The Engine of the Dark Side? Daimler-Benz DB-600 series - Part 2 

He had Pervitin 😂 ( meth) though🎉 That was the difference😂

And Thats just the tip of the iceberg

@@jakobquick6875 everybody had it though

News Flash, they didn't start the war. it was forced on them

shhhh you can't say that@@daveedesanta6318

G'day, That's too long a Bow to be drawing, for a cheap nostalgic Tearjerker of an assertion like that.... The ENGINE's having failed didn't kill Marseilles, so much as his own decision to continue flying behind the smoking overheating Engine until it lit up in a Fuel/Oil fed "Convection Runaway" style of an Engine Fire - thereby obliging himself to try bailing-out in the hell of a hurry, blinded by Smoke and trying to avoid being cooked by flames blowing back in his face... (and, remember that the Bf/Me-109's Cockpit Seat was built into the upper side of the Fueltank...). Therefore, thus, and because - it was Marseilles who killed Marseilles, by bailing out too late, in too much of a last-moment panic...; and he fcuked it up, letting himself get belted on the head by the Tailplane as it went past him - and then while unconscious he was unable to pull his Ripcord, so he was only stopped from falling when Litho-Braking intervened in his trajectory. Pontificating with 20/20 Hindsight..., it's easy to see that a far better option would have been electing to Force Land, wheels-up, in the Desert maybe 5 minutes earlier - or carefully and deliberately bailing-out before being chased out of the Cockpit by Flames..., again - several minutes before he actually jumped at the last possible instant. And thus sealed his own fate. Just(ifiably ?) sayin', Have a good one... Stay safe. ;-p Ciao !

@@WarblesOnALot okay so you saying it ain't the fault of the engine to begin with?

It was the fault of unreliable fuels with inconsistent anti-knock properties.

@@davidelliott5843 G'day, Och, aye, indeed ; the unstable Fuel was a factor... And not only but also there was that decision to volunteer to "Take the King's Shilling" (referring to the Recruiters of Mad King Ludwig, of Lichtenstein, whose trick of putting a Coin in the Beermug of local Yokels - so that after toasting to the Health of (the Mad) Good King Ludwig and drinking the free Beer they were hit in the mouth by the Coin, which once they grasped..., meant they had sworn an Oath to King Ludwig and accepted their First Payment. So they were in the Army....; as a result of which, to this day "Traditional Beer Mugs" are Pewter Vessels with Glass Bottoms, so that on the call "Bottoms Up !", one could look up through the bottom to see any possible Coin lurking within....). So, there's a point of view from which Marseilles chose to decide to Volunteer to be paid to be trained and armed and uniformed and fed and deployed..., to shoot at Strangers on the advice from a Politician to the effect that his "National Honour" depended on, and demanded, him and a lot of his Age Cohort go out and die in a Ditch while attacking or defending a Crossroads in the middle of nowhere that anybody in their Hometown had ever previously heard of... Dying while bailing out of a burning Fighter, alight because it's experimental Fuel wrecked it's Engine while on an Operational Military Sortie...; that's merely the final End-Point which followed an extended "Lineup of Holes" in the Swiss-Cheese Causuality Model of how to crash an Aeroplane... Life is a Multifactorial Equation, and clearly - agreeing to fight for Adolf involves trusting Adolf to supply "good" and "safe" Fuel, with which to run the Engines of the Aeroplanes tasked with pursuing and chastising the "Designated Enemies (Any Me's ?)" of Durr Reich(!). As the 1st and 2nd Australian Imperial Forces (all volunteer, both Wars...) used to say to anybody who tried to complain (at places like Gallipoli, Beersheba, Poizieres, Fromelles, Passchendaele, Bretonneaux, Crete, Greece, Tobruk, El Alamain, Malaya, Singapore, Ambon, Timor, Papua & New Guinea, Bougainville, Tarawa..., as well as flying Bombers, Fighters, and Coastal Command over Europe and the Middle East.... "If you can't Take a Joke...; Then you Never Should have Enlisted, Digger - Not in this Man's Army...!" I'm pretty sure that Marseilles VOLUNTEERED to enlist, and then APPLIED for Flight Training... Perfect Liberty Invokes Perfect Responsibility. Quod Erat Demonstrsndum. Such is life, Have a good one... Stay safe. ;-p Ciao !

@@davidelliott5843 so the previous 109Fs also face failures due to faulty fuels?

Check out Greg's Airplanes and Automobiles for a video on that if you haven't already.

The so called _Kommandogeraet_

Wëhräböös are strangely quiet about the Battle of Britain loosing Bf109E not having a constant speed propeller. Too much knowledge required.

@@givenfirstnamefamilyfirstn3935 we are taking abozr the Fw190 here, not the Bf109! And for your information: They did develop a constant speed propeller during the conflict! Actually, the Bf 109 E was quite up to same level as the Spitfire then!

@@alfredfabulous3640 Yes the Bf109F got a constant speed prop. It was trialed in late Es but like in the initial Fs it was locked out of automatic control for a short period during early teething problems.

Oh yeah, just like when Humongous hit the nitrous in Mad Max.

@Rick2010100 Nitrous and forced induction are only used to force more oxygen into the combustion chamber than the engine could ingest on it's own.

Cool....!!

@@Rick2010100 didn't the russians have a sort of 'turbo' engine uploading through a sort of 'swirl' or 'vortex' device in the manifold area as well?

but the more meta question is; is all of that really the fault of the engine itself? To me it seems to be more of external problem

@@Keckegenkai to be fair, im quite certain a lot of problems do stems from external problem

They also had impressed and slave labour who would sometimes stick flares in between the lower rear pair of cylinders in BMW801 motors, where they'd not be noticed until the engine caught fire on takeoff.

@@Splattle101 oh yeah, this i do remember where one of the only flying original Fw-190 with its original BMW 801 was found with a rag on the intake manifold, which makes the plane crash into what used to be an opening, that Fw-190 is flight capable after it was refurbished :D

@@Splattle101I find this doubtful, where would a labourer get flares from, they’d have to signed out from stores, not left lying about on the production line. The engines would in any case be fired up and signed off by the factory, they wouldn’t wait until the new plane was shipped 2,000kms to the Russian front.

Same counts for the Spitfire!

@@alfredfabulous3640 Not to the same degree. The Mark II, and Mark V are still the same aircraft essentially, same with the MK IX. Only the MK VIII differed significantly. The only true argument you can make as far as whole new airframes is the HF variants, and the Late Griffon MK 22 and MK 24. Everything besides that had the same tail, same fuel placements, same radiator installations, same wings… The HF went all the way back, it’s more of a appliqué package than a different aircraft entirely (like the Fredrick is to the Emil). Overall all the records the 109 had can be wiped on the basis of they are totally different aircraft. For America we don’t count kills for the A-36 Apache for the P-51 Mustang. Why do that because Germany failed to make a new name for a new batch of entirely new aircraft.

@@BARelement nope, Sir - I disagree....! It was built basically by improving the basic design of the Bf109, albeit with ever stronger engines! The airframe was from beginning right through the end the same.

You find quite a lot of aircraft where this applies, too. Spitfire as already mentioned, P40, FW190, Gloster Meteor, ... It also fits quite good to other vehicles, like T-34 or PzIV.

See BuOrd & the Mk14 torpedo

And still they won the war.....so what?

You think they would like to emulate the reliability of the Panther and the Tigers?

I guess that Swedish is the best given they built it in peaceful condition. Italian and Japan from what I heard lacked 20 ps compare to German build engine. Also Japan ones suffered from myriad of QC problems (especially crankshaft), and oil overheating (from what I read on one forums, it due to incomplete blueprint which lacked oil return line).

Yeah, but then so did everyone else. The 109 wasn't exactly known for having a spacious cockpit.

Hermann would have encountered similar problems.

While Goering was a nazi pig who richly deserved to be turned into a wind chime, he was personally brave and was a genuine fighter ace in the first world war. Say what you will about Hermann Goering, at least he killed Hermann Goering.

He deserved another bullet where it hurt in the Munich beer-hall putsch.

That’s like wondering what it would be like if we all spoke German and wore Lederhosen right meow!

@@catlady8324 that comment reminds me of this one german comedian who says that "the world of science is german, and if they haven't f-ed up, it would probably still is"

@@twddersharkmarine7774 That’s deep! 🤔🧠

@@catlady8324 One can interpret and judge work in sort of a vacum. Bad materials doesnt necessarily make the concept bad

@@Keckegenkai Milé vacuums are made in Germany.

+@spaceace1006 The German RLM wrote the requirements for inverted engine design in the 1920s. Common reasons are better pilot visibility and easier maintenance for the mechanics. Inverted worked just as well as upright.

+ @TheHalloweenmasks If you can find copies of the parts manuals they will sometimes have dimensions and measurement specifications for the parts. There are a few websites that sell copies of the manuals.

Far too big and heavy and weak and corroding from first start up and second rate and primitive. 66% bigger for the same power as an allied engine.

I believe it is the supercharger you can hear whistling - you can in IL2 in any case. Hope that helps.

Yeah, it's the supercharger impeller (compressor). It's quite close to the intake of that elbow pipe sticking out the left side of the fuselage; so close you can clearly hear it.

@@Splattle101 Thanks a lot. Merry X.

@@Simon_Nonymous Thanks a lot. Merry X

There is a strange whine in videos of the clipped, cropped and clapped very high speed at low altitude Spitfire LF Mk Vs. They have a reduced diameter supercharger impeller.

+@aaron___6014 Inverted works as well as upright V12s. The inverted requirement was a specification created by the RLM back in the 1920s I think. Maybe for easier maintenance. Inverted engine with a provision for the central cannon were a requirement for engine development.

+@Vumba They make less power and usually don't use the extra boost systems like the MW50 because it isn't needed and would just wear out the engines.

Blue 100LL is equivalent to old 100 octane lean/130 octane rich. The nazis didn’t have such good fuel so their engine compression and boost limits didn’t accommodate such detonation and preignition resistance. There is very limited access to modern higher octane avgas such as purple 115/145 racing aero engine fuel, it would be similar to late war allied avgas.

IG Farben combine. Bayer was one of the companies absorbed into the IG Farben combine, including Agfa, BASF, Pfizer and others I can't remember off the top of my head. IG Farben was broken up as a criminal organisation after the war (among other things, they ran the industrial camp at Auschwitz: nice folks).

Not according to google and a lot of other sources. It appears there are multiple correct pronunciations

@@flightdojo Exactly. Daimler car company in Britain was not pronounced in the same way as dahmeler in Germany

Endorsing race hatred murderous gangsters in democratic elections has to be a really big minus point.

+@rolomaticz5009 Here is an original WW2 German Schwungkraftanlasser starter that was common on many engines. It can be operated with a handle or electrically: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-8E6AhqQ_htE.html

Do you have a better recommendation for sources on German aero engines during that era?

My extensive collection of period "FLIGHT" and "AEROPLANE" magazines (many of which are in online archives), various copies of Allied intelligence reports, some of which I have. If you join some of the specialist WW2 military aviation forums there is an extensive collection of specific topics, including information links to original reports. There are some tremendous experts who participate in these forums, if you knew their true identities you'd be surprised at how famous some of them are. For my part, I have just finished writing an extensive review of the SHPR at the request of the editor which will be published in a forthcoming issue of the magazine that requested it. The book is by no means a tragic train-wreck but it is VASTLY over-hyped and leaves out far TOO much to be a credible overall account of WW2 piston aero-engine development on the Western Front (the author's mission statement).

@@andrerousseau5730 - Due to this absurd and pathetic post, I hereby challenge YOU personally to a live streaming RU-vid debate of unlimited duration where listeners ask the questions, and they will discover very... very quickly what the truth is. Contact me via my website contact form, and we will organize it. OR I give you one week to retract this comment, and post an apology for your rude and wholly false statements.

@@CalumDouglas Your challenge is rejected OUTRIGHT! Reason: I was commissioned to write a review of this book and this in the throes of going through the editorial phase. For that reason I am compromised because of the undertakings I have made. Looks like you will be able to trumpet to one-an-all an easy 'victory'. ....but I do stand by my comment!

@@andrerousseau5730 - In which publication can we all look forward to your amazing review? - Or are you not even brave enough to tell us that either ? (by the way since you rejected the debate, you have now 6 days to delete the comment and publicly apologise).

WTF?!?!

Excuse me what? Did he go on trips shooting millions of civilians along the way?

@@MDzmitry Basically it amounts to that

@@alkhazarmegie2270 that was sarcasm.

Who is your favourite serial killer?