I'm so glad you talked about the down-the-center no-panning background vocals. To me, that's one of THE defining sounds of 80s rock shout-choruses. It makes it feel like the whole band is shouting along with the chorus, which was a huge part of that 80s hair metal party vibe everyone seemed to go for.
Yes! I remember the RU-vidr I mentioned in the video, Bobby Huff, talking about how a lot of ELO backups were mono which is what first got me thinking about that. For a long time I just panned things out wide without even thinking about it since it seems counterintuitive to have what's supposed to be a huge vocal moment just panned mono! haha So glad to have made that observation though!
One huge thing you forgot on this tune, that has been talked about in many interviews, is the pre-chorus guitar. There were not strummed, they played each note separately, so that it would sound like a keyboard. Mutt said he wanted that sound, so that you wouldn't hear the strumming of the strings. It's pretty noticeable when you compare yours to theirs. Other than that, very spot on! Great vid.
This is the first time I've had enough time to watch these two videos all the way through. It's an amazing amount of work and talent that you put into this and it shows. Just being able to recreate those tones and beats is a major feat in itself, but you've done an excellent job.
One of the things that always stood out to me about the cymbals on the Hysteria album is that they have some sort of modulation effect on them. I think it's some sort of light flange or a light and watery chorus effect. Not sure, because I've never tried to recreate what they're doing.
Brilliant job! Just to let you know, they played this with thin metal picks. On the backing vocals, you forgot about the whisper technique, but they sound really good anyway. Finally, there was another Rockman knockoff that Nigel Green (engineer) said they used on this tune, possibly on the clean sound, called a JHS Rockbox, sold in America as The Ross Rockbox. Over all you did a fantastic job brother! Aarrgghh - Pirate Phil.
Absolutely outstanding! This is going to be a reference video for me. Brilliant, well done! I subscribe to Bobby Huff’s channel - I hope he sees your video!
Oh God. Now I am listening to the whole album. What have you done? Seriously. I was between school and mandatory army service (in Germany), and doing a shitty supermarket job to make some money. The album just came out. I was a die hard Pyromania fan. And then... Hysteria. Every lunch break I grabbed something to eat, walked to a nearby park, had the album on my walk man and blasted through it. Every single day. No idea how often I listenend to that album each week. But it was a lot. Some memories... are just the best.
Loved this video so i just subscribed and hit that 🔔! The music I'm recording is all pretty much 80s style. Some of it i actually wrote in the 80s. 😏 Looking forward to checking out more of your stuff. Maybe I'll look into having you mix something for us.
Wow, I never knew they were from England. I recently "discovered" 80s Rock during the COVID lock down. Def Leppard's songs really stood out from the other 80s Rock songs.
@@imnotasimp7440 Mutt wanted to make that Rock/Pop crossover and he managed it perfectly. Regarding Sheffield there were a few bands that made quite an imprint on the 80’s scene that all grew up within about 3 miles of each other. The Human League, ABC, Heaven 17 and of course Leppard all managed to sell a good few records between them. All started out playing the same little club.
There is some real Joe Elliott undertones to that vocal. Sir, please consider me impressed. Likewise, the instrumentation is pretty much spot on with the attention to detail in the timed echoes and the plate reversed it. Isn't somehow supermerky, which was also equally impressive on the original hysteria album?Yeah, this is all cool stuff.Dude well done
This video is headed for the stratosphere. Impressive and amazing job. (Side note...from someone who was around when this album came out...me and my friends hated it because it sounded like all the "rock" was taken out. But I've evolved since then.)
You sir just blew my mind! Your ears are a phenomenal gift many people would love to possess,and you really know how to utilize them…. You are talented and a rarity…. Thank for this experience.
I'm a sucker for those massive arena rock drum sounds, and you nailed it here. loved the video. It would be cool to see you recreate Is This Love by Whitesnake.
You knocked it out of the park with this one! Your video couldn’t have come at a better time. I was looking for many of the techniques you talk about here for my own production. Thank you. You are very talented and I am very appreciative of that. New Subsciber!
F**k me. This is impressive. I am producing semi-pro my own music for +20 years (guitar player for 40 years). So I was curious, but the quality of your recordings is stunning. Thumbs up, big time!
That was simply amazing. You did a fantastic job reproducing this classic and explaining your process. The fun you had making this really comes across. Thank you for your hard work. Cheers.
Hey Cade, I just watched this and I think you did an amazing job recreating this track! All the details really add up beautifully, and I got a bunch of cool new ideas to try - - low tom sample with snare - mono stacked BV’s to create solidity and a more chorused/phasey sound - the Dolby trick (had heard of this before, but nice to be reminded) - that solid state Gallien Krueger tone, so close to that Rockman tone - that extra track of guitar, heavily EQd to add certain frequencies and harmonics your were missing - triple tracked vocals for more cohesion Really great. Feel free to do more breakdowns like this! Your covers sound great too, I will have to listen to more of these.
What a treat! Just fantastic work, and a lot of it, one can only imagine! I remember the word that Mutt was maniacal, and it was brutal work for these kids. I had a Rockman:-) I may even feel the slightest desire to fire up the mics again. Thank you very much for posting this. Really great job. Like and Sub ya bro!
Thanks, learnt a lot. That Mutt Lange layering of vocals and guitar and the excitement and dynamic sound that brings to what is really a simple song. I’ve played with that before but never quite had it work for me so this gives me some good ideas there. You’re not quite Joe Elliot though but good work!
I really dug this a lot! I learned a ton even though I may not necessarily be looking to record that type of music. And if it's good enough for Mutt, I am in! Thanks for this. I just subscribed. Can you do more production videos like this? Different genres would be cool.
Good job! The only thing I would say, being ultra critical, is I think the snare "tom" sample should have a pitch envelope similar to the kick you did.
This is my first time coming across your channel. This is such a great tutorial with lots of nuggets of great info. Better than most recording tutorials on here......that would be a good niche for you. Well done! And by the way.....don't drag on your vocals, they sound great. SUBSCRIBED.
To get the clean sound in the verse, do what The Edge does, use a Herdim pick upside down (the bumpy part) and your 90% there. It will probably even give you those other artifacts you recreated when it echoes. It really sounds like they are using something rough for a pick.
Yeah, I worked with a guy who worked with Mutt (I think it was on a Shania Twain record), and he said they spent 45 minutes one day auditioning picks to get the sound he wanted on three notes of one of the umpteen guitar tracks.
Fun stuff dude! Interesting to me how different type A is to the real thing. The slate audio fg36 is about as close as this plugin. I got two 361a’s chilling in my rack at home and I absolutely adore them. 😂 they are the sound.
@@CadeRoberts I also snagged a roland dimension D, and I’ve been fooling around with both the original rockman and the x100. My buddy owns those, but I’m just borrowing them. It’s instant hysteria as soon as you plug in lol
I think you're right on with pumping the mids on the X100 sound. The Boston/Sholz sound was very mid heavy. Curious what the details are of the Rockman's chorus and delay. Seems to me it should be possible to do it in-the-box.
Great Work on this song, I am a huge Def Leppard fan and, you've hit the nail on the head for the different textures and the different sounds, Love it!! Just one question, how did you get those drum samples?
Thanks so much! Some of the samples came out of Superior Drummer 3, others are just part of my collection of drum samples from over the years buying different packs, making my own, etc.
Thanks man! For this, it was the Stam Audio U87 into a Great River ME-1NV preamp. No tracking compression. I've messed that up too many times so it's not common for me. lol Everything else was in the box. The UAD SSL 4k channel strip, CLA76, not much else I don't think besides the FX I showed in the video
Amazing Job , Cade. Been a fan of DL and Mutt Lange since the 80s and always wanted to know more about the production process. I'm going to record and mix the new album of my band soon and I gotta admit, I've learned a lot today that I will use for sure. Thanks man, subbed. One question though, did you use plugins for the guitars, amps or preamp pedals ?
The clean guitars were the Gallen Kruger amp recorded direct out plus a clean DI blended in. And the distorted electrics were a Marshall Silver Jubilee mic'd up. So, no amp sims or plugins besides basic EQ or compression possibly
BadAss man! Curious what program on your H3k for doubler & detune? I like #519 a lot on guitar & would love to know which one you lean on here? Thx! Great content!!
519 is my favorite as well and definitely what I would have used on the vocals here! I think I used a chorus preset on the guitars. Sometimes I'll just cycle through until I land on something that's cool for the track! But 519 is for sure a goto that almost always works
Wow... look at all those tracks! Not sure whether to be amazed or not. But I guess it means you can never really do these sounds live with a 5 person band, LOL!
