"A hero can be anyone. Even a man doing something as simple, and reassuring, as putting a coat around a young boy's shoulders, to let him know the world hadn't ended."
That's the kind of storytelling that I miss in the modern day mainstream. To know that dialogue like that is currently gone from storytelling just breaks my heart. :/
Man I've never been into the comic book/superhero scene but the Nolan Batman series really transcends that. "Why do we fall? So we can learn to pick ourselves up."
_”Since it is so likely that (children) will meet cruel enemies, let them at least have heard of brave knights and heroic courage. Otherwise you are making their destiny not brighter but darker.”_ - C.S. Lewis
About half a century before him: "At the four corners of a child's bed stand Perseus and Roland, Sigurd and St. George. If you withdraw the guard of heroes you are not making him rational; you are only leaving him to fight the devils alone. For the devils, alas, we have always believed in." - G.K. Chesterton
Don't remember that quote of his. There is the GK Chesteron one: "Fairy tales, then, are not responsible for producing in children fear, or any of the shapes of fear; fairy tales do not give the child the idea of the evil or the ugly; that is in the child already, because it is in the world already. Fairy tales do not give the child his first idea of bogey. What fairy tales give the child is his first clear idea of the possible defeat of bogey. The baby has known the dragon intimately ever since he had an imagination. What the fairy tale provides for him is a St. George to kill the dragon."
@@isaacclarke8945 Even in a universe as bleak as the one presented in Dead Space, Visceral studios knew how to make Isaac Clarke somewhat of an inspirational figure in my opinion. He always sought to preserve lives, tried to accept, forgive, and move past his trauma, and he *never* gave up despite airing his doubts and pain. I love that series for many reasons but I doubt we'll see another guy like Isaac from a AAA studio for a long while.
I think the biggest issue of modern Hollywood is their disdain toward their audience. A lot of them see us common movie-goers as not much more than scum of the earth. How can you properly entertain somebody if you hate their guts? I don’t think it’ll ever be as effective that way
It seems to be men in particular imo…I’ve got no problem with strong female characters, but it always feels as though it’s at the detriment of the male characters. They have to make the male character bad or useless rather than just making the female character good or just superior on her own merits
@@GIBBO4182 That ends up cheapening the female character when they make them appear strong at the expense of male characters (so are they actually strong, or just the toughest weakling?). Also, sometimes it makes their strength look like the strength of diamond - hard enough to cut through most things, but likely to shatter the first time there’s true resistance, because unlike classical true tough women like Sarah Connor or Ellen Ridley, they never suffer much (or any) adversity to toughen them up during their rise.
@@neillindgren8992 yeah that’s my point, I said it’s at the detriment of male characters. I also said about making them superior on their own merits ie Ripley. Not sure what your point is?
I don't think it's specifically to male characters, but more focused on the traditional and stoic characters. Which are mostly men in the world but for a female example: Stay at home moms, zero respect for them. I believe that the issue that they have writing them is that modern Hollywood views duty, loyalty & tradition as boring and uninspiring. They think those people are simply cogs.
This is why Sam is one of my favourite characters. He's not a soldier or a king. He's a gardener who made a promise to stand by and protect Frodo. His bravery and friendship is what kept Frodo on the path. "Frodo wouldn't have gotten far without Sam". So fucking true. Sam is the unsung hero of LOTR.
All the Hobbits to a fair degree...and one thing about the extended editions with the full coronation and everything else where they honor all 4 of them. That was a nice moment.
“A day may come when the courage of Men fails, when we forsake our friends and break all bonds of fellowship, but it is not this day. An hour of wolves and shattered shields when the Age of Men comes crashing down, but it is not this day! This day we fight! By all that you hold dear on this good earth, I bid you stand, Men of the West!”
I've noticed every dad character in modern movies is portrayed in an unmanly way. He's either a buffoon, a dictator, a deadbeat, or a pushover. You just don't see good dads in movies very much anymore. The last one I can think of is A Quiet Place.
And that's because krasinski wrote and directed it. Lol, he didn't want to be a buffoon in his own movie and execs weren't there to whisper in his ear to push the message.
If u look carefully its all beginning to look like the staunch femanist have the wheel. In the 90s in UK there was a 'Lad Culture' even the female stars in UK were nicknamed 'Ladettes'... they adopted strong masculine traits. Drinkin beer, rude language, leary behaviour.... Its bizzare watching the shift. Would of been better if it was fused together with female roles and male roles all being produced side by side. But no, the females hold all the direction and output... strange!!!
Did you notice the stupid mother was several times closer to the kid with the toy? And yet, rather than getting her arse in gear and helping, she left it to the dad to _run past her_ in a desperate attempt to save the kid, while she just stood there looking gormless.
@@TheHalogen131 Unfortunately, that could be because Arcane was produced by Fortiche, a French animation company. It’s sad, but we’re at the point where if you want “based”and manly male characters, you have to look outside Hollywood to find them. Hollywood is dead.
There is a sorrow in their voices that you can just feel in your heart. This isn't a rant, they aren't flying off the handle, foaming at the mouth. This is four gentlemen lamenting the death of the heroic characters that shaped them, shaped all of us. This is the conversation at the bar after you just buried a friend. Next round's on me guys and make mine a double.
It's the melancholy of people who know their culture has been parasitzed. The heroic individual is a threat to the collectivist. It is the heroic individual who has the courage to stand against wrong and evil even when they are alone and know they will lose. Of course the forces of woke want to eliminate that role model, it's a threat to their project of socially engineered uniformity and equity. How can everyone be equal if a select few are extraordinary? It's the same reason the people that screech about "fat shaming" fight campaigns to remove ads of fit women in bikinis. The very concept of ideals threatens them, mocks them, so they do everything they can to tear them down. The ideal is a point of aim, not an expectation or a requirement. It's a representation of what we should orient ourselves towards in life, not an expectation of what we have to achieve. Rather than acknowledge that they (and almost all of us) fall short while resolving to try to do better, they attack the ideal. They are great just as they are, ideals are oppressive, it's a white male patriarchy conspiracy to keep them down, etc. All of that jumble of thoughts I just puked out goes a long way to explain the motivation of people writing modern movies. I'm not religious, but you can almost see it as a revolt against God himself. I don't think it is a coincidence that the same people that have destroyed the classic hero are also busy putting the "gay agenda" into everything they create, attack the traditional family as oppressive, and celebrate hedonism and gluttony. Why deny your base appetites for something difficult and sometimes painful to obtain? Just stay here with us on pleasure island....
@@brendanh8978 I am a Christian and I've got to say you're spot on sir. It's how you know the world has gone crazy, even those of us with zero connection to the spirit can tell something is very wrong.
" No greater love hath a man than he lay down his life for his brother , not for millions , not for glory , not for fame but for one person, in the dark where no on will ever know or see " Sebastian Babylon 5 , sums it up for me god I miss good writing
A hero isn't just defined by his actions. He's also defined by his adherence to his convictions, whatever they may be. It might be love, or friendship or morality. The reason for his actions as it were.
@J. C. What? You can have someone perform the same action and they're a villain. I'm not sure I understand what you're saying. I'm talking more in context of a story like LOTR. I can give an example if you'd like.
The specific actions and the specific code matter. The traditional hero is defined by his character which is guided by right reason. He embodies the cardinal virtues of prudence, fortitude, justice, and temperance.
Motivation is what separates the hero from the antihero or the simple protagonist. Is the audience on the central character's side (if at all) because they believe in what he's doing, or just because they're the person that the story's following, and so identify with the character by simple continued association? Is The Man With No Name the "hero" of The Good, The Bad and The Ugly, or is he just the best of the three? Is Max the "hero" of The Road Warrior, and doesn't the answer hinge on why one believes he decides to drive the rig during the escape? Doing the extraordinary simply isn't enough; it has to be done for the right reasons.
Yes I would argue, “that’s what heroes do” being the motivation is the weakest possible thing. Instead those soldiers laid down their lives because they were the only thing standing between the monstrous horde and their wives and children. Sam gave half his food to and carried Frodo at the end because that’s his best friend and he loves him. It’s a bit more than “we have to complete the mission.”
I love that after a brief moment of OH FUCK, gandalf just goes to the only thing you can do against that triple troll clusterfuck, launch a shit load of arrows at them
What you are saying towards the end of the video is true. It's the same as if someone made you cupcakes that were unpalatable on purpose just to see you spit it out, then ask you "What's wrong, don't you like cupcakes? I thought you said you liked cupcakes", all whilst having a smirk on their face.
Or the girlfriend with the beautiful, long hair. You tell her how beautiful her hair is and how it enhances her beauty. Next week she chops it all off into a bob and says, "Do you like it? I did it for you!"
Writers are paralyzed by fear of accidentally supporting the "patriarchy"; not that they could clearly define it if asked. Like many ideas it has become a conceptual boogieman that will steal their kidney while they sleep if they depict a man as self-assured and calm in adverse situations. The presence of the selfless father figure who does what is necessary, in life and in movies, is less and less. The guy who puts his own interest on the back burner for the greater good. Your video essay on "Written by Children, for Children" exposed the sad fact that writers pander to younger audiences so much that they've muddied the definition of such traits as strength, adulthood, manhood, etc... I was in the Marine infantry from '08 to -12, and even then saw what I called "misguided masculinity", which featured impulsive, childish behavior rebranded as "taking care of business" or "being a man". The idea that you get what's best for you alone, leveraging your position at the expense of others. To find a selfless father figure in a leadership position was rare, and those are the types most needed everywhere, not just the military or the workplace. We need more stoic, hardy humans in movies.
One of my favorite scenes from the books is in fellowship. When entering the forest after Morria, the elves want to blindfold Ghimli because he’s a dwarf. Arigorn, now the leader of the party without the wise guidance of Gandalf, agrees but only if ALL of them are blindfolded, including Legolas. It was a small thing, but it was a big message to the party: whether elf, dwarf, hobbit, or man, we are all equal and the conditions thrust upon one will be put upon us all.
I know it's not from the book or in Return of the King but Sam's quote "There's some good in this world and it's worth fighting for" really encapsulates the conflict between fans and the people trying to use popular IP's as a soapbox for their own political ideology. There are powerful lessons people take away from these books, films and what have you. They stick with us, they become a part of us and we instinctually can feel when those morals are being violated. It's up to us to keep the flame lit and pass it to the next generation. So, yeah, when we see what Hollywood has become, when we see what they're trying to twist, what they're trying to manipulate for their own ends, we have to stand up and tell them that they are wrong.
All art is created by inserting ideology into them. You seriously dont think tolkien or lucas didnt insert their own ideology into their work, tolkien anti industrial and lucas anti imperial.
As a lady I can tell you women LOVE that strong masculine man who is true of heart and he doesn't have to be perfect. If he's a bit broken in some way and has to over come it, even better! Even if there is no romance in a film (I mean I love a bit of romance but filmmakers really don't have to use that to sell it to a woman if the films good enough) it matters not to women that love seeing real men. i.e. Master and Commander. That film is an example of a historically correct, hell of a goodtime.
The culture of shaming and making comedy out of male characters in film is what I think is so inherently toxic about modern day feminism. It can't fight for it's corner without tearing everyone else down and replacing them with women good, man bad narrative. Yet women seem to think this is OK, enjoying the escapism despite not realising the consequences this will be having on young boys and men.
@@TheanHooYew: Today we get films made by committee designed intentionally or not to be as safe and bland as possible. If you can mooch off an existing IP all the better financially. Just don't write anything risky.
@@ColoradoStreaming I started crying in Gladiator as a child, first time really crying in any movie. Now I kind of cry with every good movie. Gladiator awakened something inside me.
It’s sad Wokeness has transformed so massively much and is now rightfully seen as a Franchise-destroying Monstrum. I mean, it was once the natural Evolution, the normal next Step after people realized how cringe ‚Boys can only wear Blue and Pink is for just Girls!!!’ is and how purely-made-up a lot about Masculinity and Feminity actually is. It rightfully spanwed some Questions. But then it morphed.
The Rageaholic's comment on the new Star Wars trilogy being conceived out of spite was absolutely spot-on. After watching the first film my immediate thought was that it had been made to stick it to white, heterosexual men.
This reminds me of the time I was watching a video about the Game of Thrones ending, the narrators of the video had critcized Jon Snow for killing Daenerys because they were worried it might be "glorifying domestic assault". When I heard that, I had to replay it to see if that is what they actually said but my ears did not trick me. They really did say that! 😡
I recently watched a reaction video where a young woman watched The Return Of The King for the first time, and she was cheering, weeping, and amazed. She even said at one point, "I didn't think they could make movies like this!" And therein lies the truth of the day. Cinema is so bereft of quality these past several years that an entire generation can no longer see its potential.
To be fair, while John Wick doesn't reach the the epic saga of Lord of the Rings I think that's a seriously great movie and you end up cheering for the anti-hero who was avenging the loss of his wife and her final gift to him. That sweet little beagle. God that scene really hit me hard as someone who's had two beagles growing up. I think a lot of people can relate to that tho. It's about making movies relatable not seeing yourself in them.
Years ago, Audie Murphy was interviewed for a newspaper. He was asked, "what made you go up on that burning tank and fire that machine gun at the Germans?" He simply answered, "they were killing my friends." That is heroism.
That is the reason a lot of guys won the Medal of Honor. However, if you want to see another case of incredible heroism, read a good account of the low-level B-24 raid on the Ploesti, Romania oil refineries on August 1, 1943.
A moment that will always stick with me is when Boromir snaps out of his temporary madness (brought about by his noble desire to simply protect his people and to stop the endless bloodshed and suffering that has been his entire life!) and immediately regrets it because he knows that he has failed and broken his oath to protect Frodo on his quest. However, despite the regret, fear and panic you can hear in his voice as he calls out to Frodo he immediately rushes into action to protect Merry and Pippin and to sound the Horn of Gondor to warn the rest of his companions about the danger they are in. Even at the cost of his own life. *That* is how you write a good yet flawed character! Boromir wasn’t perfect, *but* he was a good and honest man! But no, todays Hollywood would have him be a snivelling, egotistical coward that has been a complete asshole throughout the entire movie that would die begging for his life. Why? Because the hacks in todays Hollywood doesn’t know what they are doing or why they are losing money.
@@manfrombritain6816 Half of the soldiers would be women because RePrEsEnTatIoN, so Eowyn would not be special anymore, just one of many. And the "no man can kill the Nazgúl king" prophecy would make no sense.
Boromir was definitely one of the most realistic characters in the movies. He spent years with the ever growing threat and inevitability that his city will be overrun and finally a turn of events comes to give him hope they can win. Then he has to go along with a seemingly insane and suicidal mission to destroy the one device he thinks can save the people he loves.
Yes! I'm glad to read this :) I've always felt for Boromir and I know some people that had a "serves him right" type of attitude toward him or that he was weak and left it at that. I think this is a mistake. Anytime I reread or rewatch the trilogy I always feel so much sadness for him but he fights like a lion at his end and it is simultaneously heartbreaking and inspiring to see it. We can relate to his fallibility but also his will to do the right thing, protect, and make amends. I agree though, you're probably right as to how he would be written today and that is so unfortunate.
I heard a very poignant quote that rings pretty true in this regard: "We have gone from being an honor society to being a victim society." Those who can portray themselves as the most victimized and marginalized these days hold the most social currency. Nothing is ever anyone's fault, and is especially not their responsibility. In the words of The Drinker, "Jesus wept."
The West hasn't been an honour society in about 2000 years. With the rise of Christianity, it replaced an honour-based system with a morality-based system. THAT is what has been replaced with a victimization-based system.
@@CoryTheRaven I'd respectfully disagree with your premise. I'd argue that morality and honor are both facets of a civilized society based upon principle. Both parts of an overarching whole, rather than exclusive replacements of one another. Now, I certainly think a solid case can be made for morality and empathy having paved the way for the rise of this victim society. If we as empathetic and moral people do our absolute best to not offend or take advantage of others, those who are devoid of such qualities have ruthlessly used that against us. The biggest folly is that it's taken us far too long to call people out for this.
@@yukoncharlie2 and I respectfully disagree with you. Honour cultures are focused on how you are SEEN, morality cultures are focused on what you DO. Honour cultures are where you have people murdering their daughters for dishonouring the family name and bullshit like that. I saw this all the damn time as an educator when working with kids from certain cultures. They were never sorry for their actions, just for getting caught, if they ever felt that admitting fault was too beneath them to begin with. One could make the case that morality and empathy lead to victim culture, but victim culture is a kind of honour culture in its own perverse way.
@@CoryTheRaven I think both of our points hold merit, as it seems we're referencing different definitions and uses of the word 'honor'. I completely agree that the perverse interpretation of honor in some cultures is abhorrent. However, honor in the sense of duty, doing the right thing, taking the hard road, taking ownership and responsibility, and serving one's fellow man and the greater good is what I'm referring to. That's what I think goes hand-in-hand with morality. I'm just making an observation here and this truly isn't a slight, but you were very quick to throw Christianity specifically into the conversation as something that has helped lead to the downfall of society in general. But then you reference specific practices from honour cultures that I'd venture a guess are not rooted in Christianity. Why not call out the organized religion that these cultures are rooted in? If they're not rooted in any specific religion that's fair enough, but it seems like a double standard to me. Again, no disrespect, just an observation...
I'm 48 years old. I had the privilege of seeing Star Wars in the theaters in the summer of '77, twice. It was a bigger deal back then because money was tighter (especially for a Navy family) and going to the theater was an experience. It was months before my 4th birthday but I have vivid memories of that experience, most especially the audience booing Darth Vader when he would come on the screen and erupting in cheers at the end. On both occasions, the fade to credits resulted in a standing ovation. It was obviously formative. Needless to say, I was certainly disappointed with the most recent Star Wars efforts, and yes, I share in the disdain for The Last Jedi, perhaps without quite so much vitriol. There was certainly a deal of character assassination involved with that movie; messaging, absolutely; and bad filmmaking combined with ideas I disagree with or that fell flat. Rey is an obvious caricature, not a character. She lacks flaws and is overpowered. Luke was destroyed, yes. But I didn't overreact to any of this. I disagreed and was willing to leave it at that, that it was a terrible movie and I had made up my mind not to see Episode 9. However, I had my kids with me, and they were discussing scenes they liked. My son mentioned the infamous "broom boy" at the end, which in a forgettable film happened to be the thing that stuck in my craw. Of all the miserable elements conspiring to make such a putrescent cinematic experience, I explained to my kids why that scene was the most destructive. Perhaps it condenses the mantra of Disney, the modern world, the younger generations, whatever the case may be. It's the notion that anyone can be anything...*and* to have to explain that in a measured, responsible way to 2 children who will one day (hopefully) become responsible people of their own, with active, rational minds. Maybe it's a symptom of the post-facts world we live in, but the notion that anyone can just discard blatant laws of physics, disregard the fact that some are born taller, faster, smarter, what have you. It's nice to aspire, but within reality's bounds. Otherwise everyone would be astronauts, or the running back for the Giants, or the league MVP of the NBA. I think this is the fallacy plaguing Hollywood: that the writers used to be the smart ones too ugly to be on camera, but superbly talented. The modern screenwriters and idea people are just treated as if they have the same degree of *natural* talent as those previous individuals, by people who don't have the capacity to recognize it.
The "fanboy tears" crowd aren't just incompetent, creatively bankrupt ideological zealots, they're also hypocrites and cowards. Imagine deliberately publishing something you know fans will hate, then crying and playing the victim when the fans inevitably hate it.
# Elizabeth Bank's "Charlie's Angels". She KNEW what she was doing. She just did it because she could, and knew the industry and the " New, Better, Woke Hollywood" would support her... The fans , on the other hand... Not. So. Much.
These people aren't "creators", they're raging narcissists and professional victims who accuse anyone who doesn't like their work of being some variety of bigot.
@@worndown8280 No it isn't, movies are entertainment. If you try to use them as weapons people stop going to the theater (or ignore your shows), as we're seeing now.
@@Just_Pele Thats just because you disagree with the art today. And thats fine, I do too. But art has and always be a weapon. It either reinforces cultural norms or it attacks them. You should read the Republic by Plato. He has a complete section on why a State should have total control of art. (Not that I am for it.) But his reasoning on why art is so power and dangerous is very well put. The reason many are ignoring shows, as you put it, is a reflection of the conflict the art has with the culture. Effective art is good. Ineffective art is bad. Todays art is mostly bad, its to overt.
@@worndown8280 Why would having the State controlling art be any different than giving art to radical elements who would seek to use it to attack/subvert a culture? What makes the State any better or any worse than anyone else in using art as a weapon? If anything, allowing them total control over art would be just giving them ANOTHER avenue of total control to pursue over a population? :/
@@sigmacademy I'm not say it would be. I'm saying Plato made a good argument of how art can be used to reinforce culture or destroy it. But you probably haven't read it or you wouldn't have asked your question.
A lot the hearthships Tolkien described he had experienced apparently in WW1 , i mean the entirety of Mordor is a approximitation of no-mans-land between the trenches
I so appreciated that the spirit of this discussion was apparent in the culmination of Bruce Wayne's evolution of thought in The Batman by him simply carrying that injured girl to the help and waiting with her while she needed nothing more from him than just to know he was there for her, he was there with her and she wasn't alone. In a time where there is the constant push for 'The Message', for a 2022 movie to actually convey the idea of heroism through one man doing something so natural and easy as giving a wounded, distressed person his time and company when they need him most, I thought was just brilliant. It's like the all encompassing comfort of knowing your parent is there if you need them. I also loved seeing a subsequent Batman capture the essence of one of my favourite lines from The Dark Knight trilogy: 'Even something so simple and reassuring as putting a coat around a young boy's shoulders...to let him know the world hadn't ended'
The loss of the Buddy Movie goes hand in hand with this. Usually this was portrayed in Cop movies like the Lethal Weapon series, but it had other forms as well.
100% agree. And it seems that when we do see anything of the sort, the leads are either buffoons, raging misogynists, or otherwise "broken" in some way and needing fixing.
I have a co worker and she is this to a T. She has no honour in doing her job and rather spends time looking at her cell phone and browsing some esoteric mambo jambo. While I try to do my job.
@@PeteTheGrouch my point was how Society viewed a job not the person that's doing the job, they are two different things.. I've met janitors with more pride in their job than some physicians etc.
Heroic Men gives us mere mortal an inspiration to believe that impossible feats can be achieved... A Sikh grew listening to the bravery of Guru Gobind Singh, A Muslim grow up listing to stories of Karbala and Badr... There historical or religious figures help us going through tough times, even help us curb depressive thoughts...
I watched Armageddon today. I was crying at many points. I was laughing how much I was crying but I couldn't stop. It's a dumb movie yes, but my god the heroic characters, the self sacrifice by Bruce Willis' Harry. The father daughter relationship with Liv Tyler's Grace. Good old fashioned story telling about heroes being heroes and fathers being fathers.
@@RRTNZ Actually, it is LOT wiser than contemprary productions and people give it credit for. Just look at TV screen sthat start to "snow" split second before micrometeroite hits, due to jamming by ionized air... general principle of gravity assist, countdown starting long before T-10s.... "demo" of "astronaut training"....
The ending is spot on. Everything is fueled by resentment now, including filmmaking and especially with works that "borrow" creativity from existing successful franchises. I never thought of this part until now, often the first announcements or interviews with "creators" after releasing a woke version of something is how bad the franchise/subject was before this movement, and glee at the anticipated negativity from fans. No humility, no respect for the work that was already done to give the creators that existing foundation. I read somewhere society is creatively bankrupt right now. But it's worse than that, what we actually have is open warfare on the ideas and stories which uphold the values that taught us the importance of not giving up those same values. This is seen as the new virtue, and is literally the objective in so many of these (stolen) creations.
@@colloquialsoliloquy6391 I admittedly have not studied up on it's origins, my understanding is that it referred to someone who had broken out of the societal traditions and "group think", enough to question social conventions that may not make sense, or no longer made sense at the time. Definitely something necessary in human progression, as long as the "woke" mind is willing to engage with challenges to their ideas, which I think is the big difference in the modern version, to their detriment.
@@ChickVicious237 That's a good guess ,and kinda close ,but it was originally as way of describing somebody who dared to ask questions about false flag operations like 9/11 or the Gulf of Tonkin. And now ,in post Orwellian times, it has been rehashed to make right wingers think that purple haired lesbians control Hollywood. Amazing switch.
@@colloquialsoliloquy6391 that's interesting. I had heard the term arose from somewhere between the original civil rights movements of the 60's and the reintroduction of postmodernism in the 80's. The underlying idea is similar as you said, basically not being a "lemming" in response to certain situations. I normally hate to use the term, it's usually just a hot take buzzword meant to draw attention so I agree with your callout here. I myself am former "woke", have purple hair, naturally left leaning, and trying to understand the faults in my political "side" which continue to undermine the values we claim to hold. By focusing on group identity at the expense of individuality and humanity, truth and honesty, and pretty much everything else, the left are abandoning the very people they claim to represent. Doesn't mean the right are necessarily correct either lol, but I will be more careful in using the term woke, as it really has lost all weight at this point.
@@ChickVicious237 I fail to see ,how focusing on group identity ,comes at the expense of individuality and humanity. Because they seem like concrete terms ,but are actually vague as fuck. How can anything really reduce individuality? Men in trenches are still Dave who smokes and Pete with the beard And humanity? What? By group identity ,is that just a veiled way of saying LBGT or BLM? That reduces humanity? For me, the left and right boil down to two things The left thinks we progress by putting human rights laws above property laws The right thinks we progress ,but prioritizing property laws ,ad it will "trickle down" or "raise all boats" Seeing as the left has only existed for about 3 century's ,that means the right has had thousands of years to see if their way works ,and all we got ,were castles for them. Where do you think these buzzwords come from?
The fact that Reacher, a low budget crime series, out performed The Wheel of Time, a high budget, high concept, series, should say something about the popularity of a strong male lead.
For that matter, consider the massive popularity of the Reacher books, which have been coming out regularly since about 1997. The detective genre has a LOT of female readers, and a series wouldn't last in that market without appealling to them. My mom loves them. So, here we have a guy who makes Tarzan look like a sissy, has so little emotion that half his internal monologue is about coffee and quirky math trivia, and his series runs for 25 years, spawns two movies, and now has a TV show. Reacher does heroic things simply because he's BORED -- which has to be the most "sigma male" thing there is!
"Since it is so likely that (children) will meet cruel enemies, let them at least have heard of brave knights and heroic courage. Otherwise you are making their destiny not brighter but darker." -- C.S. Lewis
Moments like Sam's aid to Frodo would have to be sexualized now, seem most male bonding, writers only understand that way. I fear that the only way they've experienced freindship with males is the way they write them.
Modern writers don't understand brotherhood because they've never been in a situation that would teach them about it. We have all these kids growing up in broken homes without their fathers, and now they're writing our films, shows, and games. They're being raised to believe that the only thing that matters is sexual activity, so they watch Sam and Frodo and think that they're gay lovers. They don't understand that you can make deep bonds with someone without having a romantic attraction.
@@GIBBO4182 in the 90s Nintendo had a 4 controller system. We grouped up before that an they made something for us. Now everyone is alone or your parents are having a power fantasy with the fucking dogs
How about a perspective I never see: *little kids don't differentiate between heroic men and women.* Heros are heros to little kids. A little girl will see Aragorn and Boromir face off against the Orcs to save their companions and look up to them. They'll also see Eowyn do the same and want to be like her. Galadriel seems wise and beautiful and graceful to a little girl and that kid will want to be like her just like they want to be like Aragorn and Eowyn. I know this is a bit aside from the topic of the video but the adults in a discussion like this (typically in the comment sections) are frequently caught up in the gender politics and fail to consider that children don't actually care if their hero is a man or a woman unless they've already been taught to focus on that. Just a few cents I felt get missed a lot.
Yeah but saddest TRUTH is little kids, period !-- Have less and less authentic heroes MALE OR FEMALE TO LOOK UP TO...maybe George Reeve the original SUPERMAN won some kinda television awards during THE PEAK popularity of Super- Man....Imagine HIM...IN THE 50S(??)-- GOING OFF ALL WILL SMITH STYLE??-- HE'D BE SOOO DONE!!! IN HOLLYWEIRRD FORRREVVVERRR!-- lol...he wouldn't get so much as a ?? Commercial for KFC( NOT IF HE WILLINGLY WORE A? FOOL SIZED FULL BODIED CHICKEN SUIT..HEAD TO TOE..COMPLETELY HIDING HIS FACE!)- likewise 1970s... IMAGINE!!(??) SOMEONE LIKE A?SAMMY DAVIS JUNIOR HALF SHIT FACED STORMING UP ON THE STAGE TO SLAP MAYBE BILL COSBY(??) LOL. OR DEAN MAIN OR JERRY LEWIS FOR JOKING HIS CURRENT BEOTCH OR WHOMEVER..?? HE'D BE SOOO DONNE FORRREVVVERRR TOO...N' ER EVEN A TOTALLY SHITLESS DR. PEPPER COMMERCIAL OFFER..NADA!-
I think that’s an important point you bring up though. People look up to “heroes” in literature because they act like heroes. They’re not perfect, usually far from it but they’re good people. I feel like a lot of people feel like there can’t be a good Protagonist in Hollywood anymore. The ghostbuster reboot didn’t fail because they made the characters women, it failed because they were all insufferable characters with the only male lead being portrayed as an idiot. There’s no one that I would have looked up to in that movie, man or woman.
It's true! Throughout my teenage years my biggest hero and idol was Sherlock Holmes (from the books), and I tried to be clever like him, learning deduction and practicing my mind, and it gave me a lot. I didn't stop once thinking, "ah, shame he's a man, now I can't do it."
@@jorjor500 Not just insufferable characters, but in some cases just insufferable people behind the characters. Also the original crew of Ghostbusters were good friends and that friendship came through on the big screen. The female crew were there to get a paycheck.
I agree, it never occurred to me as a child that there were "boy heroes" or "girl heroes". There were heroes who were girls and boys and I loved them both
I remember rewatching the extended cut of two towers while I had COVID over Christmas break, at the end of it I just felt so uplifted and hopeful. These days are dark and bleak but we have to struggle through because that’s what makes “the old stories really matter.” They’re just such invigorating tales. Here was a story, when comes such another?
I'm probably young by some people's account. I remember being the odd one among the boys because I liked Luke more than Han or thought Superman was cooler than Batman. Of course I recognized how cool these other characters were but I admired the gleaming, heroic spirit of these peerless personas of heroism. Even back when I was a young kid I realized that most of my friends liked Han and Batman and other such characters because they liked the unrestrained freedom of the characters. They thought being Superman was lame because he never broke any bones, he never got to really hurt anyone. I realized they probably didn't actually want to be a genuine hero, they just wanted the power fantasies. Meanwhile, I loved Superman because he always saved the day with a smile on his face and that big S puffed out on his chest. I loved how he always did what was right. Probably why I'm such a stickler for the rules now but I try not to he a stick in the mud. My point in all this is to say I think the lack of heroism in out modern heroes is perhaps in some ways related to this diluted mindset of what heroism is. This idea that what makes someone a hero is the power to enact change and doing something to push society towards some vague direction of "better". But in reality what is played out on screen is mostly just a vapid power fantasy with a thin veneer of heroism laid over it. It started subtly but now we've got things like Captain Marvel and Naomi where they aren't even trying anymore.
I believe that you're describing two of the highest ideals of true heroism when talking of your love of Superman and Luke: Discipline and self-control. They are both capable of inflicting so much more damage, yet choose not to because of their individual morality and goodness as men. That's why they are my two favorite heroes as well.
Superman is like the ultimate power fantasy, he literally has no agency and thats why people find his character boring. He is functionally immortal and orders of magnitude more powerful than anything he had to face. Which is why people say the best superman stories are the ones where his moral compass becomes compromised even if that is out of character.
Best 5 minutes I've had engaging with my hearing in a bit. As a 40 something female whose lingered in Middle Earth since childhood I'm glad to to listen to others who feel the same, for the same reasons. Love of the stories.
It really does suck what happened to The Doctor. Last episode I watched was when Clara wiped 12th Doctor's mind, hopped onboard the TARDIS decked out as a 50s diner, and left with Ashildr... wherever. When news of the following season broke out + revealing the Doctor being a woman, the gal who bingewatched the show with me watched the first and half the second episode and told me not to bother. Not long after that many people started berating the series and our dear Drinker released a few videos explaining some of the shit the writers have done to the show. RIP, _Doctor Who_ 1963 - 2015
There is an idealized heroic man in every little boy. I grew up reading Edgar Rice Burroughs, Jack London, I never had a plan simply a desire for the gentleman's adventure story like Richard Francis Burton. I graduated from High School a year early was in the USMC reserves at age 17. Lied about my age and worked as a cooler in bars owned by the mob at age 19. Back into the USN SAR. Corporate Security, PMC, a civil war in Guatemala, a civil war in Yemen, tracking through five continents of adventure and danger. A wonderful beautiful virtuous wife great children and never a hero merely inspired and perhaps a bit bored. The difference between a hero and a fool is a zig or a zag and a bit of luck and either take some self confidence.
Tolkien is a high standard in any era-- not only one of the most learned scholars of heroic epics in academia of the last century, but an orphan raised by selfless men & a veteran of the Great War.
Being a teacher, I can say that this is absolutely correct. Right now, the 20 something generation can't write about something not directly related to their life. Look at all the Marvel TV shows. The characters you see are basically the writer's life written into a super hero. Only thing is, they can't write about being a hero because they can't imagine being a hero. Mostly because they're completely selfish.
What? Plenty of great writers have written main characters that are essentially themselves. Lots of Stephen King stories have protagonists that are writers.
@@adamcaldwell5646 However, the writer only has a base similarity to King. The rest is pure fiction. Talisman, Black House, Thad Beaumont (what was that book...).
"Conceived out of spite" is perfect! Thank you for putting that out there. I don't think its wrong to say that it was intentional when some of these rights were purchased that it was to destroy rather than portray.
I'm sorry that Hollywood has done that and ruined the experiences of young people like yourselves. I remember when I was in college back in the '80's. I had started reading comics again after a 7 year hiatus. I stopped reading them when I was 13 because I was getting into sports, and they were written more for little kids back then. I did play AD&D off and on to satisfy my inner nerd. What changed my mind about comics was an article that I read in Wizard Magazine and Dragon Magazine about Miller's "Return of the Dark Knight" and "The Fall of the Mutants." It was then that I visited my first Comic Book Store when I was 20 years old. I bought a huge stack of comics which made the guy behind the counter stare at them and me for a minute. I told him about my hiatus, and my need to make up for lost time, and he responded by welcoming me back. I felt like I had finally returned home, and I bought more every Thursday when they would release the new titles. I dreamed that one day they would make Marvel movies that didn't suck when Tim Burton's Batman movie came out the next year. (You've probably guessed my age by now: 55). 😉 I even thought up some ideas of my own. Little did I know that my dream would turn into a nightmare. Ray Bradbury got it wrong. You don't destroy books by burning them. You destroy them by perverting them or burying them in a mound of other shitty books. But we can learn from "Fahrenheit 451." They preserved the books by memorizing them, so they could one day return them to print. We can preserve the art of the past by purchasing as much as we can and preserving it. DON'T purchase electronic print or purchase from Streaming Services. Those can be changed and deleted. Purchase hard copies. DVD's, Books, Records. Purchase them while you still can and preserve them carefully. I learned how to do that with my comic collection. Read as much as you can to keep your mind active, so you can remember and pass on this knowledge to others. Avoid society's new versions of Memory Holes. One day the people will have another Renaissance. They will find these lost art pieces just like western Europeans did when they traveled to Constantinople during the Crusades. It will open up a new age of hope and exploration. To quote Abraham Lincoln at the Wisconsin State Agricultural Society: "And this too shall pass away."
I don't know if I should consider myself fortunate to have grown up with some of the greatest stories ever told or unfortunate to have to watch story telling die
In some ways, both. It is bittersweet and hold on to those memories and emotions and be the one that keeps them alive and past them to a new generation. So long as those are alive to tell them, those stories and emotions behind them as well as teaching will never die.
Story telling will never fully die. There will always be people who just want to write a story. I myself am a writer who is working on writing a small indie comic series of fantasy and superheroes with other writers on deviantart. So no, story telling will never go away. Those with a passion for writing will always be there to write good stories. You just have to look and be willing to give money to help support small indie comics, writers, and artists or some of those stories will never grow.
@@kyanrinel5898 That's a misuse of that phrase, since it means he's attacking imaginary enemies. Otherwise it's willful ignorance, with the sole purpose of discrediting.
I mean MauLer is the fucking King if you ask me, simply for being so damn thorough and unyielding in his pursuit of clarity and truth. But yeah, Nerd and Drinker are absolutely at the top with him. No question.
What caught my attention was Pippen's journey to maturity. Especially when he had to be separated from Merry. When the steward had him sing for him as the soldiers were marching to their doom and Pippen was describing the occasions hobbits sang their songs he looks directly at Denethor as emphasis when he said, "...evil times". At the end when they're saying goodbye to Frodo, Merry is devastated but Pippen, although emotional as well, looks at peace with Frodo having to leave. It made a very striking visual to demonstrate how much he matured throughout their quest.
I remember growing up my favourite films were Gladiator, Braveheart, Troy, the Lord of the Rings films and The Patriot. Flawed yet strong heroic male characters who usually paid the ultimate sacrifice in order to save the day for those they have sworn to protect or avenge. Now, every single one of those characters is "toxic masculinity" and as you gents touched on, examples of historic misogyny and racist stereotypes of a bygone age... Many of those stories are timeless for a reason. They were inspiring to 13 year old me who was getting bullied at school, to stand up for others who had the same dealt to them. Inspired to make myself better than those around me who wanted nothing more than to tear me down for not being a "thug" like them. Where are those characters for this generation of boys to look to???
Steve Harrington from Stranger Things. I'm being 100% serious here. Guy starts off as sort of an asshat but grows and becomes one of the best and most interesting characters on the show. You want an ideal role model for this generation, it's him.
those movies were the ones that I bought and put on repeat for myself to watch because they were so inspiring. the music was epic, the values it taught were 2nd to none and the characters were invested. it made the story of epic proportion. we need these movies
It's amazing how even bad films from the 80's are so watchable and enjoyable, while most films from last ten years as so bland that halfway through you are just done. I think the reason could be that the people who created the 80's films wanted to entertain their audiences and that come through even if it was poorly done while the people today want to sell the message, and after a hard days work what do you want to watch?
I can barely remember more than 5 films made since 2010 and regularly peruse lists of obscure films to find new content to watch. There's good stuff out there, it's just under the radar.
The 80s was characterised by unrestrained and non-self-conscious creativity i think. People wore all kinds of crazy stuff and had wild hair and they made all sorts of music and movies etc without a care in the world Then in the 90s everyone became super introspective, guilt-ridden, judgemental etc
@@manfrombritain6816 You are spot-on with the creativity aspect - the filmmakers of then pursued any an all topics that they deemed important to build their stories. Also, I would say that a lot of the film makers covered VASTLY more ground/topics on social issues through their commentary on society, with ONE major difference: they knew how to to take a societal or political issue and weave it so well into a story, that you could probably watch it and not even realize you were watching a movie that even HAD a political or cultural message. You can't say that of movies or series anymore. Was all of these movies made with the greatest sensitivity towards their subject matter? Perhaps not, but it had the benefit of people being open to whatever messaging the movies wanted to pursue. I can't say the same about current day movies or series.
There is a lot to enjoy and learn from stories about tragic heroes, or anti-heroes, but I think our culture needs more stories of true heroes. Paragons may seem impossible to live up to, but the act of trying will see greater gains than not. A sort of shoot for the moon, miss, but still land among the stars sort of scenario.
I concur, though I will argue that this backlash culture has against paragons as unreachable smacks of ignorance. The WWII generation was REAL. There will always be shitters, rapists, murderers, and warmongerers in every generation, but let us not forget those who did their duty to stand up against such things. Many of the heroes who fought and died or fought and survived to return home battered by war were normal people who chose to do their part. The fact that this generation refuses to acknowledge that means they don't believe not just that other people can do what is right, but that there is a right and a wrong... at least until somebody does something they disagree with, and then they have a meltdown rather than standing up with noble intent... because they don't know how to do that and don't believe it exists.
Aragorn's speech at the black gate and Sam picking up and carrying Frodo up Mt. Doom is still the only movie moment that can get tears from me. There are still good things left in the world, and they are worth fighting for.
"Dirt is easier to wash off than blood." -Maximus This line sums up everything that makes Maximus the ultimate heroic male figure. Maximus respects his enemies, loves his men and does his duty only so he can return home to his family. He is chided by his other generals for wanting to just be home because he knows as a Man nothing, including the glory of Rome, is more important than your family.
I was thinking about that the other day, how there used to be genuine excitement for a new super hero film, reading about it and looking forward to it, and now, it's like there's an uneasy caution, wondering how they will ruin it. That's how I'm feeling about Obi Wan right now.
I felt that way about the new DUNE. For the greatest part, I loved it, and only have a few very minor gripes, but I'm still worried, because of what they might do in turning it into "The Zendaya/ Chani Chronicles" in the second half. Yes, it stacked up a lot of Oscar nominations, and a bunch of wins... but I'm fearful for the " Ok.. we saw what you did, and that was mostly fine.. but we'd like you to tone down the men thing, and boost women in every way...". I hope Denis Villeneuve can stay strong to his tenets and keep his vision alive... Producers and "people who don't know anything about the source material, but are all about the money and perception" are what ruined David Lynch's DUNE and left a lot of it on the cutting room floor.
I think Rogue One still had some heroic menn. I'd say the guys who try to hold off Vader, with the one guy holding the Death Star data telling the guys on the other side of the door to just take the data, knowing very well that he's going to die.
Rogue One was the right movie at the wrong time; a reminder that this franchise could still do great things before Kennedy's Lucasfilm sprung the VERY cursed Last Jedi on us and destroyed any good will and left us behind to rant. This is why I wish the "Culture War" and the instigators behind it never existed.
I totally agree with you guys, in that I don't get excited when movies come out anymore. I don't look forward to anything that is coming out these days because so much is poorly written and laced with identity politics. Netflix announced a live action He Man movie that is coming..... I can only imagine how bad that will be
Same. Even when people were telling me that No Way Home or The Batman were decent movies (I decided to use the most recent examples) I honestly didn’t expect them to be good. I didn’t even allow myself to say that I liked them until an entire week passed. It’s so hard to look at anything new with anything but cynicism. Drinker’s one of the few reviewers I put any stock in since he knows what he’s talking about and he’s honest
"For a true hero isn't measured by the size of their strength. But by the strength of his heart." This quote definitely rings true because woke writers nowadays think that beating up the bad guy is the only thing that defines a hero instead of truly understanding what it means to be a hero.
I find myself shunning modern entertainment and retreating to reading old classics. I miss more traditional male/female roles. I miss men and women working together using their strengths and covering for each other’s weaknesses (e.g Han, Leia, and Luke). I don’t want to watch a woman kick a man across the room unless there is reasonable justification for why she has the power to do it (e.g. Wonder Woman). I want women of war to be the exception, not the rule (e.g. Eowyn). I grew up a child of the 80’s enjoying female representation in film. Now it has been just OBNOXIOUS. Everything is so unbalanced and toxic. I miss male heroes. I miss their stories. Why are women even attracted to the betas that are common in entertainment today?
"Why are women even attracted to the betas that are common in entertainment today?" They aren't (or at least I have a very hard time they are). Society just says it's what's "in" at the moment, until the realization comes after getting into a relationship with one, that it isn't. And it will never be. And how could/would it!? Human biology doesn't give a flying fuck about pushed woke societal agendas. Deep down, our natural hardwiring kicks in. That's why things are so fucked right now with unhappy relationships. People are going (or at least expected to go) against their own base instincts, then wondering why they feel so out-of-sorts and unfulfilled. No one can convince me that Pete Davidson is the representation of "the new man" that women want.
Women aren't "attracted" to them in the traditional hormonal sense. They think some of them are nice to look at, and some of them deliver entertaining dialogue. Women would hook up with them so they could get the free dinner and show them off to their friends, but the resulting marriage would be dull, short, and unfaithful.
"why are women even attracted to betas?" Because they are told too. If you abduct a child and put them in a bunker and indoctrinate them their whole lives to believe in something, guess what? They are going to believe. The elite have subverted us long ago and generations have been bred to be a certain way, even in spite of their instincts.
A creator's motivations, I believe, will always be inherently shown in their characters. If a creator makes something, whether it be a book or a movie or a TV show, out of a genuine love for a franchise or a piece of intellectual property, it will show in the care taken to write that character, and you'll walk away better for just having related to that character, no matter what race or gender or whatever that character is. But if a creator makes something just to spite the people who came before, then you know the character is empty and vacuous for that very same reason - they show no care for it, they're just out to destroy it. They are, by nature, unable to have that character do something heroic - because there's nothing noble there, because there was never an authorial intent for the character to *be* noble. And it presents a dangerously warped moral viewpoint, because the kind of selfless sacrifice or courage in the face of fear isn't just absent, it's almost reviled nowadays, simply because it's part of the "old tradition" that we need to "get rid of", according to these people. It's a remarkably terrifying prospect, all said.
I have to say I loved the seen when the gates are being smashed in and Gandalf says "You are soldiers of Gondor! Whatever comes through that gate you will stand you ground!" Just to epic! I watch the whole trilogy again over the weekend and I was tearing up at so many moments that had such beautiful and courageous moments.
The Battle of Pellenor Fields in Return of the King is probably the most heroic moment in any film for me. Especially after Theoden's speech to his men. It made me want to get on a horse and ride with those brave soldiers, knowing they are riding to their eminent doom but still not going down without a fight. Wanting to fight with their very beings to protect their homes and their loved ones.
And on the Hawkeye show, he goes out of his way to protect a young woman that has gotten herself into trouble, even thought he just wants to go home to his family and celebrate Christmas. He even has himself captured by the bad guys at one point, in order protect her. Clint Barton is a very heroic man.
And he said it to Wanda! After all the shit that has been dumped on the Scarlet Witch in the comics, this for me was the defining moment of the movie; it was two characters that I've known since I was 8 years old (and that was more than half a century ago) finally getting the recognition they had always deserved. "If you go back out there, you are an Avenger."
>"Harr harr, I wanna see fanboy tears" I used to date a woman. And when I heard her talk like that about some ugly reboot of a beloved old cartoon, gloating online about her hatred for men, only to play the victim when criticized, I knew she wasn't the one. So I got out of there.
I had a friend casually mention a while ago (I think when we were watching Luca) that he can't remember the last time there was a movie with a positive role model character for men/boys. Disney is famous for its princess movies, and are largely targeted towards girls and young women. Star Wars used to be for boys (as Lucas said countless times) but we all know how that ended up when Disney bought them. I feel like if a company really bonded together and created a movie with a relatable and respectable male character (Treasure Planet comes to mind) who goes through a semi-classic journey, males all over the world would flock to it.
It's not dead for me Jason Statham, Sylvester Stallone and Keanu Reeves still carry this legacy. Why 60s-2000s always will have the best films for creativity and awesomeness and dudes and girls kicking butt. Yes we had good ones in 2010s but it doesn't compare to the days of old.
I remember that feeling of seeing a great movie in the theater. The elation and inspiration of a well told story used to jazz me up for days. That hasn't happened in years and now I just don't even feel like trying. I'm not going to pay to be insulted, degraded, demonized and disgusted. Right now, I would rather take a job as a moving target for cluster bombs than be a movie critic.
GRRM defined courage better than anyone: 'one can only be courageous when they are afraid' This principle is what I live my life by and try to instill into my child, that fear is natural. What we do when we are afraid defines us. If we do what we must no matter how scared we are, we are displaying courage. Do what we must for the sake of others with an expected great cost to oneself, and you'll be displaying heroic behaviour It's not always the suicidal charge out of Helms Deep. Sometimes heroism is sharing the last morsel of supplies with Frodo so he can finish his quest. Self sacrificing people are all around us
It's funny, the last time I genuinely got excited for a movie to be made was when they announced that the 'Fellowship of the Ring' was in production. I remember reading it in Daily Mirror newspaper and they gave a breakdown of the main cast. I was not disappointed of the final result when it hit the cinemas. Good times my friends, good times indeed
This is huge. I remember in my "Creative Writing" classes (which was a bunch of post-modern garbage) that anything a man did had some sort of selfish motivation that for them there was no real answer where a man gave himself for the sake of others. There was always some ulterior selfish motive.
It’s literally why I love anime. They do not give a singular fuck about writing heroic male characters. They ALSO, write awesome heroic Female characters with very little effort. Fuck Hollywood.
One of my favourite scenes was in marvel when Loki took over Earth and said something along the lines of 'I am your new god, now kneel.' and everybody quickly gets on their knees... Except one old man. Perfectly timed (there was a perfect pause in the scene... Goosebumps) he said "No, not to men like you." He had no super powers, he was old and probably wouldn't even land a punch against him. Fear probably radiated out of him. Yet he was willing to get shot by Loki (of course cap came in and saved him, which also, in itself is amazing because he represents what America is suppose to be and protecting that man represents that). But he didn't know cap was coming then. He just stood their saying no even when he knew death was coming. All because he didn't want to knell to a man like Loki. Which is a whole other thing. Loki, even though he got really close, Still failed his goal because one old man said no.
I would say, some of the first books I read that truly helped me understand what a hero was of course Lord of the Rings but also the Prydain Chronicles which rather well portrayed a proper hero's journey, from the character who started out only caring about his own glory to in the end willing to sacrifice a life of paradise to rebuild his war torn country..even several of the Dragonlance novels, especially The Legend of Huma. In all those they taught principles of a true hero, humility, firmness, self sacrifice, in other cases; tolerance and mercy without betraying their principles or weakening their own position. True heroes....not these jokes who call themselves social justice warriors.
Hell yes! The Chronicles of Prydain, while rather simple and written for children/young adults, is an overlooked masterpiece and doesn't get nearly the attention it deserves.
Taran is one of the best character arcs of fiction. A young man with no major talents and a lot of personality flaws... but also a big desire to do the right thing, and slowly, ever so slowly, because his heart's in the right place he becomes a true hero on his own merits. In this era of either perfect prodigy protagonists or anti-heroes, he's a well-done, immensely relatable breath of fresh air.
@@TheAchilles26 That was definitely my least favorite as a child, but rereading it as an adult made me really appreciate the (fantastic, as you said) character development.
I loved Lord of the Rings..the trilogy was wonderful. I loved it because it showed beings from different species coming together, self sacrificing with no promise of reward other than doing what was right. Beautiful story about friendship, trust, loyalty and fulfilling ones potential. Those are themes that should transcend race, ethnicity, gender and sexual orientation. I, as a biracial woman, came away feeling like an uplifted human being even though no one in the cast looks like me. I want movies that have a good story, good character development...not something trying to check off some social boxes.
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My buddy's daughter, as a four-year-old, used to tell people her career ambition was "to kill bad guys". Her parents raised her on westerns, Magnum PI, Burn Notice, and basically whatever else her dad watched. She requested a Bowie knife for her 15th birthday, because Arthur Morgan used one.
I have felt the decline of the hero first hand. I work in the ER, and when the coof first broke out, we went to work to do our duty, we did the extra hours, sometimes even up to 48h shifts, we did all that was asked and required of us and more, with barely any protection gear. We were lauded as heroes, we got some coffee on the house here, some bakery snacks there, we didn't ask for them but it was nice to get them. Then we were asked to get the jab, then we were told to get the jab, when some of us refused, we were villified. We just wanted to continue working, but we were told we are the monsters now...
In time all whole serve the system will find themselves in a similar position. But remember, without those who serve the system, we would be free of it...
My favourite heroic moment from the books was when Frodo turned and faced Schelob. He didn't slay a giant monster or fight a battle, he just stopped fleeing and walked steadily towards something that terrified him.
@@mojo-hand4539 its really well written. A faithful, no nonsense whodunit story with likeable characters and moral preaching or social/political lectures.
Ok I know this is not going to happen but god damn I wish you guys would be able to write the LOTR new adaptation because you guys have the passion of what a story telling should be and have sense enough to respect what was set by the author himself.
This video was linked to me by my son. Excellent video and so much truth. I really dread when I hear about new projects and adaptations because I know they are going to mess it all up.
I remember the good old days when "subverting expectations" wasn't some kind of weird code talk meaning "we're going to completely fuck this up" in a clearly angry and hateful way because we don't like what the original person did or we didn't like who the original person was. They put a finger right on it with the whole situation with Amazon all they wanted was the license they didn't give a damn about anything Tolkien actually wrote they just wanted the ability to take the world and do with it what they would. It's sick and twisted but it very much feels in line with current politics and attitudes. And of course when it inevitably crashes and burns they'll blame it everything besides the actual quality of the show.
I think Amazon should have left Tolkien’s work alone and instead should of bought film rights to the elder scrolls. Granted they’d fuck that up too. But coincides more with what they went for
4:38 THAT exactly is my biggest problem with movies today. I can’t remember the last time I watched a movie and feeling inspired or happy afterwards! Thanks you so much.
In the environment the story was written, it was a refreshing take. It's not GoT's fault that the cultural zietgeist shifted to malicious commie agitprop.
Game of Thrones had different dramatic goals from LOTR. The latter was about heroism and moral victory. The former was about politics and history, and how these 2 things interact with and cloud our perception of heroism and mythology.
GOT and LOTR are two different narratives. LOTR was about "giving your all, pushing past your limits, friendship, etc". As in contrast GOT mirrors IRL history were sometimes the bad guy is the one who dies peacefully in his sleep. History isnt always kind to the ones that give the most, love the most, or have the biggest heart. Sometimes history rewards those with the most and got there by any means. Thats why people like GOT, they relate more to it, because they see it everyday. As for LOTR its target audience was for people that are looking for inspiration, escapism, or they just love seeing the bad guy get the crap beat out of him. Are any of these wrong? No, ofc not, its subjective. People are going to like what they like, nothing you can do about it.
