The Ethnic Demography of Game of Thrones (And Their Real World Equivalents) 

Disagree. Maybe similar to the Maghreb, but Al-Andaluz had a completely different climate and landscape, and most of the Andaluci population was still native Iberian, not Moorish, so Dorne really doesn't really look like Al-Andalus at all, except for the moorish architecture (which is also obviously found throughout most of the Northern African coast)

@ⵟⴰⵏⵉⵔⵉ This isn't really about knowing history, but knowing geography.

@ⵟⴰⵏⵉⵔⵉ Fair enough.

@@FaithfulOfBrigantia Most of the Dornish Population has at least some Andal or First Men ancestry, and in the West most people have minimal Rhoynar ancestry

Migrated? Lmfao u mean conquered right?

Spot on! As soon as I heard this in this video I thought the same and was going to comment on that until I read your post. I'm from Birmingham England and always thought how that; (and the shows British accents represents this very well) GOT south = up to around the West Midlands GOT north = from Sheffield/Derby / East Midlands up to Scotland border GOT "real" north where the Wildlings came from = Scotland. Not much because of their accents but the ginger hair I suppose, lol Scotland/England border = The Wall / Castle Black!

Totally agree, the characteristics of the Northerners of Westeros seem more Yorkshire than anything else to me, not just the accents but the whole mentality. The whole list of traits he listed fit Yorkshire, and the North generally, better than Scotland IMO. There's historic precedent too with the Kingdom of Northumbria, which was not initially keen to be annexed to Southern-dominated England!

Ikr. But then again most people don't even know the English are a people and just call them British.

Dave Richards Thanks for the insight about the northern and southern English. My self I certainly thought of the wildlings representing the Scots also. And I’m from New Orleans and figured that part out. I’ve always thought that there’s the Paul McCartney sounding English vs Ozzy Osborn and I’m sure many more. Just as in the states we sound very different from one region to the next.

Dave Richards That’s why I actually think the First Men are Anglo-Saxons and the Andals are Normans. The Valyrians are more of a “Holy Roman Empire “.

It probably is more accurate to compare them to specifically the petty kingdoms of the Norse such as the Hebrides or Orkney.

@Hoàng Nguyên What are you so salty about? And why are you projecting your own problems on a completely unrelated comment?

@Hoàng Nguyên Yeah, as someone from Scandinavia who loves Norse history and mythology, it hurts a little bit every time people mention that Martin was inspired by the vikings when he created the Ironborn. And it doesn't help that Dumb & Dumber made every single character, region, ethnicity and culture on the show retarded and/or fucked up in so many ways. Instead of Martins epic masterpiece they gave us White Messiah Dany, Dumb Jon, Badass Emotionless Arya, Robot Bran, Catty Empowered by Rape Sansa, Saint Tyrion, Evil Stannis, Mustache Twirling Batfinger, Handsome Genius Ramsay, Hot Topic/Jack Sparrow Euron, Spineless Lapdog Jaime and Poor Cersei who just wants to protect her children. And don't even get me started about Porne and the North who doesn't remember...

@Hoàng Nguyên The Dothraki are more influenced by Huns than by Mongols, but I do get your point here. Martin's portrayal of any of those cultures is fairly shameful, but at least it's done in a fantasy setting... and he is trying to outline the barbarians more along how they were viewed by "civilized" medival cultures than by how they were in reality.

Dirty Giraffe Yes the Vikings were cultured people.

Mate I don’t think Northerners hate the south, it’s just a bit of banter is all

​@@willkp50 Maybe hate is too strong of a word but I think most northerners would prefer to have a king in the north than be ruled from London by Theresa Lanister.

Hate the south??? You sound delusional lmao, many people have relatives all over the UK so it would be stupid to hate other regions. Being from Leeds myself, people don't hate the South generally, they just hate the concentration of political power in the South. They also hate that the rest of the world sees the UK as just London, and sometimes including Scotland. I'm sure if the political powers resided in the North, Southerners would feel the same too. People here also have this perception of Southerners being posh and snobby, but the snobbiest people I've encountered are from Durham and neighbouring areas.

You also don't have to go north to see a North South divide. Just head in any direction outside of London. Like the closer you get to Lands End. I think Brexit was probably the best example of highlighting the Divide in England between the major cities and the rural areas.

@@azih8626 You are not from Leeds, you are a Somali currently residing in Leeds.

Dothrakis resemble the turkiC tribes, but the name is closer to the Thracians, while khal (turkic-khan)Drogo is based on Spartacus(also a thracian), the one who led a rebelion against the Roman Republic. Living in large tents and the savage look made me think of bulgars, who by that time (900 ad) are divided in 2 large emipres (Bulgaria on the Balkans, by that time covering the most of southeast Europe and the Volga Bulgaria stretching south to the Caspian sea and going far north to the seas bordering the north pole. One of the major theories gives the Bulgars turkic descent, ruled by khans.

Durys aitasyz. Biraq men kitabti oqygan zhopyn. Tek qana show

They’re based on nomadic people such as Huns mongols, turks, Arabs, native Americans with a dash of fantasy in George rr Martin own words pry not exactly the way he said it but close enough

Seljuk empire have nothing to do with modern day turkey and ottoman empire.

@@thesoundinyourhead1782 they are Turks

Yep, I agree. It was a real clanger as soon as he said it. Especially as he showed a 14th or 15th century picture as he said it.

Not to mention the War of the Roses was part of George R. R. Martin's inspiration, which started a whole century later in 1455.

Zhongda95 I read somewhere that the technology and medical know how of Westeros is actually pretty advanced compared to that of the knowledge of the 1400s

@@polishherowitoldpilecki5521 However, there is no gunpowder, which makes it rather impossible to compare its technology to that of real history since the invention of gunpowder greatly predates Game of Thrones' armor technology.

@@polishherowitoldpilecki5521 Well it is a fantasy after all, because they have dragons as well, so anachronistic technology and medicine isn't such a huge leap in concept for it. But this thread is more about how Masaman mistakenly described their military technology as of the 10th century when it is clearly of a later period.

how is Westeros Europe? All of the kingdoms speak the same language except Dorne and real world Europe is made of many different languages

@@FaZaFurhod each kingdom has the culture of real life countries I mentioned

@@chrisklitou7573 and like I just mentioned, each kingdom except for Dorne speaks the same language. Real life countries you mentioned all speak different languages therefore their cultures are way more differentiated in real life than in ASOIAF

@@FaZaFurhod I said culture not language is the same learn the difference

@@chrisklitou7573 obviously language is a huge part of the culture. if the countries in Westeros don't differentiate in language then they don't differentiate in culture that much either. Westeros is one country

I thought it was an analogy to Alexander’s empire

I thought it was more to akin to Rome and Ghis was Carthage

@@sandman8115 Agreed that Valyria is somewhat obviously Rome. Ghis and the "old cities" are an amalgamation of Babylon, Assyria, and Egypt. There are very heavy influences there from each.... and each was eventually conquered by Rome as Ghis was conquered by Valyria.

Valyria does sound an awful lot like Illyria.

Valyria is Rome. At least in my mind.

D.B. Weiss (Executive Producer): "...From the moment we read about the Iron Bank, and Tycho Nestoris the representative of the Iron Bank, we loved it because it was such an atypical element - banking doesn't really factor into most High Fantasy. But it's very modern, I mean the lines are very clean and Dutch Protestant, and the way they dress is inspired by the Dutch Golden Age, and they're a bit more advanced than most of the people in Westeros - which is perhaps why they're in charge of everything."

Was there a Venetian empire!? when

I’d say Braavos could represent any of the Mediterranean Greek or Italian city states.

the colossus of rhodes.. The Big statue that holds a torch instead of a sword... And also the ships enter the port passing under him...

You guys do realise that a single thing can draw inspiration from a number of different historical locations, architectures and cultures. Basically, all of you have a point.

it is artificial intellect of google advertisement

Huh, you again. Hey, if you don't mind me asking...did you yourself delete your comment in Langfocus's How Different Are Indonesian and Malay?! video comment section? Or did somebody else do it. Damn, I don't feel like repeating what I commented there prior...Your comment did not breach RU-vid's community guidelines, did it? Then wtf? Feels like someone's trying to censor us for some reason...

I would go for dorne just for the girls with whips

You don't look like it, you belong where your type belongs

Moataz Metro lol... just stay vigilant and be wary for their penchant for poisons !

MrMhtmht as much as I love being an introvert, it was wayyyy too chilly for me in the Vale... plus the altitude really gets to your mind after a while. I’ll take the Moon Door on my way out 🤓

Same here! When people ask me what part of Game of Thrones I would pick to live in, I pick Dorne before they even finish the question 😂

I liked it too although it went very quickly, I think I'll have to re-watch it at like 3/4 speed. Small detail: he didn't mention the Reach representing France and other bread baskets of Europe, Braavos as Venice, and Dorne being Moorish Spain.

Patrik Zácsi lol

Tu parlo bello

Also Yi ti in the far east of Essos is like 110% based on China

Because it doesn't look like Al-Andalus at all, except maybe the Architecture, but that was still far more commun in the Maghreb than in Al-Andalus.

I think they’re a combination of turkic tribes (including Kazaks ofc), huns and mongols

James Thomas Not to sound like a nob but superhero comics and films don’t really go in depth enough to make a video like that, as opposed to a sci fi or fantasy like LOTR or ASOIAF, at least imo anyway

@Albert Miller I know.

@@perspii2808 They're diverse enough arent they?

@@perspii2808 It was more of a joke but nevermind.

And that is why Khalisi to me feels like Cleopatra whose lineage is debated to have come from the Greeks, and come to rule the land of blacks and half-dark skinned people. And Meereen also has many pyramids.

Sythen Qarth=Qatar ?😂

Kings landing is a coastal capital there is few like these neither London Paris or Rome are like that, it's more like Athena Istanbul Alexandria or Lisbon.

Qarth is Babylon

Because you useless! Just give up and let us annexe you man! You're already turning English enough just let it happen.

@@r3t4d3doscar7 Useless?! How ironic....you wouldnt even be able to make that comment if it wasn't for a Welshman who perfected Packet switching (Donald Davies) 😂

@@r3t4d3doscar7 also, so useless. The English completely failed to wipe the Welsh out. Despite having a far superior population. The conquest happened the other way pal. 410 - 1280s 😂 Henry the 7th conquered England at Bosworth. 😉

Russia is more like Riverlands. I'm from Russia

All Father yes but Scotland may not be major enough. The north is a major power with many smaller houses, which match Russia better. I think the wildlings are more Scottish

ilya_Rusin why? That place is the crossroad of seven kingdoms and disorganized, which indicates medieval Holy Roman Empire better.

Admire Kashiri where is Japan then?

Admire Kashiri where are they on the map? I cannot even find them. In the vary east?

Do you know swimming ? Gayrek 🤣🤣🤣

Have you read any good book lately ?...I guess not.

When it comes to people from Turgay it's always the same. You don't even have to try, they keep ridiculing themselves. Learn to read Mehmet, you'll be surprised, trust me !!!

Aside from Greek fire, no, I dont think King's Landing has too much in common with Constantinople. Volantis is imo the more likely City inspired by it. With them beeing the last great remaining city of an ancient Empire, having huge and grand walls, and most of all, beeing the legal and institutional remnant of said empire

Xenon There’s also the shape of King’s Landing and how it makes a siege difficult.

Yuzan no dorne is inspired by moorish Spain

@@XoAngelFanyXo Yes exactly, but moorish Spain was first just a part of a bigger country, their capital was actually Damascus not Spain (and then Baghdad), then Al-Andalus (Spain) got independent. But I'd say Dorne isn't only inspired by Spain as if you look at the geography of Dorne, it's mostly desert. Also, the actor of the prince of Dorne Doran Martell, is half Arab, and most of the actors of Dorne look Arab-ish in general (except the Asian looking daughter). Plus, all the decorations, architecture and fashion of Dorne scream middle age Arabs, I don't know how ppl don't link it. Maybe most had never read about the history of that area before.

Yuzan no people have definitely noticed that it looks Arabic but Westeros is based off Europe so calling one part of it entirely Arabic is awkward. Moorish Spain already has Arabic elements

Wonho’s soft tiddy breast Id say Westeros is based off of England more than Europe with Dorne being the only outside influence I.e Iberian peninsula. England itself was split into 7 kingdoms and the wars of the Roses were the main influence according to GRR Martin

Arabs with Celtic names lol

civilised? go check the Mongols genocides, just for an example.

@@Neo587 why dont we check all of the European genocides between different kingdoms? why don't we look at genocides in Americas when the settlers from Europe came there and took countless lives? Mongols were vial, brutal but don't make it look like that they are only people on Earth that commited genocides. Ghengis Khan actually gave a choice to most of people that were being invaded by him. Unlike other "kings".

​@@MrYedige ​ wtf lol, you were telling lies about the "Hunnic, Mongolic and Turkic tribes". I read your pseudo historical assertions and went here to state the facts. The subject is not Europeans' actions outside Europe here. Don't systematically jump on the occasion to attack us Europeans. You're all as bad as us and we Europeans don't feel any guilt about the past. Nor do you, whenever. So, get over it.

The Vale corresponds to Northumbria imo. While the south was invaded by the Saxons from the mainland (Andels for GoT), the Vale was invaded by "some other kingdom" from higher up north (Angles for England). They conquered the First Men (Celts) but also mixed in and lived next to surviving tribes (Picts/Scots, Northumbria bordering Scotland)

Caucasus region.

@Gev G All of GoT is literally English history plus magic. Its map is the British Isles turned upside-down. The wall is Hadrians wall built for the Picts in England. The Targaryens are the Normans, fractures of the Roman Empire's technology mixed with Western military conquering the isles. GoT is mostly based on the "War of the Roses" era in English history, with the Lannisters representing the Lannicasters and Starks the Yorks.

@Gev G The fuck? Sounds like a non-English speaking country just has such a preference for non-English speaking history that they feel the need to jump on any discussion of it to inject their own history and explain to English speaking folks how objectively superior their own history is when nobody asked or cares.

@@lightningwight4154 They were considered Swiss by George.

True, they were only savage in the way they slaughtered everything on their path even destroying cultural marbles

And its mercantile credentials ($$$)

When people say Spain, they mean Andalusia. Dorne doesn't look like Castile or Galicia at all.

Pau Nuns we know this, hence why he said Andalusia instead of Spain, although even then dorne culturally speaking is the exaggerated stereotype of Andalusia

The children are just supposed to represent any ancient culture that lived in an area for a long time before being displaced by a migrating group of different people. The ASOIAF world is filled with different species of "human" just like our world was a couple million years ago

The Children of the Forest represent the Tuathe de Dannan in Irish mythology. They were the magical first inhabitants to immigrate to Ireland whose enemies were a fish like people called Formians. The Children can also represent magical fairy folk called Aos Si who are believed to secretly live on this island to this day en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tuatha_D%C3%A9_Danann?wprov=sfla1 en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fomorians?wprov=sfla1 en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aos_S%C3%AD?wprov=sfla1

Candy Landi dorne is Iberia and Mexico

Westeros is literally just England, England was split into 7 kingdoms for real. GRRM has said so apart from Dorne which is Spanish inspired

I always thought of them as not-Egypt, but no need to stop at one Inspiration

Egypt waaaassss conquered by Persia.

I interpret Asshai and Stygai as being more akin to Persia and abandoned Mesopotamian cities.

@@marcgarcia1673 Asshai is a purely fantasy realm, as it's the home of darkness and evil magic. The isle of Leng is resemblant of Indonesia, Sarnor is usually depicted similarly to the Ghiscari, so it could be based off another middle eastern nation. Then there's Ib, wich may be based off Iceland

Also catharsis in medieval france

Nah

The cock is dark and full of veins.

Wakanda exists, agh. Why can't people understand it? 🙄

The writer once said he he wrote Dothraki section based on Mongol tribes life.

@@larada9 Sure. In the book they are much more "Mongolian", with asian/mongoloid eyes.

Vikings are the Ironborn, they pay the iron price and use what they take by raiding and pillaging. They are great at naval combat and ship building. The white walkers are based on ancient celtic fairies, not the ones with wings that you think of but fairy meaning "other being", just as the children of the forest are like fairies or pixies, the white walkers are also fairies. Halloween being samhain a celtic festival was practiced when the nights get longer and the world becomes darker during the winter, the celts believed spirits would enter the wolrd at this point in the year, just as the starks warning "Winter is coming" refers to a dark time of the year when snow and ice brings evil 'others' or white walkers. the starks worhsip the old gods (celtic religion) and are descended from the first men (celts). if you look at the cave art by the children of the forest its very similar to celtic rock art, not to mention the obvious stone circles in game of thrones the one in the woods by the children and the ice one made by the white walkers. this is identical to the ones found in Scotland and other places in britain.