@PRORAGEGUY Sure, but among other reasons the Americans & our differing musket design bested the British & theirs during our revolutionary war. Disregarding design, we beat them military to military & with less men. I'd say we were the nation best able to utilize muskets. Some pride in that's fair I think. (Britain's power at the time & the fact that many of the war's battles heavily relied on small arms & infantry are why I have this opinion.) TLDR: The musket is prominent in our nation's history & we utilized it well against the British.
For the Pickaxe comparison, you confused use time with tool speed Tool Speed is the stat that determines how fast a tool mines Use Time determines how fast it swings to attack So the point should had gone to Crimson there
@@Qqmenisa It always gives me dissonance that he did all the bosses no hit and beat t he game on master mode hardcore, given he seems to have no idea how the game even functions half the time.
Yes, the deathbringer pickaxe is one of the few things that is legitimately, VERY noticeably better in crimson. Going from the nightmare pick's 65 power to the deathbringer's 70 power actually crosses a very important benchmark. Hellstone and the evil stones have 200hp, meaning that it takes 4 hits from a nightmare pick, but only 3 hits from a deathbringer pick to break them. So if you don't personally care about getting a molten pickaxe quickly, that's a noticeable change.
I kind of feel like Cursed flasks shouldn't beat Ichor flasks only because there's a lot of points that are given for "in general" usage. And usually, when you see players buffing up, it's not to fight a bunch of enemies, but it's to fight bosses, which are one on one. Due to this, and the fact that Ichor becomes more effective the more "strikes" per second you're able to inflict, I don't think that the ichor flask was given a fair shake, as it's still effective even in the end game, but you don't often see Cursed flames being used past mech bosses.
hm, that's fair. That is how people would usually use flasks even though I am an advocate that flasks should be more heavily used for events...and then fail to remember flasks are a thing 90% of the time
Says you, I keep my flask buffs up 24/7. I'm not passing up a buff that lasts through death and makes melee even better. And lemme tell ya Ichor does not help all that much when used like that.
@@thedarter I think it depends on what you're using to attack, you can engineer a situation where Cursed Flame is a better debuff, but in general, if you're hitting at least 4 times a second(which in endgame you will likely be) Ichor outdamages. I'm not saying that Cursed flames is bad at all, in fact, if you're not hitting enemies enough, cursed flames are definitely better, but you still don't see them used in general that often past a certain point(usually mech bosses). Not saying they shouldn't be used past a certain point either, it's just that the damage cursed flames does over time is usually much lower than the direct dps increase that ichor provides, which is why ichor tends to be used more often by players.
@@TsuikeNovaus i mostly use Cursed flasks so I can attack enemies once or twice then have them die. Sure, if I'm hitting them 4 times a second ichor would do more, but I'm often not even hitting an enemy 4 times total.
I feel like worm tooth just adds inconvenience when seeking unholy arrows because it comes from a less common enemy, while crimson allows them to be crafted by the plentiful vertebrae. But maybe I'm biased 😂
Something you ignored (or forgot) about ichor is that it's 15 armor penetration can be stacked, items like: Sharktooth (+5), Stinger necklace (+5 & the Honey Buff), and using the Sharpening Station (+12) add to the armor penetration that your character can do to enemies. Not to mention that the proyectiles of Blade Staff, Cool Whip, Dark Harvest, Crystal Vile Shard, Nettle Burst, Wasp Gun, all the flamethrowers and the stars of the Star Cloak also deal armor penetration. Ichor grants more DPS when your weapon (or proyectile from the weapon) hits more than 3 times per second (which is most of the Hardmode weapons). So you could have a ton of DPS by stacking armor penetration for fast-hitting weapons on top of other Hardmode debuffs like Hellfire, Frostbite, Shadowflame, and Venom Acid.
@@sunsfury6488 Yeah but what I mean is that you can easily increase your DPS with Ichor way more than with Cursed flames. Even if the Cursed flames deals like 20 DPS average, the sheer amount of stuff that you can stack with ichor is insane.
But defense in terraria is pretty straight forward, for example, You have 15 defense penetration, you deal 15 more damage to enemies per hit.@@SpiderJAAM
@@Kliniji Ah... Not exactly, the way it works is with a weird equation depending on YOUR amount of armor penetration, and the defense of the enemy. If the player's total armor penetration is greater than the enemy's defense, the damage is increased by half of the enemy's defense, in this case, the entirety of the enemy's defense is effectively ignored. But if the player's total armor penetration is lower than or equal to the enemy's defense, the damage is increased by half of the armor penetration value. This means that any amount between nearly none and all of the enemy's defense is effectively ignored, depending on the specific values.
Honestly missed out at the end to compare the debuffs against boss immunities. There are more bosses immune to cursed flames than there are immune to ichor, so Crimson should’ve gotten one last point.
True. Bonus points if you make sure to kill WoF during a "crimson day" so that you can get both Ichor and Cursed Flames, since World Feeders can spawn in the surface corruption.
The aggro stuff with the trinkets only work in multiplayer from what i know if you use flesh knuckles in multiplayer enemies are more likely to target you than other players
@@Throarbin im pretty sure they work in single-playerthe aggro mechanic in sp makes it so that mobs see you or aggro toward you from a greater or a lesser distance or game pixels and having an aggro of -120 or lower practically makes you invisible
From what I know aggro is just how far away the enemy will target you over your teammates. Less aggro and you need to be closer and more aggro is from farther away. If you are the only player it has no affect at all as the only target to pick is you. I may be wrong on this, but this is how I understand it.
As someone who has spent thousands of hours building I just want to comment on the (notable) blocks for each biome: - Corrupt & Crimson Grass Crimson grass has an entirely unique look to it, giving usage in builds more than the corrupt grass which is just a recolour of regular grass. - Ebonwood & Shadewood Both are good & have pieces they synergise with when painted, but overall I feel Shadewood has more synergy & usage - Ebonstone & Crimstone Both of these are just alright honestly, pretty equal even so I have no strong winner. - Ebonstone Brick & Crimstone Brick Ebonstone Brick is just a darker & recoloured Sandstone Brick whilst Crimstone Brick is something entirely different & is a really good piece in all sorts of builds so it wins over Ebonstone Brick. - Demonite Ore + Brick & Crimtane Ore + Brick Both of these are just alright so I don't have a strong winner - Lesion & Flesh Blocks Lesion I've worked with much more extensively because it's overall such a nicer block, flesh can be a bit harder to work with outside of purely crimson builds. - Ebonsand set & Crimsand set Both are pretty good but imo Crimsand is better due to how they paint nicer & the biome tint is more universal than corruption's. Both are good. - Ices These are whatever - Crates imo, corruption's has more usage Overall I think crimson generally has the better building materials but each biome has it's perks in that regard. Wall of text but I just wanted to leave a comment about the building side of things.
Crimson because I love playing true melee and the drops from crimson mimics are just more important for defense so sorry corruption you were my favorite but now I convert to crimson
@@Throarbin It is indeed my best friend and since I am mostly tank and play multiplayer is much better to kill bosses since damage doesn’t increase with multiplayer so the bosses becomes more a joke, and golem and plantera are a easy with the right defense setup
@@Guilherme-g3q That's true for single player too, there's a strong argument to be made that the optimal build for single player characters always has flesh knuckles, regardless of class.
It's close but I think I prefer crimson weapons slightly than exploration because the downfall of it is that exploration of corruption biome is harder because the entrance is vertical while the crimson sometimes have diagonals path
@@Throarbin For me Ichor is a huge upside, I consider the golden shower to be better because ignoring 15 defense is often better for damage than the fireballs and cursed flames debuff, especially since the GS lasts for 10 seconds so you can swap to your main most of the time. The fetid bakhnakhs can also be fun to use. Life drain still sucks though 💀
@@legithuman5486life drain is probably the best worm kill weapon you can get at that time that doesn’t need holy arrows to be decent. The actual “life drain” factor is useless, but for groups and especially if you are blood moon fishing for the blood eel, it tears. Edit: it’s also one of the only weapons that doesn’t use itself if there aren’t any enemies (won’t use mana or attack if there is nothing, other weapons can still shoot or swing) useful fact? No. Cool? Sorta
Crimson's better because you don't have to worry about the eater of souls that will chase you all the way across the entire map of Terraria. That has happened to me multiple times every time, you can literally be like 20 blocks away from the corruption and then it chases you forever and just does not stop
You know what I like about corruption? Breaking shadow orbs and then flying away through those tunnels canyons things with gravitation potions to fight EoW on surface…
I like the worm scarf. It's genuinely underrated. 17 DR and brain is "better"? The brain requires you to get hit, while the scarf is a passive buff that increases the same level of defense no matter how far through the game. I killed Moon Lord with it equipped on my first Expert Mode run, and I haven't played Classic since.
@@scottappleton842 good point, but my opinion is: worm scarf is better for classes with better armor (melee and ranged) cuz it "stacks" with the armor and brain of confusion is better for classes with worse armor (mage and summoner) cuz any hit will most likely 2-3 shot you and avoiding it entirely is mostly better
It depends a lot on how often you're getting hit. If you're hit infrequently enough for the dodge to get out of cooldown, the odds of dodging are almost equal to the damage reduction, while also giving you a significant dps buff whenever it's triggered. If you're getting hit while the dodge is on cooldown, though, then yeah the worm scarf is just better. The real reason the crimson is better, though, is the flesh knuckles. It's an amazing equip for every class, and you don't get anything to balance it out on the corruption. It also drops from a mimic, meaning, unlike with the worm scarf and the brain of confusion, you actually just can't get it on a world with the other biome.
EVERY SINGLE ICHOR ITEM is LEAGUES better than the cursed counterparts. While cursed darts are good against the destroyer, ichor darts also pierce and have really good single target damage with fast velocity, making it especially good for a pre-mech duke fishron kill. Cursed arrows do have higher base damage, but in every other aspect, INCLUDING multiple targets, they are much better. Ichor flasks are the only reason the blade staff is even viable, and the cursed flask is just some pitiful 10 dps tacked on to your 400-600 dps around pre mech and 1000-2000 dps for pre-moonlord.
It's 24 dps, not 10. It's 10 damage per tick of the debuff, but it ticks 2.4 times each second. Ichor still should be generally better, though (The only example I can think of where you get more dps with cursed is the sniper rifle)
Clinger staff being better than life drain is a wild take ngl Also some misconceptions about the effectiveness of some of the hardmode stuff The cursed flame and ichor buffs vairy significantly as they can be better or worse depending on the weapon, with weapons that have faster attack speed being much greater, as for example a weapon having an attack rate of 2 per second would be able to gain an addition 30 damage from the flat 15 defense reduction compared to the 10 dps gained from cursed flame. This is reflected in the arrow debate, where for example the tsunami or the Daedalus storm bow has a slightly higher dps with ichor than with cursed flame, due to the more frequent attacks (even with the 2 higher base dps of the arrows). This is again in the Flask debate with something like the terror blade or Fetid Baghnakhs being able to utilize ichor much better than whips. For the cursed darts, the only times it was actually better than ichor darts was during the destroyer fight due to the piercing, for example on the Twins, the cursed darts ranged from around 450-550 dps with the dart rifle, compared to around 520-610 dps from the ichor darts as the spread shot increased the dps significantly, even when some darts missed. Not hate and all, was just a bit confused when I saw the results as they were much different from when i've experience
The cursed flame actually increases your dps by 24, not 10, and ichor increases your damage per hit by 7.5, not fifteen (the damage you deal to enemies is reduced by half their armor, not by their total armor. I don't know why it was designed like this, don't ask me). That said, the majority of builds will be hitting more than four times each second, meaning the ichor generally still wins out on dps... Provided you're actually consistently hitting the target. That said, if you have a really slow weapon, like the sniper rifle (which hits a bit less often than twice each second) then shadowflame is better.
I disagree with vilethorn vs. crimson rod. The thing with the vilethorn is that it is outclassed by pretty much every other magic weapon that you can get at this point of progression, and while crimson rod is weaker than vilethorn, it has a use as a support weapon that you place down for extra damage like a sentry.
It's just not that reliable in the long run either, after the brain it's barely worth to use it bc it despawns so fast and most bosses just move too fast for it to actually take it's effect of support to it's fullest potential
I personally feel like crimson has MUCH more personality than corruption. Corruption just feels like a “generic evil world” while the crimsons sheer existence feels like a sin that needs to be purified.
I disagree. The Crimson to me just feels like default biome but red, whereas the the deep chasms and disgustingly amazing enemies of the Corruption are so unique and cool.
@@SilverSwordCreative the corruption enemies are literally all the same though. Generic AI and repetitive design makes me not want to be in the corruption purely because of how boring it is to both be in and navigate.
I'd even say this extends to the bosses as well as the Eater of Worlds just seems like a generic boss, but the Brain of Cthulhu is tied more into other bosses in the game lore wise, what with the Eye of Cthulhu, Skeletron, the Mech Bosses (each piece being a recreation of Moonlord parts, its brain, spine, and eyes), and the final boss Moonlord itself.
4:59 it is actually an absurd damage boost for most pre hardmode bosses, dealing 10-20% extra damage if you use this right. It is essential for legendary mode if you can't dodge some bosses (like me) Edit: also the whole cursed flames vs ichor part made me cry inside
@@Throarbin Clickbait title then?? You make it seem like this video is supposed to confirm which biome is objectively better with a title like that. "Preference" shouldn't be in this video at all.
@@Inmortuae2233 yeah. Also the points system is very flawed, since it makes the reward for having tiny positives, the same as the reward for having huge positives. For example, the Corruption is always easier to navigate, and survive in, however the crimson has a single fish thats slightly more useful to certain rare people, and those things are treated equally, somehow. The video seems like it most likely exists to spark even further debate for easy engagement.
@@Inmortuae2233 If your objective is min-maxing, then the only things worth comparing are the exclusive items (mimic drops and biome chests), and then the winner is obviously the crimson, because the optimal build for every character, regardless of class, is a defense-stacking build, and the flesh knuckles (and its upgrades) are a huge part of defense-stacking.
how come you gave the point to the clinger staff and not the crimson cloud considering they are both sentry type weapons that deal extra damage with little downsides?
I was frankly baffled by the clinger staff in general. The only uses I could seriously imagine are building an afk farm and OOA. Neither of which are at all necessary for any casual playthrough
@@endthelag4490 I think OP means that the crimson cloud and clinger staff are both support weapons and they don't understand why Throarbin neglected the crimson cloud for being support but chose the clinger staff over the life drain specifically because the clinger staff is a support weapon.
Alright I'm not sure I agree with the judgment myself but I understand the logic. Early on, you don't have a lot of unique mage weapons at your disposal, so the vilethorn comfortably fills a niche that hasn't been filled yet. The passive damage of the rod is less important than having a decent main weapon that early on. Conversely, by the time you get to the clinger staff, you have a lot of options available. So by that point, having the bonus damage DOES matter more. Short version: mage players do better with the vilethorn, and everyone does better with the clinger staff.
With pickaxes, Pickaxe Power matters more than mining speed, because the more pickaxe power means that it will take less hits to break the blocks; this is specially noticeable when you compare the Gold Pickaxe with the Bone Pickaxe, the Bone Pickaxe will hit more times before breaking the blocks but Gold pickaxe will break blocks in less hits (and generally less time than the Bone Pickaxe against harder blocks).
21:12 iirc enemy aggro refers to the chance you will be chosen out of all players in range. Literally useless in single player, because if you're the only option, it can't be less than 100%. If you have 5 players though, the default is 20%, and if you have less aggro it can go down even more
@@igl0bruh693 Just play mage instead, better range and healing is distributed to everyone (vampire knives just don't have the DPS to be a primary weapon)
Corrections: 1: Rage potion is still useless for Summoners because the critical hit bonuses offered by the Kaleidoscope and the Morning Star (the only whips that do so, the Dark Harvest does something else) don't follow the typical rules; their crit chances are static and cannot be increased any means whatsoever. 2: The fish obtained in the evil biome can be fished up at ANY point, not just hardmode. 3: Putrid Scent is absolutely vital in multiplayer; it's a ranged player's (and sometimes magic player's) best friend. Being able to manipulate aggro in general has importance that can't be understated; and that's not even getting into the net +10% damage increase that you get as a bonus. 4: Cursed Flames Vs Ichor debuffs section doesn't go into the nuance on how these debuffs can help you out with your damage output overall. When used with low damage, high hit rate weapons like summoner builds and the Uzi, the difference in damage output is much much greater than a flat 24 damage (not 10). There's also the fact that the flat damage quickly becomes irrelevant in multiplayer, where boss and boss minion health scaling renders the extra damage from the debuff useless since the debuffs don't scale up with the bosses, unlike the defence reduction from Ichor which scales up with the damage inflicted by ALL players. Once you have 3 players dealing damage, there's no way for cursed inferno to catch up whatsoever.
But the same applies to the flesh knuckles: it's a vital item for the tank, both because of the increased aggro and because of the large defense boost. I don't think multiplayer swings it in favour of corruption. Also, minor nitpick: ichor effectiveness doesn't increase with the damage, it increases with hit frequency. In general, if you're hitting more than thrice a second, Ichor is doing more than the flame (which does 24 dps, not 10). Yes, it's insanely better on multiplayer, and usually better on single player too, even if it depends on build for the latter.
@@henriquepacheco7473 Kinda? Not really? Flesh knuckles accessories are harder to fit and justify an accessory slot to than putrid scent builds. Aggro control and how easy it is to fit on a class is a little unbalanced by nature. The arcane flower, stalker's quiver and ESPECALLY the recon scope don't face much of an opportunity cost, while summoners have to dedicate accessory slots (which are VERY precious to summoners) for the zerker glove, while Melee would rather forego aggro control entirely, especially given the fact that their later armour already gives aggro boosts. More often than not it's a better idea to just let the magic and ranged players use aggro reduction and have the melee players just naturally use the aggro system to their advantage with their playstyle, while Summoner has the option for the zerker glove if they really want their whips and DEF to be much better. The long and short of it is, Melee doesn't really care if enemies don't target them, while ranged and magic players absolutely do care. Now, if they could fix the Duke Fishron boss fight to actually use the aggro system like everything else in the game does, that would be nice... My bad with the 10 DPS thing; the video had me thinking incorrectly there :/ Cursed inferno certainly has its place (even in multiplayer), especially in Frost Armour builds for use in events and general worldly exploration at least.
The weighting for the points in each section is debatable, but overall a well done analysis. I prefer Crimson, due to valuing the smoother exploration process and have found the brain of confusion more useful long term over multiple play throughs. Randomizing the world evil is honestly the way to go, since its nice to mix things up. Other than that, I do tend to enjoy the higher difficulty of the Crimson enemies.
Yeah, the weight of points is a little wonky as having cursed flares isn't as important as something like boss drops. But trying to weigh every thing point wise felt like it'd make things too convoluted
8:08 well.... Demonite is actually slightly more common than crimtane, but not in the way you might think. Demonite ore concentration is increased in corruption chasms, making it easier to find, whereas crimtane ore isn't. Not a big difference, but I think it makes demonite better if you want a pre-eoc sword/bow/magiluminesecese
On the other hand, almost all non-armor crimtane items are better than their demonite equivalents, with the most extreme case being the pickaxe (not only it has a faster tool speed, meaning it mines faster, but the 5% pickaxe power difference also means it breaks hellstone in 3 hits rather than 4).
One thing to account for with the ichor versus cursed flame flask is that for summoners, armor penetration and reduction really helps the dps of your mass of minions so the dps is more based on how many minion slots you have at any point
Ichor scales with your hit per second. It increases your dps by 7.5 x hits per second, while cursed flame increases your dps by a flat 24. This means that, if you're hitting 4 or more times a second, the single target dps of ichor is stronger than cursed flame. Most (but not all) hardmode builds will benefit significantly more from ichor, with Summoner being the most extreme example.
TL;DR: Crimson is harder with almost always better loot, (golden shower, brain, flesh knuckles, and imo life drain should’ve won bc it tears apart destroyer, wyverns, blood eels etc like nothing else does) while corruption is less difficult with more passive items (worm scarf, clinger staff, putrid scent) and crimson is generally less forgiving when it comes to enemies. (Floaty gross, derplings, ichor sticker, variety of enemies prehm and early hm) but in the end, corruption has more enjoyable things and are used more (chain guillotines despite being just a bad shadowflame knife, dart rifle and musket for ever so slightly higher dps when using low damage bullets)
The brain and the scarf are honestly pretty even (the scarf is more consistent and generally better for boss fights, especially if you aren't great at dodging).
@@axolotlgaming9144 Brother literally nobody is gonna try to say a 10 dps weapon is better than a 60 dps weapon assuming its just the same thing but different damage and speed. That's literally just a downgrade. Also for a 1 damage weapon defense and damage reduction wouldn't matter, again just making it a literal upgrade. Assuming you cant use accessories, armor or reforges (even though they'd just widen the gap).
A 40 damage weapon that hit three times each second and a 20 damage weapon that hits 7 times a second is a much more realistic comparison, and the answer is: depends on your build and the target.
Just got off the Wiki, Ancient shadow armor. It is more realistically obtained preboss on corruption worlds while on crimson worlds. If you really want to grind for it (on crimson worlds), you would have to find a corrupt statue, and then you would have to farm a statue using natural wiring. There is also probably an easy way to use one way hoiks to farm natural eaters, just make them funnel into a small box with a thin slice of lava. I've done something similar for preboss demon farming
8:00 I'd like to contest the fact that neither ore is more common - In my 3k hours of experience I've found that demonite commonly generates in corruption chasms whereas crimtane only generates randomly in normal rock, making it less common and harder to collect
3:42 I disagree, and for one reason: while the flinging of the ball doesn’t do much for flying enemies, you know what does? Holding the button so the flail keeps going in a circle around you, which is great for flying enemies when they’re flying at you, like in the corruption biome! I will always defend flails and maces in this game, I feel they don’t get the love they deserve for being the “get the heck off me” kinda weapon. Plus, you can run while holding the button, so you become a death wheel.
imo they balance out, but the only points that really matter are navigation at the start of pre-hm and the ichor/cursed arrows. I am a crimson only player for the most part, i find the corruption world gen and enemies to be significantly more tedious. A point missed about cursed inferno is that it doesnt stack with other DoT effects. Ichor on the other hand works independently. So essentially you can combine ichor with a different DoT to make it more practical than Cursed Inferno.
8:30 they have the same tool speed. There's no difference in how fast they cut trees. It's just in the use as weapons that they differ. Should probably have been a tie IMO. 8:51 Same issue, but this time at least the tool speed also is different, so this shouldn't change anything. 9:22 Oof, this time it made a huge difference. The crimtane pickaxe has a slower use speed, yes, but a faster tool speed. Not only that, but the 5% extra pickaxe power also means it breaks hellstone in one less hit, so even if it was slower it would still have an edge. It's objectively superior as a pickaxe. This should have gone to the crimson. 17:18 I agree with this one completely, just would like to add that, paired with heart statues, heartreach potions can be great for making hard bossfights easier. It's pretty useful for higher difficulties like master mode. 17:47 I somewhat disagree here, mostly because the Bladetongue is actually among the best pre-mech boss melee weapons. Yeah, it's a bit underwhelming, but its competition also is pretty underwhelming (no joke the night's edge almost keeps pace with its utility and its strength specifically versus the destroyer, that's how starved for good options melee is). I agree that the toxic karp is stronger in a vacuum, but I hardly ever feel like it's worth fishing for. 20:29 The fetid baghnakhs have actually insane DPS, but this does pretty much require you to have a facetanking build to work. I don't disagree with the decision, chain guillotine is much easier to use, and also helps to make up for not having a weapon from fishing, while the baghnakhs are very niche. 20:53 Really, this is why the crimson just is better in general. Defense is just about the most powerful stat in Terraria, and the more defense you have, the more value you gain from extra defense. There's a strong argument to be made that the flesh knuckles (or its upgrades) should be equipped on every character, no matter the class. And yes, aggro only matters on multiplayer (and even there, having flesh knuckles on the tank is so important that playing on a corruption world is basically throwing). On ichor vs cursed flame: the effects are a bit hard to compare objectively. This is because the effectiveness of ichor depends a lot on a bunch of different factors. For one, it depends on the enemy defense. If an enemy has no defense, it's useless. On the other hand, the higher the enemy defense, the more value ichor gets. It also varies a lot depending on weapon. Fast, low damage weapons get on the average way more from lowered defense compared to slow, high damage ones. All else removed, Ichor means increasing your dps by half the reduced armor x the amount of hits per second. Because bosses have a lot of hp and defense, and because a lot of weapons are going to hit several times each second, Ichor generally does more for your dps in bossfights, provided you're actually hitting the boss, but this can be different for some weapons (the sniper rifle comes to mind, hits so strong and slow that the ichor will be a very minor increase to dps). I like the ichor better, but I haven't really tested or calculated which is actually better.
So many flawed testing methods, false informations and just plain out stupid and unnecessary arguments in this video. If it was a subjective video I wouldn’t care but calling it „definitive“ is embarrassing. Shame on you
I think which evil biome you choose depends on what class you are planning on going for. I choose crimson for melee 100% of the time. But I really haven’t played all the classes in depth…😅
8:33 Funny story, in my first playthrough, my main weapon was actually the War Axe of the Night for a while before I got a clue and started using actual weapons instead.
You take that back. Spider brain is the closest we've got to a Doom reference in Terraria, even if it's practically a one-eyed Arachnotron or Spider Mastermind.
I'd say that the ichor flask is better since you're not only using it in one stage of game(mech bosses) but all of hardmode stages the moment you obtain it plus ichor is generally better since it can be used to enhance the dps of any weapon that attacks fast which is most of hardmode and so on weapons than cursed flames and another thing most players use debuffs and buffs when they fight bosses and events not for general use, like who would waste a precious flask or any buff potions just for a few or dozen enemies that you happen to counter while traveling around that you couldve killed easily without those buffs and another thing about the cursed flames it basically gets power creeped by any overtime dmg debuffs after it for example venom it is an objectively better cursed flames since you can buy the ingredients for it easily and deals much more dps per second than cursed flames and wanna know something that gives the venom debuff, the spider staff summons which you can get the moment you get to hardmode and it has the benefit of not using any flasks, ammo and not having to constantly use it(and you can use it to immediately give venom when you summon the spiders on the enemy) and it's a summoner weapon meaning you have extra dps from not only the venom debuff also from the summons, i rest my case
I want to add something extra to the Toxicarp Gun If you also have the Forstburn Armor crafted with Ice Golem Cores, the bubbles also get the Frostburn debuff and works even better! It always help me to beat the mechs
The eater of souls have a small chance to drop pieces of the ancient armor set, giving you the option to largely skip armor progression and save plenty of resources. This is the main reason why I normally pick corruption.
@@SilverSwordCreative The hallow makes a point of being extremely bright. The boss of the region uses rainbows, and is buffed dramatically during the day. Also, unicorns, fairies and the like are typically portrayed as good. If you compare the two evils, one is dark and shadowy, using the most traditional colors to represent the concept of evil, (the same colors as Maleficent from disney’s sleeping beauty, for example), and the other one is an amorphous blob of flesh and teeth. The crimson is still very evil seeming, but isn’t as traditional in doing so, which doesn’t mirror the hallow.
@@SilverSwordCreative I know you didnt ask me but i want to chime in anyway. Nothing about crimson is inherently evil but corruption is literally THE evil biome, from the color scheme, the debuff is *cursed* flame, the armor is *shadow* armor, the ore is *demon*ite ore, and the biomes name is literally *corruption*. Even the terrain is more evil with giant chasms where early game you have to bridge over or work your way down as to not die of fall damage, while the crimson just gives you staircases to the underground. Crimson is definitely more scary and gross but nothing about it is thematically evil unlike everything about corruption. To put it simply, the theme of crimson is blood and gore, while the theme of corruption is literally evil.
@@fuy1648 isnt the corruption just the crimson but decayed? (i know it came out first i just wanted to point that out),the crimson wants to conquer and assimilate,while the corruption just wants the world to be a lifeless void
he is right about the cursed flames vs the ichor flask thing lets say you have a sword that deals 100 dps and the enemy has 20 defence since enemy defence reduces incoming damage by half its value the sword imbued with cursed flames still does 100 dps as (100 - 20/2) + 10 = 100 the ichor debuff reduces defence by 15 so the weapon imbued with ichor does 98 damage per second as (100 - ((20-15)/2)) is 98 since defence cant be in the decimals i.e 2.5 it rounds down to 2 although this calculation is half hazard and possibly wrong but i feel he stands corrected in this debate BTW THIS IS COMPLETELY WRONG DONT TRUST THIS LOOK IN THE REPLIES FOR A MORE CONSISTENT ANSWER
that calculation assumes that the weapon only hits the enemy once per second, something there's barely any weapons in the game that do and also that the calculations are done in normal mode where defense is 0.5 damage reduction per defense point. If we take the slowest hardmode sword, Breaker Blade, it has a use time of 35 and a damage of 70. this means that it deals 70 damage every 35/60 (.58) seconds The Breaker Blade then with cursed flames against a 20 defense target in normal mode, rounding defense down to even numbers, deals ((70/.58 - (20/2)/.58) + 10) = 113 dps With Ichor flask it instead deals ((70/.58 - (4/2)/.58)) = 117 dps This is the single slowest hitting hardmode sword and it already deals more single target damage. If your weapon swings faster or multi hits, as every other hardmode weapon in the game does, ichor pulls further ahead. It's not even a contest in which debuff is better since ichor wins every scenario. By the point that you can make cursed flame flasks you should already have a weapon capable of clearing up a lot of enemies so that should never matter.
@@scoinc2469 let's calcu late it damage wise for a more consistent answer let's take the paladin, it has 50 defence and Dmg taken = [ dmg - defence of enemy/2 ] The meowmere does 200 base dmg. With cursed flames the paladin takes 185 damage With ichor the paladin has 30 defence so around 15 dmg reduction So the meowmere does 185 dmg Now the meowmere has an internal use speed of 14 ticks or around once every .24 seconds so the damage per second is around 46,250 for cursed flames and 46,250 for ichor so it is the exact same and ichor reduces defence by 20 for enemies no 15 my bad .
Even if your calculations are correct, it would still be a massively faulty argument, not just as pointed out in the first reply, but also cuz it only looks at a single weapon in favor of cursed flames. However what annoyed me MASSIVELY in this video was that he didnt seem to consider a summoner using... well actual summons instead of only a whip.
Both can stronger sides, then the others, so in conclusion: if you play as mage or summoner class - choose corruption, play as melee class - crimson. Range has more uses with corruption too, but I want to say that crimson has some use for range class too. Either way "evil" items plays not that big of a role in playthrough - you have variety of weapons besides evil weapons, so u can just choose what u like more.
I enjoyed the video. One thing to note is your point system weighs everything equally even though it shouldn’t be. I agree with most of your comparisons but some of them were close to tied whereas others you had a clear winner. An example would be giving flesh knuckles .9 and putrid scent .1 and giving hemopiranha .4 and ebonkoi .6. This would give you a much more accurate score. Honestly it would likely make the final score even closer haha
The corruption is my preferred biome visually bc I love the dark aesthetic, but I do like that each has their own pros and cons and that things like the extractinator and corruption seeds give you a chance at the other type’s items without world hopping
9:25 Well, Deathbringer pickaxe can mine hellstone in 2 hits (Which is faster in frames) and Nightmare pickaxe is 3 hits 19:32 Dart rifle is better for single target (As you can see, multiple darts won't do anything)
i think the only way to really tell which one is better is to get a bunch of people who haven't played the game before, meaning they won't have any already established bias, and make them play a world of both evils, then they will answer which one they enjoyed more. although, this still isn't going to give a definite best option for every single person, as some people like specific things more than others. for example, you saw crimson being harder than the corruption is bad, but i think the complete opposite. i usually choose crimson because it is the harder evil. still, even with that being said, there can be a 'best' evil, which would just be the evil that the majority likes, although it is pretty hard to find that.
@@Shyguymask Yeah I saw issues here and there but mistakes are going to happen and even though I'm a solid taken with Ichor over Cursed I can see how Cursed can outperform it......Sometimes...But I'll still take Ichor any day since it's of far more use PLUS this video was based off opinion so from an Opinion side I respect it. I see errors but at the same time numbers can show different things when you look closely and I'd assume Throarbin made sure to really look into the Numbers: Deathbringer has a higher tool % but is slower where the Nightmare is 5% less in tool power but is faster soooooo I can see how with some digging and such it would make sense the Nightmare "Could" Just about strap by but BARELY. Stop taking this so damn seriously all the time, Lighten up
there is a demonite spear you just don't get till you have a shadow key for the hell chests that's why you cant craft it. PS its bad too at that point since you probable have the nights edge or volcano by then.
The Corruption is my favorite if I play Ranger. Toxicarp has infinite ammo, which is rare for any Ranger weapon. Putrid Scent and its upgrades are well worth it. The Destroyer is made from the hardest mech boss (at least for me) the easiest using Cursed Darts. The only thing missing is Ichor debuff, but that is still obtainable even in a Corruption world.
I saw a youtuber make a video that explains it perfectly Corruption is easier while the loot is a little less effective while crimson is harder but more rewarding Also corruption benefits range and mage more while crimson benefits melee and summoners more The devs really took the time to think about it which is cool
I would like to say that I hate diving down a corruption chasm just to find a dead end and painstakingly climbing out for it to happen again in the next chasm.
A few points I want to make on Crimson: - Fetid Baghnakhs can shred through Destroyer's, Plantera's, and Golem's health if you are going with a tank build. - Dart Pistol with Ichor Darts is really good and can be used until the end of the game as a support weapon to apply ichor and then swap to a different weapon. - The Bladetongue's ichor stream can bounce on blocks up to 3 times. In addition, hitting multiple enemies with one strike creates multiple streams. - You forgot the rank the hooks from both Mimics. - The Monster Meat pet drops from more enemies in the Crimson. - Crimson armor pieces sell for more. - I personally find Crimson Altars easier to get to.
4:03 I just imagined that scene from the Lord of the Rings: Fellowship of the Ring in which Elrond signals firing arrows upon Sauron’s forces in the prologue. I was thinking of an American Civil War version of the clip, in which Elrond is human and has a face closer to that of Red Skull (with the fake skin/mask on his face) from the Marvel Cinematic Universe, while his forces wear blue uniforms aiming their muskets.
Crimson was added at the same time as the extra ores (tin, lead, tungsten, platinum) and all those ores were given a small advantage over their original counterparts (copper, iron, silver, gold). Because of that, I'm not surprised most of the crimson gear has a slight advantage over the corruption gear.
27:28 alright, this is what I think -Part-1 (This is me looking at this in a more look at the facts way also when it comes to compering weapons I mostly look at which weapon is a better primary weapon. I made this since there were somethings in this video that stood out to me and to get my thought about this across, I in no way mean this as hate just a thing I done for the fun of it.) 1. Point to Corruption 1:03 - this is fine, just adding this to have all the points down - Corruption:1 Crimson:0 2. Point to Crimson 1:48 - another fine point, not much to say here - Corruption:1 Crimson:1 3. Point to Corruption 2:20 - I don't count this one - I don't think this should count since its just the same point as the first one being Crimson enemies are harder therefore a point to Corruption (this is the part were I change to score to what I think it should have been - Corruption:1 Crimson:1 4. Point to Crimson 2:23 - you can still take a lot of damage from the fall of the centre cave of the crimson but lets say the player uses platforms to get down I would still give the point to crimson since it should only take 2-3 bombs to get an orb rather than the 3-5 it might take for corruption plus you normally only need to deal with enemies from one side in the crimson so I feel that's another reason to give it the point - Corruption:1 Crimson:2 5. Point to Crimson 2:38 - 3 is more than 2 (plus Devourer rarely spawn so it feels more like there's only one enemy) - Corruption:1 Crimson:3 6. Point to Crimson 3:43 - The Rotted Fork > Ball O' Hurt - Corruption:1Crimson:4 7. Point to Corruption 3:51 - Musket > The Undertaker - Corruption:2 Crimson:4 8. Point to Corruption 4:57 - Vilethorn > Crimson Rod - Corruption:3 Crimson:4 9. Point to Crimson 5:24 - Panic Necklace > Band of Starpower - Corruption:3 Crimson:5 10. Point to Corruption 5:56 - the shadow orb is the better light out of the two but it is weird that give the point out of personally reasons since the video is titled "The DEFINITIVE Answer, Corruption v Crimson" just something I thought was weird about the video (also the biome is based on blood and organs so being grossed out by the heart is odd given the biome you get it from) - Corruption:4 Crimson:5 (end of Corruption :3 sad) 11. Point to Crimson 7:20 - I give the point to Corruption - the worm scarf is better since being able to take almost 4/5 of the damage you would have taken is a great ability plus you given the point to the Brain of Confusion just because you "notice it more" feels a bit unfair and while the Brain of Confusion stopping all the damage you would have taken from an attack is a great ability to have it is also random so you could have the Brain of Confusion stop the damage from a moon lord laser but it also has the same changes of stopping one of the hundred Phantasmal Eye attacks, im not saying the Brain of Confusion is bad but the worm scarf is the better accessory out of the two since having the passive 17% is more reliably than a random changes at stopping a random attack plus the worm scarf is more likely to be used in something like a tank set up compered to the Brain of Confusion - Corruption:5 Crimson:5 12. Point to Corruption 7:43 - I don't count this one - pets? why? this is just you adding your opining to a video that doesn't need it I just thought a video called "The DEFINITIVE Answer" would use more fact that your personally opining on things. (i'm not saying you shouldn't have an opining if you like one pet over the other that's fine its just I thought it was weird to have this in this type of video, I think it would be neat to see a video going over what you like and dislike about each biome) - Corruption:5 Crimson:5 13. Point to Corruption 7:50 - I don't count this one - same thing i said in 12 - Corruption:5 Crimson:5 14. Point to Crimson 8:14 - this is a weird thing Re-Logic did were they tried to make a counter part to each ore but the new court parts are just better versions of the old ores - Corruption:5 Crimson:6 15. Point to Corruption 8:36 - I don't count this one - pre 1.4.4 (the update that added the special effects to the two swords) you could craft the axes as slow but higher damage versions of the swords (which is sad but true) and guess you would want a faster weapon for melee so the point is fair allow at that point you would just craft the swords so I'm not going to count this one since in terms of a tools and not weapons (the way you probably should have ranked these) they are the same - Corruption:5 Crimson:6 16. Point to Crimson 8:51 - I don't count this one - in terms of tools they are the same - Corruption:5 Crimson:6 17. Point to Crimson 8:58 - i don't know why the Fleshcatcher and the Fisher of Souls don't have the same fishing power since they were both added in the same update but for same reason they wanted the Fleshcatcher to have a higher fishing power? - Corruption:5 Crimson:7 18. Point to Crimson 9:15 - on the wiki it says the Artery has 1 more block of range but lasts 1 seconds less but a side from that the Artery seems to be the better yoyo - Corruption:5 Crimson:8 19. Point to Corruption 9:25 - I give the point to Crimson - use time is only for the animation of the tool by the tool speed is what pickaxes use for mining as well as the tool power, the Deathbringer Pickaxe has a 5% higher tool power and a faster mining speed so it is the better tool - Corruption:5 Crimson:9 20. Point to Crimson 9:38 - a demonite spear would be cool - Corruption:5 Crimson:10
-Part-2 21. Point to Crimson 10:19 - same this with the Musket and The Undertaker the slow but higher damage one wins - Corruption:5 Crimson:11 22. Point to Crimson 11:41 - no notes the Blood Butcherer is the better weapon - Corruption:5 Crimson:12 23. Point to Corruption 13:06 - I give this point to Crimson - by the time you have killed an evil world boss i don't think you need to run from enemies or have trouble getting around your world and even if you did the Hermes Boots or its upgrades do this already plus its unfair going oh the shadow armor works great with this accessory and not mention the amount of life regen buffs you can stack with the crimson armor set bonus like camp fires, heart lanterns, honey, the band of regeneration, a regeneration potion and or the Vital Crystal - Corruption:5 Crimson:13 23'5. im going to add this here that the Corruption also has the ancient shadow armor you can farm pre boss - Coruption:6 Crimson:13 24. Point to Corruption 13:46 - not really something i think about but a fair point - Corruption:7 Crimson:13 25. Point to Corruption 14:29 - Herpling are hard to deal with - Corruption:8 Crimson:13 26. Point to Crimson 15:45 - on note - Corruption:8 Crimson:14 27. Point to Corruption 16:25 - a flat damage buff does seem better since critical strike change does max out at 100% - Corruption:9 Crimson:13 28. Point to Crimson 17:14 - you can still fish for these in pre hard mode but a side from that you are mostly right on this one - Corruption:9 Crimson:14 29. Point to Corruption 17:46 - this one is weird but in a playthrough that you don't stick to one class the Toxikarp is the better weapon out of the two weapons - Corruption:10 Crimson:14 30. Point to Corruption 18:39 - 3>2 - Corruption:11 Crimson:14 31. Point to Crimson 18:45 - I don't count this one - it doesn't matter - Corruption:11 Crimson:14 32. Point to Crimson 18:52 - I don't count this one - they are the same in how they work - Corruption:11 Crimson:14 33. Point to Corruption 18:54 - what would you even do as a kite for the crimson? - Corruption:12 Crimson:14 34. Point to Corruption 19:28 - Dart Rifle>Dart Pistol - Corruption:13 Crimson:14 35. Point to Corruption 20:02 - I give the point to Crimson - when compering to two the life drain is the better weapon being able to deal okay damage to the destroyer and kill the probes at the same time plus it gives a good regen buff and not giving it the point because other classes cant use it as effective as a mage can is something that can be said for any weapon plus the Clinger Staff is only good for events (something to note is that the Clinger Staff can be used to make it so only bosses can get pass it in the old ones army event effectively making it so you only have to deal with one portal, you still need to cheek flying enemies and bosses but all the other ground enemies cant get through it) - Corruption:13 Crimson:15 36. Point to Corruption 20:30 - Chain Guillotines>Fetid Baghnakhs - Corruption:14 Crimson:15 37. Point to Crimson 20:54 - Flesh Knuckles>Putrid Scent - Corruption:14 Crimson:16 38. Point to Corruption 22:15 - Scourge of the Corruptor>Vampire Knives Corruption:15 Crimson:16 39. Point to Corruption 22:47 - 2>1 -Corruption:16 Crimson:16 40. Point to Crimson 23:36 - the way you are testing it by using a Musket a slower weapon vs mimics a faster and tanker enemy feels a bit unfair since the longer it takes you to kill something the more the cursed flames are going to help, maybe if you use something like the shotgun or megashark it would feel a bit more fair - Corruption:16 Crimson:17 41. Point to Corruption 24:02 - same thing in 40 you could have had it be more fair using a repeater instead of a pre hard mode weapon since by the time you get Cursed Flames/Ichor i don't think your normally using pre hard mode weapons like the musket or demon bow - Curruption:17 Crimson:17 42. Point to Corruption 24:23 - I give the point to Crimson - if you are using flasks its vs a boss and the ability to lower a bosses defence by 15 is a lot better than 10 damage per second - Corruption:17 Crimson:18 43. Point to Corruption 24:51 - the flare gun would be to strong if you could make ichor flares - Corruption:18 Crimson:18 44. Point to Corruption 25:02 - Ichor drat used to be really good but that was because of a bug - Corruption:19 Crimson:18 45. Point to Crimson 26:45 - I give the point to Corruption - The cursed flames with its higher damage is the better weapon of the two and as just aim a little higher when going up or a little lower when going down with the cursed flames, its not that hard to use- Corruption:20 Crimson:18 And with that does end of this with a score of 20 to Corruption and 18 to Crimson, thanks for reading this I did try my best to get things right but I'm not perfect so... also here is some random totals so you don't have to count them all Number of Point I didn't count for the list:8 Number of Point I Changed as to who gets them:6 Number of Points I added:1
The dps of the cursed flame debuff is actually 24, not 10. Ichor is still better on most builds, you need to hit a bit more than three times per second for it to get ahead, which most builds will do.
You picked vilethorn over crimson cloud because you don't use cloud much in crmion worlds. But in hardmode mage weapons you chose clinger staff for being support weapon. So point for pre-hardmode mage weapon should go to crimson with later logic.
5:10 panic necklace's movespeed is largely negligable in the face of a complete set of accessories, it gets tossed out reasonably quick, the band of starpower at the very least has some strength to stay in your mage loadout for longer, aswell as having an upgrade in the form of the mana regeneration band and magic cuffs, and later on in the form of the celestial cuffs
As much as this video is insanely valid, I just prefer the corruption aesthetic and music. Somewhat unrelated: Pre mech melee also has shadowflame knives - which are unholy powerful - so I would never even give the bladetongue a stray look. Edit: low aggro affects enemies ability to see you only while not attacking in singleplayer. Certain enemies will leave if you don't attack, though. Putrid scent's +5 crit +5 damage effectively makes it a better avenger emblem, there are however better uses for that accessory slot. The same can be said about flesh knuckles in a large capacity (see celestial shell, fire gauntlet, frozen shield, tabi, shield of cthulhu as superior options) Ichor arrows also go insanely hard on multi projectile or high fire rate weapons, since the lowered defense helps these weapons A TON.
Okay so I haven’t done any testing and I do prefer corruption to crimson, however I think the problem with the testing might have been the low damage weapons being tested (e.g. musket). Adding 10(?) dps with curse flame debuff on a weapon that only has for example 40 dps will give a larger impact most likely than ichor’s defense debuff. On more powerful weapons where you are getting hundreds or even thousands of dps the curse flame debuff sees a massive drop off in utility compared to Ichor, especially considering both are hard mode debuffs. Consequently, ichor only gets better as you progress through the game in comparison to cursed flame, which I think is supported by my melee, ranger and mage (not sure about summoner as I never completed a playthrough of it) playthroughs. My final point is also that the debuff weapons were being measured on a pure damage scale, which in some cases like the dart pistol/rifle I don’t have a problem with, however for things like ichor arrows vs curse flame arrows and ichor bullets vs curse flame bullets I use ichor ammo far more than the alternative as it boosts my dps with other weapons far more. Feel free to correct me if I’m wrong about any of this by the way as like I said, I haven’t actually tested any of this and I only came up with this after watching the video (which I thought was very cool).
Both. Possible in every world, just bring some tombstones to dryad. Fish in pre-hm for sphere drops, farm in farmpoint for hm drops, you can craft both summons and fight. I don't care about pickaxes and small things after that
