to be honest, I'd do what they did with the spectacular symbiote suit, I would have made it almost the same at first pretty much-mimicking peters suit, then slowly transforming it into a more comic-accurate one. almost as if it was trying to help gain Peter's trust by mimicking something it knew was essential to peter. 👀 only to later become something so far removed from what peter & spider-man represent.
And with the spider getting bigger and bigger representing the symbiote getting more and more control over peter. Then, when it's about to wrap around peter, Peter gets rid of the suit. But when Venom shows up, the spider is fully wrapped around, showing that Eddie and the symbiote are truly symbiotic. Sorry, we just love the spectacular spider-man.
I really loved what they did in Spectacular Spider-man in terms of Peter wearing the symbiote. When he first wore it unknowingly it was just black version of the red and blue suit. But the more Pete gets to use it, he gets angrier, and the suit evolves more to that of the Classic Black Suit. I really would love to have that kind of idea transition to live-action.
respectfully disagree with this one, the raimi black suit is so sleek and intimidating. The lack of webs and bigger logo just wouldnt look natural on this version of the costume.
Gotta disagree on this one, but I understand why you feel this way. I absolutely LOVE this costume. This is my favorite costume to show up in a Spider-Man movie besides the tasm1 suit.
I personally think they should have changed the logo but kept literally everything else that way it could still be a custom take and design while also taking slight reference to the source material. Like a perfect balance if you will.
Hard disagree, I'm 100% more of an Andrew fan, both TASM 1 and 2 suits are definitely top 3 best spiderman suits for me but, in spot 2 or 3 is the black raimi suit. I adore this suit. It's sleek and empowering in a way. The use of silver not just in the lenses but in the webbing, logo, and even the shiny brick pattern on the suit gives it this feeling that I'm not even sure how to explain. The raimi design works much better in the black suit than the red and blue in my opinion Edit 1, there are a few extra bts shots of the full black (comic accurate) suit and after seeing them, they 100,000% look like a gimp suit. It had the texture of the matte side of a trash bag and you could clearly see the seams. At first I thought it was a stupid cop-out when seeing that first picture but other pictures of it in action show it more of like what Raimi was talking about
Fair, but you can also see the seams on the black suit in the movie too. I’m not saying they should’ve used the gimp one, I just don’t like the one they use
@@amazingpsm That's understandable, I understand your points as well, the somewhat unoriginal spider logo was definitely a bummer. But, and with all due respect to the cosplayers (It takes a lot of time to make a great cosplay, trust me, I know), I have not seen a good live action full black suit. Even the new concept for the mcu black suit just looks like he's naked. The webs allow for some breaking up between parts so it doesnt just look like a naked dude that was painted black. Idk I just don't think a black suit has worked irl in my opinion and what we got was badass.
@@Gmoney_21 Disagree, I loved the Amazing Spider-Man suit. My only real gripe is that the logo sometimes blends into the webbing pattern but even then calling that something "wrong" with the suit is a bit of an overstatement. Everything worked for me, especially in the context of the film. I would say I like it more than the TASM 2 suit because it succeeded in it's changes and strayed away while still keeping the authenticity of spiderman, but I know by saying that many people would Invalidate any other arguments I pose and just be like "Aren't you the dude the liked the TASM suit"
Man, I gotta disagree here. I think the classic black suit is just too simple to directly translate to screen and have it be visually interesting. The Raimi version, while simple, is very effective and I always thought it was one of the sleekest looking live action Spidey suits. The prototype suit shown in photos kinda proves this, its just boring shiny latex. I don't think its very good at all.
@@GregKhar-NU-Metalhead2000 but they did try to use the original black suit from the comics but they couldn't get the Black rubber and materials they used looked weird or didn't fit with the theme
Thank you bro this is the most valid explanation bro It also makes sense that it would copy the original suit because the symbiote wants to make Peter trust it and keeping the same symbol wouldn’t change what his suit means to him but by completely changing the suit would make it seem that it would throw away what his original suit meaning and ignore what the symbiote would want to do
I think it's 100% fine to have spider-man and peter parker to seem like two different people, that's the point. Spider-Man is talkative and outgoing. Peter...is not. Peter is a different person when he's Spider-Man, except morally, but it's supposed to represent that Peter is entirely different. I think the Raimi suit does great at that and I believe that all 3 of the Tobey Spider-Man suits come in 2nd, 3rd, and 4th best looking on screen spidey suits (only behind the Amazing Spider-Man 2 suit) as well as the Tobey Maguire trilogy being my favorite in general.
Yeah, also a detail people overlook is that Tobey speaks in a lower register with more bravado when he's Spidey throughout the films, showing that he feels more confident as Spider-Man. So the suit perfectly illustrates the contrast perfectly.
The biggest disappointment for me is that it was treated like a regular suit more than a symbiote attached to him. He rips it off at the end, but it just felt like he could have just taken it off like he had been easily able to before, there wasn't much showing that it was leeched onto him to play up that scene further.
I completely, respectfully, disagree on this take. I always thought the classic black suit was boring. It was just black with barely any white, only the logos, eyes, and fists had any white on them. It was a terrible contrast to the Amazing classic suit. The classic black suit failed to contrast the og classic Spidey suit, and it was a boring design that could've used more color. I love the Spiderman 3 black suit, Raimi and his team made it interesting, cool, and contrasts the classic Raimi Spidey suit perfectly. As much as I still love both classic and Raimi suits, Raimi's version is more appealing. I really hope in the next Tom Holland movie, after No Way Home, they design a great classic black suit. Other than that, great video, I just disagree on your take.
@@ender01o66 I think that was a better choice, because deadpool has red In his suit, and deadpool already looks very similar to spidey. And carnage would later be red, so white was a better choice. They should have used more white tho
@@djnate1075 I mean, the original fan concept for the suit looked like that, and this was before the black widow suit existed, same with carnage however, they brought it back in absolute carnage, the big red spider logo
I created essentially the Spider-Man 3 black suit as a kid playing around with Photoshop in around 2005. I remember wanting to see what an “evil Spider-Man” would look like, and couldn’t decided if the eyes should be white or black-or how to change the eyes to black in Photoshop.
Never been so early. I'm assuming this means that your making a series for every movie suit because I need more character design content from you since I just love listening to what you think about these suits.
Personally, I think the suit we got is the way to go. A full on black suit is way too simple for live-action, and it leaves it looking like naked black body paint. This can even be seen with the mcu concept art of a black suit Tom Holland. They added like a bunch of white swirls (veins) breaking throughout the whole body, which I guess makes it look alien, but I thought the black suit was trying to disguise itself as clothing/a suit, not give away that it’s a living alien cus that’s what lead to Peter taking it off. The only change I would make to the Spider-Man 3 black suit is to give it the classic symbiote logo, but keep everything else the same.
Given how integral the raised webbing is to the image of Raimi Spidey, I can't really imagine a black suit looking right without it. He'd simply look too "naked" compared to his previous 2002 and 2004/2007 suits. That said, the fact that they still managed to give the iconic symbiote logo to Venom but not Peter is such a kick in the teeth. That general logo shape is way more iconic than any lack of webbing could be, ESPECIALLY seen from a distance. If that iconic logo was just added to the front and the back logo stayed the same (I like the Raimi black suit logo, so I'd like to keep it), then the design would feel a lot more true to the source material. Ideally, I think a good middle-ground blueprint for live-action spidey has already been established, and that would be the second black suit in the Spectacular Spider-Man show. The front logo is clearly mimicking the iconic black suit we know, the back logo is a warped version of the classic suit's, and there's still webbing to have good balancing of white to black without the design looking too naked or too busy
I don't think it needs to look even near completely accurate , if it works and is good in its own right , it's good , it was really supposed to be a new suit to Peter till the changes started becoming more clear to him , and it works well that the logo doesn't instantly change to Venom's , but changes a bit , and is changed completely till the point it gets to Eddie .
One of my favorite things about Spectacular Spider-Man was that for the venom saga of episodes it started out looking like the suit in Spider-Man 3 and then as it began to take more control, it became the suit from the comics, getting rid of a little webbing here and there and making the logo larger bit by bit, scene by scene. I just absolutely LOVE that idea, and there is NO mention of the suit changing at all, it's just visual story-telling and taking advantage of the medium of an episodic series. Plus in doing so, it's paying homage to the Raimi movies AND how it traditionally looks. Spectacular just SLAPS man.
When talking about black suit adaptations, I really like how Spectacular Spider Man's version works (would be cool to see something like that in Raimi's SM3), where at the start is a black version of the red&blue suit but as time goes on and Peter starts to get more and more affected by the symbiote the suit slowly becomes the comic accurate version
Finally someone who agrees with me. I personally have always had a problem with the raimi black suit not being comic accurate. But the suit on its own looks really cool and sleek. I just wish they pulled more from the sauce material the suit was based off of. Hopefully the MCU does the symbiote suit justice for the next trilogy.
Yeah I mostly agree. As a representation of the symbiotic suit I think it doesn’t work that well. Isolated as just “a black suit spider-man design” Though, I think it looks sleek as fuck and I really like it because of that.
It works better then the prototype shown in this video, though. Maybe just adding the symbionts symbol on the front would fix it, but going to close to the classic looks too bland and is too big of a leap from the raimi classic suit
The symbiote adapts to what you're already wearing, so it would make sense that the raised webs would be on the Black suit. It wouldn't make sense to have the white squares because Peter already has organic webbing, and the suit, for the most part, doesn't change your body's makeup but enhances it. I can agree that the spider emblem could've been made in a different way so as to look more classic, but when you break down the symbiote and suit design, it's the smartest design that fits in that universe. Whether we like it or not.
I like the idea of the Symbiote mimicking his suit, so it's not so noticable that he has an alien lifeform on him. I also love the fact that Tobey Maguire actually looked intimidating in it, (which was a huge accomplishment, lbh)
I LOVE how they used both the Raimi and original black suit designs in Spectacular Spider-Man to show his progression with the symbiote. As you said, the Raimi design is just a black red-and-blue suit (albeit a bit more menacing I think), which is cleverly made Spidey's first black suit look in Spectacular to show it hasn't drastically affected him yet; he's still the same, just with difference in appearance and power. But then as the suit starts to corrupt him you slowly see the Raimi-isms like the webbing disspear while the logo morph into the comic logo. The comic suit was seen as a drastic departure from his original back when it was introduced, so using it to show the growing shift in his character was brilliant. This utilized the Raimi suit concept insanely better and saves it for me. I wish the movie did the same. I get they wouldn't want to make multiple black costumes, but they could've had the logo at least change into the comics' logo. Also I think the silver webbing should've been made bright white, would've creating a more striking black-and-white like the comics, but I guess it wouldn't have looked good on Venom
I like how in spectacular Spider-Man the symbiote suit is just the normal suit but black, but overtime as peter’s mind gets more and more corrupted the suit transforms into the iconic one we know and love.
"This is something else." I love the Black Raimi suit tbh. As a kid i felt like it was a lazy palette swap, but the dark contrast of black fabric and the raised webbing really pops
I don't know, man. I think it's perfect for a live-action film. I really don't feel like having a comic-accurate suit would fit in live action. It's too jarring. I feel like it makes sense in a way, since the symbiote appears to be imitating the red and blue suit, whilst also representing power, with its all-black design. That's just me, though.
The problem with the Sam Raimi black suit is that they treat it like a normal suit which Peter takes off at the end. That's lazy they couldn't even bother giving Peter the symbiote logo Venom got his one
They could've just used the design for Venom but for Spider-Man, add on the Spider-Man eyes and remove the mouth and bingo, then just use a different design for Venom
@@gildedgliam6727except that wouldn't look good. Look up the prototype where they did just that, you can't sit here and tell me it looks good. It does just look like a gimp suit
@@Legion849that's how it was in the comics, the symbiont pretends to be a cloth suit and takes advantage of Peter, just like this does. I think it looking this way makes sense and works a lot better then what you're suggesting
I know this video is about the black suit, but I have a grievance about the beginning talking about the red and blue Raimi suit. So, to summarize, the Raimi suit doesn't represent Peter because he is geeky, and the Ditko suit does a better job representing this characteristic. What is it about the Raimi costume specifically that makes it not "nerdy" and what is it specifically about the Ditko costume that does make it represent Raimi Peter better? There is no actual examining done in this video to backup your opinions. Not saying it isn't a valid opinion or you shouldn't have that opinion, I'm just confused.
I honestly don't get why they didn't just use Venom's suit for Peter, but with just no mouth, and maybe stick with Peter's signature lenses for the black suit. Like they complain about it looking like a gimp suit, bet then do it anyways with Venom but with added details?
cant wait to watch you have a breakdown while dissecting the mcu’s suits😂discovered your channel literally an hour ago and watched your first raimi suit vid, then got part 2 straight away!
For the time the suit was a great look. I think we only feel comfortable going back and poking holes in the design because we've had so many other iterations that follow more closely to the comics. We have to remember that as far as the states were concerned this was the first time Spider-Man had ever been shown on the big screen. The first draft of anything is usually garbage but in Spider-Man's case it's the exact opposite... Venom was ass tho
spiderman 2 and 3 are tied in first place for me for 2 very different reasons spiderman 2 is a perfect film about stress and managing respinsibilities, it's like hell bent in doctor who, but instead of grief, it's about stress, how it can make you seem powerless, it can overwhelm your life and by the end of the movie he has it under controll, he opens up about his stress to MJ spiderman 3 is a goofy hilarious movie that has the most quotable linbes and is incredibly fun to watch, delves into the cheesyness of spiderman and makes it a fun watch, and doesn't take itself too seriously which is why TASM 2 failed, that movie took it'self way too seriously where spiderman 3 is a goofy movie and became a silly movie, but still has mature themes in it and the sandman scene too
I think you'd have liked to see something like the Lotus suit for Tobey. That retains some of the qualities of the Raimi suit while being far morr Ditko. I imagine it'd suit him very well
@@malikmoss5519 Are you criticizing that suit just because of Lotus' crew members being involved in racism? Then the way of your criticism is incorrect. The 1967 Hammond suit is worse than the Lotus one.
Idk, i like this suit. I like both of them. The way i look at it, is as if the suit has a mind of its own and copies his suit to change into something that peter can recognise and doesn't want to scare him or make peter think that the symbiote is a threat to him. Because the goal of the symbiote is to stay bonded as long as possible with his host after all.
Finally someone had the balls to say it, and I agree. I get Rami's reasoning for it was aliens don't have fashion sense, but this is a fucking comic movie 😅
You could also argue that the reason it's so menacing IS that Peter Parker is geeky. Or that it reflects him trying to feel "strong" as someone who's been stepped on and bullied his whole life, I or anyone else could go way more in depth on that idea but you get my general point. That's what I like to think, at least.
Bro finally someone who agrees with me on this. All the Raimi trilogy stans keep saying it's so beautiful. Just having a splash of black paint on the suit overall lessens the impact of the symbiote taking Peter.
I love how once the symbiote bonded to Eddie Brock, the spider logo changed to become venom's Signature logo and retain the webbing around the suit, like how I always thought of what venom is, a twisted version of spider-man, people give venom crap for not being a big and muscular, though I do think they could have made him slightly beefier, I liked his design nonetheless.
Dude i dont care about your opinion, the raimis spiderman black suit was awsome and beautiful! I‘m so happy that the design is how it is on the raimi spiderman black suit.
Well considering how Venom was originally never meant to be in Spider-Man 3, it makes total sense how the black suit was just, colorless original suit.
You have to understand they didn't just go for the classic black suit, not only because it looked like a porn suit, it also was because it was to hard to see at night scenes so its reasonable why the crew didn't go for that directions. But if i have to redesign it, i would just keep the Raimi black suit just as it is, but replacing the front spider logo with the classic big Venom emblem and keeping the spider logo on the back.
I love the raimi black suit, so obviously people are entitled to their own opinions, but you also gotta keep in mind that Sam raimi didn’t know anything about venom nor did he like the character and was forced to put him in the movie which when he did it didn’t come out so well to lots of Spider-Man fans which is probably the reason we don’t have a Spider-Man 4
as somebody who grew up with these movies, but not the comics... I used to think this was a cooler concept. It feels like the symbiote actually just covers HIS suit & turns it black
i disagree..... for me raimi black suit is the coolest and badass suit ever in the spiderman history. the raimi design works so well in black suit . that agressive spiderman symbol on his chest is freeking cool
yeah its ur personal choice and i see why u dont like it but for me i like it. i wished tho in spiderman 3 the black suit design would change over time as it started to corrupt more and more of peter. (like in the spectacular spiderman series) it would start from the webed black suit but by the end of the movie it would look completely different with no webs a more aggressive eyes and a giant spider logo with the black being jet black with a glossy blue texture that would reflect in light.
Honestly I think part of why it was so similar to the standard suit was probably so they could cut costs producing it. The suit was really only in 3 scenes tops in the theatrical cut.
Totally agree, Everyone seems to disagree with you, but the suit used isnt the ICONIC SYMBIOTE SUIT, its a totally different design so it cant be compared to the comics
I honestly think the Black suit in the Raimi trilogy works for it’s universe. Keeping the web pattern from the og costume was a neat idea and that it leads to a “corrupted/messy” web pattern on Venom was a cool and original touch. But, even as a kid, I wondered why they couldn’t at least still give him a more accurate logo: make it larger, white, and the legs stretched outwards.
Well, the goo literally covers him while he’s in costume! If you look at like that… keep in mind… the symbiotie doesn’t want to be outed …. So it takes the shape of one of Spidey’s suites…, in secret wars … soidey’s suit was wrecked and the symbiotie took images of spider woman from Parker’s brain…, in this version… the symbiotie just mimicks the look of spidey’s suit . It’s more inconspicuous
i agree, its literally everyone's favourite suit and it pisses me off, just grab your raimi suit and dip a black paint bucket on it, give it a different logo and boom, its such a lazy suit.
See if the red and blue costume just had black webbing to begin with and the black suit had the sliver webbing I would like it more, but since they both have sliver webbing it makes looks like they didn’t try and just said forget it. I do like how venom looks in the movie though.
