With the Paris Eternal now one of the fan favorites to reach the OWL 2020 finals, which Asian Pacific team would you want to see them face off against?
@@Ferro_Thorns you said he hasn't watched the video yet I'm which he didn't need to because all his videos are great, you saying that he hasn't watched the video yet is saying that you think this one might be bad
OWL at first can appear chaotic, but like you said there's actually a great deal of strategy, scouting, and planning that the coaches do behind the scenes that often go unappreciated.
@@sitter2207 I think it's cuz of the bans that are put on to the random characters that they are unable to pick them for a certain amount of days. When that match was played I think lucio and zen where banned from the game.
It's a dark time for OWL content creation if the biggest channels are still Stylosa and YourOverwatch who pivoted to more games like Hyperscape and VALORANT now. Edit: RIP Overwatch Central who are now all in on VALORANT but just again another rip off of the Your Overwatch format of stuff
i'm french and i tell you thank you because this video is so clean and when you are a fan of paris it's very appreciable !!! you're really good in analyse
It's mostly because of the meta shift. Before role lock the meta was goats, where you have a lot of close range brawl characters. In brawl you essentially run into the enemy team so your Rein can swing into them. Now meta is double shield, where you poke out the enemy team. The poke style has more long range heroes who can play split and still support each other (mainly Bap, who can provide a lot of healing from far away).
Yes, how the Glads completely dominated the Fusions. I would take Eichenwalde to show the Genji domination, where the Fusions couldnt find any weakness in LA.
CX Moyer Yeah, but the first two maps where the Glads dominated, were very one sided. Not close at all. And when Philly reversed, all the three maps were really close.
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ksp was kind of the lynch pin in valient's strat. if ksp got more picks they probably could've gotten at least a tick, but he did his best so it still comes down to positioning and cooldowns and stuff
I love this series. One thought, what if you brought on someone like sideshow for a segment at the end of the video about how to counter the strategy outlined in the video. Sideshow (or any other strategically minded overwatch community member) could have shown what valiant SHOULD have done to counter paris. just a thought. keep it up!
@@velocities8242Oh I think what he means is as both teams starts to colied and fight each others. Hanbin also just got respawn which allow him to joins the fight. as for fielder. He joins only when the fight is about to end or ended
@@sorin_markov You do know hanbin has the best stats out of any Tank in the league. He's been having stand out performance after stand out performance all season long. So yes he is in the discussion for MVP/ROTY.
@@sorin_markov No it's not debatable, and of those "giants" as you called them, there are tanks too, and clearly hanbin hasn't been doing any worse than them. He's been the most consistent player for Eternal all season long, has incredible stats and you think him being in the discussion for MVP/ROTY is debatable ? That just blows my mind. I'm not saying he should be MVP, just that his name should be up there as one of the best performers this season.
@@sorin_markov that's still the best stats out of any tank you know. And just check for over 400 hours playtime which is a must have to be in the discussion imo (it's 1/3 of the max playtime you can have basically) and he ends up first in final blows, 3rd in damage, 4th in elims and 5th in solo kills, choi being the only one close to him in the stats, but you'd do well to consider shock only lost 3 times the entire season while paris lost 7 matches, meaning he's been putting this kind of stat with a winrate way lower than shock's. Yes he's dying a bit more than the tanks that stay alive the most, but he's still 10th out of 45 with over 400 hours played, that's not so bad. He also dies barely less than Choi, and that's also the only stat where he's behind cr0ng who you put as a candidate iirc while he dwarfs him on every other stat.
@@sorin_markov right now, Hanbin's sigma stats are 1st in final blows, 1st in eliminations, 1st in hero damage, 3rd in solo kills and around middle for deaths for any amount of time played above 35 minutes. His dva stats are also consistently amongst the highest, across the board, compared to the off tanks. If you don't consider this guy one of the best off tanks or even THE potential best off tank right now, you're out of your mind. (all stats from stats lab on owl website)
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I love these videos so much! I didn't even catch all these small details and decisions both teams were making and I watched this live. I hope you continue making these videos for a long time!
Yay akshon! I think the valiant could have used mei wall or sym teleporter to flank wide to the left across the gap and collapse on hanbin and feilder to take them out early and secure the team fight.
Very nice video You should take a look at Paris Attack vs Toronto, on Anubis point A. Paris lost their 2 dps and still manage to win the team fight thanks to a very smart rotation. Probably one of the most strategic victory. BenBest confirmed that all was voluntary. Looking at it using top view is just mind blowing. Would be very nice if you could do a video of it.
i think you guys were missing the point of the dragonstrikes. They were not to kill sigma and baptiste, but to allow valiant to push into high ground by cutting off sig and bap, and then forcing orisa and her friends to move off of highground because the dragon is headed towards them too.
Here’s how I, a person that’s pretty bad at OW, would try to get past Eternals hold. Like you showed, when the Valient pushed the Orisa-Genji group, they just backed off, and then killed them with dragon blade. What I would do is, knowing that they would back off when they get pushed, is to save Hanzos dragon strike for the Orissa group. So they would push the Orisa group, which would make them back down the stairs again, but while they are pushing Hanzo would aim his ult at the bottom of the stairs. Now the Eternal would be trapped just like the Valient was the first push. If they killed that group, then they could easily walk onto the point, and now the Sigma-Baptiste group would be stuck where they were. Basically what I said is, Valient should have used Hanzos ult on the Orisa group, not the Sigma group.
The only real way to counter this play on high ground is all going heroes that can go across the left side void. Something like dva monkey genji hanzo mercy lucio, that way they don’t get caught in the pincer, and only half of paris is there to fight, effectively making it a 6v3. Now it’s possible the rest of the team rotate around to help them, but by the time they do they’re most likely already dead and the valiant have a successful push off. Of course opening picks could be used as well, but since the team plays in groups of 3, it would be really hard to get a successful flank off without dying to one of them.
When I read the title I thought it was going to be some super strong attack and defense paradox where neither team can win if they do said specific comp making the eternal game.
Important to know that on Hanamura, the defending team has an incredible advantage because the map geometry is extremely powerful; and in a game of Overwatch, defenders decide where the engagement happens, attackers decide when it happens. The simple fact that the defending team can cherry-pick their position is insanely powerful. Valiant's solution out of this is to use resources in a way that will net them more angles / high ground than Eternal; they never fully committed on shutting down Hanbin who was single-handedly denying 3 off-angles. By gaining more space in one way or another, Valiant will have more choices and instead of reacting to what Eternal does like in this match, they would have more options to consider. Once a team has less and less options, the more likely they are to make a mistake / end up playing reactively instead of proactively.
@@fredhenzell-thomas6448 the way it works is that, they will tp to the point, I want them to at least two shields so they can block the damage, rein and orisa or sigma. Moira for extreme healing and Lucio to just heal while doing damage. Paris must come to the point or it will be a c9. And rein can just swing and kill. The Lucio would get a lot of ult charge from how much damage the tanks may get. But the Moira should just keep them alive unless they are a dps Moira. With how much damage rein can do and the heals. Paris would PROBALLY crumble under all the damage. You may think what about genji? as I told the Lucio. And you may say brig. Well rein will just overpower her. So technically this should work. But I don't know. It is just in my head. That is what I think is the best approach.
Valiants had no chance. Fielder's healing was godlike and needless to say his fields. And the coordination they had and the preparation for every single scenario just made the Valiants have no choice but to overwhelm one side, but it was not possible.
You didn’t mention that in the first push sp9rk1e dodged a pulse bomb, other than that amazing video dude. (I don’t actually think you forgot maybe you just didn’t feel like it was too important anyway i love you guys)
I honestly believe junkrat is a sleeper pick on hanamura attack. In this scenario specifically instead of the hanzo in the downstairs doorway, a junk rat would've been better as he could apply pressure to not only the top right stairs but also the bottom right of it two, dealing the neccessary damage but i'm hard stuck silver tank so....
What they should have done is have ksp with them at the choke and dragon strike across the high ground towards Hanbin and basically cut them off for a while, then push 6 on 3 to the high ground and then push onto point
After watching this video and taking a look at all of the factors that went into these team fights, it appears almost as if the Valiant threw this map. While double shield is most definitely the meta right now, trying to mirror Paris (excluding the Valiant's DPS lineup) for attack on a map like Hanamura puts LA at a severe disadvantage as the Eternal can simply back up and still output effective damage from a distance. If you watch at 6:38, Jonah Lee-Ash himself even talks about how low mobility against a comp like this is weak and can be easily shut down by good execution, which the Eternal are very good at. In my opinion, I think it would have favored the Valiant to run a brawl-heavy comp with Reinhardt, Zarya, Symmetra, Mei, Brigitte, and Moira. LA could go just pass the choke before using Symmetra's teleporter to get onto the top right high ground, where the close range Eternal group is. Mei could then temporarily wall off any incoming damage from the long-range Eternal group while helping to freeze the enemies in front of her. Brigitte (with her inspire ability) and Moira could provide loads of healing to allow the rest of the team to keep pushing forward. Finally, Symmetra's sentry turrets would be the cherry on top as they create one more problem for the close-range Paris group to deal with; if they (Paris) decide to focus on destroying the turrets, they will be faced with a ton of incoming damage from LA, but if they decide to focus on the LA team as a whole, they will be slowed down and dealt damage from the sentries. I wasn't able to find the hero bans that were in place for this matchup on the OWL Twitter, so if any of those heroes that I suggested for that comp were banned, feel free to reply to this comment and let me know.
Orisa mei Ana + 1 are banned, I don't think they threw the game. End of the day some teams run comfort picks over meta and it can still work. I believe they just lose the neutral, Eternal just had the better engagements and played it really smart.
Now that I think about it, why didn't the Valiant just push Hanbin and Fielder on the second level whilst throwing in the dragon strike behind them? This would have forced them to either drop down from the floor they were on or else get pincered by the Valiant.
I kind of think pushing the long range is better because the close range comp only got Genji to close that gap fast. But still, without a Lucio, they can’t push at a faster pace.
Could have gone with a 3v3 as well with reaper/Winston/Lucio vs the sigma group and Doomfist/sigma/brig vs the orisa group ...with reaper dealing so much dmg to sigma or even lucio booping him off the HG so that reaper can basically deal with him on lower ground .with bap forced to either fight winston and lucio or backing off to help the sig ..it would create so much chaos
They should have gone Symm and teleported behind Hanbin and his crew. A hard 6v3 push would have netted 1-2 kills, maybe 3. Mei for a wall to deny escape/brigg health packs/orissa pull.
The coaches for paris are so extremely big brained. The synergy of this team is too insane. If there is a team that could keep up with the shock its this team. Shanghai is just coordinated - this is so much more than that.
I feel like the hanzo pick was too weak, his kit doesn't allow him to really target tanks as well as other dps. I believe that a mei would. Have been really strong against Paris. Mei could freeze the bap and allow tracer to finish him, then target sigma, and ultilizing meis wall, they could have also cut off the sigma half from the orisa half.
I feel like this is only a minor variation of the standard hanamura b defense, isn't it? Sig has been on that flank throughout the meta, the inlet change is having widow in that position
They could have done the sym tp from the top right courtyard to the pillar on point through the window then set up a bunker on point. The eternal didn’t have much high damage outside widow so bring double shield and they win bc sparkle gets countered by sym and widow is blocked by double shield
They could’ve done a switch to symmetra. She isn’t particularly good but she’s effective against shields and her teleporter could’ve been used to get behind the Sigma stack and eliminate them
I would have tried mei and lucio swapping one dps and Brig. With wall and speed the Valiant could have collapsed on one of the 2 groups. The issue is that all of this is read by defense so no chance to get them on surprise.
The only thing I took from that video is that immortality field is broken. Hurts my soul to see a dragon halt combo perfectly executed just to be nullified by a single ability that isn't even an ult.
