Yeah, unfortunately it's one of those plotlines they've quickly abandoned. It would be cool to see Clonegrim leading a "warband" of loyalist Emperor's Children though.
@@RedHierophant23 Given Fulgrim was known as "The Palatine Phoenix", "The Phoenix" and "The Phoenician" though, I think he's destined to rise from the ashes of his fall. The presence of two Fulgrims in the Galaxy would represent the "phoenix in flight" and the "phoenix in flames" IMHO.
True, it is a real shame what happened to him after Daemonhood. He's kinda boring now. Also, The Emperor's Children are severely underrated, they surely would've helped considerably, particularly during the siege. The reason they were useless (on the Chaos side of things) was because all the things that made them great were wasted after their fall.
man the pre-heresy Emperor's Children are my favourite legion, the post-heresy Emperor's Children are probably my least favourite subfaction, between them being completely useless, having no overarching goal (even if its just to find the most powerful drug at least that would be something) and their 'flagship' character of Lucius being a badly written mockery, its definitely an impressive fall from grace but imo they fell to the point of being useless in the setting and uninteresting in their stories, with Lucius its either he wins or he dies in a way that should kill him but doesnt because the rules of his own ability arent actually rules, with the legion as a whole its just being useless, even Night Lords feel like they have more of an impact on the setting and their strategy is literally beating whoever is much weaker than them
I completely agree. There is nothing interesting about them anymore. I don't think they even strive to perfect themselves after the fall. They just embody the worst traits associated with Slaanesh, which is pure depravity, and that's boring. Going from a Legion of extremely talented and hardworking individuals to that is just a shame, really.
Going from the build up they're giving the EC there's a section who hate that they're so damn trash and want to go back to being soldiers and warriors. If they focus on the phoenix conclave right we might actually see an interesting resurgence of the EC
True. There were some key moments in which he almost managed to wrestle control back. The most notable one being when he almost gave the order to destroy Horus' flagship, basically ending the Heresy right there. But he really was only able to even consider that because the Laer Blade wasn't by his side at that moment and the second it was brought to him by one of his sons, he immediately disregarded those thoughts. It's a really shame, but it also adds to the tragedy of it all.
I Pity Konrad but i Weep for Fulgrim. Out of all the astarties the only ones who i can compare my actual life to are the Emperors Children. My obession with Working out and my failures with addiction my struggles to overcome that and better my situation i relate to them specifiically.
The struggle makes us better, brother. That's precisely my problem with the Emperor's Children, they simply gave up, and now their vices are all that define them. They could have been so much more. Fulgrim wanting something better for all humanity was his best trait. He truly wished for all of us to reach our potential. It's as inspiring as it is tragic.
That would've definitely been more interesting than getting railroaded by a talking sword. He always had a foot on Slaanesh's door with the whole "obsession with perfection" thing.
The neckbeard obsession with magic swords has ruined so much of the warhammer lore. Fulgrim didn't fall because of his arrogance, or obsession or some humanizing character flaw, he picked up an evil sword. Robutte Guilliman can fix everything, but first he has to go on a stupid fetch-quest to find seven magic swords.
Completely agree. The fact that the main reason Fulgrim fell was because of a talking sword detracts from his character a bit. It would be interesting to see how he would've fallen without that.
@@RedHierophant23 An alternate way to look at Fulgrim's fall is that it was his love for beautiful things and arrogance that made him pick up the Laer blade in the first place. The whole scene with the temple and the orgy and all that is pretty much summarised with "bad juju", and the Imperial Truth says "don't go around hoarding Xenos stuff, it's crap and you never know what kind of alien germs are all over it! Xenos bad, humanity good, take a bulldozer/orbital bombardment to anything with bad juju."... But Fulgrim just can't help himself.
How did Guilliman resist that demon crown that tried to make him believe he would become the new Emperor? He immediately threw it off. Yet Fulgrim thought nothing about a talking sword 😅
The worst part is that he thought those fucked up thoughts were his. Actually insane, imagine the kind of stuff a Keeper of Secrets would whisper into someone's ear. lol
Fulgrim was captivated by how beautiful the sword looked tbh. And it wasn't just the blade. The moment he and others entered the temple, there was a ritual happening. Everyone that entered the temple, was corrupted eventually.
@@alexhulea2735 yeah, having just read the first five HH books, including Fulgrim, I think that this is the piece of the puzzle that everyone misses. Every single Remembrancer and Astartes who went into the temple was corrupted. The legions who stayed loyal and got cut down at Isstvan III were the ones who couldn't go into the temple. Ostian and the other Remembrancers who never got to go down to the surface remained unaffected by attempts to recreate the Laer temple on The Pride of the Emperor. The Temple clearly had an impact on Fulgrim too, which is a big part of why he took that sword. Plus, in other primarch novels, especially Ferrus', we see that the Emperor's Children have an intense appreciation of finely crafted blades and that they take and give them as trophies, so it makes even more sense that he took the blade as a spoil of victory. Then consider the fact that they didn't fully understand the warp and that they thought that the entities whispering them were just weird, immaterial Xenos. Very few of the traitor Primarchs had the foreknowledge that they needed to fight off Chaos' influence.
Problem wasnt chaos, problem was shitty book called mirror'cracked. Fulgrim's ending aside from that awful canon book was 10/10 with alot of potential that isnt copium with clonegrim.
Oh, I think you mean Reflection Crack'd. And yeah, I mostly agree, that book really threw his possible character arc into the trash. It's actually sad how much potential he had.
@@RedHierophant23 it doesnt even deserve to be named correctly (even if it was really due to me misremembering the name) Thats how much ruin that singular short book if I recall, ruined fulgrim and by extension his sons to a degree.
@@funbro99 Ngl, in hindsight I think that book is probably the main reason why I made this video in the first place. It was such a complete disservice to the character it's actually crazy.
It is important to note that every clone of Fulgrim refuses to turn traitor. Without the Laer blade Fulgrim would have been a key administrator like Gulliman
What was that? He was stuck in the painting at the end of the book with a daemon inhabiting his body, but in a short story they changed that, telling that he talked it out with the daemon to get his body back and was completely on the side of Chaos now. I wish they had at least shown that conversation. Would make his comeback to his physical body and turn more believable if they could do it right.
@@RedHierophant23I really wish that instead of giving us the weird torture fest that was Reflexion Crack’d, they’d instead shown us how Fulgrim got control of his body back. I think that they could’ve written a really dark and compelling story developing all the psychological horror that they set up in the HH Fulgrim novel where Fulgrim had to embrace Chaos in order to escape whatever awful torments he was going through or make a deal with Slaanesh or leave the good parts of himself behind or…something. But instead, we got…a lot of stuff RU-vid probably doesn’t want me to say.
I think it would have been amazing to see Fulgrim reject chaos after killing his buddy Ferrus showing the the grip of chaos was not absolute, and those strong willed enough can resist or even reverse its taint. Not to mention seeing Fulgrim's reaction to it, and how the emperor would punish Fulgrim would be very interesting to see. Would Fulgrim be executed or would he be imprisoned potentially willingly.
He would probably fight in the Heresy, first and foremost. I don't think they would deny the help of a Primarch and his legion, but after that, I'm not sure. If it ends with the Emperor on the Throne anyway, I think the other Primarchs would have killed him.
You know how the Black Templars went on an endless crusade and the Dark Angels are obsessed with redeeming themselves past the point of sanity? I imagine that is what Fulgrim would do after he comes to his senses and switches sides back to the loyalists. Presuming the other Primarchs don't get rid of him the moment Big E sits on the Golden Throne forever.
Honestly wish there was more written about sang and fulgrim interacting somone who perfection comes almost naturally and somone who’s obsessed with striving twards perfection make such good foils for each other.
The only thing that ruins his charecter is that stupid book that says he came back from being trapped in a panting and took his body back. Everything through thsle story, from being slowly corrupted by the blade, to being trapped in the painting and losing his body, thus disgusting hid frllow traders as he was now just a costume being worn was absolutely tragic. His chaos persona was just stupid.
I acctualy think that Fulgrim might have the greatess come back. since he is posseded by a demon make him influence the deamon to stole the blade the Eldar need he can trade it for help getting is soul in is clone body. now you have a weapon agains slanesh a primarch back with all the drama of him trying to explain him self to is brother you can still have a deamon fulgrim. you can even make Eldrad stop looking like a idiot make him seeing the future where they can (maybe) kill a chaos god because of fulgrim and postpond the end time It wont happen but hell that would be so awsome
10:18 You ask why? Because one madman, the madman who made this particular piece of art too, took it as his quest to draw all of them as Women. Someone might correct me but I think besides Alpharius and Omegon he has done all of them. The pictures are bangers so I can't realy complain
Fair enough. Personally, I like him a lot before the whole chaos corruption thing, but I can honestly understand why people don't. Ferrus Manus is a completely wasted character though, he could've been much more interesting. Take his sons as an example, the Iron Hands are actually pretty cool.
@@yomommashouse9594 HAHA YOU’RE RIGHT!!! 😂😂😂 I had garro on the brain! I just finished flight of the Eisenstein, so that’s probably why! I meant to say Saul tarvitz! 😂😂😂 so embarrassed! Although I do love garro as well! Gotta say though, ancient rylanor and that stunt he pulled with the virus bomb… 😍🥰🥹 oh man! I think I actually CHEERED when the thousand son was inspired by his nobility and helped the bomb go off! So good!!!
Its fine it happens to us all! Rylanors story not matter how many times I hear it is just so good. Especially the thousand sons who gave their lives. The sheer thought of three sons of Magnus a legion thats one of if not thee smallest giving their lives just to fuck over Fulgrim and based off nothing but Rylanors nobility always brings a manly tear to my eye.
I say Fulgrim getting back control of his body and agreeing Chaos is cool undermines Clonegrim. Before you could say that Fulgrim's soul escaped to the clone, making it the actual Fulgrim,but now you can't.
True. Still better audio quality than my mic and this voice is also kinda soothing too. Trying to make it pronounce "Nikaea" still gives me nightmares to this day.
Oh you did very well, I really enjoyed the lore, it wasn't distracting at all, in fact the opposite, quite immersive. Think about it, you could integrate quotes by famous characters using other voices ❤
@@NIL0S I was considering doing something like that! Quotes are better placed in Character Dive type videos, so this one was a bit of a lost opportunity, but that is definitely something I plan to do in the future! I'm really glad you've enjoyed it too.
Didn't the Emperor grant the Aquila to the legion after they thwarted an assassination attempt? Or was that retconned? I could swear in the Heresy novel that Fulgrim had mixed feelings towards the honor since he wasn't yet around to have received any credit.
Another imperium fan wanting a loyal Fulgrim why am I not surprised at all. Time to cry and seethe over the fact that Fulgrim and any other clone story line is absolute garbage Marvel level writing and there’s literally no chance of him coming out of the vault.
