The Drinker Recommends... Shogun 

They are not diverse

@@frankie3010 Nor should they be.

According to the left Asians are too white to be diverse. Also, the show is not diverse in a normal sense of the word either. And that's how it should be.

@@frankie3010exactly, what little diversity existed in history looked like this. Not at all like what you see in modern historical documents and movies, especially in Europe and asia.

@@frankie3010Because it don't fit into the American view of what race is? The most diverse show ever was made 20 years ago and started with a plane crash.

That scene in Last Samurai where they fight the Imperial Army. They're getting ready for the charge and my boy just spits blood in disgust has been stuck in my head for 20 years

Even 47 Ronin, lol. I know that movie is clowned on but I actually really liked it. Guess it's just a guilty pleasure?

@@sexistspaghettios 47 Ronin was a good movie.

He's got over 200 movies in his career. He was even in everything from 70's martial arts movies to the Japanese Ring to the Avengers.

ive read this exact comment on another shogun video a week ago wtf

Well put, I think this encapsulates a good portion of why I find this series so refreshing. The culture clash is presented extremely well, and creates so many enjoyable and engaging scenes without trying to obnoxiously tell you one is right or wrong. It's not something many series have been able to pull off for a long time now, too many show runners feel some weird duty to try and insert the 'correct' interpretation of a cultural interaction because it's unfortunately a sensitive subject in the modern day, and it always takes me out of the moment especially in historical series or movies.

Toranagaaaaa!!!

but that itself is a stereotypically western view of 16th century japan.

@@reiszrie it’s stereotypically western because it’s accurate.

​@@reiszrie It's an accurate view.

Agree. Even first scene at gate was excellent.

I second this

This series is based on a book that was written like 30+ years before the last Samurai was ever conceived lol. In fact the Last samurai pretty much used everything from the book but moved forward a few hundred years in time.

Shogun: "Who do you think built all this?"

Shogun: 'Hold my saki'.

Shogun: Challenge accepted.

@@Glenuig There is something to be said for the directness of the The Last Samurai.

The guy's basically a Japanese Peter Jackson in terms of attention to detail. Which is very high praise in my book. Holy moly. Oh yes, this is interesting.

That is awesome. I noticed some of these things on the show, looks amazing and everything they do is with a purpose

This is why Hollywood should be focused on taking their time on specific and historical content, rather than spewing out shit hero nonsense. We don't need superheroes, we need to learn HISTORY. Because, and I can GUARANTEE YOU THIS. History is infinitely more interesting, has more depth, and carries more weight than anything fictional Hollywood can currently generate.

A quick search on Google will inform you that they spent at most 6 years making this... a far more reasonable amount of time.

it's a show or a film?

RIP Mariko :( Amazingly strongly written female character.

Well Hollywood made Shogun so taking notes are not needed

@chriskoschik391 My favorite. 🙌🏻

@@BlahMcJones me too. You don’t have to be an 80 pound woman throwing 300 lb guys around to be a strong woman. Strength is shown in many, many forms and Mariko was a stone cold badass til the end. She won this war for Toranaga without ever swinging a weapon.

@@chriskoschik391 True, thats where i started hating Blue eyed samurai. Well animated show but how mizu a 65 kg girl slicing 90 kg guys with no effort was something terrible to watch. I know its an animation but adapting story from real events and fucking up the fundamental thing of the anime was something terrible to watch.

In how quickly it dropped off?

The Catholic this Protestant that stuff at the start was extremely tiring. Must have said it 15 times. Glad they let that go

@@aightm8bro it’s literally the foundation of a global conflict at this point in history. It’s not gonna “just be let go”

@@Ellebeeby It doesn't matter, it was written in poorly. Too repetitive and too frequent in the first episode. It was already let go, past tense. The writing improved after the first episode.

He's pretty good though lighter than in the book. He didn't get offended much at being offered a man in the show, in the book he nearly gets killed due to being so offended.

That explains a lot. We need more competent writers like this in Hollywood.

He also wrote "Counterpart" which was amazing.

Is she hot?

This makes so much more sense

@@SierraSierraFoxtrot That is a hard word, I'm impressed

Sanada is great in everything. A man of real charisma

Sanada is ok but in 80 s show you have one amazing presence of Toshirô Mifune,which ofc nailed that part..way better Tokugava then Sanada ..

Sanada carries the show in a manner quite similar to how Sean Bean carried GoT in season 1.

Exactly. That is what the book was praised for. In fact it was required reading by scholars for students to understand that time period of Japanese history

I'm waiting for the awards

White saviour. We seen these before.

​@@Beautyofanime1 Did you watch the series or read the book, because no, the protagonist is more recognizable for his blunders than saving anyone.

@kylehansbrockmann848 1. White guy comes to oreign land to learn there ways. 2. White guy falls and bangs the hot native chick. Her mam angry (usually). 3. The give him weapon/sword. And no I'm talking about avatar, last samurai or dance with wolves and so many more. Same house different location.

@Beautyofanime1 You're so wrong it isn't even funny. I can tell you didn't watch it. Keep that narrative going strong, bud.

@@Beautyofanime1 brain dead take.

My dad showed me the series during the end of 80s/beginning of 90s. Since that time we ALWAYS referenced to it: "Hai, anjin-san" etc Fantastic series, great memories.

Glad it's not just me then.🙂

The original was the best 👍

The Toshiro Mifune/ Richard Chamberlain "Shogun" is very good. I remember it fondly. The gentleman playing Lord Toranaga in this adaptation has the daunting task of playing a role done by a master. The book is very good too, but it is very thick and starts slowly. I started trying to read it at the age of twelve, but only finished it after the third attempt, as it only becomes gripping at about page 280 (of 1200 and some for the edition that I read). James Clavell wrote bricks of literature. "Taipan" is set in the Opium Wars leading to the founding of Hong Kong as a British possession. "Whirlwind" is set during the the fall of the Shah of Iran and the Islamic Revolution. Both are good books. I have not read "King Rat".

The original holds up, but sadly I can only find a somewhat abridged version on the internet and not the full show. I like the actor who Yabu in the original, he just looks so much the part of a conniving toadie. The actor in the new one looks too cool.

He's a very good writer.

His best book imo. The whole series is good.

if that novel doesn't make you love Japanese culture, nothing will. It is an ode to Japan and its history. I loved it from start to finish

I think they are sticking to the source material really well! Shogun is one of my favorite books

​@@irkanorphyn Shogun was the best, followed by Tai Pan and King Rat.

Shogun isn't a foreign series. It was made by hollywood.

I’ve found myself watching and liking lots of foreign material this last year. And I had never used to watch anything foreign.

​@@Loathsome_LynxAll the actors are foreign tho and the guy who wrote Top Gun Maverick is the showrunner

@@Loathsome_Lynx Oh, thanks. But my point still stands.

It's really more of joint production.

You should watch the original one. This one is disappointing.

@@krzysztofkukwa190 there is literally nothing that could have said "don't watch the original one" more than your comment

Such a great show, such amazing actors. The books go into so much more detail and depth of character development, in that they tell actual inner thoughts of the characters you see acting onscreen. That these actors could convey much of it without that exposition, though, is a great feat of acting. I hope this show wins all the awards it deserves.

I agree. Especially that scene in e9 where Mariko faces off with the soldiers. It is all about her making a point. Not about kicking ass.

Spoilers dude, spoilers!!!

@@MrHarumakiSenseiits like spoiling the end of titanic xD

Yea. I was just about to ask if this was based on that James Clavell's thick book.. And apparently it is. Thanks!

@@MrHarumakiSensei edited to remove spoilers! Thought it was common knowledge.

The video game Nioh also took inspiration from William Adams.

this cant be true, there are no minority lesbian Samauri how can you enjoy this racist homo phobe show?

Yep, only good thing I’ve seen on television in awhile

Exactly, I highly recommend watching the original tv miniseries via a streaming portal like Fmovies and then watch Tokyo Vice!

Don't tell em about the old man😢😮

That's only because everything else is so terrible, like winning the special olympics. Objectively it is not very good and not true to the original, or the culture.

Concur. Read the book many years ago.

Did the book help you gain a better insight into modern japanese culture?

@@richnolan4280 Gave me some insight, of course things have changed. Generally speaking, Japan has always been a crowded place. To achieve privacy ( alone time/peace ) you go inside your mind. Extreme politeness was used in attempt to diffuse conflict . Of course, it only works some of the time. I read the book in the late 70's, been a while.

If you are a fan of the book, I think that you will be a little disappointed in the series. There are a lot of deviations - some work - some do not.

@@wimpymcsteel4458 I have very much enjoyed the series so far. Pretty much the same story. Few differences. Really like the cinematography.

Your coverage of shogun has been great, I’m glad more channels are starting to discover it. Looking forward to your ep 5 review.

THE ASHIKAGA SHOGUNATE HAS RULED FROM KYOTO FOR 200 HUNDRED YEARS!

". . . a breath of fresh air in a sea of shyte." Ah, somebody who understands how to use words.

Decided to stream the movie myself - before watching this new series. First, I think they begin the movie in 1980's version in the middle of the actual story; so I appreciated seeing Blackthorn land rather than the buffoonish dance he teaches the Lord in the movie. Second - the movie focus' REALLY hard (and apparently so does the book) on building up the Love Interest between Blackthorn & Mariko, who plainly states that she is married. She also - and I think this is a massive missed opportunity in both the book and the movie - states the ONLY way she can be with Blackthorn (after it's clear she really wants to be) is IF her husband dies. At one point it's actually not clear that he hasn't. In the show I've read it's heavily implied that she sleeps with him. [In the movie it's presented to be someone else - though it's not clear if it was Fuji, and I would've preferred it be frankly, since she's SUPPOSED to be his consort, and that should have been part of the deal] The sticking point for me was by the end of the movie; and to the end of the book... that love story goes nowhere. The author simply does not let it. There is a point in all possible spoilers where Blackthorn does ask for her hand from their lord... and gets denied. For what reason? There's no chance Lord doesn't know what the hell is up between her and hubby. If he values her that much and respects Blackthorn or values him as much as is built up, it shouldn't have been a problem. * There's also no mention of kids between them in the movie. So I don't know why Mariko suddenly has a son, and Blackthorn has two of his own. That's just random. Not necessary, and further on will add nothing to the problem of the love story that this book SHOULD have been. I get it's called Shogun, but for two so centrally set characters to get pushed to the side and screwed that badly - in the movie at one point the audio makes it fairly insinuated she's being "coitused non consensually" shall we say. because RU-vid doesn't like certain words... and she literally admits to Blackthorn she's NEVER let her husband do it consensually - it's just not very palatable to me. There was a point they were involving Chritian and Catholic religion in the story, but it's weird to me that Lord would behave so Til Death Do You Part. Especially given some of the philosophy, and exactly how chop happy they were if you screwed up. Anything. If there was supposed to be such difference between cultures shown, one would think the story would be better served to let the Lord's word on it be the end of. In a better way than it was. Or straight up... Husbando definitively DIES. Problem solved. (Yes, I know these characters were based on real people, but the author is allowed some creative liberties - I did look up the character Bios, and I had to look up the end to the movie because when I watched it the last three minutes were cut out and it was nowhere near a viable end to the actual tale) Overall, still going to watch it. However I would warn for people thinking there's gonna be some epic romance here; you're going to be heavily disappointed. Also find it funny that Hollywood is so dead for new IP that they're cannibalizing a book that was turned into a TV series, then turned into a movie, just to turn it BACK into a TV series. With as far as I can see, slightly more detail added. At this point Shogun is less ground beef than it is mystery meat. Refried, refried beans. ; )

You saved the best statement for last. It's pathetic that the entertainment industry has such little creativity in it's ranks that they can't create anything original. With that being said, the romance between Blackthorn and Mariko is a romance that is displayed in nothing but raw emotion. The relationship never becomes physical. In both the 1980's version and this one the closest the two make it to joining physically is Mariko putting her perfume and kimono on Blackthorn's consider to truck him into thinking it's Mariko. She knew Anjin would've never willing just slept with his construct because he loved Mariko. Likewise, the only time Mariko experiences the physical act of a relationship is violently which is a direct representation of the culture if Japan in that time. The last point the book made ever so suddenly throughout the entire story is that Blackthorn, no matter how best efforts, would never leave Japan. And he never did. Sometimes he seemed to find a small measure of happiness that would allow him to accept his fate that he would never leave but there was always a piece of his heart trying to get back to his own country if for only his been but fate would never allow him.

Indeed, I recently saw him in Bullet Train and thought he was one of the standouts. He doesn't have a huge role, but his presence still adds a lot to the movie.

@@marychocolatefairy Same. We just watched Bullet Train and as always Sanadas' presence is crazy.

He was the best part of steaming pile of shit named Mortal Kombat, in 2021. Perfect cast as Scorpion and had the only good fight scenes.

47 Ronin

I also liked him in John Wick 4

I never warmed to Richard Chamberlain and he never seemed to make an effort to speak Japanese either - just domo over and over again :(

I read that he'd said he wouldn't be part of it if they didn't treat the history of the period properly, or tried to modernize it for (insert Drinker quote) "modern audiences".

It's not just that. Read the Variety article about the making of the show, published last month. It's long but worthwhile. Basically they wrote a progressive script at first (with their all-female writer's room) and then had to throw the entire thing out when their Japanese advisor said she couldn't offer them script notes because No one in 17th century Japan would think or act in such a way that was depicted in the script. So credit to them, they humbled themselves and started from scratch, with authenticity first. And promoted Sanada to producer. The pandemic also robbed them of the authentic Japanese locations that the 1980 miniseries had. That's a shame. Because although this works well enough, you can still tell that it is Canada trying to be Japan. Overall though I am happy that they went from one cultural advisor to four, and added in so much detail. I can only imagine how terrible that first script was.

@@caomhan84 Whoa, no way! They actually listened to reason and humbled themselves enough to do that?! Never thought I'd see the day.

I'll have to dig that out. That's great to read, and it shows it was worth doing. @@caomhan84

You're 100% correct. What makes this series so profound is that every, single word has meaning; every look, every voice inflection is so important to the characters and the plot.

Bot.

No.

It really is fucking good. Glad it's getting more lip service. It' 10 episode miniseries of a book thats been done. So it *shouldn't* have a GoT-esque finale.

@@GigglingStoners : Oh? why not?

Yes ​@@GigglingStoners

@@justabill5780Heard some writers from Rings of Power are involved.

Stay safe🙏👍

I suggest Metatron's video here on youtube, which analyzes the historical accuracy.They did the research. they cared, and it shows.

@@havocgr1976It was a pleasant surprise to see him so happy and bubbly, talking about the things a production got right for once lol

some reactors actually complained that the battle in ep 3 wasn't "action packed". they were expecting hollywood style sword fights, not one two slash, you're dead.

@petriew2018 thank you, you have convinced me it is worth having a look at

Great comment

That scene was phenomenal. Made me anxious as hell

Shame the ending hinted at another 'strong' female character bossing around men.

dont forget map of the world scene

Soo. fcuking boring. Fawning over Japanese etiquette . More happened in 2 episodes of Thrones S1 than has happened in 5 episodes of this. We get it, the Japs have a lot of foibles and the English guy is undisciplined by comparison. GET ON WITH IT FFS.

@@Mopantsu You've apparently never read the novel. Also Japan had quite a few empress regents, they didn't get there by being weak.

Yeah, the original miniseries is dope. Whole thing shot in Japan, with Japanese actors. Instead of subtitles, you feel what it’s like to be Anjin by not understanding what’s going on (unless you speak Japanese). That’s something that makes that old show more intriguing to me. And Mariko, who is cunning, has a graceful delicacy to her in the old show, as opposed to this girl boss in the new show.

@@JamalBlakk How is she a girl boss in the current adaption?

As update, I did binge-watch old Shogun. Loved it.

@@Rabbithole8 She's just very modern. Compare her acting with the actress playing Usama Fuji or the 1980s Mariko. Sawai's performance has no layers and doesn't feel very culturally Japanese.

@@AndSendMe I didn't ask you about your views on Sawai's take on Mariko. I asked JamalBlakk how she is a "girl boss." I suspect you haven't even stepped foot in Japan. Why don't you come to Japan and live here for over a decade and also ask Japanese friends and family what their take is on the character regarding the cultural feel. As far as, your assessment of Sawai's performance, statements that include terms such as "layers' are things people say to justify criticism about acting. I simply can state her performance is layered. Now what? Give me an example.

Sanada was a key actor in "The Last Samurai". I don't see how he allowed the movie to be an incorrect portrayal.

@@mikegriffin8403 Think: actor = NOT producer. Actor = does what they're told. Producers = do other things, including, erhm... producing i.e. actually having a say in what's being made ? Tell me if you need a drawing, or a Power Point Presentation with that ?

@@mikegriffin8403He might have gone in thinking the movie was going to be more accurate. And on a surface level, the use of actual Japanese locations/language might have made it seem that way. Especially while they were filming it. But a lot can happen between filming and post production. Last Samurai feels very much like some CEO or producer saw the first cut of the film and went "this won't be relatable to a western audience. Put more focus on Tom Cruise and the romance story in post."

@@ThumperooYour arrogance reveals you as a libtard. don't contend the "Last Samurai" was a documentary. For example, "Tom Cruise's character in The Last Samurai isn't based on the true story of an American soldier but is inspired by the real history of a French Army officer named Jules Brunet. In 1866, Brunet was sent to Japan to train military forces and ultimately fought in the Boshin War after refusing orders to return home. In 1867, military dictator Tokugawa Yoshinobu resigned, leading to the end of a Shogun-centric world in Japan and spurring the Meiji Restoration under the 14-year-old Emperor Meiji." The Last Samurai's timeline is mostly accurate to the true story of history. When Algren arrives in Japan, the real-life Brunet would also have been arriving to train Japanese soldiers. Also, according to historians, the costumes and overall productions are spot-on. In general, The Last Samurai's premise is historically accurate. Japan was undergoing major cultural changes during the late 1860s, and the Emperor was indeed regarded as a "living God." In the span of a decade, rebels fought to retain the old way of life but were ultimately defeated. Incidentally, samurai culture ended with the failed Satsuma Rebellion, and the right to wear a katana sword in public was abolished. And so, five percent of the Japanese population - samurais - were forced to adapt. In real life, various events unfolded over a decade, but for pacing purposes, The Last Samurai has an organic feel, almost like it is taking place within a short period. screenrant.com/last-samurai-movie-true-story-algren-jules-brunet/

You're not seriously trying to tell us the Last Samurai was historically accurate, are you?

im here@Deadpool-mk7so

Would it not be more accurate to say Games of Thrones is Shogun in a mythical fantasy land? James Clavell died before Game of Thrones was written.

@Deadpool-mk7so yeah we're sure it is

Lengii is the Japan of ASOIAF word. Could be great some Spin-off story from here.

I actually think Season 6 of GoT is my favorite season.

Ditto here 😀

Yup!

Yep, really enjoyed the book and teh series back then.

I echo all your sentiment, but I have to add that although this Cosmo Jarvis is a decent actor, Richard chamberlain is much more of everything in comparison.

It seems there is a lot of Mariko fighting in these clips, so how badly did they butcher her character?

The original series is outstanding. Looking at the clips for this new one, I'd say the old one is more faithful to the book. Hey, it's Netflix.

FX@@SeanFication

My grandpa served in the army during WWII and was an anti-aircraft gunner stationed in the Philippines. Shogun was his favorite novel, I know he read it 8 or 9 times during his life.

@@SeanFication The TV series you refer to came out in 1980, and obviously there were certain standards etc that TV had to adhere to as there were pretty much (in the UK anyway) only 3 channels (yes, 3 !!!). As I was only 10 at the time, I obviously didn't get to watch it but I remember there being a bit of hoo-ha over it and I watched it much later on and it was a great production for it's time (like Tenko etc). Adaptations of books will always be very subjective as the reader of a book has a world created in their own mind of how it should look etc, and not everyone's mind is the same (the world would be very boring and probably the human race would be dead if they were). It's the TV producers and the directors job to try and picture an amalgamation of all those worlds to try and best describe the words on the pages visually - not an easy task. And as they say, you can please some of the people all the time, you can please all the people some of the time, but you can't please all the people all of the time. It is what it is, and this series so far (I've watched all 5 episodes) I imagine pleases some of the people all the time - which I think is it's best outcome. That's all I've got for today, so go away now x 🙂

They didn't mess it up, although they certainly had to abridge a sizeable portion of the novel's story, primarily by playing down some of the political intrigue. It feels very authentic Japanese, and they don't spoonfeed you by watering down the culture or the language. They were quite resourceful in having the Japanese characters actually speak Japanese the whole time, but still let us understand what's going on. We get to experience learning the culture and even some Japanese words and phrases along with Blackthorne---wakarimasu ka? And the legendary Orson Welles narrates at just the proper times without dominating the show or us having to read endless English subtitles slapped onto the lower screen.

Idk man i liked ring of power, sure there are problems with it but i didn't read the books and if i compare with other fantasy shows or most of the stuff that comes it s very enjoying for me

In the first 15 minutes of the show… Osaka was referred to as a “shithole” which wasn’t said by anyone in that matter for 100+ years after that age.. and then in blackthorns speach he uses shitsmelling and shit picking in the same speach every other word in the show is shit this and shit that the novel isn’t like that… and this isn’t to say the writing is bad it’s just lazy where it doesn’t draw directly from the source material and also this isn’t a problem with the writing but in the first episode when the priest finds out about blackthorns writings blackthorn with his hands tied together reaches for something to kill the priest who draws a gun and tells him go up on deck and look at Japan he walks up with his hands tied now behind his back…

@@shwix6534well the problems with the source material aren’t the issue the writing is terrible “the sea is always right”

@@shwix6534and that’s because most stuff that comes out today is absolutely shit so comparing shit to shit some shit is better than the other shit but it’s all still shit

​@@shwix6534same. I don't get the hate

The fact it's set in Japan kinda sucks for me though.

​@sincerelynotme3522 why?

@@sincerelynotme3522 bye Felicia

@Loathsome_Lynx Not interested in old Japan. I find old Egypt, Rome, and China far more interesting.

​@sincerelynotme3522 then watch Rome (HBO)

Well Buntaro in real history (Hosokawa Tadaoki) is known to have severe temper issues (he killed 36 of his own retainers once) but also extremely competent if one were to overlook his flaws. I'd even wager that that sword was the same one he killed his own retainers with, the legendary Kasen Kanesada.

He was superb in Hideo Nakata's Ring. His acting sold the sheer terror at the end of that film in a scene that easily could have been silly if it was not as well acted.

He's great in all these roles but now he's dangerously close to getting typecast

Tai Pan was, in fact adapted into a TV movie / miniseries, with Bryan Brown playing the lead (back in the early 90's I believe).

Clavell's Shogun is to Japan as Jennings' Aztec is to Mexico. Both are towering works of quality historical fiction which illustrate both cultures in detail.

Yes the "Tai Pan" adaptation exists, though it could have been a lot better. And "Noble House" was made into a mini-series starring Pierce Brosnan. I am enjoying the new series, except for Mariko who reads more like a California Girl than a 1600s Japanese lady. However if you haven't seen the 1980 production, you are cheating yourself. Seems like practically no one putting out rave reviews for the new show has either read the novel or seen the original series.

Important parts of this 2024 adaptation have been modified from the original story, and some of it for obviously woke reasons.

Since you have read the novel, I want to ask you and anyone who has also read the book: What´s your opinion on episode 5? The last one. They deviated big time from the book. SPOILERS AHEAD. In the book, Ochiba never had enough power to boss the regents. But in the final minutes of the episode she just bossed Ishido like he was a random dude. Ishido is the most powerful guy in Japan, it´s nuts that Ochiba talked to him like that. Of course she has some leeway with him because she is also important, but not enough to be at the same level of power as him or any regent. Also, in the book, when they get back to the village, Toranga or Yabu (can´t remember) issues a decree, saying that If Blackthorne fails to learn japanese and other important stuff, the village and it´s people were going to get killed. This puts a tremendous big weight on John´s shoulders, which lead him to demand Yabu to eliminate the decree. When faced with Yabu´s denial of his request, he decides to commit suicide by stabbing himself in front of them (Yabu, Omi, Mariko and a minor character). Omi stops him just in time, but Anjin was so determined to kill himself, that he enters a sort of trance preparing to be dead, it was masteful written. When Blackthrone snapped out of it and realise he was still alive, he felt like he was reborned, and had a better understanding about karma and the japanese culture. This was a before and after in John Blackthorne´s story, it was the start of his new life. But in the show, they skipped this altogheter, and I can´t imagine a reason to do this. I still have hopes that this happens in the next episode, even tho it should have happen in episode four. It would be such a big mistake to scrach that moment. Anyways, what´s your take?

I'm pretty sure he likes doing them too, the only problem is that movies or shows have to be actually good in order to do so

I also really enjoy the "Drinker recommends". I hope Hollywood keeps letting him do them.

I hadn't seen a 'recommends' video in awhile, was afraid these were going away. Glad to see another one, keep them coming!

Same

Amen!

Yeah, I stumbled across it a while back and was surprised by how good it was. Second season wasn't quite so good, but it still great overall. Ended up reading a load of Conn Iggulden's Ghengis Khan series off the back of it.

Netflix only cancels the good stuff and renews the bad stuff, while increasing their prices and wonders why people constantly complain about that.

@@zuriyel5368 The good stuff is expensive and offends their social sensibilities, and people tend to only complain (not quit), so they don't care.

​@@duncanhamilton5841 weird i thought season 1 wasnt great, but season 2 improved upon it. Either way real shame they cancelled it.

It was very expensive to make - that's why Netflix cancelled it. It is also high quality - one of the best Netflix originals (back when almost all of them were great).

My favorite part of the 80s series was when blackthorne becomes disgusted with his own men in the "nighttime" establishment.

@@rhetorical1488 Kind of a precursor to the scene where he threatens to commit seppuku if the village is held accountable for him not learning "enough" of the language. "tonight Angin-san your soul is japanese"

I must get back to Nioh and finish it.

When I read the book, I had the pleasure of not knowing how it was going to turn out for Toranaga. All these comments need big spoiler warnings edited in at the top.

Why ruin the show like this?

Still a better portrayal of William Adams than The Last Samurai.

I mean I think knowing the historical context makes it cooler, Taiko being Hideyoshi and Akiko being the daughter of "Mitsuhide" and her family is hated for having betrayed "Nobunaga".

Nioh

Tokyo Revengers 1 and 2, and Kingdom 1, 2 and 3.

I agree, Tokyo Vice i feel goes a little under the radar but really good but Shogun truly is must see T.V.

She was trying to be killed. Read the book.

@@perniciouspete4986 Yes. But what part of that makes his comment any less true? Actress Moeka Hoshi is absolutely adorable , and Usami's way of trying to get herself killed can be considered pretty badass.

​@@perniciouspete4986but she was also doing her duty. She might have acted as loyally as she did anyway.

@@perniciouspete4986 oh yeah, she really did. Wish the scene ended with her bringing out the swords to him. Wouldn't be proper to see a Hatamoto without swords neh?

What "old traditional sacred values"? Not that I disagree with the sentiment, but this is such a weird and religious way of talking about what we, today, consider a "good" story.

No need for another Shogun when Taipain is sitting there waiting for its own adaptation. In normal times, a redo of King Rat might work as well but not in today's woke world.

@@ktall6749 Nah, this show proves why there needed to be a new Shogun.

If he's too young to know that, how come he mentions "the 1980 adaptation" at 0:54 ?

Not to mention Toshiro Mifune (Toranaga) and John Rhys Davies (Rodrigues). Loved the book. Loved the original series. Fearing having to subscribe to Disney to watch this well-recommended remake.

The 1980’s version was truly awesome. I loved that it didn’t have sub-titles, we had to learn what was going on at the same time as Blackthorne based on what Mariko was translating or someone else was telling him. Which gave a totally different experience.

And narrated by Orson Welles. His voice added so much gravitas to the series.

Thanks! I watched it twice and missed that both times.

There was a black samurai who arrived in Japan before the character that Blackthorne is based on. His name was Yasuke, and he became a very high ranking bodyguard of Japan's greatest warlord. Apparently, theyre trying to make a movie about his story

​@plr2473 at this point, I don't care if he is historically accurate or not, I won't watch it. I'm sick of seeing the bastards everywhere and being forced to, not only approve of them, but like them. The forced diversity could not have had a more opposite effect on me.

@@plr2473 If that really happened, there should be a movie about it.

@@surferdude4487 an assasins creed game is being created based on that samarai. All set in Japan.

@@plr2473 we don't give a rats ass about your afro we wuz fantasies. he was a slave on a portuguese ship, that was kept around as a pet ornament.

That’s not always a good thing though.

And Tolkien's grandson was Executive Producer of Rings of Power... Family ties are meaningless unless they actually have respect for the family member's work.

@@Fardawg Michaela Clavell is known to be very protective of her father's work. Especially Shogun because much of what James Clavell learned about the oriental mindset was gleaned from his time in Changi after being taken prisoner by the Japanese in 1942.

Except the contact wearing armenian.

Granted, it is told from Blackthorne's POV, and he's biased.

Wait seriously?? We learn in Brasil that Tordesillas was a "dividing the world" thing. I guess I should've expected that, as we are conditioned to hate the Portuguese in school...

Of course Tordesillas divided the world to be split up between Portugal and Spain.

'Spheres of influence' great powers have used the term a lot it sounds benign but doesn't always turn out that way for lesser powers within those spheres .

​@@Pinky.Meerkathow utterly ridiculous. Most of you are Portuguese. Granted, mixed with a bunch of shit. Majority Portuguese ancestry just the same.