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And the worst part is, Palpatine told his own guards to leave, and he was being protected by an Imperial (Vader), until Vader died and Anakin returned. So basically, it's only Palpatine's fault the Empire couldn't protect him.
You really think they stand against Anakin skywalker in a rage. Yoda insta kills 2. Anakin embraced his last ounce of power to survive a lethal blast of electricity. Only thing that killed him was his injuries and letting go of the thing that kept him alive, Hatred and his life-support system.
No, the worst part is that Palpatine is didnt die in Return of the Jedi, but instead transferred to a cloned body. Making the Vader's sacrifice totally moot..
The emperor fell down a shaft. Why is he blaming the empire for not protecting him. He was a sith lord. It's not like they're even close to being on Palpatine's level of unlimited power.
Because Star Wars can’t make logical sense anymore. I’ve got no problem believing Palpatine would want something like this to happen in the event of his death, but very few Imperials in a position of power would be willing to carry it out when Palpatine death would give them the opportunity to carve out their own private empire’s from what remains of the Galactic Empire. Battlefront would have been much better scripted of Operation Cinder was some kind of automated contingency plan meant to destroy key Imperial and New Republic worlds. Once the Imperial Remnants realised Cinder was ticking down to activation they could have formed a temporary alliance with the New Republic to stop it. That would have made a much campaign. (Particularly if Palp’s had spies in the New Republic as well)
Judging from his plans and actions, I don't think he was being spiteful or pissed. It was less about punishing his Empire for failing him, and more about engaging in Scorched Earth tactics against the New Republic. He didn't want the New Republic to gain territories and worlds of tactical, strategic, political, infrastructural, or agricultural value from the Imperial remnants, nor did he want them digging up imperial secrets or tech. So he had his loyal Imperials purge and scorch the worlds that still remained under their banner in order to prevent the New Republic from getting too much turf or getting too strong. The reason of him doing it to punish his Empire was just to confuse and distract the New Republic. The Contingency and Operation: Cinder also included having loyalist elements and Imperial assets flee to the outer rim and unknown regions so that they may help in rebuilding the Empire in the form of the First Order, later the Final order.
Well, if you build huge satellites in your own owned world's with your own tech, no one will bat an eye. Build huge satellites near rebellion planets and people are going to ask questions.
@@lonewolf5054 it always has been canon even though the campaign was bad. I mean the idea was good the execution of the campaign was meh. But Anything from EA is canon.
This is TOTALLY irrelevant but earlier I was just thinking about how Wookiee’s live to 400 years (At least) and then I looked up Chewbacca’s age at the time of episode 9. It says he was 243 years old. It made me upset when I realized he had to live 200 more years without his best friend..
It’s fair to say that in a life that long one would probably have multiple eat friends unless one of them was another long aged species and didn’t end up bantha fodder at some point...
Agreed! Something I've often said about the empire under Disney Star Wars that their cartoonishly evil. Now some people might say something like the death Star is certainly cartoonishly evil but I'm more referring to things like the purge of mandalore. The way I look at it the empire wanted to break and abuse / use the galaxy. If you just destroy everything that doesn't leave you much of an opportunity. The whole point of the death star was that they would really only have to destroy one or two perhaps in an extreme case five at most worlds before pretty much everybody would get the idea but it was a last resort
@@RabidNemo That was the idea of the Death Star. To cause FEAR. Tarkin says it clearly, that the fear from that station is what will maintain order in the Empire. Despite it's massive capabilities it served a specific purpose, and the said purpose was not just let's destroy stuff randomly, because we are evil.
@@akuladoctor7355 exactly right! Which again is why I say things like the night of tears and nuking mandalore basically just seems so ridiculous. Initially what I thought Operation cinder would do would be to scoop up as much stuff as possible beneficial to what was left of the empire while perhaps weakening key worlds to make it more difficult for the new Republic to fight back
Not if you think like a Sith. Palpatine was hoping to return from death,but it would take a while. He wanted to make sure the Empire or what came after it was economically crippled and ripe for his return
Agreed. Sloppy Disney-era writing that I feel like was rushed to give something "cool" to do in Battlefront 2, while trying too hard to link it to the sequel trilogy.
Technically, he didn't break it since he and Mayfeld killed them all in the area. Din didn't kill him because he earned his trust and Mayfeld respected Din's beliefs by handing him over the helmet, didn't look at him afterwards and assumes that he didn't show his face.
Mando didn't break creed: he is coming around to the idea that 'Children of the Watch' are extremists. Mayfield wasn't tearing into Mando for fun; he saw that Mando was having a hard time reconciling his creed against the realities of life. "I never saw your face" as Mayfield gave Mando a helmet while looking away...if you didn't see him put it on, was it ever off? As time passes, the origins of 'never show your face' will become clear. My guess? "Never show your face to an enemy" was the real message. Children of the Watch consider everyone enemies, so there is that.
I was wondering what this was. I sort of knew but this cleared up all my questions. No wonder Mayfeld had some PTSD from that. It sounds absolutely horrible!
When he said this scene I got so excited because it was Battlefront 2. I hope we get Cal in another future Star Wars installment. maybe he will be in the bad batch for a cameo, because that planet looked like Bracca
@@da-vidcargill4975 BULLLLLLSHIIIIIIIIIITTTTTT The jedi should have just all put their power on yoda back on Revenge of the Sith, and then Palpatine would die earlier. BULLLLLSHIIIIIT Deus Ex Machina, soooooo convenient. Why would Rey even need these jedi? Isn't she a MaRey sue with unlimited power?
Operation Cinder makes no sense, unlike it's Legends counterpart The Imperial Mutiny. With Cinder Palpatine dies because of Vader, not because the Empire failed. Further unlike in Legends where it took Palpatine years to regain strength and reveal himself(by which time the Empire had devolved into Warlord states with power bases capable of challenging his rule) and he had to weaken the Warlords to the point they needed him again and so helped instigate and fuel an internecine holocaust the the Empire never recovered from. In canon, the Empire doesn't fragment initially and Palpatine destroying the Empire WHILE HE IS STILL ALIVE(as revealed in TRoS) is actively AGAINST his own interests. Palpatine absolutely would have burned everything to the ground rather than let anyone else have it if he was permanently dead, but since we know that is not the case Operation Cinder just comes off as nonsensical for him to do and doesn't take into account the vast swaths of Warlords and Imperials that would refuse to immolate their own holdings.
Never was a fan of Operation Cinder, especially since the lore is relegated to books and comics and completely ignored in the ST. The idea always struck me as a gimmick to justify the creation of the First Order, considering TFA neglected to reveal their origins, and has become a joke since ROS inexplicably resurrected Palpatine. Sidious intended to rule the Empire for generations, so why would he plan for his death? And above all else, why would he trust such crucial details of his Contingency to some random Imp? He never even trusted Vader. Biggest of all, Sidious would never allow the Empire to "regroup" under anyone else but himself. Even more confusing, how does Snoke fit into this? Did he just randomly show up one day and say, "Welp, guess I'm in charge." This makes even less sense when you realize it was Palpatine the whole time. He somehow had secret control of the First Order, then inexplicably announced his return to the galaxy before ROS? Why would Palpatine ever announce himself, especially if he'd already controlled the FO for the past 30 years. Why did he need the Final Fleet if he initially had Starkiller Base at his disposal, and why didn't he utilize the Fleet much sooner - say, before Operation Cinder? See, I don't mean to complain, and I think the Mandalorian is some of the best content we've had in a while, but this is precisely why I'm afraid the show is heading towards ST content. "Disney" lore is an inconsistent mess, and I'd much rather prefer it if they left it alone or retconned it.
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Anyone else think the first order could have used the weather satellite tech from operation cinder for their own super weapons in the sequel trilogy? I just think it’d be more unique that another Death Star 2.0
I can't believe the car dealer from Lexington was a target for OP Cinder! *mindblown* (For those that don't get any joke : the advert is placed directly before the list's beginning and after the introduction of said list. Mine just so happened to work out where it meshed hilariously. )
you know with the mentions of cinder in the mandalorian along with the fact that there have been many mentions that mandalore had been either rendered uninhabitable or destroyed, i would guess that mandalore is one of the planets hit by operation cinder that hasnt been confirmed yet
Boba said in the Season 2 finale that Mandalore’s been reduced to glass (basically how the planet Reach ended up in the Halo games). If that wasn’t the result of the Purge, then it’s a fair bet that Mandalore was indeed another planet hit by Operation Cinder.
I prefer the legends version of the post battle of Endor so much over the canon version. It makes more sense that the imperial admirals would turn into warlords and continue the war. It’s so dumb to think that the ENTIRE imperial navy was destroyed on one planet. They had 20 thousand star destroyers! unless that fact was wiped from canon as well.
Did anyone else think it was weird that Mando's facial scan was confirmed. Does that mean he worked for the Empire at a certain point and why he recognized Moff Gideon right away in s1? Unless his facial recognition was just confirmed because Mandalore used to be controlled by the Empire?
I took that as a face scan to prove you’re not wanted. Which is why everyone else balked on going in. They wouldn’t have his face until now as he always has his helmet on, like boba. The worry wasn’t that he worked for them it’s that he has the face of a Jango clone when they should all be dead by now...lol
I'd like to think that Operation Cinder could be considered canon, but does not lead to the creation of the First Order. It just ends with the Empire falling with maybe a little small group of remnants here and there, like Moff Gideon.
I wish they would have explained it better, it would have been another good way to connect why the new republic didn't have a powerful navy at the time. All the major shipyards that the New Republic could have gotten were destroyed.
the last shot of naboo we see in the movies is everybody celebrating the destruction of the 2nd death star. damn... this new canon sure crashed that party
One of the things I never really liked about the whole operation cinder thing I feel like Palpatine would have been arrogant enough to believe that once he had power fully solidified there was no way he could ever lose it
Disney really had some effed-up writing. I mean that's so irrational and doesn't have any logic to it at all. That is a pathetic way to explain how the first order formed and came into play
What's even more messed up is that the empire actually followed through with it. Legends had its flaws too but I prefer the empire falling to infighting and division. Much more believable
Operation Cinder is ridiculously. I feel like starwars has really been dumbed down over the last 10 years. These villians are cartoonishly evil and nothing the empire does makes any sense.
Everyone questioning why old Palps would do this and I'm like... this man is literally the Devil of Star Wars. One of the greatest Sith. The Empire was just another means to an end. A way he could obtain all the resources of the galaxy and scour it for any knowledge and power to further his own. If he 'died' before he found immortality than why should it exist? The Sith are selfish and he shows that in 'if I can't have it or control it than no one can.' Also, all the suffering, pain, misery and trauma of this Operation likely fed into the Dark Side and it's corruptive nature. So if he had any plans to survive death (yes I know TROS and Dark Empire are dumb but Legends alone has like a dozen other ways Sith try to avoid death so pick one), feeding the Dark Side might improve the success of those plans and give him a boost in power to return all the sooner. Anyway I loved how the show included this and used it to give a previously simple character more depth and tie in the worldbuilding was excellent. The acting was great and the scene set up so well I couldn't help but feel immense satisfaction when fascist piece of crap officer got what was coming to him. I tip my hat to Bill Burr for his acting and the writers that came up with this scene. Well done.
I started thinking Cinder was idiotic, but then you have to think about this. If things happen naturally, the Imperial Remnants inevitably get assimilated by the New Republic in some way shape or form. This way the ideological purity of the Empire is maintained. No compromise or blurring of imperial principles with republican rule.
Every time they try to explain a throwaway remark like this and make a place for it in canon it just makes everything more ridiculous. So Operation Cinder happened a little after 4 ABY when the events of ROTJ took place. Migs and the officer had their conversation somewhere around 7 ABY when the events of Mando take place. "Now there's a man who knows his history". The history of max three years ago, you mean?
I wish we could see and empire civil war. Like thrawn tries to take control after palpatines death and also moff Gideon. 2 factions of the empire fighting for power would be cool The biggest mistake jj Abrahm did to star wars was the purposed destruction of the empire. Operation cinder plus wiping out the rest at jakku. It's stupid on every level. And doesn't make sense. It left no room to play around with after
It was less about punishing his Empire for failing him, and more about engaging in Scorched Earth tactics against the New Republic. He didn't want the New Republic to gain territories and worlds of tactical, strategic, political, infrastructural, or agricultural value from the Imperial remnants, nor did he want them digging up imperial secrets or tech. So he had his loyal Imperials purge and scorch the worlds that still remained under their banner in order to prevent the New Republic from getting too much turf or getting too strong. The reason of him doing it to punish his Empire was just to confuse and distract the New Republic. The Contingency and Operation: Cinder also included having loyalist elements and Imperial assets flee to the outer rim and unknown regions so that they may help in rebuilding the Empire in the form of the First Order, later the Final order.
Playing battle front 2 right now. Kinda felt like the matrix 😎 watched this video while playing got the history while walking on some planet I am on lol
This plan makes no sense now with Palpatine still alive. Why does he want to destroy the empire if he still lives? He could just continue the war effort against the rebels. The empire is still outnumbering the Rebels and it only collapsed because everyone thought he is dead
I don’t think you understand lol and a of people don’t, palpatine did die on the Death Star the palps we see in ros is a clone of palpatine which makes sense as palpatine had back up plans on back up plans
@@fulcrum7455 isn’t his spirit in the clone like in dark empire? Because from what I know it’s still Palpatine‘s Spirit and He used essence transfer before his body exploded
Base-Delta-Zero would be both cheaper, faster and more efficient. Or how about biological weapons? The space-umbrella's are a ridiculous idea. You have star destroyers. Use them.
The thing with Base Delta Zero is that you need more than one star destroyer to...destroy the target. And the geography of planets are all different. With climate satellites, you could modify them to adhere to the planet's geography and climate. I you have a planet with lots of water, trigger floods or tsunamis. If you have a mountainous planet, trigger earthquakes or volcanic eruptions. If you have a desert planet, trigger sandstorms.
@@da-vidcargill4975 that means an entire chapter about farting at a wedding reception is also canon. You want that in the movie? Poe action figure with farting action?
its only way to save sequel when prequel already save original ...this is the best strategy to make short prequel in every alien point a view stories..how snoke defeated luke and probably died from it that snoke didn't know he died when luke escape on his last breath and arrive on a remote unknown planet and being a ghost for many years is reason he can't leave the planet..he is dead since snoke defeated him
I mean... that's their whole deal. The Dark Side is meant to be a corruption, evil and the Sith with it. Star Wars is a very good vs evil story. I can appreciate the Sith aesthetic (who doesn't like to wear black now and again?) but their ideology is so messed up I ain't touching it with a 39 1/2ft pole.
So Palpatine wanted to destroy the empire just to rebuild it? Honestly, everything after RotJ, outside of Mandolorian, in canon feels forced together in order to build-up to the sequels.
Another parallel between the Empire and Nazi’s. Palpatine’s scheme echoes similar to what Hitler pulled with the “Nero Decree”. Albeit on a much grander scale, and with complete devastation.
I liked the shout to the game, but beginning to think the rumors of turning the Disney trilogy into legends and starting new are just rumors. BF2 leads up to the sequel trilogy and The First Order. Bringing Cinder up in Mandalorian feels like they're going to connect the best part of Disney Star Wars to the worst part of Star Wars in general.
The worst part of Star Wars... So the madmen are planning on connecting The Mandolorian with the original Holiday Special, is what you're saying. Their evil truly knows no bounds.
Aye...as a fan and avid imperial the antics of Palpatine showed us that we were deceived. That he had decided to burn us all as the galaxy was without him. Any Imperial would wonder what the Empire really stood for.
@@royalanempire2965 I mean I support the idea of a galactic militaristic empire controlling the galaxy. I mean the republic literally abandoned most of the galaxy to fend for itself causing a massive rise of piracy slavary and technological degergation. I mean captian phasma used to be a cavewomen for pets sake.
@@Demicleas I fully agree the republic was becoming corrupt as times passed the problems of the outer rim was something the core worlds could care less for. The Republic needed a massive overhaul. But the creation of the empire could have avoid some things like racist tactics towards None human citizens and outer/midrim human citizens, the killing of the jedi/anyone that was a force user. And even they got corrupt in the long run as power hungry Imperials at times turned on one another or screwed anyone who didn't support them in some ways. As seen when Thrawn was first starting out in the empire and Eli Vanto couldn't even gain rank due to the antics of some Moff.
@@royalanempire2965 the republic was very corrupt, but the empire was just as bad in other areas, really there are the same thing expect the jedi have been replaced with the sith
@@lukedragan7859 any I fully agree. At least the Jedi weren't corrupt if anything just too distant from the public as they got more and more heat from the public for the clone wars.
Okay someone please help me understand. I don't really get why the Emperor would do this. He says that if an Empire couldn't protect it's Emperor, than it should not outlive him. But why does he want some Imperials to survive and to rebuild the Empire again? Wouldn't it make more sense to not kill all these Imperials? He needs them to rebuild the empire right? Also it's strange to erase the empire, just to build it up again, with the same people. I have the feeling that I'm missing something.
Well I honestly can say this is by far worse than all the executive orders the clones were bound to. This is basically Palpatine saying “Fu¢k all of you and your planets”. It reminds me of DBZ / DBZA Frieza being a sore loser.
THEY DESTROYED NABOO?! WHAT THE HELL?! DISNEY HAVE TRULY RUINED STAR WARS! Wait... If they're supposedly rewriting the sequels to make them better, would Naboo still be destroyed? I hope not
