The Death Of The NBA Stretch Four Era | Kevin Durant & JJ Redick 

It was for ONE game tho If magic was that successful playing centre he woulda done it more especially after Kareem retired

Yea i remember those guys used to be called "tweeners". Stuck in between positions. Not really a 4 but not really a 3 either or plays like a 3 but is built like a 4 and shoots like a 5 lol

Also magic was usually put on the worst player on defence guards to fast for hom and bigs dominated

I don't think they stopped looking for them, I just think the talent pool exploded, but they were still going for tall players who were obviously skilled like Penny Hardaway. Plus, big guys stopped wanting to play like big guys and started wanting to play the perimeter so their skills started to expand. Ever since I've been playing, very few big guys actually want to play the post

The NBA has all types of players, but it's whatever type of player that, for whatever reason, breaks out as a superstar that ends up getting treated as a novelty. For instance, when I started watching basketball in the late 80s, short players were trending, mainly because of Spud Webb who'd won the slam dunk contest. at 5'6 tall.

Lol if you haven’t you should watch mark cuban destroy skip on his own show, they act like clowns sometimes

@@LokTar_Ogar93 I've seen that and felt secondhand embarrassment for Bayless.😂

100%. And I would say I like JJ's the best. A lot of people love All the Smoke and Richard Jefferson's too. But this is more my speed. Cool there's so many options to hear from players.

And that's why this has 600k views. Meanwhile there are 30 sports talk shows on cable right now with 200 viewers

Draymond can’t handle the ball like Lamar

died out? nahhh thats all the nba now

@@Johenz Na, it’s dead. Basketball is now positionless. We have Point Centers, Point Forwards, Power Guards etc. You name it, there’s a player with that skillset. The game is just that diverse/skilled.

@@ifheavenwashuman woah power guards? List one of em cuz I can’t think of a single one it’s either point forwards like luka or stretch bigs like KAT, do you mean devin booker maybe? Idk I never hear power guard before

@@mattpassos5689 Power Guards as in super aggressive/physical guards. Russell Westbrook, Jrue Holiday, Gilbert Arenas come to mind immediately. Even Harden can be used as an example.

@@mattpassos5689 Anthony Edward is a power guard

Honestly the 3-4 to me is the same exact position. Just two forwards that you want to guard at least 2-4 if not 1-5. And that can score anywhere

@@lancey8366 ya 3 and 4 are so similar nowadays its barely any difference only thing i would say is i want my 4 to be a bit stronger than the 3 and i want the 3 a little faster. So like PG13 and Kawhi, though PG is taller he is not as strong so Kawhi plays the 4 more than Paul does. Usually the 3 helps with defending guards while the 4 helps with guarding bigs. Imo a perfect NBA team has 3 wings on the floor at all times, i would always have a sf playing the 2 if my 5 isnt 7ft or taller.

KD is a stretch four

Who is The best Stretch 1

@@lotuslife3239 u made a great point but imma just correct u at 1 thing When kawhi n pg are on the court they're actually 2 n 3 with a stretch 4 morris or batum Pg has always been a natural 2 guard but he switches when they play small ball

Great call! I agree !!

Elite defender when he wanted also! Prime Odom was a matchup nightmare

@@chill5709 Smart player as well.

@@chill5709 Smart player as well.

Don’t forget the matrix, same kind of mold as these guys

I was In shock when I first started seeing Amare and Duncan shooting 3s towards the end of their careers you can tell that was the shift of the nba for the PF position

@@marcocano8399 neither of those guys ever really shot threes, they made a midrange game for themselves, but never stepped back those few feet

Also Chris Bosh

@@gkdunch Dirk shot plenty of threes in his career.

​@@joshuajones2115 i didn't say anything about dirk

@Jim Brave majority of teams don't post up period. Especially power forwards. It's not 2004 anymore dawg

Yesterday, I was watching a lineup of Seth Curry, Kyrie, Patty Mills, Bruce Brown, and Kevin Durant run over the Knicks. That's 3 guards 6-3 and under, 6-5 Bruce Brown, and a small forward in Kevin Durant.

Evan Mobley is the archetype for the future

@@ProdByCAV0 yep the days of the zach randolph-david west type of 4 are long gone.

@@ProdByCAV0 it’s not the fact that it’s 2004. Nobody is built like 6’10 260 of all muscle

Yea but he was only 18-19 then

@@jacktowntrey7414 damn I thought he was 30 when he got drafted

Lebron been in the league since I was 3 and I have been out of HS for 4 years now 😅

@@mattpassos5689 😂😂

@@jacktowntrey7414 Yes but KD is a rare player. He has been in his prime for over 10 years that's rare for a NBA player

John Walker III from TSU is the next version of KD

maybe not back in the days, but in today's game for sure.

Me😭 I’m 6’9 I could be in the league but all I got is a turnaround jump hook lmao

High school coaches make you play center if you’re 6’3+ when those niggas should be guards.

@@GHXST_O1 Thats all u need son

KD is the best

Facts

That’s the era I came up in. I miss those days.

Don’t miss those days…. Lewis was a 4 on that Orlando team that went to the finals.

Even drik played as a sf for a period at beginning of his career

@@MrFrankello I remember that lol That’s because it was so uncommon and weird for pf’s to shoot 3’s

The raptors current tallest player is 6'8

I didn’t know it was a thing until now.. But I think JJ and KD just came up with it on the spot 😭

Can you imagine a heathy Oden & Brandon Roy?? I’m my opinion, that looks like another Shaq and Kobe like duo

Steph curry’s first all star game was Dwight Howard’s last that was the moment for me

deandre ayton was number one overall, joel embiid was gonna be number one over all...... tf

He avg 15/9 and 3 blocks it was good but remarkable might be pushing it plus they didn’t even make it to the elite 8 that year

Ayton was drafted 1st overall just a few years ago lol

Toni Kukoč was a stretch 4 in the NBA, but before that he played SF in Europe, even guard on some occasions. Basically KD before KD.

Detlef and Horry was crazy.

fr you could tell

@@tcsnakeyes5 Yeah they dumbed it down for y'all.

The 2 dudes with no experience had no Intel cause the the basketball IQ in this conversation is so high. Quality conversation

Tommy represents us fans! Lol

yeah but the 5 still has to stay a 5 while being skilled. Still have to anchor the defense

Shard would still be a stretch 4 tho. He wasn't slow like most plodding stretch 4s. He was the original 3man playing the 4. Not sure what jj means here

4 generally is a big wing. You got versatile 4s like Siakam and John Collins who are still 4s but yeah, that position is a big forward. Not the traditional back-to-basket types.

@@Chronz Shard played poor defense. I do wonder how he would adjust to this era. That said, he would be a killer off the bench in this era.

KG was SF his rookie year 😂

KG came before Dirk

The only thing Mavs were lacking was another big man who could shoot as a center and space the floor for dirk, already had a complete squad but I don't think even Kobe would defend that if a center shot the three. The ideal center would shoot, shot block / get offensive rebounds and play defense. Shaq wouldn't be able to guard that in that final.

@@BoosterGoldEarth6dirk a way better Shooter than KG

Naw Dirk Was before KD

@@omcritzy 2011 Tyson Chandler proves that false. We just needed a competent physical center

Same here. idk why Mark Jackson hasn't had a new head coaching job yet but that Warriors team when Steve Kerr took over wasn't the same team that Mark Jackson coached. That player and ball movement drastically increased and it even showed in their AST to FG ratio.

FACTS!

You missing that draymond didnt know what type of player he was and GSW had a 20pt 10reb guy in David Lee. Draymond was considered a sf but he subbed in mainly to play along side or for David Lee. He was already doing that with Mark Jackson. Kerr instead took out the big man and had david Lee playing center until he got hurt. This team was already made

good job bro .... you can't blame them,they just watch nba highlights & then acted like they know everything ...... yeah,mark jackson favored playing harrison barnes more than draymond green ..... it was steve kerr who unleashed green & played him what he is now .... & it worked for them .... been watching nba as a kid since 1989 ...... I saw how good isiah thomas is & I saw the real 🐐 michael jordan won his 1st ring to his last .....

Facts on facts

well he's def not 'extremely" fidgety". I work in the healthcare field. I seen "extremely" fidgety. He's not even close to "extremely". But yeah he'll probably never gain weight due to his metabolism and genetics

@@macabree5856 exactly

@@macabree5856 Wow! I cant even imagine what extremely fidgety would look like. Crazy!

@@zfk1000 you’re wrong

Even before kd was there. WhTs the point of having tall interior shot blockers if teams launch 3’s over your heads the whole game

Iso those goofy guys in space and they’re nothing. That’s what Kd helped bring

Smart take

Agreed. Also the rules now reward facing the basket.

Carmelo was a traditional small forward can guard some 4s but in today’s nba he’s a 6’8 four

Reading this is nuts now because you basically predicted the twolves getting Gobert

Damn you knew exactly what the twolves were gonna do lol

You just saw that if you watched this season. Both kat and golbert were out matched in speed. And it'll open the three ball. If the warriors are consistent in the road, they'd destroy the wolves at home. Over all it just didn't work for the wolves and the nuggets still beat them 4-2. Nuggets did have enough size though

Also if kat is guarding the three and gets beat trying to catch up to a guard/ forward attacking the rim, golbert would leave his man open supposedly and that's like an easy bucket if you're big hunny.

OTE is pretty much that. We are moving towards that.

I don't know why Blake fell off. It's not like he was incapable of that transition. In fact, he made one of the most impressive transitions I've ever seen. He was playing like a lebron type player in Detroit fir a season before he fell off. He went from a pick and roll funking 4, to a ball handling passing and 3 point shooting 3. And did it WELL. And THEN he became terrible.

Fatherless too

Thought I was the only one this this the only place to find high level basketball conversation

I swear I'm a hooked like phonics.

Are you new? Did you go back into the archives? Back in the Bubble? This podcast is why I know that anyone who thinks the bubble championship was fake or easy is a casual.

lmao IDGAF about the bubble! What a strange comment. Did I even mention "the bubble"? No. Is it a crime to re-listen to old pods of players I respect & whose opinions I value? Get that hate out of your heart

@@EJ-jw9ow? Sorry? I wasn't trying to imply that you did.... That's just back when this version of the podcast started. I was wondering if you listened to it back then or went back to is all. The conversation with players back then was amazing. I'm pretty sure we agree about the pod, didn't mean to make it sound like I didn't....

the raptors damn near doing this right now haha

@@haroonrasheed2851 That's one team though. Also, they have no real center, and of those 6'6" - 6'8" forwards that they have, I'd say only like 2 of them are skilled enough to handle guard duties.

The league needs dominate force. Not embiid because he shoots more than he posts up. Like a real dominate big man. But the way these generation of players are coming out, we’ll probably never see that. Unless someone decides to go against the grain.

@@The_Crown-Codm Embiid post up as much than he shoot, also posting up doesn't mean you can't shoot while doing it and that's what Embiid does just like Ewing and Robinson was able to shoot middys too. Jokic is dominant back to the basket but he is an balkans bigs which means that he is more complete than traditional bigs

There are dominant back to the basket bigs rn as we speak. They’re just more skilled and complete offensively. They can work from the perimeter but when they get to the block they’re still a problem.

Theres gonna be a player like that but he gonna be able to pull up from 30 too

@@The_Crown-Codm Nah embiid is the ideal back to the basket dude who can do EVERYTHING. Absolute beast in the paint.

Slow teams exist today, miami philly and boston are slow half court teams, the main problem with stretch 4s are their inability to defend the pick and roll. You cant just sag off the handler today and call it a day.

@@markpagtama7954 can't speak for miami cause I haven't seen them play but philly and boston have ball dominant players. Lot of their offense is their stars getting a shot they want. From what I'm hearing, miami is the only team out the three that's close to having an identity and that's really just from culture. Correct me if im wrong on that. 4s and 5s in general cant gaurd a smaller quicker player. That dont mean Im not gonna pick up Kristaps Porzingis on my team if I have the chance and need him. And I wont put a 3 in the 4 place just to say they can put a body on anybody. If that's truly a player skillset like ben simmons, then fine. But everybody is not like that. There's a flaw in every type of lineup or style of play

@@ree3119 thats ehat theyre talking about in the podcast, instead of playing a guy like kristaps in the 4 you put him in the 5 because youre going to play a team with someone like kd in the 4 thats going to abuse your defense.

@@markpagtama7954 If they wanna do that, that sounds like the interior d would get softer. KD size can put a body on a 4 but that's straight post work for that 4. How long could kd put effort in low post D and still be efficient offensively before getting gassed or foul trouble? Now I know its a double edge sword, cause kd is gonna torch whoever is in front of him. This is the same problem GS had during they championship era(before kd). Small ball & can shoot the lights out. But they never had a good C and teams that played big exposed that defense. Majority of the league tried to copy them and lost because they tryna play GS game rather than play to their strengths. You're gonna lose that matchup one way or another vs draymond if you try to put a smaller guy on him that doesn't typically play frontcourt just because he's small for his position. To me postionless basketball is just fancy term for my team is lacking in a certain area. I'm rambling. I'm not in the nba, so what do I know

@@ree3119 thats the thing they dont have to, play small, get the ball in transition fast, abuse the slow 4 in half court. Dare the other team to outscore kd on the 4 with a low post player. Its just not possible.

Let's put things into perspective. When he was drafted, the OKC Thunder was still the Seattle Supersonics. So, yeah, KD's been here a while

Maxi kleber when he runs the 4

@@ATF- Idk if I would classify him as pure stretch four. He rim runs and is the Mavs´ primary rim protector. Maybe a two-way-stretch?

@@Goxilla Alright then Markkenen, at least when lonzo playing

Danilo Gallinari is a classic stretch 4

AD cos he refuses to play the 5 lol

They'll be seen more as role players than starting 5

Agreed.

its true that they are shifty as hell, but they will also be a defensive liability. boston had defensive liabilities for years with IT and kemba, but now they just put Smart at the 1 and they could use their length and good team defense to counter the smaller guys

Lonzo can 100 percent guard the "little guys", his perimeter defense is elite

They’ll always have a spot buy that spot will begin to diminish if they can start finding more 6’9-6’10 guys like Ben Simmons with good defensive instincts and athletic ability to match quick little guys

he's in the nba 😭😭😭😭

@@chriswilliams6659 so? There’s so many nba players that don’t love basketball and r just there because they r good at it

@@chriswilliams6659 You think everybody that does their job well enjoys it?

@@kuhfusskatsadventures Faulty comparison. These guys are the best of the best of the best at something. To get here they've had to obsess about basketball. Live it, breathe it. All consuming. Not the same as some Joe Shmoe clocking in for a 9-5 to put food on the table for his family. It's a safe bet that nearly all NBA players love/enjoy basketball. They might not like the travel, talking to the media, rehab, etc but rest assured the core game of basketball is their life's work and they love it.

@@MazevG kyrie

Yeah everyone talk about how Jokic and Embiid can shoot 3s but most of their production comes from being paint monsters

He didn’t say that tho

RIP!! HAAAAAAMILLLTOOOON

His movement off the ball maybe the best ever, maybe Reggie has him.

Who is Ryan and Brandon?

@@blitzy7961 Ryan Anderson and Brandon Bass

@@brotheris33 they were both trash

O ngwana

@@sandilesibanyoni2244 Was.

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@Jim Brave In the 70's they were also already playing small using 6'9 bigs like Cowens, Reed, McAdoo, Hayes

Agree. If you are all 6'9", then the 6'2" and 6'5" guards would have an easy job to break defenses as bigger players have harder time to cover shifty and skilled guards like Ja, Curry and Dame.

I wouldn’t say Marion or Bosh were primary ball handlers though. And both were amazing defenders but idk if they were better than draymond guarding the 1-5. He was one of the best interior and perimeter defenders in the league. I also don’t think Marion was “way” better than draymond. Both played much different roles but I’d say draymond played his role better personally. Other than curry he was the most valuable player to that warrriors team. We saw it this year even when he went down to injury the warriors sucked.

He didn’t have no handle like kd Nigga stop cappin

@@jacktowntrey7414 so? You think klay Thompson has a handle like Kd? He play like a shooting guard too, if you had to box dirks game to be a center or a guard he’s closer to a guard

He did not play like a SG. Dirk was very much a stretch PF. What are you talking about?

@Jim Brave lol he wasn’t an all round player cause he couldn’t play defence b. But I get you

@@nicford1486 Ppl nowadays thinks that because you score and shoot you're a SG,k when basically there's plenty of SF or PF who could do that in history

No, he’s talking about players like Ryan Anderson

He is a SF

Stretch 4’s are spot up guys that almost do nothing else great but shooting

@@reedferguson573 hes a sf but can be a stretch 4. most teams put their sf at 4

KD is a dominate center. He played center yesterday against the Knicks and the Knicks collapsed.

Draymond

My opinion is that you shouldn't be on the Inside the NBA crew if you have played with less than 10 current players.

@@reggiethecommenter9137 not sure i understand

I definitely wanna see RJ with them. Gotta have one decent guy who will constantly roast them

What about the TNT Crew of the future?