The Downfall of Prodigy Discs

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Prodigy Discs has been making moves in the disc golf scene since 2013 and after a decade they might just be on the brink of collapse. Swiss and Jefferson recap the history of Prodigy and the down fall the brand is seeing
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@tatewellisch2041 8 месяцев назад

Absolutely savage to say youd rather watch paint dry than Isaac Robinson. I personally love seeing him and his consistency

@Keith-n6o7c 8 месяцев назад

Not sure why anyone would say that. He is a great player and one of the nicest guys in the sport. Honestly, I don't see how any player is more fun to watch than another, it's just the nature of this sport. All I really care about is players who don't act like babies and show their ass when things are going bad, especially when they know they are on lead or chase card coverage. Act like you've been their before.

@MrCanewarning112 8 месяцев назад

Ditto. Someone who is basically auto from c2 is pretty fun to watch.

@HarryWylie-ck7sj 8 месяцев назад

Same I stinking love watching Isaac play. Could watch that guy put all day

@alexmartishius 8 месяцев назад

I didn't know it was possible to attempt an argument about the downfall of an entire company while providing no financial data whatsoever, lol! I'm not convinced.

@communityparked 8 месяцев назад

If you haven’t thrown anything by prodigy, you’re missing out. Don’t be fooled. Fun video! Here for the controversy ha

@hereticyogiexpectationsups4037 8 месяцев назад

Would need to know more about their market share and profits trajectory to better understand their business standing?

@trev3971 8 месяцев назад

As disc golf contracts, the big money deals for players outside the top 10 are gonna be albatrosses for the smaller brands. Gannon is super talented, but is he gonna sell discs commensurate with a big deal? If you combine his and Alden's social media presence, it's still a fraction of Simon's, not to mention the fact that a vast majority of disc golfers don't care about the pro game.

@CentralPAMountainRiders 9 месяцев назад

I hope no serious player is basing whether they buy a disc or not on the name of the disc..

@nathanwilson7929 8 месяцев назад

Pros get a % of their disc sales... So no signature disc = no royalties. So no serious player is going to stay with a company that doesn't allow you to make money off sales.

@JesseJ588 8 месяцев назад

Any serious player knows that almost every single mold Prodigy makes can be found by another manufacturer. And if we're being honest their plastic is trash.

@nathanwilson7929 8 месяцев назад

@@JesseJ588 correct, there pro throw their old stuff.

@christopher.m.estelow 9 месяцев назад

I can't wait for the comments section on the first video where you use a different color other than red! Another great vid and keep em coming!!

@RyandoSparks 8 месяцев назад

This is odd and seems like a “we hate Prodigy” video. Choosing not to overextend on players as a relatively smaller company when the Covid shine has worn off on disc golf seems like a smart idea.

@lucasmuller8074 9 месяцев назад

Y’all’s thumbnails are ridiculous😂

@F8d2Blk 8 месяцев назад

I always feel that prodigy discs need a new design team. Add cooler graphics to there discs and create cool names for their discs. Same as discmania. I feel some discs just sell better because of the graphics or how cool they look. What sounds better, oh I throw a cd1 or a f3. Or does it sound better, I throw a destroyer. I feel that needs to be changed to move forward. Get newbies more interested in their plastic.

@donalddavidson2350 9 месяцев назад

I don't believe Cam is still with the, and hasn't been for the last 2 , maybe 3 years

@jaynorris3631 8 месяцев назад

Did anyone catch that? Did Gannon announce where he is going?

@brandoncourteau9696 9 месяцев назад

A2 is quite possibly the greatest approach disc ever made, prodigy isn’t going anywhere

@Picklemedia 8 месяцев назад

I bought four of them they were all on sale everything on their website was on clearance compounded with Black Friday sales I got 4 A2s for $22 CAD.

@barrypeirson3710 8 месяцев назад

@@Picklemedia Score!

@Mendozer7502 8 месяцев назад

Lmfao... thats a good one.

@Picklemedia 8 месяцев назад

@@Mendozer7502 don't worry lenny. You can tend the rabbits

@GMAN24247 8 месяцев назад

Toro is better

@curtisridenour 9 месяцев назад

Yeah they did (fuck up)

@jii-ro7083 8 месяцев назад

prodigy is the worst company out there. Then comes shitcraft

@SunshineBr0 8 месяцев назад

Doomer vid

@DrMcKay66 8 месяцев назад

Latitude 64°.....made in Sweden. No china crap there 😊

@Picklemedia 8 месяцев назад

Awesome. Where is your cell phone made?

@DrMcKay66 8 месяцев назад

@@Picklemedia Whats has that got do do with discs? Most stupid answer ive heard in a long time 🤡🤡 but if you need to know i have a Gigaset gx6 and its made in Germany 😁👍

@Picklemedia 8 месяцев назад

@@DrMcKay66 1. You said "do do" 2. You cannot ask an "answer", what I did is what we call a 'question' 3. I was implying the irony of half your things being made in China. Obviously. 4. You edited your comment and it is still full of mistakes: grammatical, ideological, and spiritual. 5. I'm actually your dad.

@DrMcKay66 8 месяцев назад

@@Picklemedia 😂😂 Awesome.

@OGSook День назад

I just went to the shop earlier and they had a used lat64 midrange for sale. First time ive held one. Very impressed with it tbh. Id probably throw some of their discs if i could reliably get them locally.

@serenityinsilence 8 месяцев назад

I initially avoided prodigy because of all the negative comments about them. I decided to give them a shot and now love several molds from prodigy. None of the discs I’ve purchased have flashing. I’ve had more discs with terrible flashing from innova, dynamic and westside. All in all most people hate prodigy because it’s the popular thing to do. Just like anything on the internet, people love to jump on the hate train.

@jvladcliff4083 9 месяцев назад

F3, F5, A2 $

@mZondo 9 месяцев назад

I bag all 3. So good

@OGSook День назад

Its F5, M4, A5, Pa5, and Pa3 for me!

@firstavailablediscgolf 9 месяцев назад

So tired of the clickbait on this YT channel... Ugh.

@Eaglemadhatter 8 месяцев назад

As you click and comment on the click baited posting giving it more exposure? 😊

@michaelw6948 8 месяцев назад

Isn’t it crazy how Prodigy never seems to have a ‘big powerhouse’ team yet their players are constantly winning huge titles on the pro tour while throwing that awful Prodigy plastic? Surely their discs aren’t good enough for all of the 850 rated players here in the comments…

@nathanwilson7929 8 месяцев назад

Most of the pros throw the old stuff. Hard to throw like the pros when the average age of the disc is 5 years old.

@lukerichardson3253 8 месяцев назад

⁠@@nathanwilson7929not true. There are plenty of high quality disc being produced for their pros.they sponsor people all over the world

@joshcallaway3600 8 месяцев назад

@@nathanwilson7929 the new stuff is good too. In fact the old stuff isn't for most players anyway as its far more stable then newer stuff. I think people who make a living reselling old/used discs are the ones pushing "sought after" old runs.

@nathanwilson7929 8 месяцев назад

@@joshcallaway3600 pros need the stability for the arm speed. Again, if no one throws the new stuff, no one is going to want them. Same with Innova making a signature disc for a pro a Jay when she doesn't bag or throw a Jay. Fact is pros and players vocalize their disappointment in discs hep drive sales. Popularity does as well as, see Simon and lizzottles

@jimmyselvin 8 месяцев назад

So why are the winning players leaving Prodigy?

@stitch438 8 месяцев назад

Interesting how everyone knocks Prodigy but they seem to be ahead of the curve on signing new player's that will turn into something. At the very least; they enabled a lot of the big names today to get going at the pro level. Would we have all the names we have today without Prodigy?

@oakmusiccc 8 месяцев назад

They haven’t signed anyone this offseason, rather alot of their players are leaving

@mjoesting 8 месяцев назад

"downfall" is an overly dramatic word choice. Yeah, they've lost a ton of pros over the last 2 years, but a small pro team doesn't strongly correlate with the success of the team members or with disc sales. MVP, Kastaplast, and even Innova should be evidence enough of that. Don't underestimate the impact of Chantel Budinsky and Caroline Henderson, either.

@KPrime31 8 месяцев назад

I will disagree with some of your points. Buhr broke his contract, and that was the right move. You can't argue that he's 17, he (or his parents) signed a contract. There are stamped discs that did promote his wins (even his fist Silver Series win), as well as every single win that one of their tour players achieved, even Parker Welck and Ezra's. Did you guys even do your research?

@lukerichardson3253 8 месяцев назад

Personally I don’t think the company is crumbling. They have a great team and seem to be making great discs. The video is pure speculation and no actual business numbers. They constantly have numerous players in the top ten, week in and week out. I have several Prodigy discs in my bag.

@stitch438 8 месяцев назад

Every video from this channel is pure speculation and/or clickbait...

@rageoid 8 месяцев назад

Preserve is a local course for me. Cale is a huge disc golf supporter in our state and elsewhere. I bag some Prodigy and I buy his discs, he's earned that. Several great molds, have to choose well is all.

@ZackDumond1 8 месяцев назад

Say you don’t know what you’re talking about, without saying you don’t know what you’re talking about.

@Picklemedia 8 месяцев назад

Make clickbait videos, earn clickbait subscribers. You are diluting the quality of your channel.

@barrypeirson3710 8 месяцев назад

I think the titles are a bit tounge-in-cheek and their content is excellent. Chock full of info.

@Picklemedia 8 месяцев назад

@@barrypeirson3710 I think the titles are misleading and I find that annoying. It's just my opinion and I'm giving my feedback. It's okay to disagree

@barrypeirson3710 8 месяцев назад

@@Picklemedia I see your point tbh

@Holycow723 8 месяцев назад

This channel wins most annoying disc golf channel by far.

@theLizardof0z 8 месяцев назад

Crumbling? Because YOU say so? Highly doubt it. Their problem is newbie and MA8 players online and videos such as this saying nothing positive - when they deserve the opposite. People complain about Prodigy flashing. It's nothing compared to Innova molds these days. People complain about the discs being inconsistent and unreliable. How many wins did Prodigy players amass last year? A LOT. Truth is they still make some fantastic plastic and some great discs. If people would throw the products before internet bashing them - videos like this wouldnt exist. Sadly, the community is full of lemmings (see MVP sales after signing Simon) that throw what they are told, jump on bash wagons when they have no business doing so, and cannot make an educated disc decision based on field testing. Gotta love disc golf!

@joshcallaway3600 8 месяцев назад

bottom line...they make great molds and plastic...they are a smaller company...they have been for the ten years they've been around. They can't afford to keep young talent. Every company is seeing great players leave.

@KPrime31 8 месяцев назад

Also, when these big contracts keep pushing up the prices of discs, Prodigy will still be there with the lower priced discs.

@fightlashwoody 8 месяцев назад

the isaac slander is insane, I hate prodigy for the most part but isaac is awesome, his shot is gorgeous and hes just a fun guy overall, I'd rather watch him than kevin or any other prodigy player for that matter.

@keisi1574 8 месяцев назад

I second this.

@stevehill5018 8 месяцев назад

He (Natalie) just became the most hated guy in the history of disc golf! Most humans would not want that.

@user-dz6tx8tc1w 9 месяцев назад

Bro .. they still have Kevin Jones.. 😂 What is wrong with people and a 🎙️ today .

@TristanViola99 3 месяца назад

This didn't age well 😂

@OGSook День назад

Why do people hate their naming system? Its probably the best in the entire DG business. I honestly trust the disc names on prodigy than i do the flight numbers elsewhere. I started with MVP but quickly went to prodigy after actually USING their discs. Their premium plastic is amazing, their base plastic is the stuff putters dream of, the midrange plastic feels more premium than anything ive ever held from discraft. Seems like everyonenhating on prodigy has either never used their discs or is following the current trend. Stop worrying about pro tours and get out and throw some discs. Hell, ill let you use mine so you dont have to buy your own. Just dont get mad when you dont hate it.

@zkhhungo9970 8 месяцев назад

Downfall?🤣

@PitchperfectDG 8 месяцев назад

KJ was a bad signing when it happened. The do is good but not great. He cares more about the stuff he calls music then disc golf at this point.

@piercegormley8644 8 месяцев назад

I love the 400g plastic honestly

@DiscGolfHunter 8 месяцев назад

They are not fucked. They are pivoting away from the US market to focus on Europe, where the real growth is.

@jeremywendelin Месяц назад

This RU-vid channel is like the national enquirer of disc golf 😂 prodigy is not going anywhere….

@LondonDiscGolfCommunity 8 месяцев назад

Not bad summary, you missed the spicey details of the why big jerm and Paige piece left the company.

@LazarusDickerson 8 месяцев назад

Not sure why anyone likes prodigy disc's, only ever bought a D3 which was okay but the flashing is bad on 95% of the disc's and they suck as a company and don't treat their sponsors well

@kevinfraser5179 7 месяцев назад

Zero mention of Thomas Gilbert? I played a round with him after the tour when his contract was expiring. He seemed pretty happy about the idea of playing for other companies.

@nolanfulton6112 8 месяцев назад

D1 is quite possibly the greatest approach disc driver ever made, prodigy isn’t going anywhere

@tjmcgough5333 8 месяцев назад

I swear Prodigy was the one creating all the negative stuff about Lone star disc. I dont throw either but lone star is way better than prodigy

@nathanwilson7929 8 месяцев назад

I am like 2 hours from prodigy HQ, if it wasn't for their tournaments I probably would not own any prodigy discs.

@mojoeks 9 месяцев назад

Dang! This video hurt almost almost as much as the one and only time I threw a Prodigy disc.

@tonyvillar23 8 месяцев назад

Shocked there was no mention that the bulk of their discs are now made in China.

@OldMan10923 8 месяцев назад

They’re better. Most other companies plastics comes from China they’re just not molded in China. They have better quality control over those discs. They fly how they’re supposed to. They’re durable. What else could you want?

@4dwyn 9 месяцев назад

Prodigy is the Oakland As of Disc Golf. They’re playing Moneyball

@nathanwilson7929 8 месяцев назад

Worse is they don't seem to be great at it.

@KPrime31 8 месяцев назад

@@nathanwilson7929 Time will tell. I think these big contracts are going to hurt companies in the end.

@quinnmalcolm1693 8 месяцев назад

Isaac is running it back

@Chris.Davies 9 месяцев назад

Note to Prodigy: it is practically impossible to become emotional about a disc when it does not have a name. Putting a letter with a number in place of a name is utterly emotionless, and a super silly naming convention. And then, using numbers and (shock-horror!) more letters to name your plastics - well that is simply indefensible. You end up with disc names like "H3 V2 400G". If you can't see the difference between that and a "Halo Star Destroyer", or a "Champion Firebird", or a "Grand Orbit Grace" or a "Supreme Escape", then I don't know what to tell you. And finally, it is necessary to note the standard stamps on Prodigy discs are without doubt, the most boring and uninspiring stamps in all of disc golf. And, as a result no one gives prodigy discs a second look in my disc golf store, unless they pick up a disc in sticky 400G. Then they put it back in the box after a few seconds. :P I guess it is possible to argue that Prodigy's naming systems were a "gigantic fustercluck", but it is more accurate (and less controversial/clickbaity) to say they made some basic mistakes which prevented players becoming passionate about their products. And without passionate buyers, you have nothing. Note the passion with which an RPM thrower will defend their love for their Atomic Ruru, their Strata Takapu, or their Platinum Kahu. That's not coincidence, is it?

@joaquinesquivel7516 9 месяцев назад

A2❤

@jeffnarum1373 8 месяцев назад

When I started playing I liked their naming system. It kept it simple. Pa3, M2, F5 and a domey D1.

@lucasmuller8074 8 месяцев назад

Most practical and logical naming system period. I don’t need to have my disc be named after a Greek god to love it

@polaromonas 8 месяцев назад

Discmania would like a word. They have similar naming scheme, yet people are going crazy over MD1 (or P2 or whatever).

@noname-oh2sv 8 месяцев назад

@@polaromonas Some of their most loved disc have names. Cloud breakers and tactic come to mind. They don't only rely on numbers and letters. Also the fact that discmania does it only makes it more confusing. The names don't stand out unless you're already a die hard fan of either one.

@Keith-n6o7c 8 месяцев назад

I can honestly say that I have never bought any disc just because a certain player throws it. I don't care who plays for what team since the discs that work for these guys with 600' plus arms is really irrelevant to my game anyway. I don't think a company's team really affects sales as much as people tend to think. The reason I have never bought Prodigy discs is because of their naming convention. Everything being some cryptic alphanumeric code is just confusing to me so I have just never had any interest in their discs due to this.

@ErnoAlias 8 месяцев назад

Their site has an explanation of the disc letters/numbers if that seems cryptic. It's very simple and also the most professional of all the manufacturers when you look a little closer 👍

@OldMan10923 8 месяцев назад

It’s pretty simple. The lower the number the more stable. D=driver F=fairway M=midrange Pa=putt and approach. A=approach. It’s no different than md1 md2 md3 md4 and p1 p2 p3 p3x from discmania that everyone loves.

@zopfii90 8 месяцев назад

Only Prodigy disc I own is from Cale L. lineup. The shadowfax. Thought i throw it like crap and im not a huge fan. Im a local to The Preserve and felt a duty to support my local talent (Cale) cause why not he is an outstanting dude. Other than that Prodigy can kick rocks. Also good luck Gannon.

@joshcallaway3600 8 месяцев назад

trying one disc is hardly enough to get a feel for prodigy plastic

@zopfii90 8 месяцев назад

This may be true but all the negativity that surrounds this manufacturer just leaves a bad taste. Especially the lawsuit with Ganon and other shady stuff they do to other players.

@michaelyahner6695 9 месяцев назад

been throwing Prodigy ironically for just over a year, I actually love the p model s in base grip. I thought it would be funny to rock a whole bag last year amongst the controversy. I’ll be throwing this bag like a misfit/punk next year. sue me

@Picklemedia 8 месяцев назад

I bought five of them at under $6 a disc. I got 30 discs for $200 CAD, most in 400 and 500 Plastics. I am dying them and reselling them. More for us. Brand loyalists are easily manipulated and that suits me just fine.

@craigcollins6514 8 месяцев назад

The way they treat there pros is disgusting!! Pour management on the way they do things. Not saying there products are shitty but watching for years these pros who were there from day one and producing world championships and the company not supporting shows you why ppl don’t run to them.

@JesseJ588 8 месяцев назад

Prodigy is on borrowed time. Great basket selection, but there is nothing special about their discs. Some are great but few cant be replaced by another company.

@tylersonnier1778 8 месяцев назад

cam is back with prodigy? wtf?

@bowebevonius 9 месяцев назад

I gave up Gillette shavers last year, a Prodigy disc is superior 🔪

@momentomoridoth2007 9 месяцев назад

other than the apex bag, I have never owned another prodigy product. the bag is amazing,but I have never heard much in the way of good things from their discs

@CentralPAMountainRiders 9 месяцев назад

That's unfortunate because you're missing out...they're putters are amazing, the m4 midrange in air spectrum plastic has more eagle shots and aces then any other disc I own..you should probably try some for yourself before you take the word of people

@barrypeirson3710 8 месяцев назад

@@CentralPAMountainRiders PA-3 is awesome! My hands are huge though so I have been experimenting with Whale and Faith.

@wildcat31772 8 месяцев назад

i was an early Prodigy user back in 2013. still have a few mint proto discs. The flashing on their new discs has always been brutal, i'm shocked its still a thing last time i went to a disc shop. Their plastic itself is still probably my favorite feeling plastic out of the main manu's. Shame they appear to be shittin the bed.

@OldMan10923 8 месяцев назад

They haven’t had flashing on a disc that’s been produced since 2021

@wildcat31772 8 месяцев назад

@@OldMan10923 uh... the last time i bought a prodigy disc... actually maybe have been in 2021. Or 2022. I can't fully remember as I dont buy discs that often.

@oakmusiccc 8 месяцев назад

@@OldMan10923bruh not true

@coachjordan1717 9 месяцев назад

2:20 sub-par???

@mindful_clip 9 месяцев назад

I love the D1 171g-172g for forehand. But its made in China?

@michaelw6948 8 месяцев назад

Only their ace line discs are being made in china (P model S, etc.)

@liamchasejones 8 месяцев назад

@@michaelw6948That's not true. The Gannon D1's, Gilbert D2's, Luke D3's, H7, A5, MX1, Cale's Lineup, and Kevin's lineup were all originally made in China and shipped over by the masses. Also, the Fx3 and Fx4. I'm sure I'm forgetting even more, but those are the one's off the top of my head.

@michaelw6948 8 месяцев назад

@@liamchasejones I’ve not noticed that on any of the core series discs, but yes I forget about the KJ / Cale lines being made in china too.

@tylers82 9 месяцев назад

The thing about it is Gannon isn’t wrong. Prodigy has had poor disc quality for years. D2’s that flew like a D1 should. D1’s that flip like a D6. Sharp flashing on the underside of the discs. I supported Prodigy for while because I’m a GA resident. After a while I was mainly throwing out of production plastic and it was $40+ every time I lost one. I throw MVP now and it’s not even close how much better MVP is. Side note I still bag an A2. I hope Prodigy turns it around but it won’t be from my wallet

@JinGalactica 9 месяцев назад

I found a Distortion brand new in a used bin and was like shoot, I always wanted to try this disc. You can hate me for complaining, but g*ddamn that disc had an inconsistent flight.

@CentralPAMountainRiders 9 месяцев назад

You really don't like their putters and midrange? I've tried every single disc and found prodigy putters are the most consistent. And the m4 in air spectrum plastic is money...ill def agree though, their d4 drivers suck, and the overstable fairway drivers aren't really all that great.

@ErnoAlias 8 месяцев назад

They have gotten rid of the flashing problem.

@KPrime31 8 месяцев назад

Every single company has the flight issues, molds being more stable, etc. And the flashing is gone with the new molds.

@OldMan10923 8 месяцев назад

The quality was dipping in 2019-2021 but everything since then has been perfect

@earlthomas6295 9 месяцев назад

China made discs is a bad business strategy.

@Picklemedia 8 месяцев назад

Why?

@Picklemedia 8 месяцев назад

Where is your cell phone made LOL😂 90 percent of the things in your home are made in China I can almost guarantee it.

@BenCasperOwens 8 месяцев назад

Di$craft has some of the best flying plastic out there!!! "GO team DI$CRAFT",oh yeah GATEWAY has some great flying plastic too & no not just their putt & approach disc,they do have some great drivers!!!! Thanks & much love to all disc golfers,from Ben Casper Owens #19275 from El Reno Oklahoma!!!!

@OGSook День назад

I cant stand discraft plastics. I keep a buzzz in case i bring a friend who wants to throw one but i havent been impressed. My M4 in 400 plastic is damn near a laser pointer. And my Pa3/Pa5 combo is the most consistent putters ive ever thrown. I could probably cut my entire bag down to a F5, M4, and Pa5 only and never need another disc.