For the first time ever, all three medalists in Tokyo have emulated Kratochvilova's pacing strategy, running the distance in a negative split. Athing Mu's split was 57.8 and 57.4. The world record will surely be broken soon.
@@banhipal8635 Basically you count and compare the time it takes to run each half of the race. "Positive split" means your time increases, i.e the first 400 meters are faster than the last 400. "Negative split" is the opposite.
What i took from this as a runner: If you are feeling like you have an injury, just run twice as far and go really fast in the second half. done and done
I was thinking about her pacing when I saw the timers and yeah it looks good tbh. Most runners in the 800 would use energy for the initial sprint, then try to preserve momentum in the middle by trying yo maintain pace and lastly pushing all of what you got towards the end. What she did was allow her body to constantly accelerate in the run thus allowing her to not to waste speed and this allows her to outpace the ones conserving in the middle as the race went on.
Unlike anyone else, she saved a lot in the first 200m then she kept gradual and constant acceleration which was also less taxing compared to most runners slowing and accelerating in the middle of the race. Her race is a perfect example of wise energy use which applies to 400/800 races.
So you think the only reason she set the record is because of her strategy, a strategy that nobody has tried before or since? You don't think the unnatural muscles on top of muscles didn't have anything to do with it?
@@TheWayToWin this is bs. Otherwise in the last 40 years this strategy would have been used by the other athletes (trained specifically for the 800m) and her record would have been destroyed
Doper Coe Coe's 1,41,71 was tougher than Jarmila's ladies weak 1,53 the british army calculeted formula 76/69 difference between Men and women! So we get 1,41,71x76/69=1,51,87 And East German mens record 1,43,8! Ban All doping records like Randy Barnes 23,12 Jonathan Edwards 18,29 Griffith Joyner 10,49 Sergey Bubka 614 Mike Powell 895cm and so on! Not going to happen because the western world loves their dopers!!
@@user-en9qd5nx8wDoper Seb Coe's 1,41,71 was tougher than Jarmila's weak record! Coe will be IOC leader! Come on Doper Coe speaking Los Angeles Olympics in 2028!
17 of the top 25 world's fastest times in the women's 800 occurred before 1990 and 16 were Iron Curtain countries. State-sponsored doping programs existed and were better than the testing at the time. In fact, Russia was still cheating and beating the tests as recently as the 2014 Winter Olympics in Sochi Russia.
What's funny to me is that you guys in the west think that only the USSR and the eastern block was doing large scale state sponsored doping back then, and the US and the rest of the west didn't...they did, the Russians were just better at it. Americans are still doing it on a grand scale, just like the Russians, Chinese, the UK and all other powerful countries, the only difference between Russia, China and the US in recent years is the fact that the US athletes don't get tested because the US Olympic committee pinky promises that their athletes aren't doping...which is just hilariously bullshit and you literally have to have the intellect of a child to believe.
@@philcorrigan5641 also absurd that any of Michael Johnson’s records can be taken seriously, also no pro bodybuilder ever puts any work in at all since they all use roids 😃😃😃
Those were the days... ... of very heavy doping from childhood permanently damaging the adult. And not just eastern bloc. Doesn't mean it doesn't happen now
I'm not buying the narrator's story either. She has a painful injury, so she runs a little slower in the first part of the race and then pours it on in the second. Voila! World record.
To be fair, many other runners came at least close to that time. Unlike the 400m where nobody has come within 2 seconds of the record for ages, or 100/200m.
Look 99% of them use shit, stop seeing it as a judgment and start seeing it as it is… and maybe some day they can stop pretending and just going full tilt with enhancements. We would see some really cool shit
@@andrhorvath7464 maybe nowadays they just don't "sacrifice their lives enough for training", e.g. as they had to in the soviet era. Back there, the life of an individual did not matter much
Two points about her to add to the discussion. She was quite old at 32 when she broke two world records for the 400 and 800. Same pattern as JoFlo. Her appearance changed from a typical middle distance female runner, in her twenties, to a muscular looking athlete. Steroids allow an athlete to train harder and longer. That was a feature of her training regime from all accounts.
Eastern Bloc "athlete support" at its best. No way this record would last since 1983 without doping. Kratochvílová was a great athlete but she wouldn't run like that without a state-sponsored doping. And I'm saying this as someone from the Czech Republic. It is shameful the IAAF didn't scrap this record and the others, like the otherworldly Soviet and East German records (women's shot put e.g.).
unfortunately, no one even tried. Everyone blindly believes in positive splitting. Dave Wottle did it accidentally in 1976 due to knee injuries and Yuri Borzakovsky tried a very similar but not quite the same strategy. Both became the Olympic champs.
But if it was just about pacing, why haven't others taken that approach and beaten it? I can't seriously believe that all world class athletes are that bad at strategy in their run
@@Basetornado you're saying that just as if it is that ez... You just get doped and you make a world record... Why don't you try take every banned substance possible and break a world record if it is a joke on steroids... Also, if it was that ez, than why aren't great marathons like Boston, London, Berlin being won by some no name guys on juice??
@@har234908234 I am asking question in present simple tense.. It is a fact question, hence using present simple is superior towards past simple.. Fron which country you are?
Count me as skeptical. The Eastern Bloc doping program was sophisticated and durable and many of the Russian athletes of the Sochi games also "never failed a drug test" until years later when reserve samples were exposed to new tests. Obviously she shouldn't be stripped of her record on suspicion alone. But the conclusion of the video, that all you need to do is run a slow, smooth first lap seems like a replicable and testable hypothesis. The fact that after 37 years her record stands, but not her strategy, means that either she was a uniquely gifted athlete with an unusual alignment of non-replicable circumstances to give her a durable edge, or she was juiced.
It is in the scientific community as you can’t prove a negative. For example, there’s no evidence that you rape donkeys, but if we turn that around, there’s no evidence that you don’t rape donkeys
no Christoph5782. The lack of comprehensive blood testing and positive tests in that era doesn't we should presume, looking back, that the athletes were clean. Unless you are in fact agreeing that absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.
these were state-sponsored drug programs. Refusal was not an option. Athletes were told these were vitamins and supplements. After the fall of the iron curtain plenty of documents were discovered that describe this.
Amazing how many Women's Track and Field records set in the 1980s are still on the books, isn't it? And we don't really need to go to just worry about the Cold War issues. Yeah, Russia and East Germany had systematic programs. But Americans like Flo Jo and Jackie Joyner-Kersee were 'roided out of their eyeballs too.
there’s nothing to actually suggest flo jo used steroids. she was constantly tested (and was clean), and i believe they’ve tested old preserved samples of hers using new modern methods and STILL found nothing. she just weight trained like crazy
@@Lucy-fn9rj Wrong, samples were discarded at that time. Since 2005 the olympics started storing samples for retesting. Some members of the olympics said that all records before 2005 should be erased. Besides that, The Soviet Union made all the testings. And now the Russians are banned for cheating tests. The 80´s were the golden era of trying new drgus, many athletes died trying new things. Tests weren´t good, even simple things like the erythropoyetin hormone wasnt tested.
@@Lucy-fn9rj "nothing to suggest" - are you taking the pi$$?! She died at an early age due to a heart attack, her times can't be touched even by modern micro-dosing TUES-using athletes 🤣🤣 She never failed, just like Lance Armstrong never failed, just like Marion Jones never failed. You're living in cloud cuckoo land if you think she was clean LOL. She's the Bolt of the 1980s.
I expected some scientific explanation at the end, saying the pain in her legs was caused by something like an inability to produce lactic acid, which probably would have caused health concerns after the race. I thought it was heading that way when you said she never failed a drug test, but no, you're essentially saying she simply used a strategy that no one has considered before or since, and she was definitely on something.
Absolutely. The secret in these explosive disciplines is not to let the body start flooding itself with lactic acid, and she probably was best at such strategy. It's lactic acid athletes despise because it locks or freezes your legs and you are toast after that. 400 meters and 800 meters are the disciplines where body goes into a dramatic oxygen deprivation; some athletes admit they run their last meters almost blind as their body is trying to draw every molecule of oxygen into running muscles. Kratochvilova was most likely keenly aware where her lactic acid spillout limit is and she developed her tactical game around that knowledge. With strategic training, one can move the lactic acid barrier further, so I think she and her Coach built her training plan according to that knowledge. You actually can prolong the time where lactic acid starts shutting you down with specialized training. And of course, she would be stupid to give her strategy away. So as a result, thousands of ignorants who know nothing about training now accuse her of doping. She can care less....I can tell you that
Every woman track and field record is not clean record. They should have 2 sets of records one for when there was no random drug testing and 1 for not.
@@VinylUnboxings oh hell yes but since they already have good hormones for athletes it doesn't help as much. Never forget each country is in charge of there own drug testing, so smaller countries can not get caught as easily. The only reason Russia caught because they had far to many athletes and 1of those Athletes did not want to dope but could not compete without doping so she turned in everyone else. Small poor countries are never going to turn in their athletes.
@@jeffreyrose4421 That's a ridiculous claim to say that PEDs don't help men as much. I don't even know where to start with how inane that is, _why_ do you think that? And it's not just because of that firl. You're completely discounting that Grigory Rodchenkov was the head of the WADA lab in Russia and that he came forward with information about the state sponsored doping program. I legitimately don't know where you could be sourcing this information from
If she simply won because of her strategy, then the record would've been broken many years ago since the strategy was no secret. Therefore, you have to consider what other advantages she might've had..
No one had ever attempted this strategy before. The only one who recently tried it was Marco Arop. He mirrored Kratochvilova’s approach, running an impressive negative split of 51.1 + 50.1 to secure the silver medal. Unfortunately, the race wasn’t tailored to assist him, as his rivals stood in his way, forcing him to cover several extra meters, resulting in a time of 1:41.20. Had the race been set up to assist him, he might have already broken the record
Many US records from that era probably weren't clean as well. Let's take 100m men, do you know some guys recently convinced with doping? Gay, Gatlin, both USA, and that's today, what about 80s...
She admitted getting shots every week, but thought they were B12 shots... and she still seems to believe that. (you don't need to get B12 weekly, as it can be stored in the body for YEARS. That was already known in the 80s)
This women was obviously doping, no way you could run that close to the lead and then make up that much distance without tiring slower. The final sprint makes it even more clear.
@@Hengel_Andrews Thanks for watching. There was very little information about Kratochvilova in English, so I read everything that could be read in Czech using the Google translator.
@@musik102 Circumstantial evidence can only take you so far as you'll need real proof of evidence to convict someone. The way I see it, even if she was cheating, the rest of the field were also cheating and she beat them all.
@@saysoun752 All you need to know is that we have proof that East Germany had a government approved mass doping programme, and all of the Eastern European counties were doing something similar. Also, how come once the Eastern Block fell apart all the record breaking stopped. And, lots of cases have seen people convicted on circumstantial evidence alone.
People who think long lasting records against doped athletes are set without doping are only slightly delusional, even if you didn't consider the other circumstances like the prime age of doping and a famously doped country. It is still pretty easy to do it without being caught, especially because the system is set up to not catch athletes too easily and the corruption, but back in the day athletes were able to blast all the way through the competitions even. The doping testing was not only in terribly infantile shoes, they didn't test almost anything, but it was also suffering from any understanding of what the athletes would use, and the lacking desire of catching spectacularly popular athletes from doing feats that made people very interested in following the sports, which meant more money in it. Everyone's free to make their own conclusions, but passing tests is not a sign of anything when even today with more knowledge about doping, more accurate tests with better resolution can't catch many athletes and even if they were caught, they're not always busted. Basically getting caught today means that either you're stupid or you believed that a higher authority would continue to protect you (like the unfathomable bust of Lu Xiaojun that people still can't explain, other than perhaps selling him for the whole Chinese team). Like people believe that you couldn't do doping in western societies with WADA testing and therefore western athletes are clean. Emphasis on believe. And the silly thing is the moral uproar against athletes that get caught and admiration of "clean records" as if the competition was clean. They're doing their job of being the best and performing interesting human feats.
that's when women were drugged up look and perform like men...now we have men drugged up, to perform like men / look like women against women !!!! WTF !!
@ the comments: I get the resentment towards this world record but I think going as far as calling her a man just because you think she looks like one is a bit too far
It is more about making fun of that a drug test at this time couldn't prove that she was on roids even if she looked more manly than Arnold Schwarzenegger
Let me assure everyone that Czech women normally DON'T look like this :) Let me also add that there was a state-sponsored doping programme in Czechoslovakia, and if you refused to participate, you didn't get to compete in international events.
I have a friend who thinks there should be a performance enhanced olympics and another non enhanced olympics. Its an interesting thought. Even the playing fields and let those who want to risk their health do it while those who want to stay clean have a fairer go at it. Thought for the day 🙂
The sponsors would only be interested in the 'clean' Olympics, which is where the money would be and everyone would still be claiming to be clean while juicing their behinds off.
@@johnbull1568 Reminds me of the old joke that if all weapons were banned and wars had to be settled by arm wrestling, the country with the most nuclear bombs would win.
Yeah they said to her when did it occur to you that you could set a world record??? She replied when i was in the bathroom shaving my testicles 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Sure you can. Nowadays you simply can say you transgender and you're really a woman trapped in a male body and you can brake all the running women's record's. I'm surprised they haven't beat all the records yet.
There was no random out of competition testing prior to February, 1989. Funny that nearly every single women’s sprinting, middle distance, jumping & throwing record was set prior to 1989….
@@HamishGarland Well definetly harder to detect, but i dont belive anti doping association really test drugs. They know all of the top athletes dope, they just use their test for future political games, just look at Russian a Jamaican athletes. I mean with Jamaican sprinters they found clenbuterol after like 8 years? Thats absolute joke, clenbuterol is one of the cheapest most well known drugs, and they cant find it in 8 years. Same as mechanical doping in cycling, i mean fcking TV reporters with heat cameras needed to do that not association.
@@alexmichl3137 I'm not going to deny that. With female athletes it is however a bit different. There was obviously a combination of steroids and testosterone in years past that todays pharmaceuticals can not match for many disciplines. Just look at the female shot put best performances over the last 40 years.
@@HamishGarland Yes i agree with that. Those women were truly muscular like men, on the other hand i dont know about every new steroid nowadays, maybe we will see crazy records, once they find something new. And quite frankly i dont blame them, its not a bad thing, as long as its safe, lets put doping substances in the sport, and lets see where human limit really is.
banned substances depends on the year you are talking about. a lot of things were not banned back then so its highly likely she took steroids especially since the country she was representing. and you can take steroids and still pass tests if you plan smart.
@@hydrogen3266 how many male MMA athletes do you see with armpit hair? And once more, it would be weird as hell to see that... So I think you maybe Karen up the Wrong Woke Tree champ....
@@thumpyloudfoot864 MMA is actually nothing close to track events, so that equivalency makes no sense. Male track athletes have armpit hair, MMA is totally irrelevant. My point was that if men can medal and make world records in track, why is it “impressive” for a woman? You can try to cover it up now, but your original comment seems in my opinion to be sexist and I called it out 🤷🏻♀️
@@hydrogen3266 LMAOOO atheletes shave their body hair because less friction and its easier to apply ointments and creams to unobstructed skin... nothing of what I am saying is remotely sexist... go to bed...
2:15 How do you "close the gap" between your pace and world record pace "ten meters before the finishing line"? It sounds too specific to be just hyperbole, but the more I try to get my head around it, the less sense it makes! Can anyone help?
They did not do doping tests between the competitions then, it was introduced 1989. Also, blood exchange doping is and was difficult to find out and was used a lot. Dropping out from a competition due some "problem" and making great in another event was a classic indication that some cheating was going on.
Those older records like this that were set by Eastern Bloc athletes are a little mysterious. This one and Marita Koch's 400m record have some PED controversy to them.
Everyone in professional sports use juice, if you think that anyone can achieve that level of perfection in sports you're wrong, it depends in biology (that is why some races are just better in certain sports than others), extreme training and obviously legal juices
"23 secs in confused Picachu look , " found herself" , is that a picture of her brother your showing. Nope , well those were some cereals they used back then, for both the humans and the beef cattle.
personally this effort is impressive BUT - I do suspect steroids were used by HER and the 400m World Record holder - in Germany and Eastern Europe it was COMMON practice to take special MEDS with Breakfast this 800m record is impressive - she is the MOST muscular women ( she is built like a TANK ) running 800m that I have EVER SEEN !!! - was she tested for ROIDS?
Women see greater results from anabolic steroids than men do, actually. If she’d had a Y chromosome her late career improvements wouldn’t have been so dramatic.