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THE EARLY "SHORT" CONSTELLATIONS Part 1: The L-049, Its Flawed History, and My Bizarre Encounter 

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Here we provide rare coverage of the Lockheed C-69/L-049 Constellation. This aircraft disappeared from the skies so long ago we are unavoidably handicapped by lack of engine sound. However, we've done some things that we hope will at least make up for part of this deficiency.
Our follow-on Part 2 release will cover the next "Short" Constellation that was produced, the L-749/C-121A. This will get us back on track with direct, full and accurate engine audio.
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@davef.2329
@davef.2329 Год назад
As a kid in Miami, in the early days of "corrosion corner" and having an Eastern Airlines dad who instilled in us kids the distinctly different sounds of each airplane/engine combo. I vividly remember the very distinct sound of the early short Connies with the front-exhaust engines coupled to the original very slender prop blades. The only Connie that made an "obnoxious" sound.
@AeroDinosaur
@AeroDinosaur Год назад
Thanks for the input! Into our database it goes. I would have loved to have remembered the obnoxious sound of that Duplex Cyclone engine in an 049.
@albertjones1386
@albertjones1386 Год назад
In your opening, you seem to indicate that the Constellation was developed and built during WW2 as the C69 for the US Army Air Force which was then later to because the L049. I have a copy of a book called "Lockheed Constellation" by Stringfellow and Bowers that states that Lockheed was already working at designs that lead to the L049 as early as 1938. The driving force was TWA and it's major player Howard Hughes and Jack Frye, who was President of TWA. It was these people who set up the parameters of the L049. TWA placed a firm order of 9 planes in 1940 increased to 40. It was in early 1941 that the Army started take the commercial planes right off the production line and changed the plane's designation to C69 and C69A. All told, the Army took the planes from both TWA and Pan Am.
@AeroDinosaur
@AeroDinosaur Год назад
Everything you say is accurate. I was just using "World War II" as a general timeframe. My understanding is that most of the early aircraft that first flew during WWII were conceived and saw their initial designs in the late 1930's, including the L-49/049 with Hughes/Frye as a collaborators. The 1930's version of the "paper" Constellation and mockup was called the "Excalibur" as you saw in the Stringfellow/Bowers book and did not look like the prototype. Thanks for watching!
@DavidRLentz
@DavidRLentz Год назад
Thanks.
@rileysteve
@rileysteve 4 года назад
I believe I have photos of Star of Geneva taken at FLL in the summer of 1988. It was on the ramp not far from an FBO on the south side of the airport. There was an executive L14 in good condition parked near it. And a pile of RR Conways stacked under one wing. I will try to scan and send them to you.
@AeroDinosaur
@AeroDinosaur 4 года назад
Thanks, Steve, I would certainly be interested in scans if you can locate the photos. Sources are actually conflicting as to when Star of Geneva was scrapped, anywhere from 1986 to 1990, or it may have been incrementally sliced up over that period of years. Looks like you saw an interesting assortment of stuff scattered around it. My e-mail is j.reed3930@sbcglobal.net. Very kind of you to offer your photos. Also good to hear from another radial "sound technician" like me.
@DavidRLentz
@DavidRLentz Год назад
Thank you, Mr. Reed. Years past had I built Heller's 1:72nd-scale kit of the Lockheed L-49 Constellation Passenger Airliner. I could not determine its accuracy, though to my untrained, myopic eyes, it looked presentable. The reputation of Heller kits was the crudeness of their details. I therefore wanted to avoid the struggle of representing accurately a natural metal finish. Round that time, I also developed an interest in model kits of U.S. military transports. For these two factors together, I decided to build this kit as a model of the Lockheed C-69 Constellation USAAF Transport, in Olive Drab over Neutral Grey. This I expected would camouflage some of the kits inadequacies. This was not my first encounter with this elegant aircraft: years prior, as a small boy whilst shopping with my mother and siblings, I saw the biggest airplane that I had seen! I obviously did not know what it was. For my circumstances, I could recognise, and decades on still could recall, enough of its distinctive profile and features generically to identify it as a Lockheed Constellation; of course, I would not have been able to distinguish a specific variant; this derives both from my inexperience in life, and my inability from perhaps two kilometres' distance even to see the relevant features, let alone to mark them for their significance. I infer from the circumstances that it had been a passenger plane, in its ascent at a modest angle of attack from a local airport. Fond memories . . . .
@AeroDinosaur
@AeroDinosaur Год назад
In 1984 I built the 1:72 Heller L-749/C-121 in TWA colors. I spliced in a long radar nose from their L-1049. It came out OK, but with minor accuracy problems. It is featured in our Part II video The Early Short Constellations. I think your early C-69 buildup would be an interesting subject. Thank you for sharing your experiences--makes it all worthwhile for us!
@DavidRLentz
@DavidRLentz Год назад
@@AeroDinosaur , I watched your L-049 video. So, thank you!
@rileysteve
@rileysteve 4 года назад
I remember what those old 3350's sounded like. I have a very keen sense of hearing. As a child I could tell the difference of many old radial engine installations. Also, in the CAP we had to learn the transports of the day by the glow of the exhaust stacks from below. I am not tuned into the modern jets, but could distinguish the differences of the first three generations of jetliners.
@MarcvanExel
@MarcvanExel 10 месяцев назад
Thank you for this great video. I did not know about the duplex double collectlor rings, very interesting.
@AeroDinosaur
@AeroDinosaur 10 месяцев назад
Thanks for watching and for your nice compliment. Those dual collector rings on the Duplex Cyclone were quite archaic, weren't they! They had to do that because the poorly designed cast cylinder cooling fins resulted in big fat cylinder heads on the early R-3350s. Exhaust channels from the front row could not fit between the rear row of cylinders so they had to come out the front. JA Reed.
@MarcvanExel
@MarcvanExel 10 месяцев назад
@@AeroDinosaur Thank you again. There is so little info out there about the L-049 and what I do have does not mention those differences on the early R3350's. So your in depth video was a real eye opener. I do love you other video's as well, they are a time capsule of great value. Thanks ever so much!
@AeroDinosaur
@AeroDinosaur 10 месяцев назад
@@MarcvanExel Marc--Thanks a million, glad you can appreciate them! It is our pleasure to bring them to you and it makes reaching legacy aviation enthusiasts like yourself extremely worthwhile for us. We are a collector and re-packager of the generally unnoticed details!
@CD2uSF
@CD2uSF Год назад
Well, two guys who remember this aircraft and the engine sound have to correct some of your information. I'll work 816 was flown from FLL to an airport in NJ. Look this up, as someone got the bright idea to fire up one of the engines to run. I few on either 816 or 12H for the certification of the DME. I helped install the harness during the installation of the DME The Edde's were my cousins. It is pronouded Ed E btw. My partner was who moved 816 to NJ. 816 was origonally operated by Air France. It also had the engines changed out by Lockheed after initial operation bt AF. Lots more, PM me if you want more info
@AeroDinosaur
@AeroDinosaur Год назад
My thanks to you and Capt. Eby for reaching out -- glad you both found us --- and thanks for your corrected information. I never actually heard anybody articulate "Edde" before so I appreciate that. As a side note, years ago I found a RU-vid showing the arrival of -12H at its final resting place at Greenwood Lake, NJ around 1977. Were you on that crew or do you know who they were? I'd be glad to trade information with you, perhaps it would be easiest for you to just email me at j.reed3930@sbcglobal.net.
@CD2uSF
@CD2uSF Год назад
@@AeroDinosaur Will do. I messed up, it was 12Hotel to NJ. We had a lot of fun with that N number. Ends up, it was one two a restarant. I'm not a pilot. I was a teenage "volunteer" ramp rat and tool/parts/flashlight holder for my Dad. I tell people two things I learned about a Connie. Keep climing over and kicking out bags untill you see batteries and NEVER touch the aluminum with bare skin after they land in the winter. Maybe should call you and let you record my memories of these two aircraft. I spent a lot of time with them. Including a whole history how they got their DMEs.
@AeroDinosaur
@AeroDinosaur Год назад
@@CD2uSF I am planning on a future video later this year or early next that would include more coverage of -816 and -12H. In the past I have interviewed other AeroDinosaur viewers and used the recordings in my productions and would welcome the opportunity to record yours for inclusion. It seems you have a lot of interesting experiences with the two 049s worth telling. If you get a chance please e-mail me your contact information.
@htschmerdtz4465
@htschmerdtz4465 Год назад
Your video states that nobody is left who could actually remember the sounds these aircraft made. Actually I can clearly recall that sound because I'm old enough to remember Connies in full song, living along the departure path south from the airport in Burbank California where they were made. We were treated to sights and sounds of Douglas, Lockheed and Boeing piston liners flying toward LAX, Burbank and in-state routes with feeder airlines that kept these incredible pieces of tech alive and in service into the late 1970's. My first recollection as a small child was aboard a transcontinental L1049 going from La Guardia to Los Angeles, sitting in my mother's lap. From my upstairs bedroom in the Hollywood Hills, I watched them climb out of Burbank. I can recall the faraway deep rumbling buzz Boeing 377s made cruising in the mid 20's nonstop from Denver to Hawaii. They seemed to be moving incredibly slowly, just hanging up there. The old Wrights and Pratts never sounded strained, just working easily with an almost musical cadence, even heavy and low as they passed over our house in a shallow climb. DC-3s would lumber by in a descent into Burbank, issuing a metallic kind of whine--supercharger noise, perhaps--but they came by close to the hills; remember, piston airplanes can't make the kind of dive-bomb descents turbines are capable of--they had to protect those piston radials from overly rapid cooling at reduced power, so the drill is to slowly throttle back and make sure to maintain engine temperature. I fly my own piston powered airplane today and the advice about careful power reductions still stands. Lots of memories, and I am sure there are still a few others around who remember those sounds.
@AeroDinosaur
@AeroDinosaur Год назад
Thanks for checking us out and sharing your great memories. Maybe I wasn't too clear, but the "rare" sound I was referring to was that of the earliest 049 Constellations with the early 2,200 hp R-3350 Duplex Cyclones--the O49s became super-scarce before sound-recording video cameras were widely available to record them. I have a lot of video/audio recordings on the L-749 and L-1049s (with Cyclone 18s and Turbo-Compound R-3350 variants, and their different sound signatures, respectively). As our video mentions I saw and heard the 049 as an 8-year-old in that video but cannot recall the specific sound signature--and I don't know of anybody who has such a recording (but I'm sure one may exist somewhere). Thanks again for watching--that means a lot to us! J.A. Reed.
@htschmerdtz4465
@htschmerdtz4465 Год назад
@@AeroDinosaur You're absolutely right, these amazing old engines' sounds are increasingly rare and I love to recall their song. Occasionally we do get the Collings foundation's warbirds in my area and to see them going low overhead is quite amazing. Big old gasoline engines, low tech, complicated and finicky. It's hard to believe they powered nonstop flights from Los Angeles to London in a (then) mere 17 hours. We're so blase today, we can't imagine the sense of marvel L 1649 passengers felt traveling five and a half miles a minute, four miles above the earth.
@AeroDinosaur
@AeroDinosaur Год назад
@@htschmerdtz4465 Now that you bring it up, not many actual sound recordings of the L-1649 either. You are probably one of the few that heard them regularly!
@htschmerdtz4465
@htschmerdtz4465 Год назад
@@AeroDinosaur I mentioned I grew up in the Hollywood hills just six miles from where Lockheed built, so I had a balcony seat to almost daily test flights. Now I suppose old age has to be good for something: I have a dim memory fragment of being perhaps 3 years old in my mother's lap eating a piece of sweet pumpernickel bread aboard a TWA transcon Connie.
@AeroDinosaur
@AeroDinosaur Год назад
@@htschmerdtz4465 Thanks Bruce--all part of real history!
@zacktong8105
@zacktong8105 2 года назад
John, Excellent technical explanations of what I had never known about the first generation Connie which I well recall had many engine problems. Living in Rochester N.Y. I saw a few Capital L-49S come through in the later 1950s. I did see the Dominican Constellation at San Juan in 1967. I've always wondered where baggage was stowed as there did not seem to be rear compartments. It seems as if loading was done through the nose wheel assembly as well as the right side crew access door for floor storage which was limited. Certainly the 649/749s were perhaps the best of the lot in terms of simplicity before they got into the turbo compound engines that were a real nightmare.
@AeroDinosaur
@AeroDinosaur 2 года назад
Hey, thanks a million for watching and your nice comment. Glad you like the technical stuff--a lot of people don't like that. You have good intuition--Constellation captains that I knew always preferred the L-749 over all other variants. L-49 too many teething problems especially with the Duplex Cyclone engines. L-1049--Turbo Compound engine was always a headache! Amazing that you saw that Dominican L-49--last passenger service ever with that plane.
@taketimeout2share
@taketimeout2share 3 года назад
Fantastic. Shame you didnt record an L-049 with your SVHS camera. As we discussed its sound quality is reel to reel standard and would have provided Historic Sound Recordings of the very highest quality. Damn.
@AeroDinosaur
@AeroDinosaur 3 года назад
Oh well, silent Super 8 film was the only technology available to (and affordable by) consumers in August 1963 when my dad took the movies. Technology wasn't there to get good recordings of L-049's before they disappeared for good.
@grumpyoldfart1945
@grumpyoldfart1945 4 года назад
Thanks for a most informative video. But, please, cut down (or even better yet, dispense with) the loud, distracting music. Love the Lodestar and B-26 (On Mark or Monarch?) at KJAC.
@AeroDinosaur
@AeroDinosaur 4 года назад
Thanks for your constructive comment on the music, I've been toning it down and using less since this one. Yes, my dad's movie did catch a Lodestar and as you say, probably a Monarch conversion of the B-26. Sorry for this late reply, I somehow missed the notification of your comment on RU-vid.
@pcowdrey
@pcowdrey 4 года назад
14 hour flight...What I would like to know is when airliners got autopilots. Did the Connie have an autopilot? Did the DC-7 (or the DC-6) have an autopilot? =PC=
@AeroDinosaur
@AeroDinosaur 4 года назад
I believe they had simple "heading and altitude hold" autopilots back in the '40's and '50's, but am not sure when they were introduced. That alone would take a ton of workload off the pilots and reduce fatigue.
@Flsimm
@Flsimm 4 года назад
@@AeroDinosaur The 049 indeed had an early autopilot, although it only provided heading and pitch hold, the latter differs a lot from the more practical altitude hold introduced in later models. On the beginning of the cruise you dialed in a pitch that holds the altitude but as you burn through fuel or stuff gets moved through the cabin your center of gravity changes as well as your total weight, resulting in a shallow climb or descent, mostly, on which you needed to react. Not particularly relaxing...
@AeroDinosaur
@AeroDinosaur 4 года назад
Thanks for the corrective input Marko. It wasn't "altitude" hold like I said, but "pitch" hold back in those days. Exhausting for sure.
@chrisscott4896
@chrisscott4896 3 года назад
Thanks for a fascinating history of the C-69/L-049 and, in particular, your description of the early evolution of the R-3350, its cooling woes and the turbocharged B-29 installation - all of which I knew nothing. I presume the single-row radial pictured for comparison purposes at time 13:00 is an R-1820, not an 1830?
@AeroDinosaur
@AeroDinosaur 3 года назад
Thanks for watching and glad you enjoyed it and learned something! The photo at time stamp 13:00 is a double-row Pratt & Whitney R-1830. The front row is barely visible but if you look carefully you can see parts of it. Kind of a bad angle.
@chrisscott4896
@chrisscott4896 3 года назад
@@AeroDinosaurAfter another look, I think you're being kind! I should've recognised it...
@AeroDinosaur
@AeroDinosaur 3 года назад
@@chrisscott4896 Quite honestly, the angle is so bad that it looks like an 1820, the confusion is on me!
@chrisscott4896
@chrisscott4896 3 года назад
@@AeroDinosaur Perhaps, John, but if I'd been paying closer attention I'd have noticed the front-row exhaust tubes running between the rear-row pots. My close-up view of the Twin Wasp over half a century ago was invariably blocked by the cowling, but am embarrassed not to recognise it.
@AeroDinosaur
@AeroDinosaur 3 года назад
@@chrisscott4896 No sweat. I've been embarrassed by much worse!
@WAL_DC-6B
@WAL_DC-6B 4 года назад
Wonderful history of the early Wright R-3350 engine as used in the 049 Constellation. I wasn't aware of the necessary improvements made on that engine for succeeding Constellation models and I'm sure other aircraft such as the Lockheed Neptune. Hey, I wonder if actor Van Heflin was attracted to the Jackson, WY area due to his 1953 major role in the western movie "Shane" which had many of the outdoor scenes filmed in Wyoming with the Grand Teton mountains often seen prominently in the background.
@AeroDinosaur
@AeroDinosaur 4 года назад
Hi Dan, sorry I missed this comment of yours last month. Thanks! You're right, the Neptune power package did evolve hand-in-hand with the Constellation's, except the first P2V's didn't start with the deplorable Duplex Cyclone, but the very next iteration R-3350-8 which was not used on the early Connie's. I have a two-part series on the P2V Neptune to be uploaded soon where we show that. We also interview a former a Neptune crewmen who describes his Cold War experiences chasing the Russian Navy, and leading to the Cuban Missile Crisis. Also, you have an excellent theory as to why Van Heflin may have been in Jackson Hole in August 1963! Maybe he'd just then started a trend--Jackson Hole is now where all the beautiful elites and movie stars seem to go.
@WAL_DC-6B
@WAL_DC-6B 4 года назад
@@AeroDinosaurJohn, Looking forward to the two part videos on the Lockheed P2V Neptune. That's one aircraft I always thought was good looking and I remember seeing them when they had Neptunes at Glenview Naval Air Station.
@AeroDinosaur
@AeroDinosaur 4 года назад
When I was very young we lived in Lake Forest and I vividly remember the "planes with the stingers on them" flying north over my house from what I'm sure was Glenview. I was too young to know what they were.
@WAL_DC-6B
@WAL_DC-6B 3 года назад
@@AeroDinosaur John, I grew up in Park Ridge close to O'Hare Field. However, my dad would occasionally take me to a small lake or perhaps pond he'd go fishing at just on the other side of Willow Road (Willow Road was just beyond the north fence of Glenview NAS) and below the flight path of the main runway at Glenview. This would have been about 1962 so I too was quite young. Funny, I don't remember any large aircraft flying overhead at that time, but I do recall the swept wing Grumman Cougars practicing landings which was very painful for my tender hearing. Still, later on in life, I'd see an occasional Neptune especially if I went with my mom to the Golf-Mill shopping center about a mile south of Glenview.
@AeroDinosaur
@AeroDinosaur 3 года назад
In the late '80's I regularly played on the golf course near that mall, when I was with The CIT Group. While I worked out of St. Louis, I reported to their office in Park Ridge and was up there all the time. At the golf course I spotted numerous P3 Orions very low in the Glenview pattern right over us and to the north. An empty feeling now that Glenview is just a memory.
@tomdunn7710
@tomdunn7710 Год назад
Great show but ... THAT MUSIC MUST GO !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
@AeroDinosaur
@AeroDinosaur Год назад
AGREED!! We've known about that annoying problem for years (sorry for that)--we learned from our mistakes and corrected the problem with our subsequent videos. We cannot properly re-edit or re-upload this video without badly distorting our channel analytics, so we just have to leave it the way it is--and get on with life. We are glad you at least enjoyed the content (despite the annoyance, again, my apologies), and thanks for checking us out! J.A. Reed
@FraglesMarmoladowy
@FraglesMarmoladowy 8 месяцев назад
​@@AeroDinosaurPlease, screw statistics and consider uploading no-music versions of these videos. Such lovely subject but I can't watch any longer than 5 minutes. I'm gonna buy your book though so I can read in silence.
@AeroDinosaur
@AeroDinosaur 8 месяцев назад
@@FraglesMarmoladowy Yes, I agree with you on the annoying music for sure--we got nailed for that some time ago and cut out the music on subsequent videos. Live and learn. But thanks for considering buying the book and I am sure you will like it all the better without the music! J.A. Reed.
@meauxjeaux431
@meauxjeaux431 2 года назад
Get rid of the obnoxious "music" !
@AeroDinosaur
@AeroDinosaur 2 года назад
Yeah, lot of complaints about that over the last 2 years. We have long since dropped the music in later and current videos, but cannot change the ones already uploaded. Live and learn.
@meauxjeaux431
@meauxjeaux431 2 года назад
@@AeroDinosaur THANKS !
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