Currently Dan Abnet is trying to mend all these character arcs as such: Before the Primarchs, The Emperor was a powerful and intelligent psyker that did everything possible to achieve his goal. Ends justify the means. He had very few qualms about it, only ever softening to other perpetuals and especially Malcador. After the scattering of the primarchs, he kept this ruthless personality. However, every interaction with the primarchs slowly softened his heart (especially Horus). Gorillaman was too busy to really see the emperor soften up. Early primarchs were treated ruthlessly, but later ones were effectively babied. Taught a lesson, sure, but babied. The latest books prove he truly grew to become human as he had to expunge his humanity as a Star Child.
This is something I hadn't considered. The thought of the Emperor slowly warming up to the Primarchs as his sons sounds pretty interesting. Sounds pretty cool too.
It's a plot point fans had made up to cope with the schizophrenic writing and Dan was able to really tie it together in a way that works, unlike most fan theories. I'm really satisfied with the way he manages to make a bunch of different writers look like they were going towards an actual character arc and growth even though for the last decade we haven't really seen that. H managed to make us see it in retrospect.
@@RedHierophant23 Why wouldn't he be warm to them from the start? He wasn't always ruthless. He had a friendship with Malcador, he loved his custodes, he even showed some pity to the last priest on terra A better explanation would be, is that since he sees the future, he might have seen Angron and the other evil Primarchs become evil so often that it affected him how he would treat them in the present.
@@ThexVaultxTech It really is a genius move, when you think about it. I definitely like that a lot more than the borderline insane flipfloping we used to have between loving father and spiteful tyrant.
@@mcmarkmarkson7115 Him seeing what they would become in the future would make sense in a way. But the Emperor himself had said before that the future isn't set in stone, so shouldn't He try to keep them loyal, he had already seen their fall? And if he had seen it, shouldn't he get rid of Horus and Lorgar? Because if he did, he would have saved the Imperium without much trouble. I think The Horus Heresy only really works if the Emperor was unaware of it. We know the Chaos Gods can "shroud" some futures, just like when Slaanesh "shrouded" the fact that Fulgrim was corrupted from Eldrad's foresight.
@@RedHierophant23that is the emperor though. He puts on a facard to who he speaks with so he speaks with pure cold logic to techpriests but a farther to his sons. With how things in 40k it makes sense with the newest book in HH shakes up the lore in an insanely big way.
@@YOGI-kb9tg I can understand that, but the problem is that some of his actions just don't make any sense, even taking that into consideration. That being said, these HH books really are setting up some insane stuff, I'll admit.
As a fringe enjoyer of 40k my understanding of the Emperor is that he was always, fundamentally, inhuman. And that that is ultimately what led to him being put on the Golden Throne. An ironic fate for a being meant to lead humanity into a new golden age. He was born a weapon against Chaos, but a weapon could not lead humanity into anything but more war. So in the grim dark future there is only war.
You know, a part of comparison which was originally on the script (that I had to scrap because it wouldn't fit anywhere). Is the fundamental difference between The Emperor and Sigmar being exactly that. Sigmar was born a normal human, he didn't have any special powers, he wasn't a immortal demigod or anything of the sort. He was simply a extremely special (but completely normal) human. The Emperor was born (as you've just said) extremely powerful, so it does make sense that his actions are much harder to comprehend. Still I don't think this point detracts much from the point of the video, which more like a meta commentary on how his character was handled over the course of the years.
Finally one of rare Warhammer 40K videos with saner takes and general approach into looking at the Emperor's psyche in the more humane ways, neither to be blind-hater, zealous or any traits of idiotic ways of analysing/dissecting characters' psychology If Emperor could put way more care, understanding and actually better precognition to oversee what's happening to Angron, giving Conrad and Sanguinius to do quests together, have Magnus to talk with his Psyker friends and improving the Quality of Life in The Imperium instead of rushing things (by demanding productions of weapons and supersoldiers on absurd degrees), keeping secret (even among his closest friends and allies) and other unsavory traits among humans in better details can makes a looot of differences I thought his psyker abilities are the best and prevent so many stupid things happening, but I guess the fact that those propositions of Emperor isn't as omniscient and omnipresent as some fanboys thinks just breaks their pride and prove them wrong regarding Emperor's abilities (at least prior to his souls split and became semi-independent/autonomous warp entities to try subtly help humanity in The Warp later on as 10.000 years goes, they really need to expand to the lore of Star Child, Senseis and Primarch souls which verily hinted to be powerful lesser warp gods, like how Corvus became independently powerful anti-Chaos Daemon, Leman Russ & Magnus' true forms when they battled akin to Kaijus in Japanese live action genres of monster movies, Sanguinius soul hinted to be the opposing twin angels of Ba'al, possibility of Vulkan's warp form to be a gigantic drake (Idk but a lot of alternate fanfics portrayed him like that lol), and other hints akin to Fulgrim's original soul are independent of Slaanesh as Fulgrim's current original body is just vessel for Slaanesh's main avatar, just like other Daemon Primarchs with patron chaos gods ) There's so much interesting dimensions to Warhammer 40K lore which writers akin to Dan Abnett could explore, it's just he needs team of likeminded writers with bulletin of cardinal rules of both grander and subtler Warhammer 40K lore to not break apart in spite of the "everything canon but not everything is true" cope of L bad writing, Warhammer 40K as a settings should've been pinnacles of high sci-fi with some grimdark and high fantasy writings, they can research on mythology of various different history of religions, cultures and society to build up and stacking their inspirations organically)
I think there are a lot of good plot points they've abandoned, the Sensei being one of them. I don't think they've outright retconned it, but the whole "it was a tzeentch cult all along" bullshit is definitely disappointing. Regarding the Primarchs and their "true forms" I have an opinion on Sanguinius' connection with the Twin Angels of Baal that I will expand on his video. It's definitely a lot interesting to think about.
I wouldn't mind his character being inconsistent, if we at least has a solid foundation of what he wants or who he is. Smoke and Mirrors works when you know what is smoke and what is a mirror first.
That's precisely what I meant. Mystery without substance is completely worthless. I would have a field day "connecting the dots" if there were dots to connect in the first place. The problem is the lack of coherence in a character that is so essential and goddamn interesting.
You do have to wonder if part of the problem with the Emperor's characterization, outside of the usual "differing writers with different interpretations" issue that always gets worse when a character is supposed to be this enigmatic and mysterious figure, has to do with the shift away from his having a very explicit origin that would realistically influence a lot of his subsequent behavior, to his origins being largely glossed over and mythologised. I'm speaking, of course, of how the Emperor went with a very explicit backstory in the original Rogue Trader and Realms of Chaos books as an amalgamation of humanity's collective population of psykers during the Bronze Age, created by ritual suicide to form a singular entity who would protect humanity from Chaos and who ultimately was splintered into two beings; the ever-dying tyrant on the golden throne and the nascent Star-Child, God of Empathy and Love, to being a total enigma about whose personal character, motivations and goals we canonically know nothing beyond that he was determined to forcibly reunite humanity, no matter how brutally.
His origin definitely plays a massive role in our perspective of the character, without a doubt. I don't really understand why they chose to move away from that origin, because I always thought it fit the Emperor and his themes perfectly. Trying to hard to make the character "mysterious" only makes Him seem shallow and confusing, which is very unfortunate.
To my mind, the fundamental problem is one of the defining facets of the WH40K universe, particularly the Imperium, is that of stagnation. For all the struggles, conflicts, crusades, and losses, nothing actually fundamentally CHANGES in the overall universe. Or at least does so at a rate that is not perceptible or lends itself to any narrative weight. All the great deeds and glorious accomplishments are in the past. As far as the residents of the Imperium are concerned, the Emperor has "always" been on the Golden Throne, neither alive nor dead. The forces of chaos and various Xenos factions have "always" been an ever encroaching but never quite overwhelming threat. And no matter how hard anyone fights, nobody ever really "wins" anything of actual consequence. As the tag line of the setting itself says: "In the grim darkness of the far future, there is only war." Not hope. Not victory. Not salvation or respite. Only ever war. That's fine for the backdrop of a strategic war game. Allows for the creation of armies of conflicting factions to play out battles whose only real cost and consequence is to the players. But for a meta narrative, it means that any time you delve into that background lore, detail the legendary characters who built and shape it, sooner or later you run into the problem that their trials and successes, failures and losses, MUST have some kind of impact on the setting. Alter it and, inevitably, push it forward in some way. And that's where GW has kind of written themselves into a bit of corner. To work internally, the WH40K universe can't ever really change. Yet to maintain its fanbase and feed its hunger for new additions, new models, new units, and new stories, it must. And inch by inch, story by story, author by author, it does. By doing so though it breaks a little further until you reach the point where they can't just undo or recon the parts that no longer work. But they can't keep them either without introducing plot holes, character inconsistencies, and literal setting breaking shark jumps. It's a wiser soul than I who knows what the answer is and lord and lady knows how many other settings across various other media and franchises have tried and failed to find it. I suppose it comes down first understanding what the root problem is and face the choice. Either suck it up and pull the trigger to allow for those big changes that could indeed fundamentally alter the entire setting. Or hit the reset button and revert back to a less bloated, more manageable version. Either way, it's going to piss somebody off. That's my take at least.
Very good and detailed post. I think they knew the setting was getting stale for a while now, that's why they're slowly bringing the Primarchs back and actually pushing the plot forward quite a bit lately. Still, as you've said, there are definitely some inconsistencies popping up whenever they "make a move" so to speak, which is understandable but still very frustrating.
To be fair, this disjointed and schizophrenic way of storytelling did impact far more than just Big E. Abaddon, Lorgar, the Traitor Legions, the Space Wolves, most of the Eldar lore. Most characters suffer from this and are either viewed wrongly by the fanbase or as a joke when they shouldn't be. I do believe GW has written themselves into a corner in most areas of 40k, but they did manage to get it right with Guilliman when Guy Haley wrote _Dark Imperium._ So this is not unsurmountable. They just need to pull their fingers off and start taking risks. (Again, with the Eldar lore.) ;/
Honestly they really should throw the Eldar a bone right now. Chaos and the Imperium are only getting stronger, and the last time the eldar got a W it was Ynnead which was instantly used to bring a Primarch back.
I completely agree with finding the lack of consistency frustrating I love the Emperor as a God or figure but find him lacking as a person although I suppose that could be a commentary on how he is so focused on his grand designs as to seem almost inhuman in conversation. Malcador did mention that the Emperor has devoted so much of himself to vision for humanity that he has essentially neglected and failed to nurture the parts of himself that do not directly benefit the Imperium thus you could say that his development of certain key aspects of humanity is stunted by this neglect making him seem cold and distant as even though he is right in front of you his thoughts are most likely always elsewhere. This could maybe explain the different treatment of Angron and Corax as Corax was one of the last to be found the Emperor may have learned from he previous mistakes, this isn't a perfect explaination though as he does then go on to raze Monarchia to teach Lorgar a lesson but I can't think of anything else off the top of my head. Of course I'm just theorising though what do you think?
I think you're trying to rationalize his inconsistency in a way that makes sense for you personally. I quite like your interpretation but essentially even if you try to draw a timeline (as you did) there are still some issues with it. I love the Emperor as a piece of the setting, but as a character he leaves much to be desired. Though I also think that writing a essentially inhuman character like him can be extremely difficult too.
I unironically believe that at least 80% of the Emperor's mistakes are a result of bad writing (especially by ADB) rather than things that Emps actually would've done
Yeah, most of the stuff definitely doesn't "fit" the Emperor at all. Then again, bad writing isn't actually something new in 40k by any means, unfortunately.
I think the problem here is that you seem to compare Sigmar in game lore to the Emperor in Horus Heresy. In pre-Horus Heresy game lore you could apply most of the things said of the Emperor with minimal changes: He acts with purpose, even when it means supporting parts of the imperium he doesn't like, such as creating the Storm of the Emperor's Wrath to save Sebastian Thor, and telling whatever he did to Alicia Dominica. Same thing with the new lore points you brought up. My biggest problem with what Horus Heresy did to the Big E is that his more flagrant misdeeds (ie the ones you see fandom usually level against him) don't make sense in the context of larger lore, and in fact seem to be author infighting. Abnett sets up a nice gotcha for Lorgar in Horus Rising: The Emperor clam's he's not divine, and Lorgar claims that's exactly what a god would say. But in the First Heretic ADB Lorgar soliloquing how apparently the Burning of Monarchia came without warning and Lorgar had no idea his flagrant violation of the Imperial Truth displeased the emperor. Similarly Lorgar in the same book claims Big E only wants his sons to be soldiers, when most of them have functions beyond that. But both in Horus Rising and Know No Fear Abnett states the opposite, and McNeill also lampshades this in A thousand Sons (and kinda sorta in Angel Exterminatus). Similarly Emperor's stance on the superhumans he created seems to have morphed to another cull after they've served their purpose. The problem here is that the Primarchs have too many obvious uses in a peaceful galaxy, and Space Marines lack all the issues of the Thunder Warriors. They are not questionably useful and bottlenecked for production like the Thunder Warriors were. Whenever the Emperor does something antagonistic, the game lore itself typically contradicts it, because the Emperor's behavior in that lore is to facilitate the existence of the larger setting. Meanwhile backstories of Mortarion, Perturabo, Magnus and even Horus have very good examples of the Emperor causing their fall, because the Emperor aggravates their flaws instead of antagonizing them. He's still a plot device, but he doesn't behave so blatantly for the demands of plot and drama. As for Primarch's being tools, I doubt he would have kept Angron, Lorgar and Kurze, ie the two Primarch's that were completely warped from his vision to them and the one actively hampering the Great Crusade, around if that was the case. You don't keep broken tools without sentiment, you fix them or throw them away.
What an extremely well thought out post. I appreciate you taking the time to make it. Regarding your points, I mostly agree. There really seems to be a disconnect between the writers most of the time, and I believe this is exactly the root of my issues with The Emperor. Different writers seem to have completely clashing perspectives on the Him, and as such, we get a mix of different opinions merging (poorly) together. My main point is that they should at least meet somewhere in the middle, because as it is, the character simply suffers from the lack of consistency. Your last point about him keeping the "broken" Primarchs is fair, but I believe there is a counterargument to be made here. The Great Crusade was a rushed affair, I don't believe the Emperor had the option to "throw away" even one Primarch. He needed as many as them as possible, to conquer as many worlds as possible. This is one of the reasons Lorgar was censored, I believe. He took too much time conquering worlds because he wasted precious time and resources into making those planets worship Big E. The exact reason why is never clearly stated, I think. But I'm pretty sure it was because the Orks were going to become a problem again, or something along those lines.
@@bas-tn3um Then why are the Ultramarines basically the Roman Empire? Why do the Imperial Fists and Iron Warriors prefer building over destroying? Why can the Salamanders and Space Wolves go back and visit their families after they become Astartes?
Thankfully, I think I'm getting better at writing scripts with every video I make, so hopefully you will enjoy my next video as much you did this one. Also, thank you for the support, I appreciate it a lot!
My personal guess is that Horus used the power of the Chaos Gods to "permanently" damage him. I still think he could heal from it eventually, it would just take longer. (probably)
Its probably impossible to write consistent lore not only when there are god knows how many people involved in it by now, but also about godlike beings like the emperor
Fair enough, but this problem is particularly significant when we're talking about the Emperor. The Primarchs are literal demigods and they manage to stay somewhat consistent, even when written by multiple writers.
I mean the inconsistencies with the emperor kinda make me like him as a character more. especially when I think every shaman that makes up the empor have to vote on the next action to take. might explain why his actions are different from the slightly different situations acts in as the shames have slight variations on action (complete headcanon tho)
@@noobatgames3321 That's honestly a cool perspective to have. The Emperor is such a complex character that even I have some headcanons about him. I just wanted to point out how his character works much better as a plot device than as an "individual". Inconsistency is frustrating, sure, but it doesn't make him any less interesting.
@@RedHierophant23 idk the primarchs are rather one dimensional for being such demigods. We also get many more books about them and their thinking that we ever got from the emperor And none of them can really constantly see the future like the emperor Like imagine you constantly see the future and almost always the same primarchs do evil shit, ruining your plans 24/7 that 100% is going to influence your behavior
Can you do each of the Chaos Gods motivations and their cults supposed perspectives? While we all know Khorne cares not the type of blood but the amount, we never truly see him answer clearly, he needs blood even though it cannot exist in his realm as a material object or concept? A more truer understanding is that Tzeentch is actually HONEST with his words and truly cannot lie due to his former nature as a warp spirit, his cults on the other hand, greatly disagree with his words and twists them into their own objective, thus intensifying their corruption of their power source. A wild but denied theory is that WH:AOS ended in some past while WH:F looped itself somehow to allow 40k to exist. This isn't the responsibility of Chaos but merely hasty planning from the Old Ones and further bad planning from our knife-eared cousins who thought time was fluid in the early formation of the universe. It is not, time is not water, it cannot flow forever and eventually becomes thick as mud and the land needs that water to replenish its fields.
I'll definitely make a video for each of the Chaos Gods eventually. But I do need some inspiration to discuss their ideals with any depth at all, so I'm putting it off for now. It's an easy video to make in theory, but I prefer making videos when I have something new to add to it, like an idea or my own perspective. We'll see. It's definitely on the table though, it's something I've considered multiple times now.
It's an interesting video, but I only partly agree with it. I don't think the example of Angron is a good illustration of the Emperor's fickleness. On the contrary: the fact that the Emperor let Angron's companions be killed is consistent with what we know about the character: - during the Great Crusade, the Emperor favoured diplomacy over war to win over the humans: if the planet he was on had agreed to join the Imperium, then getting involved in a civil war would have run counter to that objective, - The Emperor does not hesitate to get rid of potential allies when they are unreliable: for example, he bans the Lectitio Divinitatus, and has thunder warriors killed. Angron's companions were psychopaths, and it is likely that the Emperor felt that they would be a hindrance to the Great Crusade, - The Emperor generally shows a certain weakness towards his children. Seeing what had become of Angron, it would not have been inconsistent to get rid of him too; but as always, the Emperor wanted to give him a chance. It's regrettable, but there again it's consistent with the character, - Finally, the fact that the Emperor is affable with characters who are a bit mature, and cold with morons like Angron or Lorgar, isn't a sign of incoherence, I'd even say it's a very banal way of doing things... But I do agree that the Emperor is often portrayed in an inconsistent way. But I think it's simply due to some turf battles between Games Workshop authors, as well as a recent desire on the part of the company not to put the Emperor in a good light, because totalitarian regimes are "not nice". For example, in the classic lore the Emperor intervened severely against Lorgar because he was persecuting conquered populations to make them accept his religion; whereas in the new lore the Emperor simply acts absurdly by committing a pointless genocide on an imperial world.
I appreciate the response, mate. I think I have some arguments to make here too. The Emperor didn't need to directly intervene in the Civil War of Nuceria to save Angron's companions. The world had already agreed to surrender to the Imperium, he could simply land in the middle of the battle and tell them to stop, and everybody would've stopped immediately. I don't think Emps even landed on the planet at all, he simply teleported Angron away and called it a day. There wasn't really anything to be "lost" at that point, the situation was entirely under his control. You've mentioned how they were too dangerous and unstable to keep, even as tools or to simply please Angron. But remember what became of the World Eaters? They became even more bloody and insane than ever, under Angron's command, and the Emperor still found a use for them. Now, admittedly, he might have let them die exactly for that reason, so their violent ways wouldn't infect Angron's legion. But if that was the intention, He failed completely. Outside of those points, I think were pretty much in agreement.
@@RedHierophant23 "But remember what became of the World Eaters? They became even more bloody and insane than ever, under Angron's command, and the Emperor still found a use for them." Sure, but as I said that's the flaw that the Emperor tends to consistently have towards his own sons : he's always willing to give them a chance, even when it doesn't seem reasonable : even when facing Horus he hesitates, wich let horus strike a mortal blow 🤷 So yeah, it would have been reasonable to get rid of Angron too, or at least to not give such a psycho with brain nails full primarch powers, and by not doing this he fails to keep control over the crusade. But of course my point is not that it was a reasonable choice to make ; but that it's coherent with the character of the Emperor, who is kind of a weak father, who often tends to want to give his children another chance, even when it seems really unreasonable.
@@RedHierophant23 When you think about it, Angron is really a trash-tier primark. When the Emperor finds them, practically all his brothers have acquired a dominant position on the plant on which they landed; whereas he is a slave, and on the verge of losing his civil war. For that reason alone, it was quite doubtful whether he actually deserved his place as Primarch in the Great Crusade.
@@fraterleonatus5864 True, but I guess my point is that Emps can be somewhat biased in favor of some of his sons, over others. About Angron being trash-tier, I kinda agree, but honestly he just wasn't built for taking planets over from within. He isn't the smartest or most charismatic Primarch, not even by a long shot, and there is a limit to what you can with pure strength alone. He could probably take someone like Russ in a 1v1 fight (or possibly not, since Russ is said to be pretty damn strong) but he isn't even close to being as smart as Russ, who isn't even a particularly smart Primarch. Really thinking on it, Angron really does suck, huh. lmao
The way I see it the emperor always planned to destroy those son's that didn't live up to his standards he saw angron as a broken tool maybe seeing future's where he rebeled and so decided to cause such events. I think ever Primark he miss treated he was pushing to betray him so after his victory of the great crusade he can justify the minimising of the legions and a complete stopping of any future astartes being made. He did not however plan on his son's turning to chaos just betraying him and was not expecting so many to fall Such as magnus and fulgrim. I do believe he did love his son's but it was conditioal based on there fitting in to his new imperium.
Also additional point I think the reason why he keeps and tries to use these broke tools is because he needs to get the crusade done quickly he already seen how powerful the chaos gods are as they scaterd the Primarks and I imagine big E can see tragedy on the horizon maybe his own death in the future/golden throne so he is desperately trying to get humanity ready and that is why he uses men like angron and given time properly would have been able to save curze.
He definitely had more expectations to some of his sons and this probably bled into the way he treated them, in a way. I don't believe he was actively pushing them to betray him, but I can understand why you feel that way, considering what he did to Lorgar. Angron's case is more good old neglect than actively antagonizing him though.
@@guardsman-against-the-chaos I think it's pretty much confirmed that The Great Crusade needed to be rushed. The second The Emperor destroyed the Orks in Ullanor he retreated to Terra to work on the webway project. I think every single one of those "moves" he made were rushed at least partially, like he was preparing for something.
I agree! I think he only created the Imperium because the absolutely needed to, but his methods were simply too cruel. Goes to show how doomed humanity was without this extreme approach, if he HAD to resort to that to save humanity from Chaos.
@@RedHierophant23 But did he simply doom humanity in a different way? We should always be sceptical of TINA, whether it be the Emperor's Imperial Truth, or Abaddon's First The Gate, Then The Palace mentality. But then, if everyone was reasonable and talked things through, we wouldn't have a setting, so...
@@TruculentSheep At the end of the day, a slowly crumbling Imperium is still better than a galaxy vored by Chaos. Still, at this point is just picking the lesser of two evils. At the end of the day, evil is evil, doesn't matter if it's "lesser" or not.
@@RedHierophant23 I do wonder if humans in the 40k setting aren't driven towards a kind of indirect suicide. Many stories in the setting have a "better dead than red" or psychopath's utilitarian discourse about them. But then, as the Necrons say, we are a nihilistic species.
@@TruculentSheep It's no wonder people are quick to rush to their deaths, the galaxy absolutely sucks for everyone who isn't a Ork and an enlarged bug. I think about it sometimes, their faith in the Emperor really is one of the few reliefs the Imperium citizens are even allowed to have.
despite me *loathing* that Sigmar hasn't honored his mortal friends (AND WIFE) on AOS (putting statues, naming places after them, etc) i at least like that he doesn't seem out of character. It still saddens me that....GW forgot about his trilogy and the people he loved and fought for.
We can only hope this gets expanded eventually. Age of Sigmar is in it's infancy, compared to the other settings. But I agree with you, there is a lot of stuff that they could've used from Fantasy.
@@RedHierophant23 for how long that'd excuse will last i wonder....it has existed since 2015, so, i personally say it had *plenty* of time. But i like Sigmar a lot, so i guess i am happy he's still a good guy. Still, very out of character for him.
@@enocescalona That's fair, they really had more than enough time to flesh that out. Sigmar is one of my favorites characters in any Warhammer setting, hopefully I'll get to talk about him and Fantasy/Age of Sigmar soon.
@@RedHierophant23 i'd be happy to see your analysis on him on his trilogy, get his Omnibus if you can. It is well worth it. You know the Total Warhammer trailer, where Franz crushed the table with his hammer to bring order to the meeting? Sigmar did it first.
I appreciate the compliment a lot, brother. I don't think I'm at that level yet, but I will certainly try to improve myself to reach it eventually. I'm really glad you've enjoyed it so much though, thank you.
Angron gets a weird case as he arrived and offered him his primarchs position but angron said no I’ll die fighting here or win on my own. So the big e let him fight. He was going to die so he teleported him out
I can understand that people see Him as they want to see Him, and that's honestly pretty interesting imo. My problem is that even with that, there should be a "baseline" to his actions, perspectives can change depending on the person, sure, but his actions should very much be his own.
@@RedHierophant23 yeah I get IT, altough I am pretty new to this so I need to know more for understanding, but what I have so far from this Is the thing that "beware of the consistency of writers"(I mean from my "newbie" perspective IT Is wast universe of information so Not always you get to remmember corectly or something else) secondly, thats the propblem with Long standing plans... I don't know If brain of others Work like this, but from my perspective you do something that makes sence to you to aqquire your goal... Your limitations in planing are mainly your perceptions of your self and your capabilities, imagine god in human flesh, that basicly can read minds And See into future who Is capable leader And have experience of milions lifes... Offcourse we as humans will not see system in that unless we somehow Cut Off our humanity And even than, because of us not bring on that god level we would maybe understood like... 5%? Also people see him as they want to see him because they give him certain traits... He could be clean slaight but human nature Is that that they basicly project shit, more popular you are more positive traits they project basicly they Thema self create illusion around you and you can hide in IT sonetimes If you are smart enough or arent me... You also do the same thing to people you feed into thé projection just to get more grip for what you want... I don't think that emperror makes heart based decision for few millenias now, he basicly sets the goal And go for it annymeaning necesary... IT Is like you gave your self rule that you never want to break even If later in life IT doesn't make sence but you still keep it never breaking it... Because to be honest If emperror would not have that goal he would murk him self pretty much long time ago because He sees shit And it basicly ends with people don't have to do shit And the universe will still be in some shape or form BUUUT what if people could do the shit... And try to survive to the ends of times .... In that case I would propably think that emperror wanted to be god tough If you have no longer body, you somehow survive in that other realm... But what If you cannot survive If you don't have followers... (Something like chaos gods making their own?) Or maybe you can but If you are not worshipped you can't do shit... Than majority of human kind would acctually be Handy something like mutual symbiotic relationship... Ok this is acctually cool I now wander about same thing as you
I Don't like my hypothesis IT would just sugest that gods fucking turning normal people agains each other just to show other gods who is "bigger boss" just because they are bored in THAT case If I am atleast halfly right... I HOPE emperror wants to make humanity really huge faction just for him to ascendent to godhood And whoop ass of other gods because they are fucking childish pieces of something If they have to toy with lifes of people like that... Thats why I like thé renegate god
@@JanaSzIsBasicGlitch You're talking about Malice, right? I wish he would play a larger part in the lore. But I guess we have Vashtorr now somewhat filling his shoes, though it isn't the same thing. And yes, Chaos is just irredeemably evil and treat their subjects like toys (or food).
I hope this doesn't affect your opinion on the video, but this is AI voiced. I tried to use my own voice, even bought a mic for that purpose, but unfortunately the results weren't satisfying at all. I will eventually buy a better mic and possibly use my own voice if that's what my subs want, but for now I think using this voice is the best choice. The script was completely written by me though. Every single word. So hopefully you enjoyed that aspect of the video too. Thank you for the support, brother.
@@RedHierophant23 no not at all , I’ll be honest maybe about 15 minutes in I did start to suspect it was AI just because some of the pronunciations but for me personally it doesn’t take away too much from the immersion, you’re a terrific writer , I also used a AI voice for my short stories
@@jackcharlie9322 I appreciate the compliment, my man. Especially when you're clearly a better writer than me. lol I believe myself quite rough around the edges, but I'm constantly improving with every script, which is honestly one of the reasons why I even made this channel in the first place.
@@RedHierophant23 thank you much appreciated my guy. even if you believe that bro you have a very extensive and deep understanding of the substructure of the lore , with each video you will become more refined and you will find your recipe
@@jackcharlie9322 Hopefully you will be around here to give me some feedback in the future. I really enjoyed your prose, it was very engaging, even for a short story. Worlds Eaters are damn cool, man. I'm a certified Kharn simp.
