The Disappearance of DeOrr Kunz 

Tyler The Guy so true. I thought his “ no comment” was interesting. What if the father threatened him. And he doesn’t want to lie

@@bilindalaw-morley161 But threatened him with what? It's been years. Why would Issac still be afraid? If he witnessed it why not say something during all those interviews and if he killed Dior, how did he do it and hide the body that quickly? It's still a mystery for me because I can't align enough facts to point me in any direction.

Tyler The Guy that is the way Narcissism goes. Ive experienced it too And im not mentally slow. Nor awkward. I feel badly for him and that baby. Someone knows and im Shocked noones spilled the beans

Totally agree. If this is the case, I feel awful for Isaac. Poor guy just wanted to enjoy a good time and make friends. I don't trust the look or sound of the parents--especially the dad. How they present everything--it just strikes me as very fishy.

Didn't he have a prior sex charge?

Agreed....true parents love their children unconditionally!!! I would be devistated if I lost one of my children.....I wouldn't be able to think about anything other than losing my child for a very long time ......maybe even forever.....I think I would lose all interest in romantic relationships

It's called finding "comfort" when tbete is no support system.

I don't think Vernell and Jessica were married.

She found “rebound guy”

Jonathan.... I was thinking the exact same thing. I would be such a mess. Very sick and sad story

Yeah it is sad but people in the comments say he did have rape charges? Sorry man but if he has, no pity for him.

@@NoName-jn5rn I honestly don't know the circumstances of that and it was pleaded all the way down to a misdemeanor, so who knows with that case. There are too many cases in the US where innocent people take plea deals due to being convinced that the evidence is totally against them. Given his background and how he is, I'm seriously curious as to what the circumstances of that crime are. Plus, while it's hard for people to understand, being a rapist doesn't make one a child killer.

@@NoName-jn5rn Maybe those charges are also the result of people judging/exploiting his appearance. You know it's possible.

100% This made my mouth fall open, I don't know what is worse, making a statement like that or feeling that you have to to make people stop and think. I'm someone who has always been judged by the way I look and not in a nice way yet I have done nothing to deserve it and in actual fact would do anything to help anyone and only those who bother to get to know me ever find that out, it's awful.

@@CourtneyTunbridge79 you keep doing you. I bet you're more loved and liked then you may know. 🥴

They knew and analyzed their America quite well. Autistic persons involved in any way in a crime are always pointed to as being guilty based on being "weird" or "different" ... what a country!!??

Maybe. Call me old fashioned, but I find it incredibly difficult to sympathize with someone who's been convicted of a sex crime. From where I'm sitting there's no innocent party among this lot of degenerates.

Isaac has been convicted of a sex crime though, so there's that.

So true

Uhhhhhh…. Have you watched all of the other documentaries on and about this?

Clearly not much going on out in Idaho sheez

You mean her father, their son and a friend of the family?

I live in nothern Canada.Ppl from all over the world come here yrly for the outdoors.99.99% of 'em the finest ppl! RARELY any idiots.That goes for any nationality,especially Americans and Ukrainians.

@Olli Rolli Sure, but you're usually not out in the woods when having sex with a stranger - camping makes you more isolated. You're also not typically involving a child with that stranger. Granted, as a Canadian, I'd say that most people I've met, camping or otherwise, have been fine people.

@@garpikemike1 ever see a pack of Grey Wolves? I live in Arkansas never seen a wolf in the wild. Just on tv..

Cool here on 10/29/19

Nice

I’m not surprised. When law enforcement publicly announces that you failed polygraph tests and that’s a big part of your lawsuit against a PI, it doesn’t bode well for your success in that endeavor.

Thank you! 01/20/20

They found the body now

Stacy Russell ~ Great point!!!

A lot of people have questions whether or not their son was even on this trip as there's no definitive proof that they took him with them.

Like Lori Love says, great point. There should be signs the boy was indeed there at the campsite.

As others have said - great point. Unfortunately the idea that little DeOrr might have never been at the campsite didn't come up until well after the family left, so the opportunity to do that type of DNA search was lost. I remember the initial assumptions were that he wandered off, he was abducted or animal attack - so unfortunately they were focussed outward rather than checking for a lack of clues on-site. It's part of the reason the PI Klein makes such a big deal of finding the 'missing' toys & jacket in their trash, because they had been searching for items they were specifically told were missing from the campsite with DeOrr Jnr.

I wonder if the blood on the dad’s truck was tested?

It's a mystery, honey, a mystery! Don't you believe in magic, hon?

Right true

She must know he's dead. She acts like I did when I was in an extremely abusive relationship. She doesn't speak up on her own, she's timid, she lets him do ALL the talking and she's constantly looking at him for validation or permission to speak. And she just looks plain dead inside. I think she knows what happened, that the husband did it, and that she left him and moved on with her life. What else could she do? And why the heck would Isaak cover for them?? That part is nagging me.

It's very sus. 1) They were in debt 2) Wanted a divorce 3) Mrs. was seeing someone on the side 4) Deorr's personal effects at the family home? What? 5) Todd? Who is this guy? 6) The grandad doesn't trust him for anything at all, but would let him alone with his grandkid? WHAT? 7) Conflicting recollections as to what happened that day 8) THE DAMN CADAVER DOGS 9) No emotion on mum's face. She might as well be Casey Anthony. 10) Points 1-9. What? WHAT? Arrest these kooks. I'm convinced it was murder. Poor Deorr. 💔

Totally ! Can't get enough of Mike and his videos 😁

Same here

Been doing that the last 2 or 3 days.

I'm in like day 6

Just wrote this

Exactly!

Totally agree!

I was thinking exactly the same thing, lost my 3 yr old daughter in shop one day, she ran ahead.. couldn't find her for 5 min and I was ready to call the Police...that 5 minutes felt like an eternity..I was absolutely frantic

And she doesn’t know how tall her son is?!

My thoughts exactly!! No one is like “oh uh yeah he’s missing” I would be a wreck!! Like the operator wouldn’t even understand me!

If they're not killers, they're at the very least deadbeat parents with a callous attitude about losing their 2 year old son.

You're right about that. When Mr Paulides chronicled this story for the Missing 411, he chronicled another story out of Colorado where a boy of the same age went missing. In the Colorado case, the dad still had all of his son's toys and clothes including the clothes the boy was wearing when he went missing(the Colorado boy's body was found) and he cried holding them. That was a parent whose child got lost in the woods. These people are monsters

@@jessicabarczewski1910 I think I knkw the story youre referring to. The little boy had a sister and the kids were out on a hike with a church group and the dad was back at his cabin or store?

@@riotgrrrl5924 she's talking about the Dad that has custody of all his kids, but the youngest was always with him ... They went hunting, but the son was asleep so the dad left him in the car ... 30 minutes later he came back to find his son missing .... Can't remember how long it took to find the body 😔

She talking about Jarrod he went missing the church group ask to take his kids hiking then didnt do their job just let his 5 year old wounder off i would never be able to forgive my self if i took some one baby on hike then just feel down on job as much as they did.

That's my theory as well.

They probably killed him up there. Oooor. They had his dead body I'm the car and said he was asleep ?

Dogs would have gone straight to the smell. My year old pup isn't even trained, and he has brought home every single Deer bone within a half mile of home!

I agree.

Are you doubting dogs senses ?? I wouldn't..if I were you!

@Sjwaria Law If it was the parents I think it was most likely an accident at home and the chikd was never there,which would imply that Isaac is lying about Dior Jr being there. Which I guess is unlikely but maybe he is scared. He doesn't seem to have the highest IQ and maybe the family convinced him that since he already knew what happened he would but I'm just as much trouble as them, and he believes it. It seems odd to me that he said "no comment" to every question but then was like "all I can say is that he was definitely there" idk what I believe the whole thing is just so strange

@Sjwaria Law but see idk the only way he would have witnessed it is if it happened at the apt right before they left for the trip OR they knew he wasn't all there and could manipulate him...so they invite him over, tell him what happened and then basically say "welp now that you know what happened you will be in just as much trouble as us so now you have to help us cover it up" and he got so scared he believed them... You'd think if that was true that he eventually would give them up cause I would imagine the detectives tried a super friendly and helpful approach to getting info "like look we know they are using you, tell us the truth and you won't be in trouble" but idk maybe he just has it in his mind that he is in too deep to tell the truth.

@Sjwaria Law but more likely would be that the accident happened right before they left and since he was there he felt like he had to go with the plan. If they all were in on it tho it seems unlikely they would try to throw him under the bus tho, but maybe they just were banking on the fact he is so odd noone would believe him

@Sjwaria Law idk why it's so strange to me that he wanted to say "all I know for sure is that he was there" that could so easily mean nothing and be the truth but for some reason my gut said that was strange

First thing I thought, the kid was dead before they left

Sir, this is a Wendy’s.

Same lol

I found it disturbing the father said he looked for 20 mins around the water. That's all?

I'd sleep on the ground, under the stars ,covered in dirt ,snacking on insects ,for fucksake, if this were my child. Dont even question my love for my babygirl! I dont believe these people, for a second...ignorant coverup of their wrong doings against their son!

@@ognyena well said, im in the same boat! the mother at the time showed a lot of tell tale signs of methamphetamine use/abuse also... this could be an accidental death cover up.

Especially when the operator says "an hour??"

Bear took him.

Interesting. The guy interviewed near the end said that the dogs are trained to find "human cadaver scent," but I was curious how they differentiate the scent of other decomposing animal remains. So the dogs did find remains, but they weren't human?

@@wmpx34 well, even humans can feel some difference between different corpses' odor, dogs definitely can smell it way easier.

@@melodi996 If so, then why did they hit on animal remains?

@LuStar That's what I was thinking...there must be a rough threshold of decay where the dogs can reasonably distinguish human remains from those of animals. After that they are just hitting on any of it

the dogs were after a box of gaines burgers 😜😜😜😜

Yeah but if your kid is 3 years old he's not getting far

@@supriseimblacknot necessarily true

Agreed. The part that hurts this theory is Isaac insists he saw the boy at the campground. I think they manipulated him into thinking he saw the boy alive.

@@Christopher-Lenz How the heck could they do that?

@@tenslein8977 It's not that hard to gaslight someone, especially two on one. Keep asking him, "Don't you remember he was there and did so and so?" the other agrees, next thing the poor guy knows he doubts his own memory. I don't blame him for his "No comment."

@@Christopher-Lenz hey could have possibly been in on it or aware but wasnt expecting them to pin it on him, but once he found out they did, he couldnt do anything about it because of his involvement

I thought the same thing since everyone pointed fingers at him

It haunts me too.

Blood on the wheel and bumper !!!

Im pretty sure most moms dont know how tall their toddlers are off the top of their heads.

You know your kid's exact heights at random times? I can only ever tell you how tall mine were last time they went to the doctor and were measured. At 3 years old, I could have maybe guessed but wouldn't know exactly. Hell, mine are 20 and 14 now and all I know is that they're both taller than me, though I can hazard a close guess.

@@mommy2libras If you had to, though, I bet you could have given an estimate of height though over the phone to the 911 operator. They weren't asking for exact height.

I understand what you mean, its maybe not that she didnt know exactly but when the question was asked, mom seems distracted in a way thats off-putting, its an awkward moment when a parent who is reaching out for help would be more invested in the conversation. If someone is trying to give answers to the person that is going to relay the info to the people who will be searching for their missing child, they might sound like theyre genuinely considering the question for a helpful response.

There's no evidence they did anything.

Sure seems that way.

sounds about right

I think that’s a pretty good call.

Agreed!

Yeah, otherwise why would you propose a guy to go camping if you have no particular affinity, affection or trust for him? I can tell there's some sort of evil calculation behind this.

Just on the off chance you get framed for murder? Lol Better safe than sorry I guess

I actually fit in IF I want to, but I'd rather be me, so I also avoid the odd man out situations. If you're like me, you know when people THINK that they're "getting over" on you, and it drives you cfindrazy. I tend to get a little "angry" in those situations, and then people have to out that just because I'm quiet and polite, doesn't mean I'm not a beast! I feel ya bro!

My phone is finished!

Issac ate the kid

Straight up I’ll bet real money they brought Issac along to be the fall guy. No one knew him. No one trusted him. Everyone betrayed him first chance he got. Yet his is the only story that is consistent.

Seems most likely. If he wandered off and fell in the creek or the nearby lake then search teams would've found him. A 2 year old can't wander that far. It was most likely an accident they tried to cover up.

That crossed my mind... but that would mean Issac is lying.

@@MotherYaya Not necessarily. He did state he saw him there but wasn’t comfortable giving specifics (justifiable and wise imho, especially if he had nothing to do with it not sure if a lawyer advised him or what). My guess is that he isn’t comfortable giving specifics because doing so could potentially implicate him after wising up he was supposed to be the fall guy and wants no part in whatever plot the parents had assuming their potential involvement. One would assume he would want to expose whatever he witnessed in order to help investigators but if he’s telling the truth I doubt he was told or shown enough to be able to help without getting himself in trouble by proxy. The child he thought he saw could have already been deceased (totally speculative on my part I’ll admit) but honestly do you think anyone would leave him be if he publicly said anything implying that? Especially if he was specifically brought to be the fall guy. That’s why my money is he probably confided what he actually saw to an attorney who wisely advised him to zip it on that info until a body is recovered. Without one could open himself up to lawsuits by the parents or even more fingers pointed his way unfairly. It’s one of those frustrating situations that are there for that exact reason. If he wasn’t advised by an attorney then he’s way smarter than anyone is giving him credit for, or we’re not getting the full picture of what really happened for some tragic reason. I’m not ruling anyone out until the truth comes to light tho

i think your theory is really smart.

Has anyone thought of an eagle? I’m not from the US but they can carry a small child a fair distance. Also wild dogs ? Medium size dingoes can carry baby’s miles. I don’t know what happened but I believe the child was there. One of these 4 people would have said so. Probably the outsider. Why would he still lie about it now.

You blame the parents when there may not be a reason to.

@@jamesthomas1649 at least you know not to breed a lot. That's good.

I don’t buy it in this case especially considering the environment and situation, but it could potentially happen under certain circumstances. Humans get distracted, bad things can happen even without parental negligence, also freak accidents can happen. Just like you can get pickpocketed even if you’re trying to be careful of your belongings, or a car can swerve into a living room.

How was she supposed to ask?

That was what I was thinking as well.

@@jefferyfromsouthernmaine2482 um usually you're flipping out and wicked crying

Regardless of all the other evidence, how she sounds on the phone is irrelevant. Some people call 911 in an absolute panic, and some people attempt to stay as calm as possible so they can relay information properly to the 911 dispatcher. I've never lost a child, but I have phoned 911 during emergency situations and even though my heart is pounding and my mind is racing, I know for a fact that I cannot help if the dispatcher can't understand me, so I control my breathing and I answer questions as short/quickly as possible, and when the call is over, I collapse under the stress. I know in this case there's a lot of other evidence against the parents, but I just wanted to mention that judging someone on their demeanor during the 911 call is not a valid means of determining guilt/innocence. In some cases, yes, it seems very clear. But as a whole, the individual psychology of a person is very hard to determine, which is why therapists and detectives have jobs. Lol

@@eyden1562 you have too much time on your hands smh

Gotim

People are so fuckin dumb lol

Texas - Everybody has a shotgun Idaho - Everybody had a sack of potatoes and the Mormon Bible Louisiana - Everybody has crawfish and a can of Tony’s 😂

The attorney sounds like a real smartass that's saying anything negative about the private investigator (Kline) in order to try to discredit the information that he has uncovered about the parents. You have to remember that the parents are the ones who initially hired Kline. So, if Kline found evidence that the parents were lying or covering up something in regards to Deorr missing, you know that he's most likely telling the truth. I mean, why bite the hand that's feeding you?? When the parents fired Kline, another family member hired him back. Also, the lawsuit filed against Kline by the parents ended up being completely dismissed, so I'm wondering if the parents got worried about his ability to provide proof of what he had been saying and presenting it in court to defend himself against their lawsuit and ending up making them look even more guilty?

@@philiptucker7590 Um, I'd say everyone has a gun in Idaho. Last time I was there, can't think of one Mormon I met.

I would burn this country from one coast to the other for my son.

I agree and feel the same way about the Madeleine McCann case. Nobody can seem to remember the LAST time they saw their child? Seems like BS.

If you think that you don't know much about psychology. Brains do not work like computers. Our memories are fluid, they are constantly being rewritten by our brain, tinted by emotions, re-sorted into new context, linked up with other experiences. And the more often someone is asked to recount an event, the more its details will be rewritten into a narrative of a memory, not the opposite. The only experiences that get "etched into the brain" are traumatic experiences that return in flashbacks. And no, wondering where your child is, running around searching, slowly realizing your child has disappeared, is merely horrible... traumatic would be seeing your child step on a grenade and turn into a rain of blood and flying limbs.

@@TF2CrunchyFrog You seem somewhat confused by what "traumatic" means. An event does not have to be anywhere near as spectacular as the example you've given to be considered traumatic. In fact the disappearance of a child fits the definition of "traumatic" perfectly. Even a cursory Google check on the definition of traumatic would show this, and gives an example of a traumatic event which could never be considered as horrific as the one you've outlined. Traumatic - deeply disturbing or distressing. "she was going through a traumatic divorce". Also, while I will concede that the human memory is fluid and malleable, there's no satisfactory explanation for the parents recollections repeatedly changing again and again - up to half a dozen times. In fact that's precisely what homicide detectives are looking for - discrepancies. And while I agree that it's unlikely that events are 'burned' perfectly into the respective memories of the parents, they should be relatively consistent. Remember they were camping - a leisurely day, not running around from appointment to appointment. I'm not accusing the parents - innocent until proven guilty, but their inability to accurately recollect events is worrying.

@@ianmacfarlane1241 Well said

Or the fathers

Intrue. Whatch full interviews.

@@helenaelizabeth792 the father quite clearly had tears all over his face at one point. But still none on the mothers. I think its possible she killed their son and the husband either doesn't know or is protecting her.

I watch interrogations all day. I find them fascinating and enjoy psychology very much. I am no expert but it looks like the parents were being honest.

@@helenaelizabeth792 Those look like tears to me at 11:03. But none from the mother.

Not everyone would say he’s wearing..I’d probably answer the same saying “he was wearing”...just saying...

No that’s not anything abnormal. The operator uses the word was, so that’s why the mother did.

Good catch.

Nice Job, Bonus Points to you.

I thought that to!!

I saw the missing 411 interview with them as well and agree absolutely nothing paranormal happened here. I felt that Dave should’ve left this case out of it bc the other cases actually did have strange and unexplainable circumstances. But this one had a simple solution: the parents. I bet they badly beat him and accidentally killed him and tried to cover it up.

@@flamingapplepie1 Whatever they did I'm sure they planned for it to happen. That's what it looks like to me. It really hurts to see cases like this because you cant do anything but hope for a miracle. Unless these monsters that call themselves parents confess out of the blue I dont see how they can prove them they did it. These are the types that have no real emotions, no real conscience, they'll play dumb and lie all they want. You can only pray for the poor kid. It's so tragic.

@@stormcutter59 it’s just horrible. Deorr jr looks like my little brother; my dad would never do anything remotely similar to this, ever. These “parents” are just a different breed of evil, then to keep up the facade: no conscience. It would be nice if little deorr got justice, but unfortunately as said, it just seems unlikely at this point. Have to hope neither has anymore kids.

@@flamingapplepie1 Yeah it's just awful. Unfortunately you gotta move on and have faith you'll do well by yourself and future kids. It stings how justice isnt always served everywhere you go but that's unfortunately the reality of life. I cant get into too many cases like this because it just drives me crazy. That's why I've distanced myself from them for a while. It gets too much.

@@stormcutter59 very true. I often avoid cases with children for that specific reason. It can all get too much, but those are just particularly depressing, especially when there is no justice.

I can't even imagine that, if I had ever lost my child ( she is grown up now). I would not be able to stop crying. This is horrible also, but If I knew who killed him, that person would never make it to jail. That is a horrible thing to say. But, it is true

Sick people, killing children. So fucked up.

GR8FUL INDEED you’re right, it is heartbreaking. I think this is why there are remains of several young Jane and John Doe found, which no one has reported as missing. Their own families are the ones who hurt them. 😢

I can never take people seriously when they type out something considered very sad and then they end it with a stupid fucking emoji.

Michele Travis - I concur.......... I would absolutely make sure “they wouldn’t make it to jail” cuz that’d be in the ground

@@nozoto I think it would be possible to manipulate the scene, by pretending to interact with DeOrr in the presence of Isaac, using various props such as clothes, blankets, etc. Maybe they asked Grandpa to help them coverup baby's death, & he suggested "bring along this guy Isaac, he'll believe what we tell him".

Their interviews remind me of the mccanns.

@@nozoto Isaac has been shown to not have the best awareness of his surroundings, and is likely mentally vulnerable. furthermore he's the only one whose story has been consistent and the parents' lie detector results are unreliable (and the test itself is notoriously unreliable)

@K. C.W if the blood in the car fender is true mayby the dad or mom accidentally backed or run over the kid and panicked and buried the kid somewhere

Don't jump to conclusions, Mary. Chances are the boy was kidnapped or killed by illegal immigrants.

@marsjacobvolta is that factual?

@marsjacobvolta not trying to downplay the sex offender part but you can get on the list for public exposure. You can get charged for public exposure for just even pissing outside.

@Lynne Martin i don't want Isaack no where near me,let along a child.

@@mawlinzebra this is true BUT it RARELY happens. A huge amount of people registered as sex offenders are legit rapists, pedos..etc

@@0oidiedinatimemachineo024 A huge amount are "true sex offenders" but a good deal are not as well! I've known ppl who were "registered sex offenders" for hvng sex with someone just a few yrs younger than them. At those ending teenage years, if you're 19 dating a 17 year old (or whatever the age restrictions are now, I dont even know) you CAN get on that registry! It's just best to know all the facts of why, what, where, when and how before jumping to conclusions is all I mean to say.

I couldn’t agree more, very odd considering people usually have dozens of them

I thought the same thing! Those wee cars could've been stuffed down the back of the couch or somewhere odd n the parents think they're lost. Kids lose, or leave somewhere, toys all the time, esp little ones like matchbox cars!

Also like it’s not crazy for the parents to have two camo jackets for the kid.

I agree, I agree with you and if it a favourite toy be only way notice was missing,

mrmememe77 I never knew how many, never paid attention to colors, markings, etc. I was intimately acquainted with some because they camouflaged themselves on floors and when barefoot I frequently stepped on them. They are not soft. I always thought they were boring, but kids liked to collect them. I gave my grandson a gift card a couple of years ago and he bought a matchbox car race track with numerous cars and the track and pit stop garages, etc. My son said he told him how he had such cars when he was a little boy. Poor thing, I've never asked him how many have temporarily crippled him.

Suspish…gotta borrow that word. Yeah everyone reacts differently. Thing is, she couldn’t recall what he was wearing too…

I don't find that too weird, I could imagine being hyper-focused on searching, emotions not fully processing bcs you're in *find my child* mode, struggling to pull yourself from the situation, and to be present in a conversation on the phone (theoretically, not saying I'm convinced this was the case) To me not being able to say how tall her child is was more of a red flag than her demeanor during the call. I don't know why that was my biggest red flag but it instantly felt off to me

@@pink_alligator The entire call seemed 'off' to me. But yeah, the height question response (or lack thereof) was the clincher. The complete lack of knowledge of a basic medical fact of a two-year old which you supposedly love - that's telling of total disregard for that kid.

@S Moran Love Bailey Sarian...:)

He said "searchers looked on horseback" too.

Well horses are the original all terrain vehicle after all.

Which was a reference to the ATVs.. Not the horses

mtilford theyre the ONLY all terain GREEN vehicle! Plus they are only ones that will LOVE YOU TOO

There were atvs too

And Patsy was going to be the isaac. They had it all figured out.

STAHPIIIT lmao

@** look up patsy please

I heard before grandpa bob whom was camping "confessed" so they can pin the murder that jessica and vernal did on the grandpa and isaac so Jessica won't have to pay for what she and vernal did. I know david marshburn told someone I know well that bob basically confessed before he passed away to david, and david said they are going to accuse isaac of raping deorr in front of grandpa bob bevause bob liked men, (and that he believes there is incest in bob jessica and trina family) then said isaac killed deorr in front of bob then hiding his remains saying all of this happened while Jessica and vernal were taking a few minutes to look at fish or whatever. I have David saying this on voice recording, and that the police has proof isaac was into child porn. I think david had gotten paid off to run with whatever is being fed to him but I hope the truth just comes out. I feel bad for Isaac. I heard that Vernal Kunz daughter was a set up as Deorr Kunz jr. for the camping trip bcuz she was small enough and they cut her hair like deorrs so Isaac did see a kid n wuz made 2 believe it was deorr bcuz I heard deorr kunz jr died b4 the camp trip to leadore. trina helped set the trip 2 timber up so they can all pin it on isaac reinwand bcuz his background n he is weird. I hope this little boy gets justice especially since Penner n Trina r extremely close even b4 the case n doesn't want 2 press charges or nething. He has no business working this case becuz he is too close to the family it puts too much pressure on the poor man. It's such a mess. Pleaz pray 4 this little boy you guys. Trina knows what happened and is protecting the rest. Its deeper than every1 knows but in think if the right law enforcement agencies work the case besides Penner it will get solved.

@@jfielding2177 you dont have any proof lmao

They were awful parents.

Nice use of galavanting.

Yeah, I see your point.

Well, at 9:03, Isaac is very sure that the boy was there at the camp site. So why the theories about the boy never being there? If the boy was never actually there, then Isaac is lying.

@@bills6093 he also asks Isaac when the last time he saw him there was and Isaac said “no comment”. Then he asks Isaac if he was there at all and Isaac says yes. To me it sounds like the baby was there, but at some point he wasn’t there anymore and Isaac is afraid to specify when the child actually ended up missing.

@@melissadunton3534 I just find the conflicts interesting, and the lack of address of the conflicts puzzling. Isaac's sureness that the child was there and then refusal to say when he was last seen by him is also consistent with Isaac being the perpetrator.

Convicted. So you must not be able to judge people very well.

Or they camped together, something happened (like maybe the grandfather accidentally ran the kid over and didn't want to be charged with negligence or anything) so the 3 family members talked and figured they could make Isaac look suspicious since he was the "odd one"

It definitely sounds like he was supposed to be the fall guy. The parents didn't know him, the grandpa barely knew him, they're claiming he can't be trusted.....but they leave him with their child, in the woods?! The whole story is so sketchy. If some random guy tags along on a family trip in the woods, why would you just even chance leaving your child with him?! The parents are so full of shit.

That was my thought aswell. Pretty nasty thing to do...

@@isitoveryet9525 what's fucked too is that Isaac claims he does know the grandfather well enough to call him a friend, and well enough to know that the grandfather always has a shovel and others things with him... Yet, the grandfather claims they aren't that close? Unfortunately, as has been previously suggested, Isaac is an easy Patsy as he was shown to have severe learning disabilities and a prior record.

Amanda Hudson That’s exactly what I think!!!!

he was only gone for an hour and there was no real place for him to go....its hte woods and hes 3. Id just be getting slighly nervous at that point, but pretty sure hed turn up.

My uncle’s house burned down in front of me and when someone in the house called to the door for me to ask what was happening outside, I very calmly turned and said ‘His house is on fire.’ I wasn’t even sure if his entire family had gotten out. People react to things in different ways. I immediately went into shock and there are a hundred different other ways it could’ve gone. (Whole family got out just fine minus one small dog :( )

@scorch428 “only” an hour??? Are you fucking kidding me??? If your toddler was lost in the fucking woods for an hour you would only be “getting slightly nervous “at that point?! Holy shit I *really* hope you’re not a parent b/c you don’t have a damn clue!!

Scorch428 if my son gets out of my sight for a few minutes I’m freaking. If my son was near the woods and wasn’t seen or five minutes, let alone a hour, I’d be screaming. I’d be hard to understand on the phone to 911 because I would have just spent ten minutes running in the woods myself trying to find my son, panicking.

Scorch428 No real place for him to go? It’s the woods dude, there’s no shortage of place to go, including into some wild animal’s territory. Any parent would freak out after 5 minutes of your kid being lost in the woods, probably even less!

Sayerdify I’m not saying she’s innocent (or not) - but I don’t see how nearly 4 ½ years is soon

Brenda Paduch - She got married less than a year after little Deorr disappeared.

He definitely was the scapegoat

How are any of them guilty when they were all there with the child and a massive search was launched?? If one of them did it, where would he hide the body??? They searched everywhere. Imo, a mountain lion got him, and took his body up a tree or up some high rocks, as they do with their kills.

@@Scorch428 At some point, they split up so anyone of them or even an opportunistic stranger could be guilty.There's plenty of places to hide a body in the wilderness too. Especially if it was pre-planned

You have to be calm on the phone to get help. Youre screamin wouldnt help at all. All people react different.

Cat ? 🙄

@@golkonda8995 my 12 year old went missing for a short time once and when I called the police I did my best to remain calm but I still had trouble talking. My breathing was irregular, my throat kept closing up, I kept having to stop. This little boys mother had hardly any emotion in her voice during that call. Nor did she ever cry during interviews.

U called 911 over a missing cat??? 😑

@@annaelisavettavonnedozza9607 she doesn't say she called 911. She said she was extremely upset. Unlike the mother of the missing boy when SHE called 911.

No-one in that family was very bright. It shouldn't be something that later dawns on you whether or not you could trust another adult who's a part of your life and who you had spend time around your infant grandson.

Actually, according to Isaac, the grandpa stayed behind to watch the boy and Isaac was showing the parents the fishing spot

He was asked if Bob would trust Isaac to watch his grandson, to which Bob IMMEDIATELY replied 'no'. When asked why have someone like that in your life, Bob replied because he stayed alert. Which was probably the case in his earlier years, and that's where his mind was when answering these questions. I still don't think Isaac did anything wrong, I don't think any of them did anything necessarily wrong. My theory is still animal predation, a cougar can be 10ft. away from you and you would never know if you weren't overtly looking for one. They also will carry their prey away, and they're clever. Very clever! I would say more so than 90% of the people claiming to have sleuthed out or solved this case, even though the FBI and Sheriff are still dumping resources into it.

@@GrimSleepy but in that case there would have been scent and blood evidence, none of which were found.

@@jediping That's likely, but not a guarantee. Such a lightweight target could potentially be swept up with little fight/effort.

I've also heard that a liar adds details and aspects over time. A truth teller will lose and forget story points without contradicting.

@purplepeach 244 lies also have to be remembered. Like did you say you were wearing blue or green trousers? What time did you say you went etc. If it was the truth you wouldn't change minor details like that

I think that this is right but I always scrutinize under what circumstances that person is being interrogated. You might be telling the truth. And they'll ask you again, and again, and again. And you'll keep saying the truth for about 6 hours. But around 8 hours, they may ask something in a certain way or pose speculation, and you're not nessecarilly agreeing with them but you consider their suggestion because you want to get this cop out of your face. Eventually that interrogator has "broken you down" not like crying in the fetal position but allowed enough doubt that his suggestions are not out of the realm of possibilities. Then when they have their foot in the door, all bets are off. That's why if i'm ever interrogated I will keep to the simplest facts. "Was it a burning popcorn smell or a electrical fire smell?" "Did his sweater have 3 stripes or 5 stripes?" People are afraid to say "I don't know" but it's perfectly reasonable to forget mundane things. I don't remember what I had for dinner two nights ago.

@@jacobjohnson914I was 'interviewed' by the French police. I went to them as the victim btw and it was for a pretty distressing (sexual) reason. I was there for eight hours non stop with two male officers, one glass of water. Next day they called me back in for the same rigmarole. Day three they sent me to a psychiatrist. What with the drive and waiting in the psych unit with very distressed patients while she took her own good time to show up that was all day of a job as well. Yes, my story checked out. They believed me. Conviction? That's a whole other story.

and also THE KILLER ALWAYS RETURNS TO THE SCENE OF THE CRIME....................

she also uses past tense about her child on the call

@@KillerQueensRyche Lol all she says is, "He was wearing..." That's a completely normal way to describe what someone you saw earlier the same day. She doesn't speak about her son in past tense.

@@amityislandchum nope if someone asked you what your child is wearing just an hour ago you would say he's wearing such and such. Its not days later. Whats changed that he is no longer wearing that? He was wearing? He's wearing.

@@bari2883 You really don't understand grammar.

@@amityislandchum no they’re right, if someone asked me what was (name) wearing before they went missing? They were/ he was wearing... It makes sense to use past tense as she couldn’t see him at that specific point in time

Do you have any insight on what your community thinks? Like are a majority of people questioning the parents story too? I'd be furious if I lived there cuz so many good people and resources were used to try to find him and it's becoming blatantly obvious he was never "missing".

GORL, you can't just drop that without more info!

I don't think the dad is involved. He's had a bad experience with 2 detectives & hired a 3rd all with the others being suspicious of him. *No One* guilty is going to want that much attention on themselves. But boy, she moved on? I'm like wtf? I couldn't even think about having the capability to feel anything for anyone at that time. I'd be so depressed & in shock. Who falls in love with someone else during this? And who'd wanna go through a divorce while still looking for your kid & dealing with all the media & accusations? Maybe....🤔 She planned it all? She could have had someone pick the kid up without grandpa noticing & go into hiding then divorce her husband. Like you saw her in the beginning but from there you only see him?

@@simonemurray1345 there have been so many if these disappearances. Should we entertain the thought that a few of them were never at their campsights too. Know what I mean.? I dont think any of them are guilty. I think a kid can own more than one camo jacket and toys.and the blood. Whose blood?

@@JenialB you took the words out of my mouth

They are great, you can go on the street, in the woods, in water.. multiple speeds.

@@MsSonali1980 the only drawback is they are only 1horse power

@@kwaddamage8286 Doesn't need more to carry a single human, though.

Love it lol

Horses are 1 pf the coolest creatures ever

I watched every video I can about this case a while ago. The only conclusion I have is the child isn't in the campground. I would like to know how this one ends!

Watching everything I can on this story the parents would have to be at the center of it. Every story they tell they lost sight of Deorr for a max of 15 mins. How would the grandpa or isaac get rid of him that fast where 100s of searchers couldn't find a shred of evidence. People forget that Isaac had no transportation because he rode with the grandpa so he wouldn't even get far enough to get rid of the boy completely. The only people that traveled far away from that campsite were the parents and absolutely no eye witness sightings of Deorr in town. The problem with that is people remember seeing jessica and the father but not her son in town

Thank you! I really appreciate that!

Same...

@@totalrata7432 Deadbug says is good, but sometimes you just want something classy like That Chapter.

I wonder if we are related then. I descend from the Bern Kunz family. :)

Give it a goo

Thats how I feel lol and it ISSSS SUCH A SAD DAY, I've watched just about ever video now, I've rewatched some lmao I love his channel more than all of them ❤

I really like this channel. You should also try coffee house crimes! Also interesting and very tasteful takes in the same genre.

I'm on my 3rd lap of all his videos hahah

Mike is truly great, love him, but check out MrBallen if you haven't already. Great story teller.

The ATTIC DWELLERS Definitely.

Probaly both high on drugs when they did kill the kid. Probably high when they concocted the camping trip to deflect the search from where they dumped the body. The next most likely scenario they could have contrived would be an alien abduction. Makes as much sense as the bs the parents are spewing.

Definitely what I was thinking too, especially because of where the blood was found. I don’t think they meant to kill their son and don’t want people to think they’re murderers. Also I don’t think they’re ready to admit it to themselves.

That's the same thing I was thinking. Blood found only on the tire. You know how kids like to move around. Thinking either the Grandfather or one of the parents was maybe backing up and didn't see him run behind the truck. Especially if he was on the passenger side. I think this is just a good a theory as any.

Did they confirm the blood evidence was human?

Amen

Karoliina poor Eyore

how do you leave such a small child unattended so close to a body of water,things happen in the blink of an eye.Always start with those closest to the child.

@@mrluigi9923 His parents murdered him

Greg Hubbard I thought the same thing. She doesn’t very upset for her little boy gone missing 😞

I didn’t even know that makes sense why he would come out with confidence and a straight face. My mom never lost me at a store or anything like that but I did see her get paranoid when I didn’t come home at 4:15 I came home at 4:20 and she called the cops screaming 😭so like no one mom would be calm and just barely shaky you would be freaking out crying and asking for your child and that you love him but we got people believing the parents didn’t do nothing that aren’t parents or had a bad relationship with their parents so it’s hard because you got people believing the lies

@@MuShROOM1911 Idk. You're experience of your mom's reaction is very different than what I have experienced as the norm. My parents have forgotten me places, and forgot to pick me up from places. Most of my friends have this experience as well. Most people I know, their parents wouldn't call the police if their child didn't come home in the time frame your mom called the cops in. And there are many different reactions to shock, grief, fear, ect. Not everyone has the same reaction as your mom. You could be right about the parents, but they could just react different than you expect.

@@little_lion_heart9850 it's just a thought but he was only 3 years old and in the wilderness with multiple dangers.

Vsure79 : Private investigator David Marshburn said his two cadaver dogs made a "hard alert" on a specific area at the camp site. The sheriff's office then brought in an independent cadaver dog, which alerted on the same area. At that point, the sheriff's office took over, closing down the campground June 28-30 2019. Marshburn was not involved in the weekend search, and county officials aren't saying whether or not the investigation had turned up any new evidence in the case.

That was totally my first thought

Or hit a dog YEARS AGO. NOBODY SAID ANYTHING about the OWNER of the BLOOD on the bumper. Are you the 🐇 RABBIT, or the headlight, will your insurance cover this? Do you have room enuff for one more breakdown! *Marilyn Manson*

Vsure79 I agree about the friend

If it was an accident, why not just tell the truth? One possibility is that maybe whoever was driving was drunk. If this was the case, even if they ran over him accidentally, it’s still homicide. So maybe they panicked and buried him? I do agree that it seems like they’ were trying to set up that guy. Who invited him anyway? And why, if they all disliked or didn’t trust him? And you’re going to leave your toddler alone with some weird guy you don’t trust around? That’s hard to believe. None of the stories make sense.

I don't think they murdered him. I think it was an accident they tried to cover up. They're idiots for even taking a 2 year old camping to begin with, let alone dressing him in camo, let alone bringing a stranger along they didn't know or trust.

Isaac has always claimed he was never left alone with the child. Isaac has always claimed he is was fishing at the time the family left, came back, and the child went missing. And his story has never changed....

My heart goes out to you and your wife, I cannot fathom what you two went through 💔 I will pray for your little beautiful angel, thank you two for remaining strong. I had my baby taken from me from false reports and I can't even handle that at all, this is month two and I still cannot sleep or stop myself from breaking down. It is nothing compared to what you and your family have gone through, but it is weird that the Deorr's would so suddenly get back into the dating scene after just losing their little boy. That's the last thing on anyone's mind when their little one is missing.

That sounds like another dispatcher talking to a different caller.

Yes I heard that. Thinking it's the husband.

I believe the 911 operator asked if her husband was calling 911 as well. I am 99% certain that I’ve seen in another video on the case that the dad was trying to dial 911 from the campsite while the mother drove up the road a bit to get cell service. It would be really interesting to find out if you can hear the husband on the 911 call because he wasn’t supposed to be close enough to his wife for her to hear him.

Kirk Bupkis lol you think a 911 operator would tell literally anyone NOT to answer anymore questions? They wouldnt tell the person on the call, they wouldnt tell another operator that. I'd say that sentence is right up there with "go ahead pull the trigger I dont care"

That's the other dispatcher in the background. Clearly a female voice, and she calls him Vernal. In a news video with the call, you can hear the dispatcher tell the husband they'll call back with any more questions because they have the mom on the phone. Same clip, just a bit more clear.

His generation are all hypocrites like that...

Yamah FrmRhondaWorld The father seems like a total A hole, the way he’s trying to tell people off, like he’s probably that shitty neighbor no one wants to deal with.

@@Scorch428 Thats the stupidest comment Ive read so far. Your ignorance is astonishing

Ehh....the mom seems way more sketchy than the dad, imo. Maybe she ran him over, or she wanted him gone? Her 911 call was odd, even if someone accidentally killed him, you'd think she'd be hysterical. I know people react differently, but lying about what he was wearing and how nonchalantly she sounded....I think she's extremely suspicious.

@@isitoveryet9525 under stress people may misremember details. Eye witness is super unreliable. Also, at that point he was only gone an hour, she probably didn't think he was murdered. I mean if that's legit what happened of course

American Made I agree 💯 % with u!

That isnt prison time for accident. Obviously they know what happended though.

Yea, from the jump they were calling it the "next Casey Anthony case". They were guilty until proven innocent with absolutely no evidence. Cool.

Thanks Joseph!

Yes! Tanks Joseph, tree hours ago💐😂

Well, on the bright side, if the intention was to pin this on Isaac, it seems to have backfired quite a bit.

The grandfather was immediately saying he would not trust him but why even bring him.