it was ALL evidence he had of whatever kind (so... presumably, yes the recordings) Billy was wicked smart so i would also ASSUME not the "hard copy" (i e. HIS copy).... just copies of the documentation / evidence. or, simply what's WIDELY known as a "KILLSWITCH" though some ppl tend to confuse the envelope she opened (then played) with the envelope he handed her in the hallway (the killswitch, that is) HOWEVER, as you can see what she opened in the apt was ADDRESSED TO Colin, & had postage (as it had been sent through the mail)....AND though they all had 3rd-party association with one another, neither of the 3 realized they were all linked whatsoever (meaning Billy didn't know THAT'S where she had moved, just that she was moving / had moved, but not specifically that Colin was actually the bf she had moved in with) y'know what they say "it's a small world"....if they only knew! ALSO, it's only minimally (albeit subliminally) implied, but YES the baby's Billy's...as though we know they had relations, there were hinted "complications" in the bedroom (btw Madeline & Colin: Madeline: " do you you wanna talk about last night?" "guys tend tend to make a big deal of IT" "IT'S act quite common" Colin: 😒 "i gotta go to work" IT = "performance" problems....🙀 ...AS WELL AS she had something she wanted to tell Billy & he put it off 2 wks (of course he died b4 those 2 wks were over but 💁🏻♀️ I assume she was gonna mention the baby) & she ONLY, from what we were shown, revealed the baby news to Colin AFTER Billy stalled convo.
It's a Celtic tradition of both Irish and Scottish that took jobs that no one else wanted to do, police and firefighters. So Italians had cosa nosta , Irish controlled police. Uilleann pipes is used to story telling by one person in pub, bagpipes are used in convoys when you have many players .
"I'm the guy who does his job; you must be the other guy." Dialogues in this movie are just pure gold. It's one of the most re-watchable 2 and 1/2 hour movies ever made. Also, this was the film where Martin Scorsese finally won the Oscar for Best Director. He had been nominated, lost five times before and got it on his sixth nomination. His previous nominations were for "Raging Bull", "The Last Temptation of Christ", "Goodfellas", "Gangs of New York" and "The Aviator". He has been nominated three more times for "Hugo", "The Wolf of Wall Street", "The Irishman" and now for "Killers of the Flower Moon". All of them are great films.
@@aimmethodyou genuinely can't compare the two imo, they are wildly different and the Departed was very much trying to do it's own thing. It's absolutely based on Infernal Affairs and has multiple things from it, but it is very clear Scorcese wanted to tell a different story and morality from the original, and I just can't compare the two as they are radically different to me, and they are telling two very different stories by virtue of the setting and characters.
The character of Frank Costello and his involvement with the FBI was very strongly inspired by the story of Whitey Bulger. Bulger was a gangster who rapidly climbed the ranks to become the head of organized crime in Boston and stayed there for decades. Everyone -- EVERYONE -- knew that he was a murderer, pimp, extortionist, and thief and the whole city wanted him put behind bars, but nothing ever stuck on him -- and the reason for that was that he was an FBI informant from way back, aided and abetted by the FBI to climb to the top and stay there. They constantly ran interfernce for him and kept the local police from bringing him down. Finally when the local and state police were going to arrest him, the FBI tipped him off so he could run and stay free for several more years. During the time he was an FBI informant, he committed or ordered to be committed an unknown number of murders (but certainly well into the double digits), all aided and abetted by the FBI. It is one of the most disgraceful and sickening episodes in American law enforcement history, and that's saying something.
people need to stop saying that a direct copy of an hong kong movie has characters inspired by some american gangster, the film company probably put this nonsense out there to lure the type of people that can't resist anything "based on a true story/character" to see the movie.
@@bikingchupei2447 The statement that this is a *direct copy* of is so absurd that it doesn't need to be debunked, but here goes anyway: a *direct copy* would be a shot-for-shot remake with direct translations of dialogue, the same characters (admittedly being renamed), and with nothing being added or subtracted. Since this is not even remotely close to being the case, you're completely wrong: this movie a remake,, but it is not anything. Also, do a little reading about Whitey Bulger and then tell me the character of Costello is not greatly inspired by him.
@bikingchupei2447 Dude, Costello is *obviously* based on Whitey Bulger to anyone who's ever followed/studied him. The movie is also an Americanized adaptation of Infernal Affairs. Both things can be true at the same time.
3:08 There is a great video of Matt Damon talking about how Jack Nicholson made this scene so much more than it was intended to be. It's pretty funny hearing Jack break down the written word and expand upon it And Damon's telling of the story is phenomenal. "But if you leaving the camera rolling..."
It's funny that George was surprised by the elevator death - that's almost exactly how it happened in "Infernal Affairs" (there were just fewer characters involved, but it was just as shocking and it happened as the elevator doors opened) I remember being really surprised Scorcese stuck with the darker ending - that doesn't usually happen when films get adapted for American audiences.
Exactly, I was like huh? Why did George think it was a different ending? Tony Leung's character (Leo's equivalent) got shot the exact same way in the elevator!
@@garylim1562 The Departed actually tries to one-up the original because Leung doesn't make it inside the elevator and is killed by the Anthony Edwards character.(who's dirty) So when Leo and Matt make it inside, some people probably thought they were in for a happier ending. But, nope.
It might suck William died (great from a story point of view) but he did get his identity back, burial with full honors, revenge on Sullivan and is heavily implied to have a child on the way; I think that's as good an ending as you could get in this film.
Costigan had the integrity of a hero, making his death resonant and that much more painful after what he endured. He could have saved his own life after he noticed the 'Citizens' envelope, in a self-preserving escape from the knowledge that Sullivan was the rat, but he defiantly--and naively because there was more than just one rat--chose to be a cop despite the risk to his life.
4:06 Boston has a long history of Irish cops. There was a lot of Irish hate in the 1800s when immigrants trying to escape the potato famine were coming to the states by the boatload. They found work in jobs that most would look down on, like factory work and hard labor. They had a hard time getting any respectable jobs. The police department was not so picky, and the Irish community got a strong foothold in the police department, and from then on, it has been a very Irish-friendly institution with a long Irish heritage.
The massive amounts of Irish immigrants in late 19th century East Coast cities like NYC and Boston, and their descendants joining city services led to the association with bagpipes. It became a kind of tradition that spread to departments elsewhere.
direct from Google: Bagpipes were often played at Celtic funerals and ceils (dances). Many Irish and Scottish immigrants took jobs that were considered "dirty," like firefighters and police officers so the tradition carried over.
Since you caught the actor from Shawshank who gave Billy "the wrong address," also note that Fitzy ("I'm not gonna be home for supper") is Stephen, Braveheart's crazy Irishman. If that's the film you know him from, his face/voice are totally unrecognizable here. So ... he's good.
Which is a bit unfortunate to me as this is a remake and I think the original is better. Then again, making it cheesier through adding things like the love triangle isn't necessarily about direction.
I think this is the first reaction to The Departed on RU-vid where the reactor has seen Infernal Affairs first. So congrats! Seeing the translation from Hong Kong to Boston was one of the most interesting things about the film, especially considering Irish Mob movies aren't as popular as Italian Mafia films.
Scorsese Actually showed the roots of this hatred between them in Gangs of New York, when the fire fighters joind the mobs in the protests in the last part of the movie, and the Police was shooting them dead
While I'm genuinely happy for him that he's one of the few famous actors who was able to retire and stay retired, his screen presence is sorely missed. Who knows how many more great performances he had in him. (Ditto Gene Hackman and the late Sean Connery.)
One cool thing to notice throughout the movie is how many people tell Costigan (Dicaprio) about going back to school Mark Wahlberg said he's an astrounaut, not a cop, Costello told him to go back to school and when he said no, he replied: Maybe one day you will wake the fuck up It's an interesting message for people who try to sabotage their own potential, and pretty tragic.
At the end of the day it was pretty dumb of Leo to just leave the station. He could have solved everything then and there if only he played along with Matt Damon a little longer
It is, the only other ones that immediately jump to mind are Let Me In/Let The Right One In, Vanilla Sky/Open Your Eyes, and City of Angels/Wings of Desire. I'm sure there's more but those are the ones that I can think of right now.
I know it’s part of their thing but I never know what Simone‘s openings mean. I have not understood a single one I think since the show started. I’m sure it’s just me but I honestly have no idea what she’s talking about every time she introduces a show ha ha ha :-) Love you guys though!
One of my favorite movies, whenever I watch it, it becomes my answer to "what's your favorite movie?" or "what's a movie you recommend?" for like 2 weeks
I also love at the end we find out that Billy was more trusted by Jack Nicholson than Matt Damon. That Billy did such an amazing job covering his tracks despite him having a good hunch it should have been him. It also parallels Matt Damon with exception of Mark is able to fool every body despite him also being the more obvious choice as rat.
I never had a movie theater experience like this one. The amount of anxiety and stress I was feeling has never been felt before. In my opinion, this is the best movie ever made.
Your comment reminded me of my own experience...I remember seeing it in a packed cinema, Saturday night. The moment the guy was thrown from the roof the entire audience gasped in unison, it was such a collective shock! It was really incredible, you don't get cinema experiences like that anymore :(
The movie that finally won Martin Scorcese a Best Director Oscar. Though circumstantially it was kind of obvious when the people presenting the award that year were Steven Spielberg and George Lucas. (Edit: And Francis Ford Coppola.)
Along with their other belongings, the Irish brought their deep-rooted Celtic traditions with them. One of those happened to be the playing of bagpipes at weddings, dances and funerals.
Every week I watch a movie I haven’t seen, and then I go to my reaction friends on RU-vid to see what everyone thinks. And every time, there is one channel that has reacted to the movie literally days before or the day of me watching it. This week you were the channel! Congrats!
I love Scorcese & I love this film. Everybody is great but Mark Wahlberg’s character always makes me laugh. Unfortunately, I knew what happened to Leonardo’s character because I saw the original (Infernal Affairs). However, it was very different - more brutal & unforgiving in The Departed. If you see this, you should watch Carlito’s Way, Blow Out, Warriors, Serpico, Taxi Driver, Midnight Run, Raging Bull, Grave of the Fireflies & The Running Man …
You guys should check out Black Mass with Johnny Depp playing the role of Bulger (Jack Nicholsons character). Bulger was a real criminal and the story is based on true events.
🤣 spent the whole watching time waiting for Simone react to Leonardo DiCaprio, getting killed in the elevator! Made my day… what the fuck!…what the fuck!
Collin was looking at Madolyn in confusion at Billy's funeral. About why she was there, how she knew him and why she was so upset. You can tell by his face he is piecing it together. Then he asks her about the baby. I think it's implying it's Billy's kid, not Collin's. I believe the envelope contained the documents Billy was talking about on the roof. We only heard the tape; we didn't see the documents. I think it also had a note from Billy telling her to go to Dignam with it. When Billy died, I think she gave the documents to Dignam. Still, he figured after everyone died and treated Collin like a hero, and since Dignam resigned from the police, he couldn't prove it, so Dignam decided just to murder Collin.
I love many things about this movie, but the liberal use of "I'm Shipping Up To Boston" by Dropkick Murphys and pretty much every line that Mark Wahlberg says are high on the list.
I always thought George and Simone were dating but she made a comment that watching explicit scene feels like watching with a parent. Are they not a couple?
The ending is actually exactly the same as Infernal Affairs up until Whalberg kills Damon. In the original the Damon/Lau character gets away with it until the sequels.
The accents are all over the place. Of course, Damon and Wahlberg, who both grew up around Boston, are the best at it. Nicholson barely even tries to do one.
Infernal Affairs is still the better version of this story tbh. The shades of grey in the characters are better accentuated in the original. Matt Damon's character is just an asshole throughout.
I'm a flight medic on primarily helicopters, one time our company lent an aircraft to be used in a hospital drama. So, when I was on set with the aircraft I sort of became the defacto technical advisor, they had ZERO interest in doing much of anything realistically. The one actor playing a medic did ask me what I would say to the pilot to get him to fly faster? I replied that that wasn't a thing since we always fly as fast as we can in the first place, otherwise, why would you call me? He didn't like that answer and asked anyways in the episode (which I understand, a speaking roll!), there were sooo many other examples of it though and I was only there for 1 day!
Maybe I’m alone here, but with the exception of Taxi Driver, I think this is Martin Scorsese’s best work… Raging Bull, Goodfellas, Shutter Island, and Killers of the Flower Moon are up there, of course, but personally this is a favorite. Also, I love that George quoted some Avril Lavigne in the commentary, just saying
The bagpipe connection with certain police and firemen units goes way back to the first police and fire departments were being formed in early American cities by Irish immigrants. The movie is also loosely based on actual events of the Boston Winter Hill Gang with Jack's character based on mob boss Whitney Bulger and Matt's character based on corrupt FBI agent John Connolly.
While this might be one of the very best remakes ever, I do still prefer the original. Mostly for third reasons. First, it's such a lean and efficient film, which made it more tense. And second, the characters are much more "grey", while in The Departed it's pretty obvious who's good and who's bad. In Infernal Affairs it's basically about two guys stuck in a world they want to get out of. And third, as much as I like Jack Nicholson, he's just way over the top here. The guy in IA wasn't intimidating at all, he seemed a likeable and funny guy.....until he meant business. Which seems more appropriate for the role. But then again, Scorsese is still Scorsese, so despite a few flaws compared to the original, there is still so much to love about this film.
George: I know you've seen Infernal Affairs, but I thought it would've been nice to introduce Simone to it. Everyone (on YT) seems to skip the original and go for the remake.
The best part of the reaction to this film is the shock when Leonardo Dicaprio's character is killed and the domino effect afterward! It was funny when George said, "Don't ever do that again, Alec Baldwin that was upsetting." 😂😂😂😂
I started and deleted this comment like 10 different times with 10 different premises, and finally figured out how to dial it back: I've never seen Infernal Affairs (though I desperately plan to one day), but if I could choose any one single takeaway from this particular film, it's the concept that bad people can be good people, and good people can be bad people. Jack Nicholson demonstrates pure evil, and yet he's constantly kind of charismatic and amusing. Even if you don't share those feelings, you can understand how people would like him. Matt Damon demonstrates easy evil, the evil of people who are generally good people, day to day, but working towards evil ends, and can convince themselves of their lack of complicity. Leo demonstrates the difficult good, the man whose goals are good but must do the most evil, corrupt shit to achieve those ends, and how ugly and unpleasant that can be. Finally, Mark Wahlberg demonstrates pure "good", and how corrupt, cruel, and ugly the means those ends can get. He kills the bad man, sacrifices the good men, and achieves little just to earn some small progress. I don't know what, if any lesson Scorsese is trying to demonstrate, if he's not just exposing the human condition, but that's my takeaway of the core premises of this film Edit: Of course they look like each other, they're just the same person from different angles. Leo is the good person who adapted to the Boston underground to fix it. Matt Damon (god bless his ability to occasionally be a cunt, Interstellar) is the bad person who tried to adapt to his understanding of "how things work" in Boston. The good people are shitheads, the shitheads are successful, and much like the real world, the difference is just action, not "who you are"
34:39 Scorsese is no stranger to remakes: his adaptation of Cape Fear showed how to successfully remake a classic while adding something new to the mix.
"Bagpipes were often played at Celtic funerals and ceils (dances). Many Irish and Scottish immigrants took jobs that were considered "dirty," like firefighters and police officers so the tradition carried over."
Insane how many times Scorsese was nominated for an Oscar and finally won Best Director/Best Picture for this one (as I feel it's VINTAGE Scorsese). His nomination for KILLERS OF THE FLOWER MOON this year actually set a record; with 10 nominations, he's now the most Oscar nominated Director
Service jobs in the public sector usually attract low income people that might not have many opportunities, thats why the military is full of men and women coming from those backgrounds. The job offers stability, insurance, education. More often than not low income means immigrant and in the case of Boston said immigrants were mostly Irish that came at the beginning to the mid XX century. At some point Irish immigrants were a huge part if not the majority of the force (as tangentially illustrated in the movie) and they just culturally appropriated the force as their own, if you were of Irish decent the force is prepared to give you an Irish salute because they are just in the majority. This is a view you might see in New York, New Jersey, Chicago and Baltimore because the Irish immigration there is also very high but not in Miami or Los Angeles were the immigrant population is from different backgrounds.
THE OMG count is back!!! I loved both of your reactions!!! How about that surprise ending? Simone's reaction was so awesome! I loved the editing in this video. Thank you both!!
Wow, keep trying to get used to the use of this motion stabiliser/face tracker thing in your editing process, and this time around I nearly had to go hurl. And I'm not the type to get motion sickness, either! Couldn't watch this one, sorry guys. 😓💖
