The End for X-Wing and Armada - My Initial Reaction 

Yeah only legion and shatter point if I’m not mistaken. Might as well call it Ground Wars.

I've been working on a history report because I expected this coming. Weirdly there's rarely been one in the first place. So really nothing new

It's now "Ground Wars"

Keep it, put it in storage, and when we're all old farts we still have one game in the basement

@danteunknown2108 I don't have space, unfortunately. I have to significantly cut back on my hobbies.

@@PhoenixFyre rough, but understandable.

"we did not actively support you for 2 whole years. we feel very sorry for you trying to buy a second venator"

They literally could have just asked the community if they would have accepted any caveats to save the game. They could have. But they don't care about that. For them, it's just money. I get that. I don't agree with it, but I guess that's it. :(

@@Hawkeye83627 true, thats the essence of what happened here. it also implies that you as a customer, that may is interested in more niche systems, is to buy all models at once if you initially like the system, so you can be sure to, you know, be set up for a game, kind of. If it is then to be dead on spot or later on does not affect you as much. did we have the time to buy all the models we need? yes. did we fear the worst when AMG got the license for pretty much nothing? hells yeah. but solid 2 years later, they feel sorry. all good.

@@terranceskill Ehhhh, not entirely true imo. I was fresh out of highschool when Armada released, going to college I barely had money for food, let alone a tabletop game. I'm shocked and surprised I didn't hear about it then because I'm a gigantic Star Wars nerd. As much as I love FFG for making it, I feel like they botched the marketing. I lived breathed ate drank and slept Star Wars for years, it was only ahead of the Starhawk's release in the game that I heard about it for the first time. Gotta disagree about AMG being sorry. They didn't do anything to keep the game afloat. They didn't reach out to the community to see if they could keep the product going in a more profitable way. They're not sorry because they didn't really care much or at all from the beginning. I'm not exactly extra bothered by that byw, I just always have to roll my eyes and flip the finger at a company saying 'sorry' when they didn't really care in the first place. I'm hoping maybe I can cop a good deal off anyone who dumps their collection, I know I'll be keeping mine.

@@Hawkeye83627 armada has hit europe in a.. lets say second big down-time of x-wing. nobody really trusted in ffg to land another success let alone a stable system. lot's of bad-mouthing happened, and like you allready said - no real advertisement in any direction. felt like it was all of a sudden just available. i'm rolling with a huge sadgasm atm, dunno why it hits hard. i dont want it to be "another dead system" but its a fact now. i really wish for someone maybe offering his ships for a normal price, so i can complete my fleet, and even if i just have a look at them for now and then, i just like them so much.

I agree 100%! Next to 40K and Kill Team, X-Wing miniatures are my favorite tabletop games of all time.

Their next game will be a war crime.

It's the EA of tabletop games.

That's technically a hospice. Speak of a prestigious business model for AMG !!

They won't sadly. Community driven games are a myth. It's never worked. Heck just look at the folks that want to run 1st or 2nd Ed X-wing communities. They exist, they produce content, no one plays it, most don't even know they're there.

​@@danteunknown2108community driven games exist, the problem largely is they can only ride out the wave from a project dying, pathfinder is a good example, born from DND having a single bad edition, but a good community ran game can easily keep itself alive for decades, even games like man o' war from warhammer fantasy have playgroups to this day and it released in 1993, and it was on shelves for a total of 2 years

Necromunda was a good example of a community driven game keeping it alive till GW wised up and started a revamped edition. Battlefleet gothic is a current example.

@@danteunknown2108 Who can say what will happend but i’m still positive and it does seem most of the armada community is feeling positive and ready to support something. That makes me excited.

@@danteunknown2108 imperial assault community has the game going GOOD for skirmish and of course, battlefleet gothic survived with no support at all

Already started printing

@@ReverTitan from who all i have found was one guy on cults 3d just imperil stuff mostly

Not stls, but mels Miniatures has a large number of armada scale ships. Unfortunately due to people selling printed ships they had to remove access for the stls and they just sell printed ones... hope that is of some help?

Start?

@@nathancoghill9802 crazy prices for those armada ships and tokens they have but xwing sized ships seem reasonably priced

Yeah man, I still exclusively play 1.0

The switch to 2.0 is when I quit the game. I think that was the main thing that killed X-wing. It reduced the dedicated player base and when the casual players got tired of 2.0 it crumbled

@Darkstar4619 yeah, I don't blame you. Conversion kits were so expensive as well, so it just wasn't worth it for me. I only ever played 'kitchen table' style anyway, so it didn't bother me that I couldn't play comp or stores

V2 also changed the game feel too much. And as much as these licensed games have a limited pool of stuff to include, i was ok with buying repaints with new cards as it kept the game evolving. If they had made a new Luke every year i would have been perfectly happy to slap down the cash

"Can't pay Chinese workers less" is why. Should have continued making them, minus paint. Cast imps in grey, rebs in white, let the player do the rest.

its a copying lie chinese handwork is cheap as F

@@pedrojustice Agreed, this is just a poor excuse by AMG and Asmodee. The new Battletech boxes coming with one of the four minis in them pre-painted in notable color schemes for a hero mech or something similar plus full color unit cards are only a little bit more expensive than what AMG and Asmodee were charging for a single ship mini. AMG and Asmodee are just using any excuse they can to justify how poorly this game has been run since the move to AMG. Not saying FFG was perfect with it either, the change to 2.0 was rough... but stabilizing and starting to grow again after the initial mess.

Awesome thank you!

Suspicions? My guy, he's the head of the studio. He knew months ago. If not a year possibly. He had to sit at the table where the decision was made.

​@@danteunknown2108True, but my guess is that the decision was only made relatively recently. They also needed to see how well the recent starter packs were selling before pulling the plug.

@@SeanChriscole That decision was probably made a LOOONG time ago. They just wouldnt come out with it until they sold out everything. If they would have announced it sooner, nobody would buy it.

Do you think they knew they were discontinuing epic when they sold the Trident? AMG has been playing pokerface all along and people are just shocked pickachu

@@aaronau433 My guess is that AMG had corporate overlords tell them to stop making products under x profit margin, 3-6 months before the new x-wing stuff stopped coming out. They finished out the product line but weren't allowed to end the game cause of either an ip deal or because reprints were profitable enough due to a lack of rnd over head.

Get ready for those to go back up to like $100+. I have one, wish I had bought more.

Are we asking for too much😭

It's almost like Asmodee handed them a bunch of stuff they didn't ask for, huh?

@@ARCcommand They didn't make their situation any better when they not only made the people from FFG willing to transfer over to continue working on the products not only apply for their jobs at AMG and go through the hiring process like regular people off the street... and the ones they DID take... they let go of shortly afterwards. Hard to develop a product when you don't have anybody TO develop the product that your parent company gave you. AMG mismanaged this relatively poor situation due to their own hubris, and had the tools to have dealt with it if they didn't act like children and treat the FFG crew like trash when the games moved over.

I don't buy Legion; no appeal for me, and I refuse to support after the way Armada (and Xwing, although I am primarily an Armada player) has been handled. Went from amazing sales, to total mismanagement.

Still though, I am in the process of creating my own community for disaffected fans. If Disney won't fix their universe and produce good games, we'll make our own.

I agree with 100 %.

I miss Max Brooks and the other two Brooks more myself, but Davey did have a good run too. Cheers.

Ding ding! 😔 right on mark I believe

I think the silence wasn't AMG's choice, will said they had been trying to make announcement for awhile but were blocked by their corporate partners, so it's LF or Asmoddee to blame for that one

That’s not how communication works and you know it! Now please stop hating and bitching about, thank you very much.

There is a ton of it floating around, and tons of 3d print support, and a very active community. Like Epic did for decades, it is really all set to go community and thrive...

Prices have gotten ridiculous it was way to much for the value. The last 5 years was just stupid.

@@keithpalmer4547 here is the problem with that logic. When xwing first introduced medium ships, a large ship was $30, a medium $20, and a small $15. The new Star Trek core set features 2 large ships 1 medium ship and 3 small ships. At the prices listed above, that's $125 for just the ships alone. Wizkids is charging $150 for the core set. Remember that the core set also comes with everything else required to play the game. Does that seem like a huge price increase to you?

I don’t think it was AMG’s decision honestly

I’m going to take one of my several Y wings and attempt to make a silicone mold out of it as a test.

So lets do it...

As if AMG hab any saying in this! 😂 It’s the large umbrella-companies that decide stuff!

I agree, I think they’re being forced to do legion because it sells so well. But their heart is clearly with shatterpoint.

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