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The Dreaded Triumph Crankshaft End Float! 

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We measured the end float in our Triumph Spitfire and found that it was just out of spec. Since this is a simple repair, and since we had the engine out for work on the gearbox anyway, it seemed like a good time to replace the half thrust washers that maintain that tolerance.
This is a very common problem on a lot of Triumph's engines, including all Spitfires, the TR6, GT6, and a few others. In fact, you should check the end float on these cars before you purchase one... since a failure of the thrust washers can cause damage to the block and crank shaft that isn't easily repaired (if it's possible at all).
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@mikepags
@mikepags Месяц назад
Phenomenal video. I’m a teacher and I couldn’t have done any better myself. So many things were done right with this video. Thanks!
@midwestmotoring
@midwestmotoring Месяц назад
Thanks so much!
@wespryor1322
@wespryor1322 3 года назад
Another superb video. my kingdom for that garage. Thanks for your public service!
@midwestmotoring
@midwestmotoring 3 года назад
Glad you enjoyed it! I'm pretty lucky I was able to talk my wife into letting me have the garage!
@lizzylandy3852
@lizzylandy3852 3 года назад
Very informative.Well done
@midwestmotoring
@midwestmotoring 3 года назад
Thank you!
@davidmack610
@davidmack610 2 года назад
Great video, very helpful, thanks!
@midwestmotoring
@midwestmotoring 2 года назад
I'm happy it helped! Thank you!
@deanriley1284
@deanriley1284 2 года назад
Great video, very helpful. Cheers 👍
@midwestmotoring
@midwestmotoring Год назад
Glad it was helpful!
@dangerman7231
@dangerman7231 2 года назад
Very helpful explanation. I am going to attempt with engine in my 79 midget.
@midwestmotoring
@midwestmotoring 2 года назад
You can do it! Good luck--hopefully everything is in good shape.
@paulbarton7886
@paulbarton7886 3 года назад
very good tutorial, many thanks.
@midwestmotoring
@midwestmotoring 3 года назад
Glad it was helpful!
@JohnSmith-tv5ep
@JohnSmith-tv5ep 6 месяцев назад
Thanks, very informative! Just adds ANOTHER thing to check when I pull the engine! Lol
@midwestmotoring
@midwestmotoring 6 месяцев назад
Definitely check that every time the engine is out--good call. If done correctly, and good oil is used and the engine serviced regularly, it should last you until the next clutch... but then check it again.
@cratecruncher6687
@cratecruncher6687 2 года назад
Very nice video! Just thinking out loud here... You started with 11 thou and added +5 to get a final 8 thou. So the final difference was "about +3". I think I would have tried both oversize bearings just for giggles. With so much tolerance stack-up we can never know what that final outcome would be. It might well have been final 4 thou and within spec. (Anyone who has shimmed valves will tell you the shim you think you need is usually wrong, ha ha. Love your videos amigo.
@midwestmotoring
@midwestmotoring Год назад
It's funny how you can use the same size and get 2 different results. I think I used a micrometer to check the thickness of the bearings and actually found them to be identical. Go figure....
@davidwarr8600
@davidwarr8600 2 года назад
Nice video. I guess that I may have to do my GT6+ soon. When using a torque wrench though it is best to do the torque in two steps and to not stop and start the wrench. Try to complete the torque with one full sweep.
@midwestmotoring
@midwestmotoring Год назад
Great point! One sweep is definitely best, but the key is to reach your torque while the bolt or nut is still turning. There is greater force to overcome when a bolt is stationary.
@jamcdona
@jamcdona 3 года назад
Now I know what a thrust washer is- thanks for that! Question about block draining. I've had the drain plug off once in my 74 TR6, and some sand and rusty water came out. How do you, or can you, flush the block while in the car?
@midwestmotoring
@midwestmotoring 3 года назад
it's difficult to get a really good cleaning without pulling everything apart, but there are a number of coolant flush kits that might help. As for how effective those are against silt that builds up, I'm not sure. The best approach is to pull everything apart such as the water pump, core plugs, drain, etc... and clean everything out that way. That's not as easily done with the engine in the car though.
@cgignac5444
@cgignac5444 3 года назад
Appreciated. Thanks.
@midwestmotoring
@midwestmotoring 3 года назад
You bet! These are kind of fun for me to make, so I'll keep them coming so long as there's time.
@roselh1
@roselh1 3 года назад
Nice job. What sealant did you use on the sump gasket? Thanks.
@midwestmotoring
@midwestmotoring 3 года назад
Thank you! I used a Permatex sealant. I like it because it has the brush in the can. I know Hylomar is very popular as well. The product is probably less important than the amount you use in most cases.
@poppydogz
@poppydogz 2 года назад
I had to scrap a good running 1.3 Spitty engine because the washers had chewed up the crank and block.. Using RTV sealer on gaskets is ok as long has you leave it to set before adding any fluids, never had a problem tbh...
@midwestmotoring
@midwestmotoring Год назад
I don't mind RTV sealer, just too many people glob it on instead of use it properly.
@Brunow007
@Brunow007 2 года назад
Thanks!!
@midwestmotoring
@midwestmotoring Год назад
You bet!
@geoffburrill9850
@geoffburrill9850 2 года назад
I have excessive float on my 1300 cc Spitfire engine and the end of the block has actually worn! How can this be resolved? Cheers.
@midwestmotoring
@midwestmotoring 2 года назад
Unfortunately, if you're at the point of the bearing surface wearing off and the block, caps, or crankshaft being damaged... I think you're stuck taking it to a machine shop to see what can be done. They may be able to add metal and machine a new surface for you, or some other machine shop wizardry. Other than that, you could always try to pick up another block for your engine rebuild. If the end float is too high and has caused damage, it's likely there's damage elsewhere as well. Sorry for the bad news!
@tomhughes9107
@tomhughes9107 2 года назад
Great vid thanks! Can thrust washers on late model TR6 be completed with emgine in situ?
@midwestmotoring
@midwestmotoring 2 года назад
Yes, I believe they can. Just so long as the thrust washers are still in place so that nothing is damaged. If they've fallen into the oil pan it's unfortunately time to pull the crank and rebuild.
@tomhughes9107
@tomhughes9107 2 года назад
@@midwestmotoring Thank you! PO had the thrust washers replaced. I'm just sort of doing due diligence.
@midwestmotoring
@midwestmotoring 2 года назад
@@tomhughes9107 good call. It's relatively easy maintenance but crucial to keeping the engine from blowing up one day!
@Mr1300SKIPPY
@Mr1300SKIPPY 2 года назад
Just to confirm it is indeed feasible in situ, without exceptional complications. I had it done successfully on mine.
@richardanderson4595
@richardanderson4595 4 месяца назад
Please tell me what sort of gasket sealant you're using
@midwestmotoring
@midwestmotoring 4 месяца назад
If memory serves, it's a Permatex product.
@mrchinchim9267
@mrchinchim9267 2 года назад
What are the symptoms of too much float, how would you you know without pulling the engine?
@midwestmotoring
@midwestmotoring 2 года назад
Immediately there will be no symptoms. Too much float means there is slop in the crankshaft movement back and forth. Eventually this will mean the thrust washers will drop into the oil pan, and the crankshaft will grind itself into the engine block, destroying the crank, engine block, or both. It's much better to simply check the movement to see where it's at and if it's within spec you can ignore it for a long while.
@tjm3900
@tjm3900 2 года назад
I have in the past lapped the back (steel side) of a new oversized thrust washer to get an optimal minimal end float. There are also custom thickness solid Bronze thrust washers available. Use caution when you torque the front and rear pan bolts, they are fine thread in an Alloy bridge piece, and it is VERY easy to strip these. Man, it bothers me that you wear that watch when working on engines ;-)
@midwestmotoring
@midwestmotoring 2 года назад
Good points. I also need to make more mentions that a torque wrench should be used wherever there is a spec. I believe the alloy bridge piece is being remade in some of the Triumph engines, and there may be stronger versions available too. As for the watch... that's my "garage watch" these days. The stainless band is already a little scratched up anyway and it cleans easily. The Hamilton with the leather band doesn't go near grease or oil if I can avoid it! It's best to leave the watch on the dresser of course, but I can't stand to not have one on unless I'm sleeping. Are you a watch guy too?
@tjm3900
@tjm3900 2 года назад
No ! While I appreciate a nice watch I tend to get obsessed with time, so if I am working on something important I do not want to be governed by the time it takes to do it right. OK, I know it is likely just me, but it has got to be, not knowing what the time is, is a luxury :-)
@georgeastbury9821
@georgeastbury9821 2 года назад
Good video. Pretty sure the rear washer came out facing the wrong way, that would explain the bad wear.
@midwestmotoring
@midwestmotoring Год назад
Great point!
@jimgow4991
@jimgow4991 2 года назад
Are you saying that the coolant needs to be drained to change the thrust washers?
@midwestmotoring
@midwestmotoring 2 года назад
Hi Jim, no not necessarily. It does need to be drained if you're pulling the engine as I did. When just pulling the oil pan from underneath though, you can leave the coolant alone and just drain the oil.
@Tortuga6able
@Tortuga6able 3 года назад
So what would happen if you went below 4 thousands of an inch?
@midwestmotoring
@midwestmotoring 3 года назад
I haven't tried it, but the idea behind the clearance is that after everything warms up you need enough room for oil to flow between the thrust washer and the crank shaft. The oil creates a barrier and prevents metal on metal contact, so without the minimum clearance, there's a danger you'd quickly destroy the thrust washers and crankshaft. The maximum clearance then would be the opposite problem. Too much room and the oil won't be effective. This could also cause a drop in oil pressure, and if the thrust washers are worn too thin they might drop out of position altogether. Either way, staying within the specs is wise. I hope that helps! Great question!
@hotttt28
@hotttt28 13 дней назад
Where can I get that parts tray you use for gearbox overhaul !
@midwestmotoring
@midwestmotoring Час назад
I think I may have answered you in a different comment, but I think it came from here: www.jdoqocy.com/click-101203753-14053814
@1clay1999
@1clay1999 2 года назад
Your info is right on except when you pulled the oil pan you should have pulled the oil pan in the right up position. to keep any stuff / sludge from being dump in the rest of the engine once engine oil pan is off then turn the engine over.. it will surprise you the amount of stuff you'll find in the bottom of an oil pan
@midwestmotoring
@midwestmotoring 2 года назад
That's a good call. Thanks for the comment!
@hotttt28
@hotttt28 13 дней назад
Hello ,is the 6 gearbox roughly the same Rebuild wise ?
@midwestmotoring
@midwestmotoring Час назад
More or less, yes. The circlip is more difficult to take off without the proper tool, and the layshaft comes apart in pieces instead of being a 1-piece machined part. The bell housing also doesn't come off. Other than that, they're pretty similar.
@hotttt28
@hotttt28 13 дней назад
Awesome
@midwestmotoring
@midwestmotoring Час назад
Thank you! It's been a fun thing making these videos. Now if I only had more time to edit video I could put out more!
@alecjefferson6993
@alecjefferson6993 2 года назад
Should have left main bearing cap bolts in and used them to pull the bearing cap off !! Not a lever 👎damage You can check end float with bearing cap off when putting cup back on put shell locking tabs the same side I worked at the Standard Triumph 60-70-80. You did a lot of waffling !! Confusing 🇬🇧🇬🇧
@midwestmotoring
@midwestmotoring 2 года назад
You're absolutely correct, and I apologize for doing it at all, let alone leaving that in the final edit. For the life of me, I can't figure out why I would have been quite that careless. I appreciate the comment!
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