The disastrous redesign of Pakistan’s rivers

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British colonizers created a massive canal system in Pakistan - and helped cause the country’s deadly water crisis.
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In late summer of 2022, Pakistan experienced a devastating flooding event. An unusually severe monsoon season induced by climate change resulted in a third of the country being covered with water. Over 1,600 lives were lost, and water took months to drain out of lower-lying regions of the country, causing disease and displacement.
On the flip side, Pakistan is among the most water-scarce countries in the world - expected to reach absolute water scarcity by 2025 if nothing changes. You can’t remove climate change from this equation, but an overlooked factor is the role that British engineering played in building water infrastructure along the Indus River and its tributaries, Pakistan’s sole source of surface water.
A series of perennial canals, dam-like structures called barrages, and embankments were built to extract as much water from the Indus as possible and convert much of Pakistan’s arid landscape into farmland. But this water infrastructure exacerbates the destruction of flooding events and creates a hierarchical system along the canals in terms of water access.
In our video, we explain the design of this water infrastructure and how Pakistan’s colonial past has made the country’s relationship with water even more precarious.
Daanish Mustafa, who we interviewed for this video, co-authored a report on Pakistan’s water crisis:
www.usip.org/publications/201...
We recommend The Juggernaut’s reporting on the legacy of dams in Pakistan:
www.thejuggernaut.com/pakista...
For more context on how Pakistan bears the brunt of the effects of climate change:
www.theatlantic.com/internati...
We interview David Gilmartin for this story, who authored a book on the history of water engineering in the Indus basin:
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@juusan8078 Год назад

As a hydrologist and water resource engineer, this really hits close to me. Most of the time, we engineers understand the problem/s and can always produce holistic solutions to water resource management. But unfortunately, we always hit the wall of politics, bureaucracy, corruption, and uninformed decision-makers. I really wish we experts can really have the final say on matters of water resource management. I wish everyone especially politicians can understand that water doesn't care about your politics, religion, or affiliation. We must always remember that "we all live downstream".

@theastuteangler9642 Год назад

You keep using this word "always". I dont think it means what you think it means.

@puraLusa Год назад

@Zaydan Alfariz u have a point. But I think he is referring more to efficiency and improvement of the sistem, plus more safety and regulation (technical stuff) as opposed to more of the same sistem. Meaning, maintenance and improvement as opposed of adding on.

@puraLusa Год назад

@Zaydan Alfariz ya, having a bit more control in family planing would help, but I don't think pak is ready for that due to religious leaders position about that.

@puraLusa Год назад

@Zaydan Alfariz I know, it's why I think it would only be possible as something thru the state and for free. But not all societies are open for it, it ends up as a political discussion of back and forward with name calling and emotions running high as opposed of a national projects for the future. Very difficult situation. And other places the demographics are going the opposite direction 🤷‍♀️

@huhulalammm Год назад

sometimes you "experts" are the ones who commit the most corruption. you keep talking about engineers wanting to take holistic approach but when it comes to data collection, talking to the root level people, engineer supervisors just overlook them, play favorite, either prolong the projects or shorten the projects unnecessarily. at least i have been on enough projects to know this. sometimes experts just transfer the blame on decision makers or politicians and play victim. it is getting annoying really.

@baggern Год назад

but wouldn't rolling back the "modern" irrigation systems mean also going back to subsistence farming + fewer people being able to be sustained by pakistans acres?

@uncertaintyunravelled8273 Год назад

The issue is that the modern method is short sighted.

@RK-cj4oc Год назад

Yes. but Pakistans area simply is not capable of sustaining over 200 million people. Pakistani's simply should have less childeren.

@Aoderic Год назад

Yes, so they shouldn't go from one extreme to the opposite extreme.

@kiruthikpranav5047 Год назад

And that is really scary. The choice of what to sacrifice always deters people from making the choice.

@ydid687 Год назад

hydroponics (if there's a political will there is a way)

@harisasif2 Год назад

As a Pakistan citizen living in Lahore, this really is very concerning but our army, corrupt govt officers and politicians don't even care a bit about the future generations, they have created a negative economic and political environment on purpose so that there power remains intact, while the major issues like climate change, water scarcity and economic growth and development are getting neglected

@samindherreddy Год назад

Abhee ambend karne me kuch nahi atha ladna hoga Pakistan future ki bath he

@factoshala1487 Год назад

what army has to do with this?

@kaustubhraizada Год назад

@@factoshala1487 army destabilize every pak gov in history no democratic gov in Pakistan has ever completed its term 🤣

@shaheer_04 Год назад

@@kaustubhraizada Democratic governments have, indeed, completed their terms. Check again. You're talking about Prime Ministers.

@Aryanthakur-yt9bc Год назад

@@shaheer_04 Pakistan democracy you're joking right?

@poni3367 Год назад

The first 6 minutes were focussed on colonialists deteriorating the land for money/power and the fact that an independent Pakistan significantly ramped up the canal system over 30-40 years was glossed over in 20 seconds

@tsundoku1682 Год назад

That’s VOX for you, my friend

@Vatsalya17 Год назад

Point being?

@poni3367 Год назад

@@Vatsalya17 just a comment on what I saw

@keferwtf Год назад

Although they are right on a number of issues they do love blaming the west for everything 😂

@JamEngulfer Год назад

Someone made a good point that it’s not necessarily a colonialist mindset, but an industrialist one. Which explains to an extent why it’s continued long after the era of active colonialism.

@moritzl7065 Год назад

If I understand this video correctly, the population explosion of Pakistan is directly related to the engineering of the Indus (makes sense, more agriculture = more food = more people). But that means you can't revert to "indigenous knowledge" as their engineering was designed for a much smaller population. The thing I took away from this video is that just like with the world as a whole, the country over-engineered its way to an unsustainable state, and cannot reverse it now.

@ano_nym Год назад

Yeah, they always do these things. Celebrate the old indigenous ways, then ignoring the current population numbers. Sure it works if you want the old Ted route, but these people often doesn't want that either.

@sarahwatts7152 Год назад

I agree; however the system could be engineered to benefit the environment and the people who depend on it, it would first have to figure out how to feed all the people who are reliant on the land. I'm just not sure how you would do that 'old school,' while acknowledging that the 'new school' should have been sitting at the back of the class the whole time

@siddharthkhandelwal3161 Год назад

Spot on. It’s very easy to stay “stick to indigenous systems”. In India, we have our own issue of poorly developed towns and cities on the Himalayas which will bite back sooner than later The solution was to either control population or incentivise mass migration to the plains in order to maintain ecological balance In this case, Pakistan has 0 option but to rely on engineering to feed a dramatic rise in population across the nation The bigger mistake was the approval of wrong projects designed by corrupt and incompetent stakeholders

@mohammedkhaliq1475 Год назад

It’s not that simple, you can’t learn everything about everything about such a complicated problem in a short video. One major factor they didn’t even mention in the video is the problem with India. The Indus River originates from the Himalayan mountains and India who also has a massive population wants the water for their own needs. They’ve built dams and have diverted the flow of water to their territory which means less water for the people of Pakistan. Population growth + less water for farming = disaster.

@dundundun7215 Год назад

It will not be impossible to mend our infrastructure and economics in a way that can revert us back to a sustainable way of living. As such the solutions given in the video are not saying to go back to the old way of living rather integrate the historical and environmental knowledge about the region into our social and infrastructure policy as well. You know, don't just give space to the upper class and elites to speak, let other folks speak as well that are not bringing a coloialist mindset, rather a more indiginous one. And it is also important to note that the population boom in the region is also socially engineered. Contraceptives and birth control and managment are vehemently opposed by the religiously extremist factions within the region. Islam, another foreign gift to the land makes its marks on the country and make certain changes and development in the country almost impossible

@ymi_yugy3133 Год назад

The criticism of British colonialism are of course valid, but relying on 150 year old traditional knowledge and trying to turn back to a "natural" state of things is unlikely to yield satisfactory results. Water-engineering drastically increased the amount of farmable land, that is now needed to feed Pakistan's vastly larger population. The struggle over grain exports from Ukraine and Russia have shown how dangerous an over reliance on food imports can be particularly for poorer countries. With Pakistan's economy reliant on agriculture, there is also the risk of an economic crisis, that could have similarly severe impacts as some of these natural disasters. Building a water management system with the modest means of a developing economy that equitably provides enough water to irrigate enough land to feed people in a world that is plagued by ever more extreme weather events, seems like a task with impossible constraints. With no clear solution in sight, arguments against the proposed solution need to be more substantial than "it's unnatural and the British came up with it".

@tubester4567 Год назад

I agree. Its kind of funny how they pretend pre-colonial Pakistanis(Indians) had it all figured out when millions of people regularly died from famine and floods before the British arrived. .

@crackedemerald4930 Год назад

I'd like to believe we went a long way since then, and the British weren't building the irrigation system to be equitable in the first place.

@anandisrocking007 Год назад

I am also indian and ya the British did bad thing it's about time people and politicians stop use them as an excuse of their incompitance and also this is not colonial mindset but industrial mindset and the first industrial countries just happened to be the colonial countries.

@St3v3NWL Год назад

No it is invalid. They are already on their own for almost 100 years, the fault is on them

@kkkk25yearsago79 Год назад

this Isn't Britsh fault She proposed indigenous solution What indigenous 😂

@Moosa_Says Год назад

I'm Pakistani and I'm telling you, The canals and Dams aren't the issues, the issue is mismanagement and actually not modernizing this almost century-old irrigation system!!

@ACreative_name Год назад

It was less miss management and more of climate change

@ArbazAbid Год назад

@@ACreative_name exactly. we can't run out nature

@naintarabatool1150 Год назад

That's not true. It's the Force of the nature

@afrazamjad1644 Год назад

@@naintarabatool1150 Yes an Unprepared Country because of Corrupt Rulers, Generals for an otherwise almost always Vulnerable to Climatic Changes

@phylicia595 Год назад

You're right Goat herders run Pakistan

@szymonpifczyk Год назад

What a strange video! Super interesting on the history and hydrology part but so visibly wrong on the social commentary. From what I gather, the British started to build a canal system in the early 1900s and independent Pakistan continued similar projects to make a desert fertile. Then a hundred years later a number of unfortunate events at the same time culminate in a massive flood with 1,600 casualties. Tragic indeed. But the proposed alternative, which seems to be "dismantle the colonial canal system and go back to indigenous methods of managing water", basically means to go back to a state in which Pakistan is able to sustain maybe 10 or 20 millions of people tops - not the 230 million it has today. So instead of 1600 casualties over 100 years, you'll have more than 200 million casualties and constant hunger (because an average woman in Pakistan has a few children).

@masoodjalal1152 Год назад

You summed it up briefly and perfectly.

@jensholm5759 Год назад

People often forget there are more Pakistanis then ever. So more food might be one of the reaosns.

@liamdavis2387 Год назад

Exactly. The British canals seem to have been very effective and beneficial. It was only after Pakistan became independent and pushed the system beyond its limits by trying to make it support 5x as many people

@jensholm5759 Год назад

Thats tight.But we also dont know if the britts had that building out plans too.

@shoppedout Год назад

Exactly ! I am not sure what the "purpose" of this video is... it poses a problem and no real solution... and leaves the viewer to imply that Pakistan should not build more dams... so really a strange video

@rikulappi9664 Год назад

The problem seems to be bad engineering rather than over-engineering. Good governance could fix past mistakes if there were the political will to keep selfish interest groups in check.

@mankytoes Год назад

Agreed, the final argument seems to follow the "appeal to nature" fallacy. Of course all groups should be consulted and listened to, but you shouldn't just discard the idea of engineering solutions.

@Lucas-vd2gx Год назад

I don't beleive it is bad engineering, it is a project almost 100 years old still standing and working fully. The problem here is corruption and decision-makers that do not care about who live there. Not to mention Politics and Bureaucracy. It is the government's fault what is happening.

@kukulroukul4698 Год назад

monsoons are no joke either!

@hoos3014 Год назад

In this case, over-engineering seems to be an accurate description of the problem. Not unlike what the US has done to the bayou in Louisiana.

@abhijitpanda524 Год назад

Pakistani politics is really unstable No cilivian govt. has completed their full term yet in their 75yrs of history, Military is too powerful who can throw civil govt. out whenever they want.

@KenMathis1 Год назад

This videos appears to be conflating two separate issues, inequality of water access and engineering water pathways to capture more water. While the two have been historically linked, they don't have to be. You could still engineer the water pathways, and be more equitable with water distribution and access. The problem is that it appears that the engineering is necessary to support Pakistan's population. They can't just go back letting the rivers flow wherever nature takes them. Also while damming up the rivers has reduced flow and allowed salt water to destroy previously farmable land, that has to be put into the context of how much more land was created that could support agriculture. My guess is that the latter is a lot more than the former. Again, there is the inequality issue of who gets the new land and who gets their land destroyed, but that's a separate issue that can be remedied while keeping the engineering.

@VivekPatel-ze6jy Год назад

I get your point, and it's a video that should be 25 minutes instead of 10, to fully convey this

@as0482 Год назад

@@VivekPatel-ze6jy Seriously, these people should have primarily consulted experienced water resource engineers and given secondary priority to environmental experts for this topic. The primary issue that caused the greatest amount of harm here is wrongful engineering meant to promote inequality started by a colonial government and then continued by the independent nation for the benefit of the Punjab region's ruling class to the detriment of overall economic prosperity and the wealth of the other provinces of Pakistan. There is a common thread of short-sighted disregard for the other regions of that nation for the benefit of Punjab by the ruling class, which, absolutely coincidentally, is dominated by wealthy politicians from Punjab. They could have made that a real point rather than a focus on "indigenous knowledge" that is already moot and largely lost due to the, as mentioned in the video, 150 year old legacy of Western water systems. The independent nation inherited very expensive and massively successful infrastructure from British rule which they could have easily redesigned to be far more resistant to floods, prevented ecological erosion, and reduce inequality. This could have been rather easily funded by the massive amounts of money that they gained from selling the cash crops that this system enables, if they hadn't squandered that money on corruption, terrorism and wars.

@ibrahim-sj2cr Год назад

the video talks about historical usage and current problems and the bad colonial mindset of pakistan but offer zero solutions. this is the type of conversation id expect from a tea stand or a paan shop not cambridge university proffessor.

@KenMathis1 Год назад

@@ibrahim-sj2cr There is no issue with pointing out a problem. The first step in solving a problem is identifying it. You don't have to know how to fix something to know something is wrong. The real issue is that by conflating engineering and inequality, they don't correctly identify the problem. The engineering might have some negative side effects, but was necessary. Either the dams were built or millions would have died. Complaining about the dams is like complaining about the invention of cars because of car crashes. Btw the video does propose solutions. Specifically it says "preventing more development in floodplains" and "clearing out obstructions to drainage pathways" should be done. This is sound advice for the flooding issue, whose main cause is people living where it floods. Inequality on the other hand is a separate political issue. The dams magnified that problem, but are not the root cause of it. This video incorrectly makes it seem like they are the problem and were some kind of evil imposed on Pakistan. However the country couldn't support the 200+ million people today without them.

@majlada Год назад

@@ibrahim-sj2cr This is a short-form video with stop-motion visuals to accompany what is being said. If you wanted a comprehensive overview of more potential solution, it'd be a lecture or an interview with a panel of experts that would be at least an hour long. Not to mention, if you wanted "the type of conversetion one expects from a Cambridge professor", you'd probably have to have at least some background in water resource engineering.

@jasonquigley2633 Год назад

The video implies that the solution to Pakistan's water problems is to revert to pre-industrial agricultural and water control methods. This is all well and good if you're willing to accept a pre-industrial standard of living and population (as the video notes, pre-industrial pakistan's population was a 5th what it is today). Switching to subsistence farming is not the only solution, They could instead invest in better and less corrupt water engineering. Most countries around the world have professional civil and hydro engineers who spend great effort to manage the water systems to prevent flooding and provide further irrigation, and in the vast majority of cases they are successful. The solution for Pakistan is to better manage their water resources and establish an apolitical body to maintain them. This has been the job of governments for millennia. I believe the scale of the damage Pakistan's floods have caused will provide sufficient political will to establish proper, professional, apolitical and holistic management of the country's rivers.

@MrBoliao98 Год назад

The woman is cheap to not recognise how those very canals is the reason Pakistan has 200 Million people.

@xianxiaemperor1438 Год назад

'Exactly, ''b-b-but degrowth hurr durr'' this can only work for already wealthy global north countries, not for relatively poor/struggling global south countries...

@clmBerserker Год назад

@@xianxiaemperor1438 It would still be the same problem in any rich nation. But acusing industrialism as the problem and saying that going back to indiginous solution would help is magical thinking. The problem would persist. The method she wants wouldent stop the tragedy of the commons to occur. In rich nations as far as I know the only salution, has been either limit access and/or more common selling the access, neither of these solutions would favour the people who are poor.

@xianxiaemperor1438 Год назад

@@clmBerserker yeah

@umairusman Год назад

I agree. The video makes a horrible point, implying that the irrigation system itself was the problem. What does VOX expect us to do? Do away with irrigation and water management systems? Also the cause of the flooding becoming worse was also due to not enough water management, not the other way round. VOX doesn't even discuss the lack of rainwater reservoirs which have become a big issue here . I don't understand the point of the video

@manoj4730 Год назад

Without talking about Indus water treaty this video is incomplete

@dansouthlondon9873 Год назад

Yeah, it's a completely Western idea to artificially redirect water. That's why the first known instances of irrigation took place in Iran, India and Mesopotamia.

@AtharvaAgarwal Год назад

It's not in ancient and mediaeval india. Rulers were used to make embankment,dams,lakes. Channels for flood water to irrigation. But this was not for selfish reason and was in limits. But britain exploited indian subcontinent's rivers to meet britain food demands because britain wasnt self sufficient in agriculture. This also lead to population boom in indian subcontinent

@SpartanForces117 Год назад

Yeah.. that comment that it is a „western“ idea sounds awefully racist. This idea was used by various cultures around the globe during humans history.. often flavoured with at least a hint of explotation. And britain is not there anymore. The initial system is bad as it was used for social engineering and exploitation back then.. but it was not them that expanded it and made the situation so bad that it created these situations now. If you want to blame the brits, make a seperate video about it, there are enough stories. A blindspot in regards to exploitation in our days

@bertbarnhoorn Год назад

And Egypt with the Nile!

@earth2k66 Год назад

Indian, Chinese, and Egyptian farmers and kings were building Channels and Reservoirs since ancient times. It's just your problem that you guys are made to live in the Arabian desert.

@himanv Год назад

@@AtharvaAgarwal Look up India's population figures as a proportion to world population. Historic India (meaning including Paxtan/Bangladesh) has almost always accounted for around 20% of global population. Besides, more than enough suitable agricultural land existed along the Indo-Gangetic Plain for the U.K. to import all its grain needs. It was forcing to grow cotton and indigo, in fact, for raw materials for its mills in Manchester. Problem is a calcified mindset. This is true in present day Indian Punjab area also-- farming landlords got too used to free water, free electricity, and high fixed prices for their produce without ever having to compete, to be efficient. The result is desertification and sinking of the water table, but still the "farmers" aren't waking up to smell the coffee. Populist governments are also to blame, including the current one in the state and at the centre.

@Doping1234 Год назад

If VOX thinks the traditional water management solutions are so awesome they should also provide some analysis on how this would affect total agricultural output. I'd guess it would lower, otherwise the british wouldn't have bothered with the canals. But it's easy to advertise traditionalist agricultural practices if you are not the one having to live with the results.

@rhysduncan8676 Год назад

Why do you think the British got it right? They got quite a long wrong in a lot of places (e.g. country borders) so why couldn't this be wrong?

@Mer1912 Год назад

@@rhysduncan8676ritish had good technology, and helped improve agriculture. They messed with borders, but that’s different. The borders turned out bad because they grouped people together who didn’t like each other, spoke different languages, or practiced different religions. These weren’t always the cases, but that’s pretty much what happened to Africa. India and Pakistan are a different story

@lordofthepies Год назад

@@rhysduncan8676 that's a false dichotomy. You can be good at building irrigation and be pisspoor at dividing land at the same time. And we know the irrigation worked because Britain turned the area into a cash cow while being a detriment to the local populace

@ROBLOXGamingDavid Год назад

@@lordofthepies there are a lot of things the British had done over the years and centuries. It had both positive and negative impacts on their colonies and across the world (in some extent), despite all the controversies and the colonial past (sadly, given how the reputation on the British government just went down, they just seen those as a joke these days).

@DevKulkarni Год назад

@@rhysduncan8676 You are right Brits might not have gotten it right. Because in another video another colonial power also tried to build the Panama canal by digging Panamanian hills to sea level. But the more significant point he/she's trying to make is there are modern and nonintrusive methods now to solve this vs. building massive dams, which need not be traditional. because if "traditional" methods were so good why would anyone have attempted to change them?

@imranhoosenally8628 Год назад

It is important to note that there were no flooding issues during British rule with the fist major floods being in 1950, today's issue comes from Pakistan's mismanagement and poorly thought through expansion of the system.

@KingMinos316 2 дня назад

but muh colonialism!

@terramater Год назад

The water crisis is definitely a critical topic. Our crew analysed the current situation at the River Nile. Egyptian farmers along the River Nile banks have long relied on this legendary water source for their way of life. But now the river is drying up, turning the traditional way of life into a struggle. While more efficient irrigation and planting systems might be one solution, wider geopolitical issues are also affecting livelihoods all along the river. We're hoping to see positive solutions to the problematic water conflicts we're seeing nowadays.

@Just_A_Guy_Here. Год назад

I'm your 100th liker here & bye.

@harisraja2931 Год назад

It's sad to see the once so-called "largest canal irrigation system" go down the drain all due to lack of long term planning by the government.

@pingshien91 Год назад

i see what you did there

@threethrushes Год назад

Throwing the baby out with the bath water, I may add.

@qurratulainzehra8760 Год назад

Endian ☕

@sudhanshusharma-ns5on Год назад

@@qurratulainzehra8760 what that really is a issue pakistan need to evolve

@untitled6391 Год назад

@@qurratulainzehra8760 P3doworshipper 🛐🛐🤲🤲

@aatirehrarsiddiqui8894 Год назад

What does not seem to be clear is that if this "colonial" irrigation system was to be dismantled, would it not have severe repercussions of its own? I think this it is too simplistic to say it's the fault of colonial mindset or colonial practice or over-engineering. The solution probably lies somewhere between sustainable engineering solutions, enforcing flood management related plans and in my humble opinion most importantly arresting the mind-boggling growth of population in Pakistan.

@kaitlyn__L Год назад

I don’t think the video is proposing instant wholesale dismantling, but rather a slow reworking of the entire system. That doesn’t necessarily mean no canals, but it means having a different methodology

@aatirehrarsiddiqui8894 Год назад

@@kaitlyn__L and what is that different methodology? Care to elaborate? I just heard alot of sound bites. Nothing concrete.

@oteragard8077 Год назад

@@aatirehrarsiddiqui8894 I was staring at this like... "don't engineer the river" ...surely now is when we actually need to engineer the river

@guptaamey Год назад

Isn't the problem just corruption and poor water cycle management? If artificial lanes are constructed to guide water back into the Indus River and wealthy landowners are restricted from cutting embankments, that should reduce downstream floods and level out water flow. Of course there are external factors (I.e. shifting climate patterns due to climate change) so droughts may still increase, but this seems like the most straightforward solution to reduce their intensity. Also Population Control sounds like a bad idea - I can't think of a single successful example that didn't involve catastrophic violence.

@thanhavictus Год назад

The answer is yeoman farming

@roland9367 Год назад

In 2012, like many years, there were also massive floods. We were driving through the area. The roads are embankments, they are the high point. So lots of poor people who lost everything were just sitting there on the roads. It was heart-wrenching to see. As far as you could look there was water.

@fabrilabcommunications4305 Год назад

A fairly bizarre take. The lack of gratitude toward the hard working souls that created these systems is Jarring. Hopefully this type of story telling has an expiry date, and we can get back to appreciating progress for the blessing that it actually is.

@nikulvyas4987 Год назад

As one wise man said, "Pakistan is not a poor country, it's a highly mismanaged country.."

@lawrenceweston922 Год назад

True

@summeraahmad5758 Год назад

Srrsly underrated comment

@jaybendre7906 Год назад

As an Indian i agree with this statement. When we both got independence, Pakistan had higher GDP , higher literacy rate , greater agricultural productivity.... But the path of military rule , communalism, radicalisation destroyed your bright future. I agree democracy has numerous flaws but in the end we are able to change governments that we like.

@lawrenceweston922 Год назад

@@jaybendre7906 Communalism is more rampant under Modi, we’re headed in the right direction in that regard … India isn’t.

@mmehta7767 Год назад

I won't say mismanaged, but it runs on sentiments rather than logic, and sentiments don't have synergy in them.This is the main reason why the general public got played every time by their leaders. 90% pakistani thinks kashmir as their primary issue rather than their internal turmoils. They have wasted every global platform presence until now, in the name of kashmir, instead of highlighting the crisis the country is facing. In davos Economic forumn where every country reps were highlighting the growth opportunities in their country and seeking for investments , pak fm's main objective was still kashmir. By this, who will take them seriously .

@teoengchin Год назад

If VOX really wanted to understand the issues, they would have interviewed a Hydrologist. You wouldn't do a story about heart attacks without interviewing a cardiologist right?

@Rialagma Год назад

The conclusion being "you need to listen to indigenous ways of management" is a bit intellectually insulting. All those people still need farmland to grow food and sustain a population, you can't just "go back".

@thedamnedatheist Год назад

@Zaydan Alfariz aren you sure you have the right video?

@SJokes Год назад

@Zaydan Alfariz You just had to find a way to talk about indonesia hmm

@chingfool-no-matter Год назад

@Richard Agreed. British gov only started to build a few. Then the independent Pakistan gov kept building more like carzy. 6:02 Whatever measure, indigenious or modern, will break when it is taken to the extreme..

@0deepak Год назад

@Zaydan Alfariz I mean Pak unis discredit themselves. UK unis are world class, let's not compare them.

@62056747 Год назад

Being a Pakistani and also part of Govt. Irrigation department I think this video covers only half a truth. The land irrigated by this system is livelihood of hundreds of millions of people ,apart from politics and governance issues this system needed upgradation which is not possible due to lack of funds,the floods are result of unusual climate change and encroachments along river basins, and at some places due to inadequate drainage facilities.

@williamthebonquerer9181 Год назад

I love how the thesis for this video is Pakistans water policies are a continuation of colonialism and the experts you interview on this reside in the uk

@fairylesbyaintdve6536 Год назад

Ever heard of brain drain?

@griffincontracting Год назад

Framing this as a problem of colonialism, that can only be solved with local/indigenous answers is a bit...odd. Engineering and science are absolutely what is needed. Evidence-based solutions.

@kylefisher1458 Год назад

local/indigenous answers won't feed and employ 120 million people

@beerenmusli8220 Год назад

Except the implication does really say that? It says water should be manage *like* with indigenous techniques, divereting floodwater rather than perenial water. Not that 100% indigeenous solutions should be used.

@jihadahmed9568 Год назад

i laughed and then cried when i read evidence based solutions. Trust me, there is no person competent enough in our government to make up evidence-based solutions, they're too busy in doing their own politics and corrupting the system. We're just going by. Only just and i dont know how

@veggiedisease123 Год назад

@@beerenmusli8220 Even that would drastically reduce agricultural productivity and lead to an over-dependence on food imports or regular famines.

@beerenmusli8220 Год назад

@@veggiedisease123 And you say that based on which Data, exactly?

@goata007 Год назад

As a Pakistani, who understands this issue and the politics involved, I find this documentary mostly wrong. Don't have time to correct all the info but for a start, the key reason for building Dams and Barrages is that Indus river gets its water from Glacier ice melting. This happens in late spring, summer and early autumn, so Dams and barrages help store massive amount of fresh water that is needed for agriculture and people, throughout the year. If it weren't for the dams/barrages then Indus river would be dry during periods of no glacier ice melting (i.e. many months)

@daviga1 Год назад

Thank you for sharing this!

@lorenzopassero8509 Год назад

Pfff, as if they're gonna listen to you. In their minds, anything that came out of countries that have been at some point in history colonial powers is wrong. So, while they live in Europe or houses with very Western-commodities, the rest of the Pakistani, the Indians, the Kenyans, the Indonesians, the Peruvians... can easily starve waiting for their scifi solutions. Anticolonialism yay, but for them? Nay

@Bonedagi Год назад

That was alll mentioned in the video. It explained that the dams and barrages allowed people to access water more easily, but created problems that were described in the video.

@Alusnovalotus Год назад

Then why is the country suffering so much more with the man made dams than before? We can argue about the causes here all day yet the results are still happening and will continue to ruin Pakistan. 😞

@dundundun7215 Год назад

You're getting the problem wrong as well, while barrages and dams help irrigate the upper regions of the country. The blockage of the free flow of the water means that the indus river delta is drying up and saltwater is moving upwards in the country and the lower areas are drying/turning saline basically. We also need to start thinking about proper drainage and water flow that doesn't affect the ground water chemistry. Basically you can't be greedy and store all the water

@twosinister Год назад

I'm Pakistani Canadian but I feel like you should stop blaming British Colonialism for all the problems smh

@adamradford3480 6 месяцев назад

When the British Raj established direct British rule, the area that is now Pakistan had a population of 15 million. By 1947, it was 34 million. Now, it's 230 million By 2100, it will be 475 million. Natural water management strategies that worked for 15 million (with a life expectancy of less than 26 years) will not work for a population of nearly half a billion people with a life expectancy 3 times as long. Not to mention the fact that hydro power currently provides 25% of Pakistan's electricity. It is easy for these academics (comfortably sat in London) to label Pakistan's wish to use hard engineering solutions to try and meet this challenge as 'continuing the colonial mindset' rather than offering viable alternatives, or telling us what the human cost would be to dismantling the infrastructure. From where I'm sat, it isn't simply a case of 'continuing the colonial mindset', but it is about meeting the needs of hundreds of millions of people who deserve water, electricity, and prosperity. The issue (imo) is how any infrastructure can increase inequalities or lead to direct suffering of some, and that these should be managed to maximimse the benefits for all Pakistanis.

@emani2704 Год назад

Bangladesh has worst case river related scenario than Pakistan. But Bangladesh took the matter in it's own hand and started fixing it's problem one by one instead of blaming British for something which happened 70 to 150 years ago. For how long Pakistan going to blame their colonial past?

@MattioBinotto Год назад

You need a stable government,freedom and money pakistan doesnt have any and this flood is certainly not helping

@cometmoon4485 Год назад

Can you explain how Bangladesh fixed the problem?

@umaryusuf537 Год назад

The average Pakistani doesn’t blame the British for this but corruption and mismanagement. Vox is blaming the British

@realcyberpirate Год назад

The thing is, punjab controls pakistan, it doesn't care for other provinces, be it get flooded or drain their water ways, if its happy, that's about it. Good thing you guys got out when you could.

@NarasimhaDiyasena Год назад

@@cometmoon4485 UN intervention. I remember a decade or so ago Bangladesh and Maldives were always being mentioned in need of funding and projects to correct the situation. Bangladesh is being flooded! Maldives will sink in 10 years! Catchy slogans diverted US taxpayer dollars into subsidizing NGO’s to fix the issue, but in reality ‘fixing’ had lest to do with correcting the problem and more to do with gaining leverage over government. Read ‘Confessions of an Economic Hitman’ for reference.

@unknown.m.e 9 месяцев назад

They don't want send the water to Sindh region but expecting india to send water

@N_ei_L Год назад

Can we appreciate how beautiful the stop motion throughout this video is? 👏👏

@Achill101 Год назад

I did appreciate it. But video spend too much time on blaming the British past and too little time on engineering trade-offs.

@abhishekrath3931 Год назад

AA thooo..

@user-yc5um2pl5v Год назад

Yes we can!

@ankitraj7365 Год назад

Recently Indian govt has sent letter to Islamabad to talk about the Indus water treaty 1960. A lot of major development will be seen on this topic.

@JohnAdams-vd5dc Год назад

Yes. Pakistan is about to lose on that front too.

@ankitraj7365 Год назад

@@JohnAdams-vd5dc today a bomb blast in Peshawar Pakistan killed around 50 people.

@ammarmateen3184 Год назад

Hahaha

@aiwwakk7152 Год назад

Keep dreaming endia.. only if Pakistan accepts it. 🇵🇰🇵🇰🇵🇰🇵🇰🇵🇰

@Satyamev_Jayate100 Год назад

Yes , because they are preventing making of dams in Kashmir

@umaryusuf537 Год назад

I’m Pakistani and when it comes to this the main issue is corruption, mismanagement, discrimination and a load of other issues blaming the British isn’t the solution. Yeah the British are responsible for several issues Pakistan faces like the Kashmir dispute and modern day western intervention in Pakistan like the US meddling in Pakistani affairs is a issue. The old irrigation systems won’t be able to feed Pakistans 220 million people. With better management this issue can become a lesser risk. Many areas face issue with water like the western US just recently in California lots of storms caused flooding in a usually dry area but due to better management the impact wasn’t as bad as the floods in Pakistan.

@dundundun7215 Год назад

No one's blaming the British, but not acknowledging the problem from where its coming from is also an issue. The dams are a british legacy, we personally don't know at all what else to do with the water. This is the same problem we keep facing with other countless issues we're trying to resolve. We don't like acknowledging that we were colonised for a long time and our personal relationship with the system that we're living in is that of a aaqa vs ghulam. We need to acknowledge that the mindset of our ruling class is conquering our own homeland rather learning to live with it. And the fact we still have a ruling class, our growth is stunted, we need to start acknowledging that we were colonised and conquered countless and learn to start the ways it affected our social policies and environment in a different way than ours. We can't a set a direction for ourselves if we don't know which way we're facing

@umaryusuf537 Год назад

@@dundundun7215 I agree with you brother Pakistan had lots of problems and it’s mainly due to the corruption, but I think even worse is the discrimination based on ethnic lines the quota system in Pakistan only benefits those in the majority in Punjab that’s Punjabi, in Sindh it’s Sindhi in KPK it’s Pathans. There’s a reason the Bangali left Pakistan and it was due to racism. Pakistan is able to feed its 220 million people due to conquering the Indus. So the current system of dams and canals is really important. To better this issue we need better infrastructure, better management and so much more can’t go back to the pre colonial agricultural system

@hardcoregamer7640 Год назад

Kashmir is in their DNA 😂

@riderchallenge4250 Год назад

@@umaryusuf537 able to feed seriously there is no food in Pakistan

@atish3024 Год назад

Priority is to convert hindu and sikh in pak that is V imp water is boon of Allah [pubh] after few years it will come back.

@murtazazaidi95 11 месяцев назад

I own around 92 acres of agricultural land in Sindh, 32 acres in the thatha district which is where the Indus flows to the sea. We have some very serious problems and majority is related to water. There is a canal that is right next to 22 acres of my land but I feel a big issue there is sharing water. Because my land is downstream by the time it reaches my land there isnt any left and every year a portion of my crops are destroyed. If the upstream farmers dont waste as much as they do we could all have enough water. The ground water is incredibly saltish as sea water seeps (usually around 7500 DTS, crops can not grow in DTS above a 1000) so thats pretty useless for me. Ive tried my best to negotiate with the irrigation department and have them divert more water towards my land but all theyre interested in is bribes... Its nothing less than a disaster

@MrDylsha Год назад

Colonial mindset? The british only built one or two barrages, it was the Pakistani's who built over 50+...

@channelclark7121 Год назад

Ok and they started it

@petergray7576 Год назад

Except that the colonial mindset is still thriving. The modern India and Pakistani legal codes were compiled decades before either was a separate or independent nation. And when independence did come the new ruling elites were content with the economic status quo the British had built, and simply promoted themselves into the commercial and government jobs and roles that had depended upon or built that status quo. In economics this is called Path Dependence, which is built upon the theory that it is far easier to maintain existing economic and sociological infrastructure- in spite of their glaring shortcomings or limitations- than to switch to a newer and improved system that has to be built from scratch. In most cases of modern countries that emerged from European colonialism, the previous colonial rulers had built most of their physical existence from borders to the ruling social structure to government administration to the main export industries prior to independence. And since path dependence is very difficult even for prosperous developed countries to break, there was little chance that poorer former colonies would deviate from these established systems. And this included patterns of neglect, corruption and social cupidity usually traceable to the former colonists themselves, passed down to the new rulers.

@Zveebo Год назад

This is rather one-sided video. Prior to the canal system, massive famines killing many hundreds of thousands, even millions, happened routinely for centuries. Yes, there are some negatives, but the canal system both saved millions of lives and played a huge part in enabling Pakistan to become the huge and relatively prosperous country it is today. Ignoring that side of things is less than I expect from quality journalism like Vox.

@seedhasaadabhartiya3312 Год назад

What did you say? Pakistan is a relatively prosperous country 😂😂😂😂

@patrickfitzgerald2861 Год назад

@@seedhasaadabhartiya3312 Relative to their good friends over the border in Afghanistan, yes.

@livingsgb Год назад

Didn't you watch the video? Colonialism is THE cause for all these problems. Why have a serious discussion when there's a cheap and easy target on the table.

@tahmasp6624 Год назад

@@seedhasaadabhartiya3312 yes Pakistan has developed lot over the years.

@TopeRopeTom Год назад

What’s funny is the show a graph of massive population increases and then never address the issue that there would not have been this population if the water infrastructure was not there. Everyone just eats up oh it’s colonialism and the lady tries to make it like she knows there’s ancient secret knowledge that we refuse to look at…. Perhaps make better drainage so pakistan can maintain its population? Unless what’s she’s saying is she was Pakistan to go back to its population 150 years ago…

@scottwisseman8629 Год назад

Y'all continue to amaze with these physical diagrams and illustrations. They are spectacular!

@walhalla8217 Год назад

These engineering project certainly helped the communities grow... there was certainly greater benefit in them. These projects certainly come with risk involved, we see the effect today. What seems to be overlooked was the constant monitoring of these rivers, to see if they may cause problems ahead, and could be rectified easily.

@gudmundursteinar Год назад

The mission point here is that if you are going to un-over engineer the river first you must find something else for 100,000,000 people lto do for a living and find food for them on the international market.

@prism560 Год назад

vox: let talk about the issue me: oh okay let hear it vox: it all change when the British attacked me: oh god not again...

@cenci4913 Год назад

You literally can't talk about modern Indian history without talking about the British. They ruled the area for 100 years, and more importantly for the 100 years in which the industrial revolution took place

@lolatiffhur Год назад

@@cenci4913 sure it may have ruled for 100 yrs but already 75 years have passed. That’s 3 generations. That’s enough time to work things through

@kaitlyn__L Год назад

@@lolatiffhur not how history works. Ramifications usually are felt for a few centuries for any major event. See, WW1, or the American and French Revolutions. 75 years is actually a remarkably short time for the fabric of power to change

@BeE_AriyaN Год назад

@@lolatiffhur there's a catch. When British ruled, it was more or less a single entity under the name British India, but now it's India & Pakistan (while Indus is concerned) & last 75 years of history is full of 1947, 65, 71, 99 etc.

@navin750 Год назад

@@cenci4913 Yeah, but the conveniently ignored that Pakistan opposes India building more dams, which could reduce flooding because that would help Indians.

@NepaliSportsClick Год назад

Nepal can sell water to whole world but India is getting it free and still stealing border area of Nepal and former area like sikkim Tista Darjeeling etc....one day India will have to payback.

@saadsaadoossm Год назад

The system is designed for irrigation, not for drainage. That's its main technical flaw.

@anandisrocking007 Год назад

@aksmex2576 Год назад

Exactly! The Brits have been gone for 75 years yet they are blamed for everything.

@WS12658 Год назад

I thought it was interesting that large infrastructure projects were framed as a "western" concept, rather than just a "developed industrial nation" concept. Seemed very condescending.

@ameerabdullah1129 Год назад

its vox mindset pakistan not blaming british for it

@anandisrocking007 Год назад

@@ameerabdullah1129 Mabe but post colonial politicians do that

@boarbot7829 Год назад

Thank you so so much for this extremely reasonable comment- I agree that the British did some terrible things, but it is definitely time to at least slightly move on and stop using it as an excuse for current incompetence.

@hahidalgo21 Год назад

I mean if the population of a country grows fivefold and the water supply remains the same it makes sense that the water availability per capita will drop proportionately, it is simple math.

@FahadFSA Год назад

No, Pakistan could have made hundreds of dams and reservoirs to increase its per capita water availability.....

@markusgorelli5278 Год назад

@@FahadFSA So x-amount of rain falls a year and you think all of it should be locked up in dams?

@FahadFSA Год назад

@@markusgorelli5278 look up videos of the August 2022 flood, that's the "x-amount" that needs to be locked by so it doesn't destroy the country.....

@hahidalgo21 Год назад

@@FahadFSA Yes this is a solution, but if not implemented, as is in this case, then the per capita value will drop. Also, I hate it how the video focuses too much on the British colonizers. Pakistan has been an independent country for more than 50 years, so it is their fault that this problem exists.

@riderchallenge4250 Год назад

They are breeding like animals.

@onkarkitekt Год назад

2:05 so glad someone has highlighted this with actual 3D topographical representations, was on my list of projects but Kudos to the vox team who have done an excellent job 🏆

@JapiSandhu Год назад

What about Punjab India? This region is also severely effected. That is a huge part of this which wasn’t mentioned. Indian government has a huge role in this problem too. Sad. Punjab will become a desert now. Our people are being erased.

@batman_2004 Год назад

Pakistan mentioned. Indians : Allow us to introduce ourselves.

@itachiofthesharingan67 Год назад

Afterall those are our children....They are part of us😂

@vishal-ys7pk Год назад

we care for our son , even if it is unwanted.

@sasmalprasanjit2764 Год назад

We love our bast*** child too ( conve**** out of hindu to become a Muslim nAtion)

@gauravdas6741 Год назад

Father never forget his child even though his child is notorious.

@anaesthete5592 Год назад

Indus flows through India first then it's reaches pakistan

@animalamu Год назад

framing this as a "colonialist mindset" problem is the absolute worst take possible

@somebloodybrit8067 Год назад

It's Vox, do you expect them to actually have decent takes?

@faheemahmad3957 Год назад

they have proofs!

@Eli-pj8xm Год назад

Easier to point fingers rather than admit you are the problem.

@WS12658 Год назад

It's so weird, right? The "colonial mindset" allowed Pakistan to grow massively and feed millions and millions more people. And then post-colonial mismanagement and bad engineer is somehow the ex-colonists fault?

@randomname4411 Год назад

They essentially inherited infrastructure that otherwise would not have existed for at least another 50 years.

@Ksweetpea Год назад

A similar story is playing out where I live. Wetlands "reclaimed" for farming. Extremely severe drought and little tolerance for rainfall

@salmanahmad1006 Год назад

First of all, Thank You the team which created this video. Really we are indebted to you. Here in Pakistan institutions and responsible authorities and people don't pay attention to real problems. I'm glad that your channel highlighted this issue. Secondly, Kindly make a video about possible solutions. Pakistan's population is growing exponentially. Really it's a mess. The rivers are our lifeline. Dams create cheap electricity. By the way currently the rate of electric current is too expensive for middle class. Thus there is greater focus on building new dams so cheap electricity can be produced. Water scarcity is scary. I'm sad to inform that authorities are not paying attention.

@Nexus-Technology Год назад

Very informative but the opinions of the professors highlighted in this are very ignorant. The conditions of the modern world make it literally impossible to "just listen to indigenous knowledge instead of fixing the problem with modern engineering". Did they miss the part where agriculture employs 50% of the country? Or maybe the part about how the population of Pakistan has boomed exponentially since these changes were made, and this increase in agriculture is helping prevent starvation? If anything the recent global pandemic has shown how fragile international food supply lines can be and how nations should be encouraging domestic food production, not looking for ways to reduce it.

@_kikyu Год назад

i think what they mean is that pakistan should consider adapting some of the techniques of their indigenous into their modern system. it doesnt mean going from one extreme to another. it means being able to find a balance so that the people who rely on the indus river can have a long term solution for their water needs as the indigenous found out how to do it hundreds of years before the british came. the point is, is that their industrialist mindset is informed by people who either dont know, or care about the issue at hand and how to solve them. thats why they want to turn to indigenous methods for ideas as they have managed their water well for a logn time before.

@nb8947 Год назад

Exactly, and blame 150 year old infrastructure instead of over population and the current corrupt government. Meanwhile South Korea got their independence only 50 years ago and are a first world nation. The whole rhetoric of blaming everything in south Asia on the British is really counter productive and gives a scapegoat to current governments.

@Cumulo9 Год назад

and to think those 2 useless eaters are some "professors" earning probably 6 figure salary in some university in the west. puke

@dhirenkhatri4810 Год назад

I laughed so hard at 'post colonial Pakistan' Was there a 'pre colonial' one?😂😂

@FahadFSA Год назад

was there a pre-colonial "hInDuStAn"? xDDDDDDDDDDD

@akhandbharat1593 Год назад

@@FahadFSA maratha Empire was called hindvi swaraj

@03.achyuthans39 Год назад

@@FahadFSA What did Mughal emperors call themselves in the title? Padishah of Hindustan right? Didn’t even Timur want to invade Hindustan? So yeah pre colonial Hindustan existed, named that way by Muslims in fact

@FahadFSA Год назад

@@03.achyuthans39 says the people who changing names of Mughal Parks xDDDD

@Niman795 Год назад

@@FahadFSA Haan humne name change kiye tuje Kia tu apne liye aata aur electricity ka intezam kar gawar

@balam314 Год назад

The problems shown in this video weren't caused by "over" engineering, just bad engineering. Water being unable to find its way back to the indus means there wasn't enough drainage. Rivers flooding means there isn't enough reservoir capacity to hold the floodwaters. Seawater coming back up the river means the dams were managed improperly. If engineering the river somehow inherently causes these problems, it wasn't communicated properly. Why is Vox implying that the solution to bad engineering is to stop all the engineering? Wouldn't that ruin all the farmland that was created by the canal network?

@matthewtopping2061 Год назад

You can tell she's a native because she says "BOK-istan" instead of "Phhhæk-uh-stæn" like an American.

@therealergo Год назад

Interesting, beautiful video completely ruined by some weird fetishization of traditional knowledge and blame shifting. You should've interviewed a hydrologist.

@Monaleenian Год назад

Yeah, the massive child mortality and regular famines that were brought about before colonisation by folowing traditional knowledge don't seem to be an issue for them. Tells you a lot about their extremely lacking knowledge of that period or their view of humans. I hope it's just ignorance but I wouldn't be so sure that someone could do the research that was required for this video without being(or becoming) aware of the results that were obtained by following traditional knowledge. Concerning.

@NaSaSh1087 Год назад

@@Monaleenian 🤣yet the regular famines were more frequent during the British rule than any other pre colonial rule.

@giovannicaboto6322 Год назад

At what point does Pakistan get blamed for its own problems and not the British. Pakistan has had independence for quite a while now and you're making this video telling me that it's Britain's fault that Pakistan can't control it's irrigation? How about they take responsibility and stop blaming others for their problems

@msruag Год назад

do you really think corrupt government officials living in their mansions with expensive shoes are actually going to blame themselves for anything in pakistan lol? come to pakistan everyone is suffering bc of these excuses of "leaders"

@meet_jagtap Год назад

Yes. It IS Britain’s fault no matter whatever you say! The point is Britain left the subcontinent decades ago, and now fixing it is Pakistan’s responsibility, something that Pakistan is doing incompetently and inefficiently.

@syedmohammadaanasfarukh890 Год назад

4:39 blaming the british despite the fact that Pakistan's water availability was highest in 1950 (just 3 years after independence). Water was better managed during colonial times. These issues have been created by the local government, and yet you're blindly blaming the british. Been 75 year since independence. If 75 years aint enough, 750 aint either.

@KingMinos316 2 дня назад

Their feelings don't care about your facts.

@hhwippedcream Год назад

Important history our policy makers and infrastructure managers should pay attention to. Rivers are also built to grow vegetation. In our world we focus our attention on flood control when we should be focused on high flow diversion for agricultural and bioremediation uses. Spot on Vox! Thank you for speaking truth and for putting a spotlight on these scholars.

@cobragaming1186 Год назад

Now recently, india give notice to pak for modification of indus water treaty. Now, i think they will not need canal to distribute excess water....😂😂😂

@sangy423 Год назад

Though Indus is in Pakistan..But it's very pious for us Indians and the mother river has blessed our civilization..Our culture, our heritage Indus❤️🙏

@adiraj9198 Год назад

Aka Sindhu

@mysterious7215 Год назад

@@themastermind8847 kashmir is Indian you focus on Balochistan

@anupam13mishra Год назад

@The Master mind , You focus on being global leader in terrorism and militancy.

@03.achyuthans39 Год назад

@The Master mind it starts in the Himalayas which are the traditional northern limit of the “Indian” subcontinent… formed by the “Indian” Plate. Guess your people should focus more on electing proper representatives who don’t cause floods in the neighbouring province rather than focusing on terminology. It’s not enough if you get independence. Atleast try to make it work

@Niman795 Год назад

@The Master mind madrschap

@hassaanbukhari517 Год назад

if only Pakistani authorities were smart enough themselves and really cared about the public the floods would not have been so disastrous

@JohnAdams-vd5dc Год назад

Bro, you're spitting facts.

@quiasnoorzad Год назад

They only care for Punjab province

@naintarabatool1150 Год назад

Yeah and u would stop climate change right?

@fly463 Год назад

@@naintarabatool1150 Your mom will do it

@kaaskop4 Год назад

Wes Anderson would be proud of the model you made

@arafatrahmanshihab5268 Год назад

Any problem exit in Indian subcontinent. British : Yoo

@m.tayyab3290 Год назад

Countries like Pakistan have a habit of lumping all their failures into their colonial past, when in reality things are a lot more nuanced. Regarding these water systems in Pakistan, yes the British did indeed built these, but at that time it made sense. It improved productivity of lands, added to food security, and helped sustain a growing population. However, it was never meant to be stretched beyond its limits. Once Pakistan gained independence, it never sought to keep a lid on its population or introduce sustainable water usage practices. The country has never shown a trace of good policymaking or governance, and the results are now catastrophic as we can see. Outsourcing the blame everytime is just ignorant.

@alaric_ Год назад

Decades, literally half a century and it's still the colonials fault. Lets wait for another century and it's still the fault of the colonials. Perhaps after a millenia and then they will start to take responsibility for their own lives. Until then, ALL the bad things are because of the colonials. All of them, without an exception.

@CaptainCaterpillars Год назад

This is such an ignorant way to look at it.

@erikthomsen4768 Год назад

People love to hate. But pointing fingers at oneself can be rather embarrassing.

@anustubhmishra Год назад

@@CaptainCaterpillars I mean pakistan has been a disaster since independence by most metrics so i am not surprised

@scyllajk2757 Год назад

@@CaptainCaterpillars That is such a strong argument, that totally has a contribution.

@yellow4563 Год назад

So… over all the effect was positive. Boosted the population many times over. Inequality in water management isn’t good, but still, they benefited from it.

@sailsolo8724 Год назад

For once they did not blame India for their problems.

@sameeramin5316 Год назад

One of the best yet short and concise coverage on this topic. I left with more than when I entered. Thanks!

@TBH_Inc Год назад

Why does it sound like she want to get rid of the modern engineering? Sure the flooding wouldn’t be as bad then, but there would also be a lot less farmland right? Shouldn’t they instead engineer it better?

@shivamvishnu5539 Год назад

The canal building transformed the demographics and politics of this region. West Pakistan and now Pakistan may not even exist without these canals. The dominance of the feudal land owners and army elite who enjoyed British patronage made sure that democracy does not take a deep roots here. Indus river basin went from supporting a thin population to over 230Mil today. And now the cumulative ecological, economic and political consequences are showing. Thanks for an excellent explanation.

@mishrahimanshu9765 Год назад

6:00 Pakistan won independence... 😂😂 Best Joke... 👌👌

@sukhvindersingh9232 Год назад

Please take a minute to appreciate the visuals of how the water flow has been explained. I mean just wow! Vox pushes the bar higher every time for other content creators.

@Naveen-tq7cg Год назад

A large channel like Vox couldn't interview or even consult a hydrologist when making a video about canals?

@mayanksingh0044 Год назад

It's the fault of government of pakistan. British did what any other colonial power would have done. It's the government of pakistan who still gives land to powerful govt servants by giving them prime land like patronage. What colonial power gave away was about 1/3rd of total hence most of is given by the Pakistani government

@Rishi6901 Год назад

Bro in India we are also doing the same thing in Punjab, Haryana and U.P. You can see the impact of that in Punjab they are now facing droughts.

@akashvalsan6609 Год назад

What to do to make it more dramatic? Modi- let's reconsider Indus river treaty! 🤣🤣🤣🤣

@Luboman411 Год назад

Thank you for explaining why the monsoon floods in Pakistan have been so much worse than the monsoon floods in India since 2005 or so. I was wondering if it was because Pakistan was just getting far more torrential rains during the monsoons. But if that were the case, India would be equally affected. But almost never hear of India suffering these floods (though Bangladesh does, every year, because it's in the Ganges River delta). When you mess around with the flows nature has set out, you will get disaster more often than not.

@amosjsoma Год назад

Control rivers, irrigate land, grow crops and feed people. That sound terrible, we should let the people starve.

@maqsoodahmadawan9065 Год назад

exactly my point.....I am Pakistani we are 5th largest population .....what we do stave?

@ladhkay Год назад

@@maqsoodahmadawan9065 You need sustainable growth, not uncontrolled because it is not practical long term. Your ppl have a very short sighted view which is why you suffer and will continue to do so.

@riderchallenge4250 Год назад

@Zaydan Alfariz California has money pak dosen't

@Trendz4U Год назад

"When Pakistan won independence".... The word "won" is doing a lot of heavy lifting here.

@Eoaiyer21987rhei Год назад

What does this mean? Surely it's a good thing to get independence? How is it not a win?

@hoel9327 Год назад

@@Eoaiyer21987rhei he's an Indian so he's bound to say that and he's also acting like India didn't gain independence

@GoToMan Год назад

@@Eoaiyer21987rhei He’s saying, India essentially gave away the freedom to Pakistan or rather, both the countries “shared their freedom” and parted. It was amicable.

@akashsrivastava7895 Год назад

@@Eoaiyer21987rhei Because Pakistan didn't fight for independence it was created by dividing India on a religious basis

@Eoaiyer21987rhei Год назад

@@akashsrivastava7895 my understanding is that the partition was an idea of people from the Indian subcontinent, not a thing the British particularly wanted.

@BigMikeECV Год назад

I absolutely enjoyed the model and its animation. Well done!

@bl8388 Год назад

1:44 Unrelated to the topic, but I had to replay this stop-motion scene a few times. Got a real kick out of that. Thank-you for these videos.

@yashkale5639 Год назад

India has always followed the treaty and never blocked water supply to Pakistan even during 4 wars

@kamalsidhu7454 Год назад

So what? indus river is there in modern day Pakistan for centuries. Also how can you stop and divert such a huge amount of river water through highly mountainous region?

@abhinavkaushik4563 Год назад

@@kamalsidhu7454 we will divert it

@umaryusuf537 Год назад

@@abhinavkaushik4563 diverting the Indus is not possible by India

@user-fw5gp2me9b Год назад

@@abhinavkaushik4563 not possible baljeet and the indus river starts from china

@jarjarbinks3193 Год назад

@@user-fw5gp2me9b You Wumao ought to know the fact that there isn't much that can be done at the point of origin. The river flow THRU India before reaching Pakistan.

@DesertRox Год назад

So the British left in 1947 and the main canal was finished in 1987...the British have been gone for 76 years. Sounds like the Pakistani people and by extension it's government are happy with the system or they would have removed it. I'm not sure anyone can blame British engineers for this 76 years later and also many canal projects later.

@mudra5114 Год назад

I know Indians blaming the British for railways riding British built lines and then getting down on British built railway stations.

@kkk66969 Год назад

Video starts: British... Me: got it !!

@jojikhan55582 Год назад

Whats the way forward? I didnt catch any credible solution... Can anyone suggest some practical steps?

@N0N0111 Год назад

You guys speak about mistakes, but these plans were carefully put in place for those who were rich and powerful.

@matt45540 Год назад

Thanks for highlighting why some of the flooding happened in Pakistan. All I heard was historic rain, not poor water management

@somnathdey4376 Год назад

This *poor water management was fuelled by massive corruption* Pakistan has huge corruption problem from *Army to Politicians* Like least *developed African countries it hosts some of the Worlds richest Politicians and Military Generals* How can a Military General can become billionaire after retiring …? In Pakistan they can

@umairsqu Год назад

poor water management aside, it was an unprecedented rain.

@SarthakSabharwalMusic Год назад

You can never be enough prepared for unprecedented and unforeseen calamities.

@lifePaultheball Год назад

Natural Calamities are unavoidable. But Pakistan's government itself is not stable one. Its very difficult to settle the chain of problems which has been going on for decades.

@omenquentama6453 Год назад

big enough water planes can even lead to some rains, if significant water vapor is generated

@Hugh.Manatee Год назад

Maybe the old ways were better, definitely more sustainable, however, you can't turn back time. There are now 230 million people living in Pakistan. Going back to agropastoral farming can't sustain that population. I don't have a solution and I assume the people advocating for "indigenous knowledge systems" are aware of this. Pakistan is in need of a robust long-term water management plan, but I'm really afraid ideologies and politics are going to get in the way of a sensible solution.

@naheedhashmey 2 месяца назад

FINALLY someone who pronounces Pakistan the right way with ease! Amazing piece!

@JustRandomThings Год назад

Does the water standing for months on end, not recharge ground water in water scarce lands!? P. S i know flood management is important but would this flood situation benefit the water scarce places in any way?

@kkkk25yearsago79 Год назад

Pakistan can't manage their country 220M+ can't manage their country It must be Britsh fault

@anemoxxa Год назад

yeah Pakistan has a incompetent government, but that's a bad take. with low literacy rates, rising geographical and economic difficulties, ignorant government etc, its the same logic as saying "the extremely poor can help themselves". if you're so keen on saying that this is on the Pakistani population and the British have no accountability here, then tell me the solution.

@Rishi6901 Год назад

Well they also blamed India for the floods they said India released water from their side dams that's why they are getting floods in the river.

@anemoxxa Год назад

@@Rishi6901 really..? why do you lot confuse people with political leaders? and who ever said that in the video?

@Fireclaws10 Год назад

It doesn’t sound like the canals are the problem here. It sounds like climate change causing massive monsoons are causing these floods. On the contrary, the canals seem like a massive benefit.

@Char444 Год назад

Exactly, Vox didn't give much proof.

@thedamnedatheist Год назад

But Vox couldn't figure out a way to blame the monsoons on the Brits.

@mohsanaliraja 8 месяцев назад

Water crisis is the most pressing issue we are facing today. It's 2023 and a lrage number of households dont have access to clean drinking water. On top of that, those who control government don't seem to be serious about this problem.

@vadapallichaitu8799 Год назад

Awesome job with stop motion and dissemination of complex topic into easier one

@kalpadhwaryu7929 Год назад

One of the very few videos about Pakistan without having the word India in it.

@Warlock786 Год назад

There are many such videos. Issue with INdians is they think they have to involve themselves wherever Pakistan is mentioned,

@anaesthete5592 Год назад

@@Warlock786 actually the vast majority of the videos about Pakistan mentions India and that's the issue with Pakistanis for them everything about Pakistan starts and end with India the existence of pakistan is depended on it

@kalpadhwaryu7929 Год назад

@@anaesthete5592 True.

@JohnAdams-vd5dc Год назад

@Zaydan Alfariz Lies. Vox wrongly sides with Pakistan over Kashmir.

@JohnAdams-vd5dc Год назад

@@Warlock786 Oh really? Kashmir belongs to India and it seems all Pakistanis ever do is cry about it. So who is involved when who is mentioned? Maybe focus on fixing the terrorism issue in your country before it destroys Pakistan from the inside out.

@gregcollins3404 Год назад

I'm sorry, you can't say that this colonial mindset created this water system and increased the population fivefold is bad because the resulting population increase is overburdening the ecosystem.

@feefoo564 Год назад

Monsoons are the support system of Pakistan's agriculture. And monsoon is not just a rainy, stormy weekend, it stays for a while and it ultimately fills our water reservoirs. As far as its catastrophic effects are concerned, it is nothing as compared to large scale droughts and famine if such irrigation system had not been developed. Such intense monsoon rains occur in a decade but this irrigation system feeds the country throughout the year.

@henryjanicky4978 Год назад

What a correct observation

@124akshat Год назад

What the vox does not realise is that if the British had not built the Canal system that region would not be able to support even half the population that it can today. Which means mass starvation. Building sophisticated canal systems is actually one of the more positive legacies of British rule

@bhaskarmandavilli8501 Год назад

What about irrigation? and taking everyone along with you? As if it is something that is possible in a big country. Yes human engineering has caused floods and calamities sometimes, but it also enabled more people to live on this planet.

@Dudenier Год назад

The British actually created alot of farmlands for the pakistanis with their canals…

@Chloe0418 Год назад

Yes they did. And when Pakistan took it over, they ruined it. What a shame.

@Char444 Год назад

@@Chloe0418 Nope, Pakistan inherited this british way of building canals and so it did build more canals, barrages and dams during 60's to 90's. The problem here isn't the water infrastructure but global warming

@breezemont1161 Год назад

Well to make it more simple, british created Pakistan itself in the first place.

@purushothamadv1394 Год назад

A city nearby seaside had river flowing like five fingers to sea. City had the main stream. Still city faced water shortage. Streams on either side away from city with water flowing to sea, were engineered to get all the water to city. Every thing was okay till a heavy down pour and city faced flood.

@EveloGrave Год назад

As soon as I heard British Colonisation I paused the video and started writing the comment. Hears this story thousands of times. It is the truth, not denying the global effects of colonialism. Just really annoying to hear it, give the same ways to fix it, then nothing happens.