I have been saying this for years: They need to keep the same stewards for the entirety of the calendar. How can we expect consistency from them if they change at every venue?
my brother in christ, then they could influence the outcome of the race towards certain drivers all year. It's much more fair to change them every venue
Absolutely not, if theres say 6 people deciding and it needs to be decided 5/6 for this sort of thing, that stop people favouriting, get 6 people from 6 different nations to do it @terryallen660
I’ve also been saying this years. It’s obvious to a lot of people. Except the organisers themselves. Plus British steward gave penalty to the driver who was fighting a Brit again. I’m British and I’m fed up of it.
As it's the stewards decisions that will effect the outcomes of some races if you have the same stewards at every race they are obviously going to form biases and it's easy for them to favour certain drivers throughout the season
@@THEABY1996 Russell wasn’t right on his tail. If Russell was directly behind then it would be dangerous. Alonso calculated Russell was not too close that there would be a risk of touching. Russell could see alonsos car clipping by the light and should’ve expected a big closing speed. Russell immediately admitted fault. Racing incident where Russell got caught out. Red flag should’ve been shown immediately.
Once again the stewards are applying penalties based on the outcome of an action, instead of the action itself. This is why people are constantly complaining that the stewards decisions are inconsistent... and they are.
Every single video of theirs I click I realize after about 3 minutes I haven't been paying attention and its just noise in the background because they are all just blabbering.
The FIA decided Alonso was guilty, they're French. So the race analysis concurs with this however much your non British illogical brain doesn't like it. Take the emotion and feelings out of your thought and use logic and facts. That's something that people who are "non British" struggle to do.
@@ciarankelman what I know is that he slowed down significantly with the intent of throwing Russel off, whether that has to do with dirty air aerodynamics or simply Russel having to take evasive manouvers. Dirty driving is what it is and it's something Fernando has gotten very familiar with over many years
Alonso has been doing it for years. Vettel used to do that too. It's a genuine way of defending against someone attacking. Why not just take the cars away and have the drivers jog round the track.
In 2002 Barrichello decided to brake early for the first corner and Ralf Schumacher rear-ended him and got airborne. What did Ralf say after getting launched into the air and landing in the barriers? From what I remember he said that "it's a racing incident" and "the driver in front has the right to brake whenever he wants".
@@OnlineHipHopTV And soon circuits will have speed limits at different zones, traffic signals and before you know it, we'll be paying to watch traffic.
If Russell didn’t crash in turn 6, he probably would have driven into the wall again like last year. Then Toto and George could have blamed the wall from jumping out and causing a crash. Pathetic!!
Bruno Senna lifter earlier entering turn 1 in Barcelona, Michael Schumacher got caught out and crashed into Bruno. Schumacher was given the penalty because it was "his responsibility" to avoid collision since he was the "trailing driver" and every media outlet agreed it was Michael's fault because Bruno Senna had every right to defend in the manner he did. But now that a Brackley-based team crashes out because Alonso slowed earlier entering a corner, it's the car in front that gets penalised. Both scenarios were racing incidents. But the way the stewards hand penalties is undeniably erratic, and it interferes with the outcome of the standings way too much.
All these dumb 'examples' just prove you don't get why Alonso got the penalty. It's not just that he braked earlier, or lifted just before braking. He lifted (braked), accelerated and then braked again, erratic driving. That's what got Alsonso the penalty. If he hadn't messed up and just done it in 2 smooth motion it would not have been a problem and Russell would have been to blame. Alonso fucked it up and got caught.
Please mandatory all car with turn signal, brake lights, and anyone who wanna change racing line or try to overtake at non-DRS zone MUST write an email to stewards and get approval first.
@@jsnsk101 Let me tell you the steward in question is a salty grumpy British driver who already has a history of throwing shade at Spaniards, Carlos and Alonso. He's Johnny Herbert. He was assigned AUS GP stewardship
Plenty of other people manage to race without incident. Just because your favourite driver got punished for going too far, doesn't mean they're not allowing racing.
@@sergarlantyrell7847 Russell has a lot of late-race shunts. Just because your favorite driver can't keep his car on track doesn't mean it's someone else's fault.
@@e.heckscher1576 I actually dislike Russell, I think he's annoying. I'm just agreeing with the stewards that a quasi-brake check on a car .5s behind is dangerous. But Alonso takes A LOT of liberties with what he thinks is "fair" racing, it was only a matter of time before he got in trouble for it.
Mercedes fan here, totally Russell's fault. It's clear that he had tunnel vision on Alsono, and when Alonso did something unexpected, Russell lost control
By this analogy. Every time a driver moves to the inside to defend they should get a 20 second penalty for dangerous driving because they're doing something different to the lap before. Sorry the-race but I wholeheartedly disagree with you and the stewards on this one. He was driving defensively. That's all.
From what I understood, the only reason there are comparisons with previous lap is to show that he really started slowing down way before the corner. The reason for the penalty wasn't "driving differently than previous lap", it was "dangerous driving" which I think deliberately downshifting at 250+kmh with car following you 0.5s behind easily counts as. Stewards gave a pretty complicated explanation so of course it's easy for you to pinpoint some sections to suit in defending your driver, but I'm pretty sure if the team thought Alonso's actions were excusable they would just appeal the decision. Not like they can lose anything from it.
Move to the inside? That's fine. However, if they move inside, change their mind, and go back on the outside, that could cause the overtaking car to misjudge which direction to dive and crash.
Even Russel says it wasnt Alonso fault, he took it on himself and admited that he lost control. Sure it surprised him, but that doesnt mean that Alo is to blame.
There's part of Motorsport where hard driving and running your opponents out of track is acceptable. It's called Banger Racing or arrive and Drive Go-Karting. The problem with F1 is you can't do that to someone at 180mph it's well established that is not acceptable driving standards. we all know the Alonso quote "I think he push me off the track you have to leave a space, All the time you have to leave a space" On that occasion the door was closed before Alonso got there, but he tried an overtake anyway then got upset because there was no track left.
so youre basically telling us that lightly breaking and downshifting 100 metres earlier than usual on a corner should be penalised with 20 seconds and a -3 point deduction? WTF is the point of driving cars if theyre not allowed to drive them?
at that speed though braking and downshifting with someone close behind is pretty dangerous no? The difference in acceleration between open throttle and light brakes + engine braking will close a 0.5s gap fast. 100 meters is also pretty early. I’m not firmly on either side with the penalty but come on. There’s only one reason to do that and it’s called a brake check. You can do it as much as you want, as long as there’s not someone right behind you.
@@cosmic4791I’m positive they would’ve been able to tell the difference between a lift and coast having the most advanced telemetrics in racing available to them
I have never ever disagreed with a report as much as this one. They would never have penalized Alonso for a change in corner approach without Russell's shunt.
The FIA just make it up as they go along, alonso got 20 second for this but max only got 5 second when he moving in to the middle of the track and brake checked Lewis on a straight when he had to give up the place in 2021
@@southbrit the app RU-vidREVANCED restores the dislike count amongst other things like background playback and blocks ads which are even part of the video itself.
Oh wow, an English F1 media outlet vilifying a non British driver. I swear that Russell, Norris, Hamilton could shoot Verstappen and Sky, The RACE, BBC etc. would all come out and say "Well I think we need to look at the facts first, Verstappen has a very shootable face so I really think the blame here is 60/40 Max's fault"
@@Sean-if7rp Magnussen simply slowed his acceleration out of corners where there was no overtaking opportunity, exploiting the characteristics of the track. Not once did he brake-accelerate-brake into a corner. One is slow and one is just erratic
Let me quote 33.4 of the sporting regulations: ‘At no time may a car be driven unnecessarily slowly, erratically or in a manner which could be deemed potentially dangerous […]’ Did he drive unnecessarily slowly? Certainly! Was it erratic? Slowing and speeding up on a straight sounds pretty erratic to me. COULD it be deemed potentially dangerous? Many people feel that way => slam dunk penalty.
@@roku_nine it was in a curve and not in straight line. I had a discussion once, because I took a curve different as all the other drivers to try a better exit. As the driving line was different, the car behind me crashed on me. Who's the fault in that case? All fault with the behind car, because he must respect my driving lines if they are not intended to be erratic or bad. The car behind, MUST be aware of the distance, braking points, possible changes in lines, etc. You cannot follow the front car with your eyes shut. If you know what I mean. Following the car ahead, you must be 10 times more aware of your moves and the car ahead. In this case, Alonso was ahead, he made a change in his breaking point and driving lines. Why should he keep the same pace and lines? He didn't do anything erratic or misplaces. On the other hand, Russel, was too confident that Alonso will do exactly the same breaking point, driving line and acceleration. Overly confidence, leads to crash in all motor sports. He should have been following each Alonso's move and take advantage of that early breaking point, instead of speeding normally.
@@gabrielk6244 Go and look at how that corner is driven. You take it with as much entry speed as you can for the downforce to work, as it flows onto the long backstraight (the prime overtaking section). It's not a low speed 90 degree corner that benefits from a slow entry.
This isn’t a good take. This feels like a journalistic attack towards Alonso as opposed to simply explaining the penalty and why it is or isn’t the correct decision.
@@themercedestraveler9566ah yes, calling him a “rank ameteur” and spending an entire video trying to justify it without showing the other side, isn’t an attack. He is not responsible for the actions of another driver.
All they actually did was present data as "COLD HARD FACTS" presenting one explanation of the data whilst totally ignoring another possible explanation. Then on top of that they assign moral deviancy to that other possibility. "Rank amateur" "completely unbecoming". What is actually going through these people's heads when they write this?
Disagree here that he was "extremely" dangerous. He didn't slam brakes, just lifted and changed gear. Slowing down in tight corners is a racing manouvre, seen in many series and done by many drivers (ie. the Magnussen train last race). I don't think this would have been even considered for a penalty 10 years ago.
The braking isn't the issue it's him having to get back on the throttle that did him in. Had he braked 25m later and coasted the corner it wouldn't have been an issue
Anyone that says he braked hard causing the crash didn’t read the stewards’ notes. This just further demonstrates how inaccurate the publicly available telemetry data is. It shows Alonso braking hard, he braked so light in reality, the stewards didn’t even attribute it as a worthwhile factor to consider.
@@watersnortmoment3734didn’t you see the video? The brake telemetry is binary, either a 1 or 0. Also lifting during high speeds effectively works like breaking.
Not the first time Alonso has pulled a scummy move and those two championships were an awfully long time ago. He is a slightly above average F1 driver, living on past glories, for as long as he can get away with it.
@@Max.44 none of the idiots commenting on here, you included, are one of the stewards, and yet you all know so much more than they do. But I guess the clue is in the fact that you are all idiots.
@@calibrazxr750 "Slightly above average F1 driver" You must be new to this F1 thing, because out of 20 drivers in the entire world that get a seat, the slightly above average ones get to fight for championships on a good car. Funny how you thought that was an insult to a 2 time champion.
@eliasvaldes82 as an F1 driver, he is slightly above average. There are 10 teams and 29 drivers. He regularly finishes around the bottom half of the top ten. He rarely threatens the podium and never looks even remotely like he is going to win a race. He is the epitome of slightly above average. It's not an insult, it is an accurate description based on the available evidence.
Are we expected to believe that the lead car must consider what a car, half a second behind him, might do if he changed his approach to a corner????? That's unbelievable!!!!!
@@senseofthecommonman LMAO Brake checking is slamming brakes hard like senna used to do it in his career. Alonso slammed first brake at unusual turn which was about 27 kmh slower. If it was was brake checking it should have been way more. Only 2 conclusions, he made a mistake or tactical racecraft for better exit. If you don't know every other driver in past used to do this but they weren't as soft and went harder too, watch prost vs senna Silvertone 93,mansell at aus. it's just cars now rely on downforce too much. He got caught by dirty air and merc were already snappy .Alonso deserved a penalty but 20 sec + 3 pp for what half or more not being his fault is crazy.
Such bullshit. He eased through the corner differently because it was the final lap and he needed to get the car home. Russel’s inexperience is not Alonso’s fault.
@@senseofthecommonman what was dangerous about it??? he barely braked and was just doing what any sane driver would do to keep position on the last lap of the race. It's not Alonso's fault that Russell was in lala land
Wow, I didn't realize you had to approach a corner the exact same way every time otherwise its a penalty. Russell never even got particularly close to Alonso watching the in-car replay. This is the most shambolic penalty I've ever seen in F1. Hamilton got a 10 second penalty for missing the apex in at the fastest corner in Silverstone, hitting his competitor and sending him spinning into the wall in Silverstone. Alonso gets a DRIVE THROUGH (converted to 20 seconds) for... slowing down early to get a better exit for a corner. Right...
The issue is which you’ve missed is that Alonos made a mistake and he admitted it. He slowed down then accelerated and then lifted to make the corner. That’s the issue. If he didn’t accelerate and had judged the distance and corner , it would have been fine
@@safetycar-onboard it's pretty much proof that he made the mistake then. If he denied it, it wouldn't have been a slam dunk penalty and he and Aston would have appealed in that case
@@tombardsley3081Are you saying all mistakes are infractions that must be penalised? If not then what are you on? The mistake doesn't matter, because it's Russels mistake that caused him to crash.
So he was accused of a "brake check" even though his braking input was so negligible that coming off the throttle had a bigger effect - and they didn't have the evidence to be certain over his intention, but gave him a penalty anyway?
Clearly you don’t know anything about drag or engine braking. Anyway, Alonso was 70kmph slower than his previous lap. Brake checking is a pretty valid accusation.
@@paperplane-db8qf What a strange accusation to make. I didn't say he wasn't slower, or intentionally slower, but as he said, he was slower in order to get a better exit out of the corner. Russell went off because of dirty air, not from having to avoid Alonso.
@@Ruylopez778 did you even read the report or watch the video. he slowed 100m earlier than any other lap in the race, then reaccelerated, then began breaking again for the actual corner so yes a completely valid accusation. the accusation to which he has been penalised by the stewards.
So.....a pro driver at the 'pinnacle' of the sport failing to react appropriately to an 'age old' tactic is the practitioner of that tactic's fault....according to the scrutineers......brilliant. 😶
"Failing to react appropriately" while driving a car on the edge is a naive way to judge the accident. He isn't driving a car that's on rails, anyone with two eyes can see that the Mercedes is very unstable at the rear. A brake check during a high-speed turn with a car that's on ice is an accident waiting to happen.
@@matthewledford7209 Why should anyone other than merc sorry what that particular car, can or not handle? Jfc Russell failed to see what was going on and binned it. Simple
@@user-pi9bh8yw9y The car being unstable is mitigating circumstances for him crashing, the main point is when a driver is driving on edge, an unexpected/unwarranted lift during a high speed corner while the other driver is close by is dangerous.
“Pinnacle of Motorsport” and THIS gets a friggin penalty; okay so we’re done with ‘defensive/strategic’ driving? Not Fernando’s fault that a young’n couldn’t deal.
Absolutely. Sh!t, they analyse this but there are plenty of instances where a driver will change their line or approach to fend off/displace another driver, but nothing is said of it. Example. How many times have we seen a driver go for the inside on the approach to a corner but then on the exit deliberately 'holds' the corner and slows up the other driver. Is this not in breach of the very regulations Alonso got stung for? Plenty of other examples as well. Sh!t, Russell had how many laps to overtake Alonso yet he could get past. I believe there are other examples like this where Russell has found himself in the same situation with the same out come.
It wasn't a distant, after-race penalty. It happened during the last lap and was imposed ASAP. The confusion was why Alonso was 8th in the final standings when he finished 6th and now we know why.
@@busher69 So you don't play or watch video games, just listen about them? What about a movie? Same deal? Digital cameras run on metal oxide semiconductor technology. I would suggest you switch to reading the paper, but even newspapers run on technology. Even listening requires technology. I bet you rarely wake up in the morning without the assistance of technology. You might as well sit down and watch technology happen.
Keep going FIA, keep going... They should put speed limits and traffic ligths in order to be more secure, like we have in an average downtown. They penalized Alonso because Russell didn't keep the car in track, just that.
I hate the ever increasing rules that are spoiling our sport, but brake checking is not acceptable, if you don’t understand that then you don’t understand motorsport.
We are living in 21st century. They just need to put a filter on the data to pickup extra-ordinary data. Can be done by a simple excel guy in 2 mins if they have the data.
Alonso took Russell to school, and now the Stewards are basically stating that drivers need to drive according to what their telemetry was reading out for the entire race. He was defending the position plain and simple.
Let me quote 33.4 of the sporting regulations: ‘At no time may a car be driven unnecessarily slowly, erratically or in a manner which could be deemed potentially dangerous […]’ Did he drive unnecessarily slowly? Certainly! Was it erratic? Slowing and speeding up on a straight sounds pretty erratic to me. COULD it be deemed potentially dangerous? Many people feel that way => slam dunk penalty.
"He was deffending position" right before a turn, without forcing any contact whatsoever. I don't gnow if, in deed, can get more plain and simple than that.
@DerSim688 The Stewards flat out said they took the decision, not bearing the accident in mind , implying that if the accident hadn't happened, this would be a non-issue. On this basis, Checo had no business backing up Lewis in Abu Dabi, given the "magnitude " of the race.
@@reslllence A break check forces the driver behind to avoid contact, which is not the case. Also, Alonso is not the "inventor" of this, not even close. With all that said, the penalty is acceptable. The 20s... way too much, seeing similar cases in the near past. You force a driver into the wall, you get 5s. You downshift BEFORE a turn, 20s... I don't see the consistency here
Sorry but you're wrong on this one guys, Alonso was penalised for taking a corner differently, George didn't react to that well and lost control of his car. The stewards clearly punished the consequences rather than the action, which if George didn't crash wouldn't have even been talked about.
@@jimenezgd9916 So you're saying if a driver takes a corner differently to get a better exit etc. they should be penalised for that too as it's also doing something wrong? Ridiculous.
@@tomevans9512 not differently when you lifted, braked, downshifted back in throttle, up shifted and then you brake again, downshift before taking the corner. Go watch the telemetry and tell me if he didn’t do something wrong. Now, the penalty too harsh,but he was erratic and that is a fact.
@@jimenezgd9916 So you want the FIA to monitor every drivers telemetry at every corner, decide if they've been "erratic", very objective measurement there, and issue a penalty?
@@tomevans9512 telemetry is for you to educate yourself. So next time you don’t say “corner differently to get a better exit” braking hitting gas, braking and hitting gas before a corner will never give you better exit.
Could you please analyze several of Russell's laps going into that segment? He might have been approaching the corner much faster than usual as he was getting ready for an overtake
Exactly. Basically we need to see Russells speed at corner entry for the 5 laps previous for that same corner. Im convinced he took it a good few mph quicker and thats why he lost the car
so a man cannot make a mistake? he's still human, and at the end of a race. Russel is the one that wasn't able to keep it because he wasn't ready to react
If a British driver did the exact same thing to Russell then The Race would simply call it a “cheeky little move that made George lose his sixes and sevens”
"A moment of madness" Really?? I Highly doubt that his botched attempt at a recing maneuver could be considered madness. Calling it madness seems to be very unfair and uncalled for. When you look at the incident from an unbiased perspective I do not beleive a reasonable person would call it "madness".
Did you see what happened in F3 with the driver swerving at and hitting another driver? THAT was a moment of madness and it went unpunished! What a joke
This is possibly as absurd as claiming Alonso milimetrically calculated the exact instance to back Hamilton up in Hungary 2007 so that he didn’t have enough time to restart another lap by less than a second. Guy might have a high IQ but he is not a god 😂
TITLE SHOULD BE: "The ALLEGED "evidence" that damned Alonso in Russell’s Australian GP crash" ... This video report has now 19K Dislikes vs 12K Likes ... go figure!
Go figure how many crybabies hate mercedes even when they no longer have success. And F1 Fans haveing small brains isnt new. + Disliking the presented evidence and reasoning isnt something you should dislike in the first place, unless you indeed have a small brain, because the video simply gave you the reasoning given by the stewards which you were clearly searching for. So the video gave you exactly what you looked for, yet you were angry with the stewards and what next? You think the stewards will get the message if you dislike this video? xd
@@chipiegg1466Russell had plenty of time to respond, he just didn't want to do what was necessary because it would compromise any chance of overtaking. His own stupidity and lack of talent caused him to crash.
@@chipiegg1466f1 drivers have, on average, a 0.2s reaction time. Half a second is more than double the time it would take to react. I feel that Russell had tunnel vision in the same way he had when he crashed behind Norris last year. He was caught napping.
@@marothegamer36 Russel didn't lose the control of his car because of alonso, he had plenty of room to see he needed to slow down more because Alonso was slowing down earlier, but that's his mistake, it should en here.
it is interesting that Hamilton got 10s penalty for taking Max out from race (they have contact) in Britain 2021, and here Alonso got 20s penalty for impacting Russells crash.
You need to look at the document for the penalty. Penalties have now changed. If the current policies applied to the HAM-VER instance, it'd be the same drive-through penalty (converted to 20-second because the drive-through penalty couldn't be served during the race)
other scenarios: drivers hitting others, resulting in an heavy crash. 5/10 sec this scneario: fernando slows down a bit, big gap to russell, no contact, russell looses it, resulting in a pretty mild crash (in terms of impact). 20 sec
Bro read the document, it literally says the baseline for penalties this year is 10 seconds. They obviously thought the minimum penalty was insufficient, hence the 20 seconds instead. So the penalty is just a reflection of the current rules.
@@ibleminenpeople either can’t read, or process information that is given to them in a concise manner, all they hear and see is that’s not fair blah blah blah, which has absolutely nothing to do with the facts. Honestly is not use trying to talk to people like that, it just passes through the hollow space between their ears….
So they say alonso is allowed to enter the corner differently, but penalty given as he misjudged it. But then contradict themselves that as it was intentional that is aggravating circumstances to give a harsher penalty than the baseline 10sec penalty. Totally hypocritical and ridiculous application of the rulebook. It’s a racing incident. Alonso misjudged his entry, Russel misjudged his closing speed to alonso and missed his turn in and braking point and that’s it. Racing incident. If this is dangerous driving then why no penalties for Verstappen in Brazil 2021, or probably a whole book full of incidents of pushing off track, weaving, moving under brakes that never get penalised.
Indeed if this is a penalty that harsh I don't' think Max has ever driven a clean overtake or defence in his life. Apply this style of stewarding and he would probably by now have so many penalty points as to be banned from driving for so many races that he would probably still be banned with how many points he'd have racked up in some of those epic multi lap battles (that where not always geniune penalty free, but still)... Max doesn't have to do anything on track very often these days, but the way he was driving when he actually had a rival or two makes this so laughable to penalise so harshly... If Alonso screwed up enough to cause contact or even force Russel to do anything to avoid him a penalty is fair enough, the usual slap on the wrist small penalty most likely with how far back Russel was - even with contact it would have still been partially his fault. But here Russel lost the car on his own, being spooked by Alonso choosing to take a different approach the corner... Something he should entirely expect, especially given that was a race for position with no tactical reason to let the other car through and drive your own race...
if you make a mistake that causes an incident you are still penalised, do you think because bottas didnt mean to take 6 cars out at the start of hungary 2021 he shouldnt be penalised?
These drivers judge their entry speed to within a couple of meters, no way Alonso could misjudge it by 100meters by accident, do you really not understand that.
You know what’s funny? They can analyze all of this and give Alonso a penalty (despite him just racing and keeping George honest), but they can’t give Norris a penalty for a jump start everyone saw
The distance between Russell and Alonso when he lifts "early" is way significant for Russell to realize he cannot approach the corner at maximum speed. He misjudged the situation, like he did already more than once
@@andreigeorgesco yes, but that doesn't mean he had only 0.5 sec to react. That would have happened if Alonso suddenly became stationary. Look at Russell's onboard and tick the time when you realise that Alonso is slowing down; In my opinion a racing driver has more than enough time to react to that. The problem is that these cars get very pointy at that spot, we saw many drivers in FP (even Alonso in qualy) go through the gravel there
If Hamilton was in front of Russel in that moment, this wouldnt even be a thing, it would just be a Russel crashed and thats it situation. I feel bad Alonso suffered from such an injustice
As per F1 convention, if drivers are from the same team, then the team deals with it. But you want to make it a nationality point, so if it were Norris in Alonso car I a sure there would still been a penalty.
Even if it is intentional the outcome is essentially the same as someone misjudging their breaking point. If drivers actually would get penalized for their actions and not their outcome this decision would result in a ridiculus 20s penalty each time a driver misses their breaking point.
In the previous race another driver was doing this on EVERY corner for 30+ laps and was highly praised for his driving. It is tactical driving and is very common. It seems odd that Alonso was given a penalty for simply trying to get the best out of his car. I have been watching F1 for over 50 years but it is turning into a kindergarten.
What? Even on ovals in nascar there are multiple lines you can take through the corner. The ideal line can change through the race as your car changes and the track temp changes.
@@f.b.i2644 Exactly, and there is normally more sliding and tire degradation. Just watch their latest race at COTA to see a lack of consistency in laps lol.
Russel does have a history of misjudgments, two years of Imola, last year Singapore a few here and there. Rightfully as pointed out by Alonso that he has been racing with legends of the sport especially Goat Michael Schumacher, frighteningly quick Kimi, since 2007 with Lewis and since 2009 Sebastian Vettel. He always defended hard with a few tricks here and there which are the part of his art of defence. Lately Lewis complained the same about Alonso yet did not crash into disintegration like Russel did. Hence, I think it was more of a misjudgment from Russel's part than that of Alonso brake testing.
This is a ridiculous penalty. Slowing down in a corner to prevent another car from getting a good exit is a legitimate move in racing. IMO it was brilliant defensive driving and tactics. The driver trying to overtake has to pay attention and react to the actions of the driver in front. All this talk of dangerous driving is rubbish. Racing is dangerous, it’s up to the drivers to manage that danger. If the driver in front goes off the racing line and slows down unexpectedly that gives the driver behind an opportunity to capitalize on it and overtake. Russel didn’t see it coming, got caught in the dirty air and that’s his problem. If Alonso randomly brake checked Russel on a straight and they had contact, then I understand a penalty. lifting off slightly early going into a corner in order to make more dirty air for the driver behind preventing him from getting a good exit is a 200iq racing move. It should have been praised and would have been if it hadn’t been so effective that it made Russel crash.
issue here is probably in Alonso not really braking - driver behind can see if someone in front is braking but when you take foot from gas pedal and downshift its not visible and can cause accident because out of sudden cars get much closer then driver behind can anticipate and might have no way to compensate for that in speeds they are driving at which happened here..
@xalron actually they do. The red blinking light at the back. Whenever they let go of the throttle or brake, it starts blinking to notify drivers at the back.
Nonsense, the operative word is "defending" his position. I'm not even an Alonso fan. The responsibility of the attacking driver is to pass without crashing. Of course you're not gonna drive the corner the same way when you are defending. Even in real life the judge, police and insurance companies say if you run into the back of someone, it's your fault. F1 drivers with DRS era have gotten used to easy passes. Red Mist? It's was good hard racing, probably best battle of the race.
Don't forget all the strategic overtaking where when anyone in one of the top teams gets near another driver the engineer is on the radio saying "let him by, this isn't our race". Between DRS, blue flags, team orders, customer teams pulling over and strategy calls, young drivers in the top teams probably make 1 or 2 proper overtakes all season.
Lets put this in context... He lifts 100m before when he does over 225kph to travel 100m would take him like slightly over 1s so coming off the throttle at 1s earlier is nothing in terms of time is not anywhere near as daunting as this over emphasized 100m remark you making about distance when the argument is coming about reaction times.
Because that was actually smart driving. Alonso messed up. Did Magnussen brake-accelerate-brake into corners? Or did he just take his sweet time exiting corners that had no overtaking opportunity? Magnussen did what Alonso wanted to do, difference is he did it perfectly whereas Alonso messed it up.
K but what about Lewis lifting at eau rouge when Seb was catching up to him? That was regarded as a brilliant move by Lewis. He knew it would ruin Seb’s momentum up the hill. This is exactly what Alonso did today.
Yeah Alonso misjudged the corner and lost a bit of time because of it, but he wasn't the one who made a mistake, Russell was the one that couldn't comprehend a car moving slightly different than he imagined it was going to, and therefore lost the car. Alonso didn't make Russell crash. Russell did it himself.
That acceleration and then deceleration caused Russell to crash. It was a dangerous manoeuvre. If Alonso didn’t have to accelerate again it would have been fine
i completely disagree with you guys, i think penalizing alonso is very dumb and very inconsistent to past examples, just look back a single race, kevin magnussen did this for half the race, to almost half the grid, penalizing alonso but not kmag is absolutely farcical and moronic, it feels to me the only reason they decided to penalize alonso is because of the consequences, not the action, which last time i checked, was exactly what FIA was going to crack down on, along with the previously mentioned inconsistencies, actual joke.
I`m not watching F1 to see some gentlemen inviting each other to enter the mansion i`m watching F1 to see fast driving at the edge of danger. These nonsense rules are damaging the whole sport.
They are, at least we think they are, the best drivers in the world. They should handle that and even more. If we keep lowering the standard, everyone could drive a F1 car and that is not a race
@@chipped who was hurt? beside british f1 fans ego? Old bastard destroyed this mediocre boy, end of story, we want to see the battle, and motorsport on the highest level
Hardly ever see a video with such a bad upvote to downvote ratio, since the 'removal' of the dislike button. If my addon is right, it's 11k up to 14k down.
@@_Ben4810nah just a grumpy old British driver who couldn't do shit in the sports when Alonso is still going strong. Alonso was right back then when he said there's a reason why Herbert had to leave the sport to be a commentator while he is still driving
I remember when hamilton and max verstappen had a crash and max slammed in the barrier with 51g, but hamilton got only a 10-second time and handed two penalty points.. but braking earlier is 20 seconds and three points? that's insane lmao.. FIA needs to get their shit together
J Herbert, an ex (failed) F1 british driver hates Alonso. Herbert was one of the 3 stewards in Australia. He also works for Sky and is obviously a big Ham/Russell/Merc fan...
@@roberthak3695 He got dropped from Sky actually, but yeah he's had run ins with Alonso in the past and years ago said he should retire because he wasn't committed enough. For sure an absolute clown of a pundit, no wonder he got dropped.
Let me quote 33.4 of the sporting regulations: ‘At no time may a car be driven unnecessarily slowly, erratically or in a manner which could be deemed potentially dangerous […]’ Did he drive unnecessarily slowly? Certainly! Was it erratic? Slowing and speeding up on a straight sounds pretty erratic to me. COULD it be deemed potentially dangerous? Many people feel that way => slam dunk penalty.
100 percent. Today, any type of defending is seen as bad, yet people complain that they want closer racing. They really want people following the racing line like robots every lap and then cruising past on the straights using DRS? Pushing somebody into the wall or turning into them is dangerous driving, sure, but changing your braking point when somebody is half a second behind gets a penalty now? Seems a bit excessive. I know a lot of modern F1 is follow the leader, but sometimes an actual race breaks out, lol. As a fan from the the days of watching Prost, Senna, and Mansell duel as a kid, I still love it all, but it's way too much emphasis on the show and not enough emphasis on the sport and competition these days. While I'm ranting, fewer regulations, smaller, lighter (but equally safe) cars, and v10's/12's would really bring F1 back. There are so many talented drivers held back from showing their actual race craft by the current regs and the DRS trains.
I’m glad y’all posted this video, event thing you said, every point you made, every bit of data you showed, alll proves without a doubt that Alonso did absolutely nothing wrong and was only penalized because Russell crashed and was told by his team to blame Alonso for it. Strange how right after the crash Russell admitted it was his fault and that Alonso did nothing wrong but it was only after he talked with his team then went to the media pen that he started blaming Alonso 😂😂😂 almost as pathetic as football players faking injuries 😂😂😂😂
Russel's telemetry is missing from this analysis. Beacuse if, I dunno, it turned out that he actually braked LATER than usual, carrying more speed into the corner, than all this discussion goes out of the window, doesn't it?
"Unquestionably dangerous" for being a tiny bit slower which is something that happens every time a driver makes the tiniest mistake... The truth as far as the external camera and timing show is that Alonso's actions had nothing to do with Russel screwing up that is all on Russel's reaction to a relatively minor mistake - something we see so many times without penalty. As when one driver makes a small mistake it is frequently the cause for the other to do the same even when they have no need to... No penalties ever get applied for that as 'being slightly distracting' when you make an error isn't cause for it... Also clearly has nothing to do with overly aggressive defensive driving - Russel is close and closing but not THAT close. If Russel didn't screw up nobody would have even commented on that slightly odd line Alonso took, beyond Russel/Alonso lamenting in the post race conference the place they lost or opportunity they missed afterwards.
He needed to accelerate again to reach the corner, he braked that far from his normal braking point. The FIA stated this was the issue. We can't be braking mid-way down a straight my dude, it's going to kill people.
@@ColinVIPthe level of slowdown to then re accelerate is so trivial it really doesn't count its not slam the brakes on, slow as fast as possible to then pull away as fast possible, its a very very gradual slowdown with a small increase in speed as he overshoots - Alonso in effect lifted and coasted a tiny bit too early, something many drivers have done many times, which heaps of space to the other cars around him, and in the process of being that tiny bit slower on a different route plan for the corner than normal Russel screwed up. That sort of 100 meter early lift and coast is a normal part of F1, with Alonso on the Brakes 'too lightly' to matter according to the stewards - the tiniest of mistakes no different to going the tiniest bit too fast and deep into a corner. You make contact in the process of making the mistake a penalty may be fair enough, but when all you do is make a small error that the driver behind blames for their subequent misjudgement...
It's really curious how these penalties have absolutely no criteria. Verstappen brake test on Hamilton on Saudi Arabia (2021) resulted in a 10 second penalty. Alonso's penalty was outrageous.
I don't get it by the stewarts logic shouldn't Yuki dive bomb on Riccardo last race also be punishable? It was on cooldown his teamate didn't expect it and could have resulted in a crash.
Yes and No The 20 seconds was because it was classed as a drive through penalty (which they have been able to use but not bother to since they brought in five seconds). As it was after the race, this was turned into a time penalty (20 seconds being the estimated time it would take to serve the penalty normally) The three points definitely seems harsh on top of that and unusually high, which is why more and more people are being extremely sceptical of why these two penalties were given on the day Johnny Herberrt, a known Mercedes supporter, was in on the decision.
@@MrSniperfox29 I get what you're saying and I understand. When was the last time a driver took a drive through penalty and 3 license points without making contact with anyone? Edit: more typos
