4:6 one God and Father of all, who is over all and through all and in all. GOD and FATHER is OVER/ABOVE ALL and that "All" includes the SON so they are NOT EQUAL THE BIBLE teaches that Jesus was MADE As Lord and Christ and as Son (ACTS 2:36, Prov 8, HEB 1:5), CREATED/PRODUCED/INSTALLED (Prov 8) , COME INTO BEING/MADE (Mat 21:42 - egeneto) and GIVEN LIFE by the Father - John 5:26 and it uses TODAY (Heb 1:5), and uses future tenses and is a prophecy in Isa 9:6 (Isa 9:6, - WILL BE) . If you are called MADE AND CREATED AND GIVEN LIFE, and NEVER CALLED in the BIBLE as Creator or Maker , then you are A CREATION. ALL FROM THE BIBLE From the Lord was this (this is referring to the chief cornerstone who is Jesus) , the word WAS is egeneto (made or came into being) - Matthew 21:42 and the exact Greek word used in John 1:3 - MADE, egeneto (came into being) - JESUS WAS MADE/CAME INTO BEING FROM THE FATHER , yes, Jesus was MADE/CREATED!, See also Acts 2:36, Heb 1:5, 1 john 5 Isa 9:6 the word Prince in the Prince of Peace means PATRON ANGEL also Leader. WHO IS the ONE LEADER that we have? Jesus. Now, that same exact Hebrew word was used for Daniel 12:1 which is used for Michael the Archangel. So are you saying there are MANY LEADERS now?

Mr.DC3.1914 has a screw loose. I do not suggest engaging with him. If you are looking for some scholarly books on the Trinity, I suggest reading some stuff by Fred Sanders. God bless.

@@BasicBiblicalTruth I quoted ALL FROM THE BIBLE, and you just attack me just because I refuted you and you think that 1=66. O MY. Even Origen called Jesus as the most ancient of all the works of creation ------For the holy Scriptures know Him to be the most ancient of all the works of creation. nOTICE , MOST ANCIENT of ALL THE WORKS OF CREATION.. thus Jesus was part of the creation and he was the most ancient, the eldest, the first in time of that group

Even Origen called Jesus as the most ancient of all the works of creation ------For the holy Scriptures know Him to be the most ancient of all the works of creation. nOTICE , MOST ANCIENT of ALL THE WORKS OF CREATION.. thus Jesus was part of the creation and he was the most ancient, the eldest, the first in time of that group

@@Mr.DC3.1914 and why should we listen to Origen? What makes him know it all?

No it wasn't beautifully done. The trinity is nothing but a lie. Created by Constantine and his pagan ways. There was no trinity in the Old Testament and in Malachi God said I an the LORD and I do not change and yet 2 pages later in the New Testament in Matthew oh look he lied to us and changed. That not how the Bible works and that's not the God I love with all my heart. And that's not the Jesus that I put my faith in. The Bible says to know the Son is to know the Father and you people have no clue as to who and what Jesus is and was before he came to earth as a man. He wasn't God that's for sure. And doesn't Jesus himself say that your to Love your Father with all your heart, soul, strength and might??? Yes it does. Yet you think it's supposed to be Jesus that your supposed love with all your heart, soul, strength and might. Well your wrong. I do honor Jesus because I know who and what he was. You haven't a clue as to who and what he was.

@@ScottRock-mr6qk _" The trinity is nothing but a lie. "_ Your problem is that you are biblical knowledge bankrupt. John 1: 1 said *GOD,* nothing about *a* god. Isaiah 9: 6 said that *HE IS GOD THE FATHER* , nothing about a lesser god. Isaiah 41 / 43 and 44 says God is *FIRST AND LAST* Rev 1: 17 and 22: 13 says that *JESUS IS FIRST AND LAST* And so we can go on for many more solid examples out of the Word of God But as usual, spiritual blind fools will read the Bible everyday for 5 years while in prison, and when they walk out of that prison, they will still find themselves in a spiritual prison for the rest of their life's.

@@nonconformist4802 And Exodus 6:3 says that YHWH is God Almighty and Yeshua without the vowels is YSH NOT YHWH. So Jesus is not God Almighty. And I don't know where you came up with Jesus is the Father when he says himself that he's the Son. And since it's clear to me that you have no understanding of the Bible. Move along Slow Mo. Your below me. Way below me. I tell you what, if you can answer two questions, I'll talk with you. Get it wrong or reject either of them and we're done. Ready? What was Jesus before he came to earth as a man?? Say God and were done. And 2nd, was Jesus the beginning of the creation by God?????

@nonconformist4802 Your understanding of the Bible is a made up fabrication. Based on church leaders that have taught you nothing but lies. Because that's what they do. You're either a Catholic or You're a Baptist. Guaranteed. Because I used to be married to a catholic woman. And I felt as dirty as one would when he crawled out from under his truck that oil and grease was leaking all over the place. And if you're not either of those you're still a follower of the Catholic churches because all religions today are nothing more than branches off of Catholicism. The Baptists say oh yeah we believe in the trinity too but we don't pray or worship saints so we're gonna do things our way and the Methodist are right behind them and Protestants and Lutherans and Evangelist all of them. All religions are just followers of Catholicism. What day of the week do you attend church on?? Yeah the same day the Catholics changed it to. Sunday. And that's not the Sabbath. Fool.

WHO IS OVER ALL? Ephesians 4:6 one God and Father of all, who is over all and through all and in all. GOD and FATHER is OVER/ABOVE ALL and that "All" includes the SON so they are NOT EQUAL THE BIBLE teaches that Jesus was MADE As Lord and Christ and as Son (ACTS 2:36, Prov 8, HEB 1:5), CREATED/PRODUCED/INSTALLED (Prov 8) , COME INTO BEING/MADE (Mat 21:42 - egeneto) and GIVEN LIFE by the Father - John 5:26 and it uses TODAY (Heb 1:5), and uses future tenses and is a prophecy in Isa 9:6 (Isa 9:6, - WILL BE) . If you are called MADE AND CREATED AND GIVEN LIFE, and NEVER CALLED in the BIBLE as Creator or Maker , then you are A CREATION. ALL FROM THE BIBLE From the Lord was this (this is referring to the chief cornerstone who is Jesus) , the word WAS is egeneto (made or came into being) - Matthew 21:42 and the exact Greek word used in John 1:3 - MADE, egeneto (came into being) - JESUS WAS MADE/CAME INTO BEING FROM THE FATHER , yes, Jesus was MADE/CREATED!, See also Acts 2:36, Heb 1:5, 1 john 5 Isa 9:6 the word Prince in the Prince of Peace means PATRON ANGEL also Leader. WHO IS the ONE LEADER that we have? Jesus. Now, that same exact Hebrew word was used for Daniel 12:1 which is used for Michael the Archangel. So are you saying there are MANY LEADERS now?

WHO IS OVER ALL? Ephesians 4:6 one God and Father of all, who is over all and through all and in all. GOD and FATHER is OVER/ABOVE ALL and that "All" includes the SON so they are NOT EQUAL THE BIBLE teaches that Jesus was MADE As Lord and Christ and as Son (ACTS 2:36, Prov 8, HEB 1:5), CREATED/PRODUCED/INSTALLED (Prov 8) , COME INTO BEING/MADE (Mat 21:42 - egeneto) and GIVEN LIFE by the Father - John 5:26 and it uses TODAY (Heb 1:5), and uses future tenses and is a prophecy in Isa 9:6 (Isa 9:6, - WILL BE) . If you are called MADE AND CREATED AND GIVEN LIFE, and NEVER CALLED in the BIBLE as Creator or Maker , then you are A CREATION. ALL FROM THE BIBLE From the Lord was this (this is referring to the chief cornerstone who is Jesus) , the word WAS is egeneto (made or came into being) - Matthew 21:42 and the exact Greek word used in John 1:3 - MADE, egeneto (came into being) - JESUS WAS MADE/CAME INTO BEING FROM THE FATHER , yes, Jesus was MADE/CREATED!, See also Acts 2:36, Heb 1:5, 1 john 5 Isa 9:6 the word Prince in the Prince of Peace means PATRON ANGEL also Leader. WHO IS the ONE LEADER that we have? Jesus. Now, that same exact Hebrew word was used for Daniel 12:1 which is used for Michael the Archangel. So are you saying there are MANY LEADERS now?

If you have any questions, I'd be happy to help. If you are looking for a good book, I suggest "Putting Jesus in his Place" by Robert Bowman.

Don't listen to all these "doctrines" that people are simply repeating. - Get a regular Bible, read the New Testament, and ask God to give you wisdom and reveal His truth to you.

@@BasicBiblicalTruth PLAIN AND SIMPLE and yet you cannot understand - WHO IS OVER ALL? Ephesians 4:6 one God and Father of all, who is over all and through all and in all. GOD and FATHER is OVER/ABOVE ALL and that "All" includes the SON so they are NOT EQUAL Even Origen called Jesus as the most ancient of all the works of creation ------For the holy Scriptures know Him to be the most ancient of all the works of creation. nOTICE , MOST ANCIENT of ALL THE WORKS OF CREATION.. thus Jesus was part of the creation and he was the most ancient, the eldest, the first in time of that group

Even Origen called Jesus as the most ancient of all the works of creation ------For the holy Scriptures know Him to be the most ancient of all the works of creation. nOTICE , MOST ANCIENT of ALL THE WORKS OF CREATION.. thus Jesus was part of the creation and he was the most ancient, the eldest, the first in time of that group

The trinity is pagan in origin and has no merit in the Bible at all. Why?? Because there was No trinity in the Old Testament and he says in Malachi that I am the LORD and I do not change and yet two pages later, oh look he changed and is now three are one. No! That's not my God and never will be because he DOES NOT LIE! And you people of the trinity doctrine think that he did lie because he changed. No sir. And I know the trinity doctrine. It states that all three are equal and all three are all-knowing. So if the trinity is true then why does Jesus say at Mark 13:32 Heaven and earth are passing away, but my words will by no means pass away. Concerning that day and hour nobody knows, Not the Angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father. Soooo If all three are equal and all three are all-knowing why then doesn't Jesus know when Heaven and earth are passing away??? If he's equal to the Father then why doesn't he know??? And where is the Holy Spirit?? Why isn't he mentioned here?? But we'll leave the H.S. out of this. You can explain to me why Jesus doesn't know when Heaven and earth are passing away if they are all equal and all are all-knowing????? You know why?? Because they aren't equal and they aren't all-knowing because Jesus is below God Almighty. That's why and that makes your trinity doctrine have a kink in it. Huh!

@@ScottRock-mr6qk Dear "Scott on the Rocks" you make the claim the the Trinity is pagan in origin. Please provide 5 actual scholars that are peer reviewed that are experts in church history to confirm your silly claim. That 5 scholars Scott, not your opinion. Please don't quote from the WT either as that would be circular reasoning. So go and get me these 5 scholars who are peer reviewed in this area and get back to me. Happy hunting Scott, you'll be gone a long time. Maybe your little imaginary supposition about the Trinity and its pagan origin will also be "on the Rocks". I wish you all the best. BTW, can you get me the qualifications of ALL the NWT translation committee. Check.

WHO IS OVER ALL? Ephesians 4:6 one God and Father of all, who is over all and through all and in all. GOD and FATHER is OVER/ABOVE ALL and that "All" includes the SON so they are NOT EQUAL THE BIBLE teaches that Jesus was MADE As Lord and Christ and as Son (ACTS 2:36, Prov 8, HEB 1:5), CREATED/PRODUCED/INSTALLED (Prov 8) , COME INTO BEING/MADE (Mat 21:42 - egeneto) and GIVEN LIFE by the Father - John 5:26 and it uses TODAY (Heb 1:5), and uses future tenses and is a prophecy in Isa 9:6 (Isa 9:6, - WILL BE) . If you are called MADE AND CREATED AND GIVEN LIFE, and NEVER CALLED in the BIBLE as Creator or Maker , then you are A CREATION. ALL FROM THE BIBLE From the Lord was this (this is referring to the chief cornerstone who is Jesus) , the word WAS is egeneto (made or came into being) - Matthew 21:42 and the exact Greek word used in John 1:3 - MADE, egeneto (came into being) - JESUS WAS MADE/CAME INTO BEING FROM THE FATHER , yes, Jesus was MADE/CREATED!, See also Acts 2:36, Heb 1:5, 1 john 5 Isa 9:6 the word Prince in the Prince of Peace means PATRON ANGEL also Leader. WHO IS the ONE LEADER that we have? Jesus. Now, that same exact Hebrew word was used for Daniel 12:1 which is used for Michael the Archangel. So are you saying there are MANY LEADERS now?

@@RowanTasmanian Babylonia "The ancient Babylonians recognised the doctrine of a trinity, or three persons in one god-as appears from a composite god with three heads forming part of their mythology, and the use of the equilateral triangle, also, as an emblem of such trinity in unity" (Thomas Dennis Rock, The Mystical Woman and the Cities of the Nations, 1867, pp. 22-23).

@RowanTasmanian Here's two Roweine. As Bible scholars John McClintock and James Strong explain: "Towards the end of the 1st century, and during the 2d, many learned men came over both from Judaism and paganism to Christianity. These brought with them into the Christian schools of theology their Platonic ideas and phraseology" (Cyclopaedia of Biblical, Theological, and Ecclesiastical Literature, 1891, Vol. 10, "Trinity," p. 553). Dont worry, I'll get you three more by days end, right now i have something else more pressing than talking with a trinitrian to think about. Fear not Rewenie. I'll get them for you.

You use a verse that points to the Father being greater and you say it demonstrates Jesus and the father are equal? What's wrong with you people? You have the whole world laughing.

@@steadyflow3790 I take it you not only understand basic biblical exegesis [you attempt a failed character assassination, but offer no proofs] but that you a JW and a lover of heretical teachings.

@@Spartanthermopylae 🤣 Go get an education.

@@steadyflow3790 More insults. No answers. Another false teacher!!! Thanks for confirming that for all the people on this site.

@@steadyflow3790 It looks like you can't make a distinction between Jesus as a human, speaking as a human (John 14:28, in His Incarnation) and Jesus, as God Hebrews 1:4).

Even Origen called Jesus as the most ancient of all the works of creation ------For the holy Scriptures know Him to be the most ancient of all the works of creation. nOTICE , MOST ANCIENT of ALL THE WORKS OF CREATION.. thus Jesus was part of the creation and he was the most ancient, the eldest, the first in time of that group

@@Mr.DC3.1914 ,..What/who is origen? And who cares what he said? It only matters what the Bible says, and nowhere does the Bible say that God is a trinity.

@@seasonedwithsalt5129 Matthew 28:19.

@@misterauctor7353 ,...This scripture in no way whatsoever supports the 100% fake manmade trinity. What it does say is for the Christians to teach the lost, and I am teaching you there in no such thing as a trinity. The phrase baptize them in the name of the father, the son, and the holy Ghost simply means teach them, (immerse them in) the truth of the Bible. And the truth of the Bible is there is no trinity. That the entire church is apostate. In the new testament age, God has sent his son to redeem the few who Jesus the son, came to save, and after Jesus did what he came to do, the Holy Spirit/Ghost is the one who remains to teach those Jesus saved the truth of the Bible. And again, the truth of the Bible is, there is no trinity. God is seven spirits and not three. Anyone who does not understand this doesn't because the Holy Spirit has nothing to do with them. They are all being taught by the phony preachers/teachers/pastors of the apostate church, not by the Holy Spirit. Matthew Ch. 28, 19, "Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:"

how would you go about proving that to a trinitarian?

@@xxxViceroyxxx- The Bible itself is very clear that our salvation is not determined by belief in it.

that's not much of a polemic. @@VAIO294

@@xxxViceroyxxx- No one in the Holy Bible confessed belief in a trinity doctrine, even when Jesus Himself asked Peter _"Who do you say I am."_ --->Matthew 16:15-17 ~ _“He (Jesus) said to them, _*_‘But who do you say that I am?*’ Simon Peter answered, *‘You are THE CHRIST, the Son of the living God.’_*_ And Jesus said to him, _*_‘BLESSED are you, Simon Barjona,_*_ because flesh and blood did not reveal this to you, but My Father who is in heaven.’”_ So, Peter simply confessed Jesus as being *_"THE CHRIST, the Son of the living God."_* --- Jesus did NOT correct Peter and say, *_"YOU HAVE NO SALVATION unless you ALSO confess that I am "fully God and fully man."_* --- Instead, Jesus said Peter was _"BLESSED."_ --- Yes, Peter was saved *without* Jesus requiring any confession of Him being a Trinitarian *_"fully God and fully man."_*

​@@VAIO294John 20:28?

Babylonia "The ancient Babylonians recognised the doctrine of a trinity, or three persons in one god-as appears from a composite god with three heads forming part of their mythology, and the use of the equilateral triangle, also, as an emblem of such trinity in unity" (Thomas Dennis Rock, The Mystical Woman and the Cities of the Nations, 1867, pp. 22-23).

@@Mr.DC3.1914 MrDC3 my question pertains to the watchtower claim that Bible reading people without the guidance of the governing body will revert back to a doctrine of satan. is the watchtower saying in this article the Holy Scriptures teach this false doctrine? are you in agreement with them on this you have the mic sir

​@@davidagnew8792JWs are polytheists*

who are the gods in GOD of gods?

David, the quote says, "The Jehovah’s Witnesses offer people a moralistic monotheistic religion." It does not claim they are monotheist, but that they _offer_ people a monotheistic religion. JW's claim all the time that they are monotheistic, but polytheistic henotheists. Polytheism is the belief in many gods, which is what JWs believe in. Henotheism is the adherence to one god out of many, which is what JWs do. JWs think that monolatry (the worship of one God) = monotheism, but that simply isn't true. JW are polytheists who have a pantheon of gods. Jehovah is the big god, Jesus is the medium god, and angels are the small gods.

@@BasicBiblicalTruth who are the gods in GOD of gods?

@@BasicBiblicalTruth according to the BIBLE, and the Bible use the term GOD of gods. who are the gods in GOD of gods?

What is, "let your kingdom come" ?

@@seasonedwithsalt5129is this a serious question? It’s another of many long winded watchtower publications which you can find in their online library.

@@K_e_n_ ,....Yes, it is a serious question. So, from the writings of the Jehovah's witnesses they say what you quoted here? Yes, this is mind blowing that anyone could be so willingly ignorant to be deceived by this nonsense. The jehovah's witnesses the mormons, the catholics, and the orthodox are the pinnacle of the willingly ignorant. Everything they all believe is complete unbiblical nonsense.

@@seasonedwithsalt5129 For the Kingdom of God is not food or drinks , but righteousness, peace, and joy on the Holy Syrit [Romans 14:7] : It is within you [Luke 17:20-21] John 3:3-7 Jesus answered, Veroly, verily I say unto thee, except a man be "Born Again",[of water and Spirit] he cannot see the Kingdom of God....1st Peter 1:25 Being "Born Again" ...by the Word of God [CHRIST], which liveth and abideth forever. ,,,1st Peter 1:25 But the Word of the Lord endureth forever and this is the Word which by the Gospel is preach unto you ...Therefore if any man be "In Christ".[ Colossians 1:26-27 ; 2:2-3] he is a new creation [Born Again]. ...1st John 5:1 Whoever believe that JESUS is the CHRIST[1st John 2:22-24; 4:1-11; 2nd John 7-11] is Born of God.🙏🛐

WHO IS OVER ALL? Ephesians 4:6 one God and Father of all, who is over all and through all and in all. GOD and FATHER is OVER/ABOVE ALL and that "All" includes the SON so they are NOT EQUAL THE BIBLE teaches that Jesus was MADE As Lord and Christ and as Son (ACTS 2:36, Prov 8, HEB 1:5), CREATED/PRODUCED/INSTALLED (Prov 8) , COME INTO BEING/MADE (Mat 21:42 - egeneto) and GIVEN LIFE by the Father - John 5:26 and it uses TODAY (Heb 1:5), and uses future tenses and is a prophecy in Isa 9:6 (Isa 9:6, - WILL BE) . If you are called MADE AND CREATED AND GIVEN LIFE, and NEVER CALLED in the BIBLE as Creator or Maker , then you are A CREATION. ALL FROM THE BIBLE From the Lord was this (this is referring to the chief cornerstone who is Jesus) , the word WAS is egeneto (made or came into being) - Matthew 21:42 and the exact Greek word used in John 1:3 - MADE, egeneto (came into being) - JESUS WAS MADE/CAME INTO BEING FROM THE FATHER , yes, Jesus was MADE/CREATED!, See also Acts 2:36, Heb 1:5, 1 john 5 Isa 9:6 the word Prince in the Prince of Peace means PATRON ANGEL also Leader. WHO IS the ONE LEADER that we have? Jesus. Now, that same exact Hebrew word was used for Daniel 12:1 which is used for Michael the Archangel. So are you saying there are MANY LEADERS now?

Amen! I pray that too! My landlords were born into the JW's and it breaks my heart. They seem so sincere.

@@CherylArsenault123 WHO IS OVER ALL? Ephesians 4:6 one God and Father of all, who is over all and through all and in all. GOD and FATHER is OVER/ABOVE ALL and that "All" includes the SON so they are NOT EQUAL THE BIBLE teaches that Jesus was MADE As Lord and Christ and as Son (ACTS 2:36, Prov 8, HEB 1:5), CREATED/PRODUCED/INSTALLED (Prov 8) , COME INTO BEING/MADE (Mat 21:42 - egeneto) and GIVEN LIFE by the Father - John 5:26 and it uses TODAY (Heb 1:5), and uses future tenses and is a prophecy in Isa 9:6 (Isa 9:6, - WILL BE) . If you are called MADE AND CREATED AND GIVEN LIFE, and NEVER CALLED in the BIBLE as Creator or Maker , then you are A CREATION. ALL FROM THE BIBLE From the Lord was this (this is referring to the chief cornerstone who is Jesus) , the word WAS is egeneto (made or came into being) - Matthew 21:42 and the exact Greek word used in John 1:3 - MADE, egeneto (came into being) - JESUS WAS MADE/CAME INTO BEING FROM THE FATHER , yes, Jesus was MADE/CREATED!, See also Acts 2:36, Heb 1:5, 1 john 5 Isa 9:6 the word Prince in the Prince of Peace means PATRON ANGEL also Leader. WHO IS the ONE LEADER that we have? Jesus. Now, that same exact Hebrew word was used for Daniel 12:1 which is used for Michael the Archangel. So are you saying there are MANY LEADERS now?

WHO IS OVER ALL? Ephesians 4:6 one God and Father of all, who is over all and through all and in all. GOD and FATHER is OVER/ABOVE ALL and that "All" includes the SON so they are NOT EQUAL THE BIBLE teaches that Jesus was MADE As Lord and Christ and as Son (ACTS 2:36, Prov 8, HEB 1:5), CREATED/PRODUCED/INSTALLED (Prov 8) , COME INTO BEING/MADE (Mat 21:42 - egeneto) and GIVEN LIFE by the Father - John 5:26 and it uses TODAY (Heb 1:5), and uses future tenses and is a prophecy in Isa 9:6 (Isa 9:6, - WILL BE) . If you are called MADE AND CREATED AND GIVEN LIFE, and NEVER CALLED in the BIBLE as Creator or Maker , then you are A CREATION. ALL FROM THE BIBLE From the Lord was this (this is referring to the chief cornerstone who is Jesus) , the word WAS is egeneto (made or came into being) - Matthew 21:42 and the exact Greek word used in John 1:3 - MADE, egeneto (came into being) - JESUS WAS MADE/CAME INTO BEING FROM THE FATHER , yes, Jesus was MADE/CREATED!, See also Acts 2:36, Heb 1:5, 1 john 5 Isa 9:6 the word Prince in the Prince of Peace means PATRON ANGEL also Leader. WHO IS the ONE LEADER that we have? Jesus. Now, that same exact Hebrew word was used for Daniel 12:1 which is used for Michael the Archangel. So are you saying there are MANY LEADERS now?

@@Mr.DC3.1914 Hey Legion, how are ya doing?

@@richbaker7187 that's your own group btw. you cannot deny HISTORY and FACTS - your pagan trinity was formulate only AFTER 400 YEARS - FROM BRITANNICA - The Council of Nicaea in 325 stated the crucial formula for that doctrine in its confession that the Son is “of the same substance [homoousios] as the Father,” even though it said very little about the Holy Spirit. Over the next half century, St. Athanasius defended and refined the Nicene formula, and, by the end of the 4th century, under the leadership of St. Basil of Caesarea, St. Gregory of Nyssa, and St. Gregory of Nazianzus (the Cappadocian Fathers), the doctrine of the Trinity took substantially the form it has maintained ever since.

@@richbaker7187 Babylonia "The ancient Babylonians recognised the doctrine of a trinity, or three persons in one god-as appears from a composite god with three heads forming part of their mythology, and the use of the equilateral triangle, also, as an emblem of such trinity in unity" (Thomas Dennis Rock, The Mystical Woman and the Cities of the Nations, 1867, pp. 22-23).

@@Mr.DC3.1914 DC, we went over all this before. You just cut and paste WT literature, and it's been debunked so many times over. You are just sad.

They [Isaiah 48:16] are One [Zechariah 14:9/ Acts 5:3-4&9] It is Written !

@@marbymendez8021 one what? Are you saying no to the God of Jesus Christ? Ephesians 1:3

Amen,your in the right path unfortunately jw org has many good people in it but the deception is real,Jesus must be lord of thier life's, keep praying and ask the most high for guidance

Just show them this video. I might do that, mine are in the same (sinking) boat.

Jesus is god in the sense that he has been given all honor, authority and even given his holy name for a time. He is not god almighty though

@@Simplebibletruths Isaiah 9:6.

@@lulubellers yes. "Mighty" god. Not almighty god "prince" of peace not "king" this is a terrible verse to use if your a trinitarian 😆

How is that possible since verse 14 talks about the chaldeans, who don’t exist anymore. There is no evidence this is a prophecy about a religion that originated from Brooklyn New York. You have to prove it.

Isaiah 43 is about Jews.

@@LightoverDarkMinistry: A PROPHECY is about a FUTURE event. Who are Jehovah's Witnesses if not JWs? Who else is declaring that God has never changed (cf Malachi 3:6). Read Isaiah 43:10 carefully.

@@misterauctor7353 : Read Isaiah 43:10 carefully. It is a prophecy. Verse 21 The people whom I formed for myself So that they might declare my praise. 22 But you have not called on me, O Jacob, Because you grew weary of me, O Israel. People who grew weary of God cannot be his Witnesses, can they. JWs replaced the Jews as God's people. (Hosea 2:23) I will sow her like seed for myself in the earth, And I will show mercy to her who was not shown mercy; I will say to those NOT MY PEOPLE: “YOU ARE MY PEOPLE,” And they will say: “You are my God.”’”

@@jimjuri6490 Seriously Jim, Rutherford came up with that name, this is the same Rutherford who had the Watchtower pay for 2 and I mean TWO Cadillacs that he was chauffeur driven around during the Great Depression whilst everyone was homeless Jobless and starving. This same Rutherford also said in a prophecy "Millions now living will never die" and that Armageddon would definitely occur in 1925. How about that prophecy by the same author Jim ? Are those "Millions now living" still living or are they all dead Jim ??????????. Did Abraham Isaac and Jacob return to San Diego in 1925 as Rutherford (Your Prophet) said they would ???? Hmmmm. Checkmate Jimbo.

Can you reasonably explain how God mad the universe out of nothing?

WHO IS OVER ALL? Ephesians 4:6 one God and Father of all, who is over all and through all and in all. GOD and FATHER is OVER/ABOVE ALL and that "All" includes the SON so they are NOT EQUAL THE BIBLE teaches that Jesus was MADE As Lord and Christ and as Son (ACTS 2:36, Prov 8, HEB 1:5), CREATED/PRODUCED/INSTALLED (Prov 8) , COME INTO BEING/MADE (Mat 21:42 - egeneto) and GIVEN LIFE by the Father - John 5:26 and it uses TODAY (Heb 1:5), and uses future tenses and is a prophecy in Isa 9:6 (Isa 9:6, - WILL BE) . If you are called MADE AND CREATED AND GIVEN LIFE, and NEVER CALLED in the BIBLE as Creator or Maker , then you are A CREATION. ALL FROM THE BIBLE From the Lord was this (this is referring to the chief cornerstone who is Jesus) , the word WAS is egeneto (made or came into being) - Matthew 21:42 and the exact Greek word used in John 1:3 - MADE, egeneto (came into being) - JESUS WAS MADE/CAME INTO BEING FROM THE FATHER , yes, Jesus was MADE/CREATED!, See also Acts 2:36, Heb 1:5, 1 john 5 Isa 9:6 the word Prince in the Prince of Peace means PATRON ANGEL also Leader. WHO IS the ONE LEADER that we have? Jesus. Now, that same exact Hebrew word was used for Daniel 12:1 which is used for Michael the Archangel. So are you saying there are MANY LEADERS now?

With all your comments here you have only exposed that your christianity is a fraud. Repent, and learn what the truth, the gospel, and the Christianity of the Bible actually is.

WHO IS OVER ALL? Ephesians 4:6 one God and Father of all, who is over all and through all and in all. GOD and FATHER is OVER/ABOVE ALL and that "All" includes the SON so they are NOT EQUAL THE BIBLE teaches that Jesus was MADE As Lord and Christ and as Son (ACTS 2:36, Prov 8, HEB 1:5), CREATED/PRODUCED/INSTALLED (Prov 8) , COME INTO BEING/MADE (Mat 21:42 - egeneto) and GIVEN LIFE by the Father - John 5:26 and it uses TODAY (Heb 1:5), and uses future tenses and is a prophecy in Isa 9:6 (Isa 9:6, - WILL BE) . If you are called MADE AND CREATED AND GIVEN LIFE, and NEVER CALLED in the BIBLE as Creator or Maker , then you are A CREATION. ALL FROM THE BIBLE From the Lord was this (this is referring to the chief cornerstone who is Jesus) , the word WAS is egeneto (made or came into being) - Matthew 21:42 and the exact Greek word used in John 1:3 - MADE, egeneto (came into being) - JESUS WAS MADE/CAME INTO BEING FROM THE FATHER , yes, Jesus was MADE/CREATED!, See also Acts 2:36, Heb 1:5, 1 john 5 Isa 9:6 the word Prince in the Prince of Peace means PATRON ANGEL also Leader. WHO IS the ONE LEADER that we have? Jesus. Now, that same exact Hebrew word was used for Daniel 12:1 which is used for Michael the Archangel. So are you saying there are MANY LEADERS now?

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Please explain how

If you need help, please reach out. I made this channel for people like you.

@@LightoverDarkMinistry I really appreciate that! I’ve been reading everything I can on Christian doctrines and studying the Bible objectively on my own for 2 years now but I still feel stuck when it comes to certain teachings and I’m afraid I may be going backwards.

Isa 9:6 which called Jesus as SAR WHICH means in Hebrew PATRON ANGEL. Also the Bible uses the words MADE for Jesus, Acts 2:36, EGENETO which means COME INTO BEING OR MADE - Mat 21, which is the EXACT WORD used for the other creations in JOhn 1:3, and also PRODUCED/CREATED as Wisdom Prov 8, and GIVEN LIFE in John 5:26, and those terms are used for a CREATION, even Jesus ADMITTED, I LIVE BECAUSE OF THE FATHER - John 6:57. Even COL 1 which uses the words DIA - A CHANNEL OF AN ACT AND EN- instrumentality.

Revelation 1:8 is absolutely not Jesus. Revelation 1:8 is God Almighty, it’s not Jesus.

@@Jimmy5991-eb3re I know so how can a trinitarian explain that? Are you a unitarian?

Ahhh darn it! I thought I double checked everything!!

Typical question from someone who reads Watch Tower magazines instead of the Bible.

@@nonconformist4802 is that a no to the God of Jesus?

@@bretherenlee1404 No that is a statement made that you are an ignorant fool

Google it : There are so many including Revelation 22:13-16

@@marbymendez8021 show where Jesus says that he is the I AM

Want to come on and talk about it?

The Son of God (John 20:31) is "my God" (John 20:28).

Given, because he was in a servant state, he emptied himself, and then got it back, he glorified and seated back to his position of power, which is what Phil 2:5-11 teaches. Where did Jesus deny he was God? This is news to me. I’ve read the Bible many times, never seen that.

​​​@@LightoverDarkMinistryno. Given because he never had it to begin with. He wasn't"given it back" "God exalted him to a superior position and kindly gave him his holy name" this is clear and uncompromising to anyone looking at it honestly. Phillipians 2:5-11 does not teach that he was given back his original position at all. Quite the opposite, its when he was given it That's why he quotes isaiah and says that every knee should bend in the name of Jesus not jehovah. He has been given that authority Where did jesus claim that he was god?

He is in that he has been given all authority and honor and even the name of god​@@kardiognostesministries8150

@@SimplebibletruthsMark 14:62

That was never its purpose. The Bible as you know it was not established until 60 years AFTER the council of Nicaea, and 300 years AFTER the writings them selves. It was Nicaea in 325 when the church began to develop the Trinity doctrine well before they produced the Bible.

Jesus didn't had a beginning. 200 AD Tertullian "He will be God, and the Word - the Son of God. We see plainly the twofold state, which is not confounded, but conjoined in One Person - Jesus, God and Man.." (Against Praxeas, ch 27) 200 AD Tertullian "God alone is without sin. The only man who is without sin is Christ; for Christ is also God" (The Soul 41:3) 200 AD Tertullian "We do indeed believe that there is only one God, but we believe that under this dispensation, or, as we say, oikonomia, there is also a Son of this one only God, his Word, who proceeded from him and through whom all things were made and without whom nothing was made. . . . We believe he was sent down by the Father, in accord with his own promise, the Holy Spirit, the Paraclete, the Sanctifier of the faith of those who believe in the Father and the Son, and in the Holy Spirit. . . . this rule of faith has been present since the beginning of the Gospel, before even the earlier heretics" ... "And at the same time the mystery of the oikonomia is safeguarded, for the unity is distributed in a Trinity. Placed in order, the Three are the Father, Son, and Spirit. They are three, however, not in condition, but in degree; not in Being, but in form; not in power, but in kind; of one Being, however, and one condition and one power, because he is one God of whom degrees and forms and kinds are taken into account in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit" (Against Praxeas 2).

@@misterauctor7353 Tertullian wasn't one of the apostles or Bible writers. He was just some religionist who came later. Religious expressions such as Trinity and Trinity explanations are not found in the Bible or the teachings of the apostles. If it was so central to the faith of Christians why didn't they highlight it or explain it instead of some guys centuries later? Peter for instance, when Jesus asked him who he was what did Peter say? He said to them: “You, though, who do you say I am?” "Simon Peter answered: “You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.” 17 In response Jesus said to him: “Happy you are, Simon son of Joʹnah, because flesh and blood did not reveal it to you, but my Father in the heavens did," Matthew 16:16,17. So forget about church dogma and man made arguments about homoousion, or substance, designed to make them sound more learned than anybody else, just stick to the Bible and believe what Peter believed, that Jesus is the son of God.

@@dirkfirkle73 And you, Beth-Ephratha, tiniest among the thousand of Judah, out of you shall come one to be ruler in Israel, his origins being from of old, from ancient days, Micah 5:2. Byington. "Whose comings forth have been from of old, from the days of age-past time," Rotherham. "Whose origin is from ancient times, from the days of long ago," NWT. Why can't Jesus have had a beginning? He was totally reliant on his Father for everything. He came to earth to promote the worship of his Father not himself. You can't interchangeably worship Jesus one day and then his Father the next as if they were the same God. The Bible gives us the only correct protocol for approaching God and that's through Christ. Jesus said to him: “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me," John 14:6.

Jesus is the head of the true congregation of Jehovah God! The two witnesses are the two olive trees and two lampstands. A lampstand represents the true Congregation of Christ (Rev 1), and an olive tree also represents God's people (Rom 11). The link between the two is that as the Congregation walks in obedience they bear fruit (olives) which provides the oil which keeps their lamp lit. The two witnesses are therefore two obedient groups,one that will walk in the spirit and power of Elijah and one that will walk in the spirit and power of Moses.

The Song of Moses! Jehovah's Witnesses are the voice in the wilderness. But people are upset . They listened to the voice and was baptized. Was the Nation of Israel upset because they was baptized crossing the Red Sea. They didn't even know how much Jehovah loved them. Revelation 21:4 4 And he will wipe out every tear from their eyes... no more,... mourning nor outcry nor pain be anymore. The former things have passed away.” The Gentile Times. Jehovah's Witnesses use prophetic year for Gentile Times to arrive at 1914 for last days of a 120 years. For the Elijah to arrive first. This is how they have over lapping generations. 1914 + 120 is 2034. The Gentile Times by history is 1934 . A generation to the God of Abraham is 100 years. 1934 + 100 is 2034 also. Then back up for the 42 months (2030) or 7 year tribulation. 2023! Also by Jehovah's Witnesses using the prophetic year of the Bible. Adam was created 4026 bce. - 4026 bce + 6000 is 1974. But to enter into Jehovah's rest. Is 60 years. Jehovah said they would die in the wilderness from age 20 and up. So 40 years plus 20 is 60 years. 1974 plus 60 years is 2034 also. Jehovah then said to Moses and Aaron: 27 “How much longer will this evil assembly keep up this murmuring against me? I have heard what the Israelites are murmuring against me. 28 Say to them, ‘“As surely as I live,” declares Jehovah, “I will do to you just what I have heard you speak! 29 In this wilderness your corpses will fall, yes, the whole number of you from 20 years old and up who were registered, all of you who have murmured against me. Hebrews 3:9 where your forefathers put me to the test and tried me, despite seeing my works for 40 years. 10 This is why I became disgusted with this generation and said: ‘They always go astray in their hearts, and they have not come to know my ways.’ 11 So I swore in my anger: ‘They will not enter into my rest.’” Hebrews 4:2 For we who have exercised faith do enter into the rest, just as he has said: “So I swore in my anger, ‘They will not enter into my rest,’” although his works were finished from the founding of the world. 4 For in one place he has said of the seventh day as follows: “And God rested on the seventh day from all his works,” 5 and here again he says: “They will not enter into my rest.” 6 Therefore, since it remains for some to enter into it, and those to whom the good news was first declared did not enter in because of disobedience, 7 he again marks off a certain day by saying long afterward in David’s psalm, “Today”; just as it has been said above, “Today if you listen to his voice, do not harden your hearts.” 8 For if Joshua had led them into a place of rest, God would not afterward have spoken of another day. 9 So there remains a sabbath-rest for the people of God. 10 For the man who has entered into God’s rest has also rested from his own works, just as God did from his own. 11 Let us therefore do our utmost to enter into that rest, so that no one may fall into the same pattern of disobedience. 14 Therefore, since we have a great high priest who has passed through the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold on to our public declaration of him.

The 7 year tribulation had begun! Joel 2:15 Blow a horn in Zion! Proclaim a fast; call for a solemn assembly. 16 Gather the people; sanctify the congregation. Collect the old men; gather the children and nursing infants. Let the bridegroom go out from his inner chamber, and the bride from her bridal chamber. The conclusion of the preaching and disciple-making work means that the harvest phase begins. And during the harvest all the sons of the Kingdom are gathered into the storehouse; thus, precluding any more preaching and teaching. The final witness work will not be a message of salvation - but of certain doom for Satan’s world.

Oh I know :'(

I looked at the Hebrew interlinear here: scripture4all.org/OnlineInterlinear/OTpdf/psa45.pdf and it says "Thy throne, O God, [is] for ever and ever: the sceptre of thy kingdom [is] a right sceptre. " Where did you find "Your throne is /God/Forever/and ever"?

@@evanwindom3265 pls look/click at the Hebrew or Hebrew Interlinear at Biblehub for Psalm 45:6

@@evanwindom3265 did you find it in biblehub? psalms 45:6 - Click hebrew

To be honest with you, it is a total waste of time. They are spiritual blinded by God Himself and only He do have the ability to remove the veil from their eyes. All we can do is to feel pity for them and to pray that God will have mercy on them

@@nonconformist4802 WHO IS OVER ALL? Ephesians 4:6 one God and Father of all, who is over all and through all and in all. GOD and FATHER is OVER/ABOVE ALL and that "All" includes the SON so they are NOT EQUAL THE BIBLE teaches that Jesus was MADE As Lord and Christ and as Son (ACTS 2:36, Prov 8, HEB 1:5), CREATED/PRODUCED/INSTALLED (Prov 8) , COME INTO BEING/MADE (Mat 21:42 - egeneto) and GIVEN LIFE by the Father - John 5:26 and it uses TODAY (Heb 1:5), and uses future tenses and is a prophecy in Isa 9:6 (Isa 9:6, - WILL BE) . If you are called MADE AND CREATED AND GIVEN LIFE, and NEVER CALLED in the BIBLE as Creator or Maker , then you are A CREATION. ALL FROM THE BIBLE From the Lord was this (this is referring to the chief cornerstone who is Jesus) , the word WAS is egeneto (made or came into being) - Matthew 21:42 and the exact Greek word used in John 1:3 - MADE, egeneto (came into being) - JESUS WAS MADE/CAME INTO BEING FROM THE FATHER , yes, Jesus was MADE/CREATED!, See also Acts 2:36, Heb 1:5, 1 john 5 Isa 9:6 the word Prince in the Prince of Peace means PATRON ANGEL also Leader. WHO IS the ONE LEADER that we have? Jesus. Now, that same exact Hebrew word was used for Daniel 12:1 which is used for Michael the Archangel. So are you saying there are MANY LEADERS now?

John 10:30.

Jeff if you believe I’m lying and deceiving people, I’m more than happy to have you come on my channel, and we can discuss it live or have it recorded, and I will post it publicly so the world can see. Just email me and we’ll get it moving. Lightoverdarkministry@gmail.com

Maybe you should watch the whole thing and part 2 before coming to a conclusion

@@LightoverDarkMinistry I may watch it but it is already so far out from what I believe the Bible to really teach that is seems a waste of time. I have NEVER Believed and won't ever believe that Jesus ( Son ) and God ( Father) are the same person.

@@curtainsup9 I don’t believe that either.